Who is the Best Registrar? (take 2)
cardozo asks: "Since my registrar recently did a bad customer service job with me, and their site wasn't all that easy to use, I'm in the market for a new registrar. Slashdot has responded to this question in the distant past, but the world has changed since Feb 2000!. Price is important, but customer service is too. Features are less important to me, but I can imagine that having email forwarding, etc. would be nice. So who do you think is the best registrar?"
Easy to use, a 24x7 support line that actual has a real person on it, and the best part $8.95/yr.
easydns is hands-down the best one I've used (except for the "old days" then netsol was the only game in town for \.[com|org|net]).
as the name implies, they do DNS as well.
absolutely awesome support. extremely functional web admin. never-fail uptime.
some perks for the whole shebang (reg + dns) include them being a backup MX host, more mail goodies (if you need them to do some forwarding) and DDNS support.
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Mind the gap...
Cheap ($12), free customized DNS, free forwarders, etc. I like it because it's French, and knowing how they hate Americans (I'm American), and are subsequently less likely to respond favorably to legal action, I feel my domains are safer there.
I have been using Gandi for several years and been very happy with their service.
They offer domain registration in .com/.org/.net/.biz/.info/.name/.be for EUR12 a year (about $14 dollars, lately). That includes optional free web redirection, email redirection, DNS hosting, and secondary DNS. Almost all administration is automated on their website and very easy to use. I have zero complaints and nothing but compliments for them, and have been recommending them to friends for low-cost, high-quality domain registration.
From their site:
-XDG
No, I don't particularly like them. Partly, I use them because they're the devil I know. Partly, I use them because of the frequent flyer miles for transfering domains or renewing for 5 years. And in case no one has looked, it's only $35 per year for a single registration, $19 per year for 5 years or a transfer and I've got a link somewhere for $17 per year regardless. Hey, when you handle DNS and registration for a chunk of people, the frequent flyer miles add up. It's 1000 miles per transfer or 5 year renewal.
I don't know what kind of extra services they offer; I've never needed any.
Dotster...It's $14.95 a year (discounts if you do more than one year), and they've done a fine job for me.
My experience with blow-daddy has been crappy at best. About a year ago, I had several accounts with them and needed to get the domains transferred (.com mostly, but a couple of .org). It took the better part of ten days and a phone call and/or an e-mail just about every day to finally make it happen.
I have had good luck with enom.com. I've only needed to contact them twice, and both times they admitted that they had a problem and quickly fixed it.
Let's say I have a static IP address and a server running Apache and Pegasus mail (SMTP server). I don't have ANYTHING registered yet with anyone.
Now, assuming I can keep my IP static, or nearly so, what do I need at a minimum to route all http requests for "www.gtracer.com" to my IP, and to route all emails for "someuser@gtracer.com" to the same IP address?
I've never been able to get a good solid answer from the tech guy I worked with (very small company) and the different services (godaddy etc. don't explain it in a way I understand enough to commit $$$ to). TIA!
GTRacer
- Not my real domain name
Defending IP by destroying access to it? That makes sense, RIAA/MPAA. Go to the corner until you can play nice!
I have been very pleased with register.com. They are a real company, established and based in New York. Not some fly by night registar.
They provide a full array to tools, ex: DNS, MX, all that you need for free.
They seem fine to me. Send me email reminders at 90/60/30 days that the registration is about to expire. Have had no other communication (in or out) with them.
000domains.com
- $15 for 1 year (this may be a little expensive these days)
- Web control panel for DNS, email forwarding, page ghosting, everything
I've been using them for a couple years now, 0 problems, they even have decent support.
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What about Verisign!?
Now where would we be without their 'innovation', 'service', and 'helpful tool to navigate the web' ?
RegisterFly currently charges $6 per year for .us and .biz, while .com, .net, .org are $10 per year.
Oh, and if you transfer a domain from another registrar to them (like I did from 000domains), they charge $8 for the transfer, but kick in another year.
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Best for international - godaddy.com
Worst for international - icann.totalnic.net
Best for UK - easily.co.uk
Totalnic lock all your domains so you have to write to Australia (snail mail!) to request them to be unlocked before transferring them away.
