Obviously for the kind of discussion it would breed, oh ye of such superior intelligence. It's good for page loads etc, and personally I can't see a problem with them posting it. If only political correctness reached the point where all gender discrimination, self-imposed or not, and all race discrimination, self-imposed or not, and all etc discrimination and segregation, self-imposed or not, were banned, then perhaps we could start getting over it. People with your view always end up on the wrong side of history. I'm just saying.
Then the bastards win. Because you're afraid. Fuck all that. This is just another case of the old generation trying to impose its rules and morals and secrets on us. Part of the reason we are smarter than they were is that we have opened all the doors and windows behind which they used to rape their sisters and beat their wives.
In the Army, we can say what the fuck we want, in any forum (including YouTube and Facebook, per DoD orders earlier this year), so long as we don't compromise sensitive information. We all have a pretty good sense of what sensitive information is. Of course it's bad for your career to get yourself on the news or something for something put on Facebook, but you can't get any backlash for it unless you were specifically told not to comment on the matter or were somehow compromising the Army or otherwising bringing disgrace upon the army.
For instance, getting drunk in uniform and making a YouTube video about it is a bad idea, because you're not supposed to drink in uniform. BUT getting drunk out of uniform and making a YouTube video in which you say how much you fucking hate the army -- that's okay. You just can't say you're representing the army.
So, anyway, fuck the army.
State and muni. governments have ALWAYS been held to different standards in this regard, and Federal agencies have always been held to even higher ones. You are an idiot.
If the Fed. had passed a law like this when the Democrats had power, we probably wouldn't have lost it, because all the Republicans seeking re-election would have had to have been honest and cordial. That would have been awesome.
What a good little employee.
Any HR person will tell you that while you're right, it is "reasonable" and "legal," it's bad for morale. People have always needed/found ways to vent about their employers.
Wasn't there a case not long ago where a high school girl's coach forced her to let her login to her MySpace? A "condition of being on the team" or whatever?
It's one thing if the employee has his thing public and lets his bosses onto his profile and all that. It's quite another if they have their things set to private and then demand access to it and then punish for what they find.
It was that or somehow steal Gmail's spam-fighting technology. I've given my Gmail address to thousands of services (maybe) in the past six years, and the only spam I get is voluntary or occasional.
I hope you're being facetious. Sony has its fingers in markets Apple only dreams about and shares a (albeit fairly smaller) part of the ones that Apple does play in. The PS3, some might argue, is better at content delivery than the Apple TV, largely because its more open nature, and I say this with full knowledge of and despite their present war on PS3 hackers.
I agree. And also: it's unlikely that the whole world, or, in our case, even the whole country, is going to be shut down at the same time. So we'd want to get word to a safe zone and then they could use that word to broadcast it back to our friends nearby. An encrypted dial-up connection may seem unfeasible or even unreasonable, but I still think it's a good idea that every freedom-loving geek get his chops up on this shit now. I personally just bought some old parts on eBay and am figuring how to actually set this up (it is much easier than I thought). Regardless of how it's done, we will not be able to rely on things like Facebook to communicate our needs when it comes down to it. For a time, Facebook and services like it will find it much more profitable to co-operate with the government's demands. They could just say "shut down all accounts in this region for this length of time." And what's to say that Facebook won't do it?
Exactly. I think if they were seriously not trying to use this for Big Brother purposes, then the legislation would rather be along the lines of putting measures in place to require co-operation from ISPs in the event that a national emergency was declared -- that is, report any and all foreign traffic, esp. incoming, and things along those lines. It could also require that network security firms give discounted or free, 100% dedicated service to the government during times of national crisis. And things along those lines that would actually aide the national security. Instead what they're really after is the ability to shut down the people's communications in the event of civil unrest--like when the government defaults on its debts in the coming decade and its debtors begin to re-possess leveraged assets. It'll be a sobering day when the Chinese flag flies from the National Monument because Hu happens to own that shit. And of course very few Americans will be happy about that.
I think it's extremely important that we all take notes here. Dial-up may be getting phased out, but keeping one kicking around might not be the worst idea. Probably learning how to set up an actual dial-in connection with ease would be good. Because it can and will happen here when the shit hits the fan, and, being a veteran of war, I can tell you that the best way to demobilize and weaken your enemy is to fuck his communications as hard as you possibly can. Indymedia, while relegated largely to the role of aging dinosaur, has still been on the cutting edge of this sort of thing for several years now. It wouldn't be hard for someone to set up a Twitter-like service akin to Identi.ca and use it as a way to disseminate information on streets to avoid and where certain types of aide are needed and what not, in the event of a national crisis like we're seeing in Egypt.