Godaddy will not charge you if a transfer to them is unsuccessful (e.g. when I tried to transfer from Totalnic to Godaddy and found that my domains were locked!).
Easily makes it pretty easy to deal with co.uk domains - not all the crappy paperwork of Nominet.
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I can't recommend Gandi.net enough. About $12/year for a domain and their service is top notch.
Prevent email address forgery. Publish SPF records for y
It's verisign!
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Anyone using Joker DNS for their servers? I'd like to try it, but I have something that works and I'm a little hesitant to change things.
"Eve of Destruction", it's not just for old hippies anymore...
I use BulkRegister and like it a lot. It's very easy to manage domains for a lot of people with it since you can just 'play registrar' with them and change any info you need without complication. They also have some nice tools for managing a lot of domains at the same time.
I get my domains/webspace from HOH Ltd.
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They have several packages to choose from (prices listed are in GBP, but you can pay internationally with PayPal), and the support is always friendly and personal.
Depending on the package you get, you can have mail forwarding or a POP3 box. And if you want the webspace, there's ASP/PHP and Access-ODBC/MySQL (again, depending on how much you want to pay!)
DISCLAIMER: I started using HOH when they employed me for some part-time web development. I'm still a satisfied customer, and I don't make any money from referrals.
I've used them in the past. Never had any problems.
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge"
- Charles Darwin
www.powerpipe.com
$7.99
easy interface... bulk registering..
bulk changing... Good stuff.
WTF? Feb 2000 the distant past? Son, in my day when you registered your name you also got a number. And if your number came up the guberment paid you to see the world.
I use godaddy, directnic, and stargateinc for registering several sites. godaddy has the cheapest rates by far, so that is where I will eventually transfer all of my domains. I do my own hosting and dns, so there's no worry about ip addresses. .us domain name doesn't hurt, either.
When I first got on the web, I hosted some sites on directnic, and they SUCKED. They inserted ads into my pages, very poorly done too, so I couldn't validate my pages. When I decided to switch to my own hosting, the bastards removed my whole site instantly with no warning - they didn't even give me two days for the dns changes to propagate, so I was off the net for a while.
Another "feature" of go-daddy is their willingness to play rough. They were one of the first to sue verisign for their site-finder "service", and I seem to remember them suing some other losers trying to ruin the internet. I don't know their motives, but they chose the right side, and that counts for something. $5 for a
I'm a big fan of Dotster. They are $14.95/year and have a nice web interface that works well with multiple domains. I know they are not the cheapest anymore, but I've never had a problem with them and I'm not going to change to try and save $7/year.
Also to I like that they are very active trying to keep Verisign and ICANN in line. They also are good about putting out warnings about domain scammers like "Domain Registry of America" and there likes.
[End of diatribe. We now return you to your regularly scheduled programming...] - Larry Wall in Configure from the perl
Oh, and if you transfer a domain from another registrar to them (like I did from 000domains), they charge $8 for the transfer, but kick in another year
Hmmm...unless they added *2* years to the previous expiration date, then they weren't doing anything special.
*Whenever* you transfer a domain name to another registrar, the expiration date is automatically extended by another year. So basically you're getting a $2 incentive to transfer to them from another registrar. The added year is actually a requirement.
For those of you who are interested in RegisterFly but don't want to line the pockets of some anonymous coward, you can access RegisterFly here. I wouldn't recommend it, though, as it seems people have had problems, especially with their hosting.
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All prices excluding VAT, 1 euro ~= 1.17 USD
Disclaimer: I'm an happy paying customer and switched all my email and DNS to OVH a month ago. No other relationship with OVH or OVH people.
Disclaimer 2: already posted in another /. discussion about webmail.
Laurent
Redirection.net
.nu, and can't recommend them anymore
about $15/year with email fowarding, subdomains, etc. I've only used customer service via email, and got responses in 2 to 8 hours
I used to use
I've used them for years with no hassle. But they have a don't-screw-the-customer policy I like. The first thing in their contract is: The Client owns the Domain Name registered. That's a big difference from other places, like NetSol, who don't view names as property and feel like they can keep it (and auction it off to the highest bidder) should you ever quit hosting the name with them.
Also, when I joined, Gandi was a not-for-profit service... I can't find that on their webpage now, but that's the spirit they operate under.
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I've been using Dotster for 3 years now without a single problem. It's cheap ($15/yr or $130/10 yr). Transfers, DNS changes, etc. - not a problem at all.
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You can't do this. Not without hooking up with someone outside of your ISP to provide your DNS for you. In order to set up a DNS server, the owner-of-the-reverse-DNS address (i.e., blahblahblah.yourISP.com) would have to tag the name blahblahblah.yourISP.com as a HOST. 99% of the time, this also means that said address is static and will not change. You can not register a primary NS for your domain onto a machine that is not a valid HOST. What you _can_ do is hook up with someone who is not part of your ISP, and get them to run DNS services for you. From that point, you can point www.gtracer.com to the IP address you're on, and things will work fine. I do this with the IP address of my home machine, inside of my co-hosted servers, so it always has the same name. I just have to peek once in a while to see if the IP address changed.
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The cheapest ICANN accredited registrar is Names4Ever.com, at $7.95 per year. They also provide some pretty good features, though you kinda have to dig around their site.
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I would agree that Directnic's free web hosting stinks, but what to you expect for FREE??
Their domain management tools are SUPERB. You have complete control via a web interface, they do mail aliases and small lists, and will even do pop mailboxes if you feel like it. Don't know about the bulk stuff, never done it.
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I'm a fan of Dotster. I've been using them as a registrar and domain server for years and I have no complaints. At $15/year, it's pretty reasonably priced. They seem to be under pretty constant renovations in a good way, updating services and their interface as time goes on. (Unlike some companies that grow stagnant.)
"I'll say it again for the logic-impaired." -- Larry Wall.
Try pairnic. They're part of Pair, one of the best web hosts around.
Pairnic is not the cheapest (for 1 year registrations anyway) but they're worth it, especially if you ever need support. They'll be there...
I'm seeing more and more registrars sell a service that lets you "camp" for a domain. Basically, if a domain name you want becomes available, the registrar will immediately buy it for you.
I find this distasteful because it makes it very easy to hold a domain hostage because someone forgot to make a payment.
I have a friend who homeschools. A few years ago, a very popular homeschooling site forgot to reregister, and a pr0n outfit snatched (heh) it up, instantly gaining a lot of hits and a high google ranking. I have no issue with porn, but I do have an issue with it being slammed in the face of someone who isn't expecting it (goatse.cx, for example). It is unlikely that they gained too many regulars, but they did get a lot of hits in the short term, undoubtedly doing brisk popup business.
I think I'm the best registrar. I signed up with Tucows and only pay $10/year for a domain. Of course, I signed up with them before MyDomain started offering domains for $8.50/year. They handle my email forwarding for free, even though I didn't get a domain from them, but obviously they offer it for those who do get a domain through them as well. I haven't had much downtime at all through their forwarding, and email is robust enough that a little downtime is not that bad. That's who I'd suggest: MyDomain.
I love http://www.reg.ca/.
They are cheap, and it's easy to get in touch with a real, live human being if problems arise.
A few things have happened to make me hate GoDaddy:
I transferred a domain to them and they let it expire, charged my account anyway, and re-registerred it to themselves. This was one of those names that would have been worth thousands in the dot-com era, and they essentially stole it (the domain generates 5,000 hits per day based off of its name alone, and it now points to GoDaddy's domain registration page)
Secondly, this company is local to me, and they interviewed me for a job but then lied to me after the fact about the reason why I wasn't selected. They did this to many of my highly qualified associates as well. Their excuse: I supposedly didn't pass their super-cheezy "IQ" test...which was significantly easier than Mensa's test which I did pass.
My recommendation: BulkRegister
Security is inversely proportional to the commitment of one desiring to circumvent it.
I have been using DNS Central for almost a year now with no problems. I picked them because they are an OpenSRS reseller, they offer a good deal on web/e-mail forwarding, they have optional DNS service, and they were able to transfer .biz and .info names.
The two times I needed support help during the set-up, I got very quick responses via e-mail and phone.
Where would we be if Wheel had hid her round rock in a cave instead of showing everyone how it rolls?