True. If a state is run by religious fundamentalists, then it cannot be progressive. However, Egypt is one of the more DEMOCRATIC states in the region.
I get annoyed when people spout off about how bad this kind of thing is. The thing hasn't hit the road and I'm sure the last thing Ford or anyone else wants is for people to stop relying on their actual driving skill. Nothing's ever good enough for half the uber-idiot-nerds on these message board, number one, and number two, you guys very often seem to forget all the R&D that goes into things like this. Eventually you have to have 1.0. I mean, shit, at least companies like Ford have the decency to wait until 1.0 -- unlike half the hair brained and half-baked technologies you guys LOVE the shit out of.
Don't get me wrong, I was all in for Mandrake 8.1 too.
What I'm saying is that needless negativity like that displayed by some of the people who scored a fucking 5 (seriously, mod?) on this thread is exactly what's destroying the country as a whole and limiting progress worldwide. "No, no, no, no." And who cares if you can't get behind it, dickwad? Don't buy one! The shit won't be ubiquitous until it's as reliable as air bags or anti-lock brakes (both of which, I might add, heard similar arguments when they first came into the latter developmental stages).
If they did it from their work computer, they are on duty. Period. I don't care if they're acting in capacity or whatever -- if they didn't do it from home, they are to be held liable.
I agree. Let him hang, save the movement. Progress isn't dependent on one man. He deserves a footnote, maybe a big footnote, but little more. It's not like he's ever saved a dying Afghan school girl (I know people who have) or spent years on the picket line. He's in search of star power, and now he has it, so let him hang, get on with the leaks.
Fuck Assange. Figureheads always fail their movements, and if this man doesn't prove that to you, I'm sorry for you. Fuck Assange. Let them have him. Save the organization. Save the movement.
I agree, although I think the bragging is for legal and safety reasons. If the whole organization was murdered before the documents saw the light of day and nobody knew they had the documents, no investigation would ensue, obviously.
I'm definitely more interested in what goes on in countries where these things are NEVER made public (at least we have the FIA in the USA), like North Korea, Burma, China, and so forth--countries that by POLICY murder/jail civilian citizens for dissent on a regular basis. I know all that shit happens in the US, too, that's not the point I'm trying to refute, just that Assange's seemingly boundless hatred toward the US is a bit off-kilter when you've got places like Uganda in the world.
We're bad, sure, we're dirty, yeah, but we're not the worst aggressors against human rights, and the record should reflect that. Now that you've got the world's attention by pissing off the most powerful, start trotting out all the real injustices at an ever-more-alarming rate or risk becoming a blip on the screen.
I don't want WikiLeaks or any other journalism tool to become a blip on the screen. I want more information and more freedom of information.
My prediction is that (as history repeats itself), APPL will reach a pinnacle, Jobs will freak out and scare off all but the loyal base (which has admittedly grown), alienate the best within the company, and bring it to its knees for awhile. I'm saying that you can only bleed a stone so much; Apple needs to have a little more customer appreciation. Eventually Apple users are going to feel used when these up and coming competition products start to really compete. I'm not a believer in "iPhone killers" or any of that mumbo-jumbo. What I'm saying, I guess, is that there comes a point where customer loyalty must be matched by company loyalty-to-customer, and I don't believe that Apple is presently living up to that, and so there are plenty of us ready to jump ship when the right alternative comes along. (For example, it's been over a month since I found anything cheaper on iTunes than I did on Amazon MP3.) I'll trade a few ounces of convenience for 50-80% savings, I'm telling you I will, although I really, really don't want to have to do that. As an example, the whole thing with smoking voiding one's warranty; that's just nonsense and big-brothery bullshit.
I'm surprised that virtually no one (minus a column here and there) has taken on the cult of Jobs in a really comprehensive way. He's losing his mind again, and this Android outlashing is only the most recent. It's not going to get any better, history shows us; how long before they're offering a $15,000 "anniversary iPod" or some such shit?
I don't miss the days of viruses and constant crashing, don't get me wrong. It's just that with as much money as I have tied up in Apple, I feel deeply concerned with the directions the company is heading in as regards ME. I don't look forward to an operating system (Steve Jobs' dream, from 1979 on) wherein Apple approves everything I use.
And what of the OpenOffice Java thing that happened recently? For months, since I updated my Java via Software Update, OpenOffice (and LibreOffice now) has been unable to function properly. All because of one little change that Apple made. Numerous complaints get no traction.
More to the point, what financial reason do the bastards have for this? They want me to buy iWork again, which I refuse to do. Fuck iWork.
Apple is unwittingly fast-approaching a point where they will lose users like myself, people who will eventually get fed up and, the same way we said goodbye to Microsoft, say goodbye to Apple.
This might be true, but presently we're running the risk of losing the Operating System altogether, in favor of some sort of walled-garden thing where you can only buy your software if Apple approves it. This is dangerous for innovation, because it allows Steve Jobs and whatever other assholes to set the parameters by which that innovation can take place. There's also a certain dumbing-down of things taking place, though that is not bad for the vast majority of consumers.
My fear is that in two years my Macbook will no longer function unless I pay for an upgrade, and that I will be forced, by whatever licensing terms I've agreed to over the years, to either switch back to the wild world of IBM-based stuff or buy every little user experience I want. It wouldn't very much surprise me to learn that Apple has spied on the way its products are used in order to improve user experiences and maximize profit initiatives.
I don't know. What I'm sure of is that Steve Jobs has got to go, again, just for a couple years, to let the company get back on track.
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Obviously for the kind of discussion it would breed, oh ye of such superior intelligence. It's good for page loads etc, and personally I can't see a problem with them posting it. If only political correctness reached the point where all gender discrimination, self-imposed or not, and all race discrimination, self-imposed or not, and all etc discrimination and segregation, self-imposed or not, were banned, then perhaps we could start getting over it. People with your view always end up on the wrong side of history. I'm just saying.
What's next? Allow them to go Mosques on US soil and wear the hijab? Oh, wait. So, uh, what's the big deal?
Are you retarded?
Then the bastards win. Because you're afraid. Fuck all that. This is just another case of the old generation trying to impose its rules and morals and secrets on us. Part of the reason we are smarter than they were is that we have opened all the doors and windows behind which they used to rape their sisters and beat their wives.
In the Army, we can say what the fuck we want, in any forum (including YouTube and Facebook, per DoD orders earlier this year), so long as we don't compromise sensitive information. We all have a pretty good sense of what sensitive information is. Of course it's bad for your career to get yourself on the news or something for something put on Facebook, but you can't get any backlash for it unless you were specifically told not to comment on the matter or were somehow compromising the Army or otherwising bringing disgrace upon the army. For instance, getting drunk in uniform and making a YouTube video about it is a bad idea, because you're not supposed to drink in uniform. BUT getting drunk out of uniform and making a YouTube video in which you say how much you fucking hate the army -- that's okay. You just can't say you're representing the army. So, anyway, fuck the army.
State and muni. governments have ALWAYS been held to different standards in this regard, and Federal agencies have always been held to even higher ones. You are an idiot.
If the Fed. had passed a law like this when the Democrats had power, we probably wouldn't have lost it, because all the Republicans seeking re-election would have had to have been honest and cordial. That would have been awesome.
What a good little employee. Any HR person will tell you that while you're right, it is "reasonable" and "legal," it's bad for morale. People have always needed/found ways to vent about their employers. Wasn't there a case not long ago where a high school girl's coach forced her to let her login to her MySpace? A "condition of being on the team" or whatever? It's one thing if the employee has his thing public and lets his bosses onto his profile and all that. It's quite another if they have their things set to private and then demand access to it and then punish for what they find.
It was that or somehow steal Gmail's spam-fighting technology. I've given my Gmail address to thousands of services (maybe) in the past six years, and the only spam I get is voluntary or occasional.
I hope you're being facetious. Sony has its fingers in markets Apple only dreams about and shares a (albeit fairly smaller) part of the ones that Apple does play in. The PS3, some might argue, is better at content delivery than the Apple TV, largely because its more open nature, and I say this with full knowledge of and despite their present war on PS3 hackers.
Yeah, I agree with him. Fire Jobs, save the company.
I agree. And also: it's unlikely that the whole world, or, in our case, even the whole country, is going to be shut down at the same time. So we'd want to get word to a safe zone and then they could use that word to broadcast it back to our friends nearby. An encrypted dial-up connection may seem unfeasible or even unreasonable, but I still think it's a good idea that every freedom-loving geek get his chops up on this shit now. I personally just bought some old parts on eBay and am figuring how to actually set this up (it is much easier than I thought). Regardless of how it's done, we will not be able to rely on things like Facebook to communicate our needs when it comes down to it. For a time, Facebook and services like it will find it much more profitable to co-operate with the government's demands. They could just say "shut down all accounts in this region for this length of time." And what's to say that Facebook won't do it?