I've used Names4Ever twice, and they haven't failed me yet (even though I can't really see how a registrar could register a domain in the wrong way). One of the domains propogated worldwide in 12 hours! It was like a new propogation record. Or something.
I've been using Namesecure for years, since back when they were a decent company. Originally they were part of 555-1212.com back when you could do reverse phone lookups there for free.
You could call Namesecure up on the phone and talk to an actual tech person who would fix things on the spot. Now, the only way to reach them is by fax or email -- they have painstakingly removed every telephone contact.
Back in the day, I had some custom configuration done on my mail routing. Now I can't receive email from Namesecure any more. I can receive email from anybody in the world, as long as it's not sent from a Namesecure internal mailserver. They swear there's nothing unusual about my domain, but they can't explain why their mail doesn't come through. This makes tech support rather difficult, especially if I forget to patch up the "Reply-To" header...
Having said all that, though, the Namesecure product is pretty good. Easy signup, easy administration of email and website forwarding, A, CNAME, and MX, and so on. Their support is absolutely the suck, but they're pretty stable so I hardly ever need the support anyway.
The outgoing message on their one remaining phone line (which does not record) says they've turned off live tech support "to remain competitive". They charge from $9.90 to $15/year depending on term; I'd gladly pay double those prices if they'd just turn the &*$&^$ phones back on!
I switched a couple domains to Register.com a while back, but Register.com framed my website (breaking it) and put a big ol' banner ad underneath it, which they'd gladly remove if I paid extra. Register.com wanted twice what Namesecure did for their basic service, and many of the standard services from Namesecure were upgrades at Register.com so the actual price ended up being even more. But they had tech support: Live people answering the phone, people who actually knew things, so that's why I went there. However, Register.com couldn't do the type of email forwarding I'd been getting at Namesecure so I ended up switching back and crossing my fingers.
Having my domains set up at Namesecure did save my ass when I got screwed by an ISP -- I switched to a different provider, updated my zone file at Namesecure, and was back on the air immediately. I didn't have to try and wrestle my domain away from the previous ISP. (OTOH, if I have a Problem with Namesecure I'll have to wrestle my domains away from them.)
So, here's my vote for Best Registrar: Namesecure doubles their pricing across the board and uses the extra money to hook up with Register.com's helpdesk.
Caveat: Namesecure appears to be owned by Verisign / Network Solutions (at least that's who owns their site certificate) so they are probably part of the Axis of Evil. This would explain the tech support.
Easy to use, and support is the best.
I agree. Only have 5 domains but they run smooth, free email forwarding and web forwarding and free DNS for $15/year.
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I've used them for a while now (over 200 domains), and I've never had a problem. On the few occassions that another registrar has given me hell over transferring a domain, GoDaddy's customer support was top-notch.
I highly recommend them.
I've been using NameCheap for quite some time and I'm very happy with them.
Nice clean interface, free dns, dns changes are reflected immediately, and their support is pretty decent. They use perldesk or something for support which I've found works well since they are quite responsive.
And to top it off.. they're cheap! $8.88
I've used joker.com in the past, and they're okay and cheap...but really really difficult if to deal with if you're in North America and need to talk to a real person, or need to send them a letter since they're in germany.
Ive been using GoDaddy for all my domains. around $8-$9 a year for single year reg. Easy enough to use interface. Not too much thrills, but I host elsewhere, so that doesnt bother me.
Little heavy on the spam side (~20-30 emails a year for new services)
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It /was/ set to auto-renew. They /charged/ me the auto-renew fee. But then they let it expire anyway, and parked it at their site, claiming it was "deleted" and they could do nothing about it for another year. Whois shows GoDaddy as the owner of the domain name, and the domain points to their servers, advertising their website.
Security is inversely proportional to the commitment of one desiring to circumvent it.
I have worked with godaddy.com for 2 years and am quite happy. The prices are unbeatable and the admin is quite decent. Transfers are easy.
However, there's a little bit of wierdness from the NetSol side: I xferred the domain a week ago, and as far as Gandi is concerned, the deal is done. Running $whois omar.org returns a referral to Gandi. Yet NetSol sent me an email today saying the domain could not be transferred because one of the contacts did not respond. WTF? I responded to NetSol's email, but NetSol does not answer email anymore. I declined to use their Web form, choosing instead to assume everything's alright. Anyone else have any experiences like this? I'm trying to decide if I should worry or not!
I took the time to research this a couple years ago, and Gandi looked good so I tried 'em. Cheap, best contract, and everything worked fine. Since then, I have infected others, and caused the company where I work, to switch from Verisign to Gandi.
As copyright owner of this comment, I authorize everyone to defeat any technological measure which limits access to it.
I just checked their site, because I've been thinking of moving to GoDaddy from the (expensive) Register.com, and they've added DNS control as well as some other stuff that I don't care about.
And they didn't raise their prices.
Just FYI.
Please don't feed the mobiles.
For a long time Dotster was the only company about which I could honestly say I'd never, ever had anything resembling a problem. I used Dotster for years, but am now in the process of migrating away from them. (Every time I find a place I like, it goes down the tubes sooner or later... Why don't the few good companies out there ever STAY good??)
I used to love Dotster's account management interface, and their support staff was not only competent but even had a sense of humor! Sadly, things have gone downhill lately - they now spam me endlessly with renewal notices (even when I've turned off every notification preference I can find) and THREATEN that if I fail to renew a domain, they'll hold onto it for at least 6 weeks and charge me $99 (over and above the annual fee) if I decide to renew during this "redemption period"... IMO that's just absurd! I've asked about the rationale behind this policy, but got no reply.
They're no longer the best in service; the feature set of their management tools is no longer best-of-breed; and they never were the cheapest out there, so it's time to switch.
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I don't think I've seen anyone post this yet or not, but ICANN maintains a list of all accredited registars. You may be surprised how many there are. It also lists which TLDs each one can register for you.
Naturally, some are probably much better than others. I'd recommend godaddy.com, gandi.net, or joker.com.
Additionally, if do not want your contact information to be public, you can use DomainsByProxy.com. You register through a registrar that's one of DBP's affiliates and pay an extra $15/year or so and they act as a proxy for the domain contact. They list their postal and email addresses for your domain, and forward you anything that is sent, optionally filtering for spam. You still own the domain name, and the default if anything comes up (i.e. they suspect you of spamming or something) is that the registration information reverts to your own true contact information... So it's kind of "fail-safe" in that respect.
https://domains.ev1servers.net/cgi-bin/manage.cgi
I have never used them, as I am quite satisfied with GoDaddy; however, ev1servers has the lowest price I have ever seen (5.00). I have had great experiences with ev1servers tech support for their rack, and I would assume their domain support would be the same.
Good luck with whoever you choose.
I'm happy with cheapest-domains.com
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Been using them for ~2 years, ~5 domains. $10.95/yr.
IMO registrar's should just register the damn domain and do it cheap
For mailfowarding, nameservers, etc.,
I like zoneedit.com's price (free for up to 10 I think) and user interface so they run my nameservers and I can easily edit the config online there, do mail forwarding, etc.
We've been pretty pleased with OmegaSphere.
:)
They do domain name registration for $10.95/year, and that includes free email forwarding, DNS, URL forwarding, and a few other things.
We also used them to buy an SSL certificate -- they offer them for $49/year (I think its a bit cheaper if you buy them multiple years at a time, not sure). The certificates work just as well as the ones costing 10-20 times the amount (VeriSign, Thawte, etc.).
We had slight problem installing the SSL certificate, but it turned out to have just been a typo in our Apache config file. They had us send them our config file, and they spoted the mistake for us. Very fast support replies too.
And no, I'm not getting paid for this...
I registered one of my Australian domain names through Namescout.com(.au). The products they try and divert you into on the way is off-putting but the management interface is quit good, so I thought to transfer some of my other domains over, as they seemed to be the cheapest in Oz. But in the process of doing so I came across a form that stated charges stated in USD would be converted at their own conversion rate of $1.91 AUD = $1 USD (in small grey text) instead of $1.45 AUD = $1 USD, which was the rate at that particular time. So I emailed them to ask why? Here's the discussion.
On Thu, 2 Oct 2003 13:47:36 +1000 you wrote:
NS Reply My ReplyOn Fri, 3 Oct 2003 13:03:34 +1000 you wrote:
NS ReplyNeedless to say I didn't continue with the transfer. It's a question of being upfront with your charges, and not hide them behind dodgy accounting and poor excuses. It's almost a comedy routine.
But one could still use them to register the new domains cheaply and then transfer to someone else (without hidden costs)
I usually use Domain Maniac. $15/year -- not the cheapest, but the admin tools are easy.
Of course, I used to work for them...
Add me to the list of Gandi users.
I've transferred my 3 domains to them from NetSol based on the recommendations of the survey from 2000.
The fact that I own the domain was the major influence.
Also, for the record, I have never received any mail OR email from Gandi.net until it is time to renew (since 2000)! [So much for the spammers theory.]
The one issue I had was after moving my last domain and NetSol wouldn't release the record, but the domain was transferred. Took about 3 weeks of calls to NetSol to get that straightened out since they didn't want to resolve the issue 'because you are not our customer and need to contact your new registrar.'
I disagree. But then I commit the crime of being an expatriate living in the Philippines. The entire country, and many nearby countries and Hong Kong, have all been redlined by godaddy and web traffic is simply blocked 'due to high levels of credit card fraud'. I tried to negotiate on this: I have registered many domains. I use the same fixed IP address registered to a well known international organization where i work. No luck. I found myself dealing with people incapable of reading English or with any understanding of their own business. They were simply following scripts and hoping for the best. I was advised to login to GoDaddy and do various things to move my domain elsewhere. Excuse me, but this is not possible if web traffic from the entire country is blocked. Of course there are ways around this idiotic policy and every credit card crook worth his salt can use them. Godaddy offers good value but their cross selling attempts border on the hysterical. If you value being able to communicate at any time with an intelligent life form my advice is to go elsewhere.
Joker.com. Been with them for years. Nice place, and cheap.
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Only a couple others have mentioned pairNic .
I just transferred all of my domains from Netsol over here. They are part of <A href="http://www.pair.com">pair.com</A>, who I also use to host my sites.
The transfer was painless, and I like the management interface.
They aren't the cheapest, but the company has been around a while and the support has always been great.
Be quick to listen, slow to speak, and slow to anger.
BulkRegister.com works for me. The have good tools that help you keep track of what domain names you own and buying, selling, and transfering ownership is relatively straightforward with their interface.
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Nuff said. Okay, it's $5 plus taxes, which comes to about $5.41. Cheapest there is out there though. Don't need to be a customer of theirs either. Google for the link yourself.
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With a website, a little bit of work, and a small down-payment against future registrations you can be domain reseller for OpenSRS aka TuCows. No website, you have to pay more. Technically, they are the registrar and you merely resell, but practically there's no difference, you are a registrar.
It's not worth it unless you're going to do 10 or 15 domains, but a few for yourself and a few for your friends and it quickly adds up. You can't beat the price either, unless you're getting registrar service from somebody who's using it as a loss leader to sell other services.
It obviously wouldn't hurt to have a dns server, but it's not an essential requirement as you can always get dns from a web hosting provider.
Duh. Why would the serious geek go anywhere else?
I have been using dorearth.com for several years and an very happy...very good customer service, always easy to reach. I recently set up a domain through verisign, BAD NEWS...awful experience, they screwed it up and made the domain unusable for a good month, when it came up for renewal I needed to change the e-mail address (prior to them letting me do anything with the domain, as it was an old addy in the admin/tech record). The only way to change it was to CALL (not e-mail, not livechat, but call) or FAX MelbourneIT, to whom they had sold the account, on a toll line in Australia. Bad news, since I am in the US. Verisign also kept sending me tricksy e-mails to take actions that would have caused my domains to be transferred to their servers...bad experience overall.
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I have been very pleased with register.com. They are a real company, established and based in New York. Not some fly by night registar.
Cowboy 1: "This company in based in New York City!"
All The Cowboys: "New York City?!!"
Cowboy 2: "Get a rope!"
Announcer: "PaceRegistrar.com is based in San Antonio, where we know how to run a registrar."
The redemption period is an invention of Verisign and applies to all registrars. Verisign is getting most of that $99
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