Exactly. I think if they were seriously not trying to use this for Big Brother purposes, then the legislation would rather be along the lines of putting measures in place to require co-operation from ISPs in the event that a national emergency was declared -- that is, report any and all foreign traffic, esp. incoming, and things along those lines. It could also require that network security firms give discounted or free, 100% dedicated service to the government during times of national crisis. And things along those lines that would actually aide the national security. Instead what they're really after is the ability to shut down the people's communications in the event of civil unrest--like when the government defaults on its debts in the coming decade and its debtors begin to re-possess leveraged assets. It'll be a sobering day when the Chinese flag flies from the National Monument because Hu happens to own that shit. And of course very few Americans will be happy about that.
I think it's extremely important that we all take notes here. Dial-up may be getting phased out, but keeping one kicking around might not be the worst idea. Probably learning how to set up an actual dial-in connection with ease would be good. Because it can and will happen here when the shit hits the fan, and, being a veteran of war, I can tell you that the best way to demobilize and weaken your enemy is to fuck his communications as hard as you possibly can. Indymedia, while relegated largely to the role of aging dinosaur, has still been on the cutting edge of this sort of thing for several years now. It wouldn't be hard for someone to set up a Twitter-like service akin to Identi.ca and use it as a way to disseminate information on streets to avoid and where certain types of aide are needed and what not, in the event of a national crisis like we're seeing in Egypt.
True. If a state is run by religious fundamentalists, then it cannot be progressive. However, Egypt is one of the more DEMOCRATIC states in the region.
I get annoyed when people spout off about how bad this kind of thing is. The thing hasn't hit the road and I'm sure the last thing Ford or anyone else wants is for people to stop relying on their actual driving skill. Nothing's ever good enough for half the uber-idiot-nerds on these message board, number one, and number two, you guys very often seem to forget all the R&D that goes into things like this. Eventually you have to have 1.0. I mean, shit, at least companies like Ford have the decency to wait until 1.0 -- unlike half the hair brained and half-baked technologies you guys LOVE the shit out of.
Don't get me wrong, I was all in for Mandrake 8.1 too.
What I'm saying is that needless negativity like that displayed by some of the people who scored a fucking 5 (seriously, mod?) on this thread is exactly what's destroying the country as a whole and limiting progress worldwide. "No, no, no, no." And who cares if you can't get behind it, dickwad? Don't buy one! The shit won't be ubiquitous until it's as reliable as air bags or anti-lock brakes (both of which, I might add, heard similar arguments when they first came into the latter developmental stages).
So eat shit.
Agreed.
So they'll just use this as a way to advertise privacy software.
If they did it from their work computer, they are on duty. Period. I don't care if they're acting in capacity or whatever -- if they didn't do it from home, they are to be held liable.
They could have taken the Animal Liberation Front approach, wherein a law firm or publicity group does all their talking for them.
I agree. Let him hang, save the movement. Progress isn't dependent on one man. He deserves a footnote, maybe a big footnote, but little more. It's not like he's ever saved a dying Afghan school girl (I know people who have) or spent years on the picket line. He's in search of star power, and now he has it, so let him hang, get on with the leaks.
Fuck Assange. Figureheads always fail their movements, and if this man doesn't prove that to you, I'm sorry for you. Fuck Assange. Let them have him. Save the organization. Save the movement.
I agree, although I think the bragging is for legal and safety reasons. If the whole organization was murdered before the documents saw the light of day and nobody knew they had the documents, no investigation would ensue, obviously.
I'm definitely more interested in what goes on in countries where these things are NEVER made public (at least we have the FIA in the USA), like North Korea, Burma, China, and so forth--countries that by POLICY murder/jail civilian citizens for dissent on a regular basis. I know all that shit happens in the US, too, that's not the point I'm trying to refute, just that Assange's seemingly boundless hatred toward the US is a bit off-kilter when you've got places like Uganda in the world.
We're bad, sure, we're dirty, yeah, but we're not the worst aggressors against human rights, and the record should reflect that. Now that you've got the world's attention by pissing off the most powerful, start trotting out all the real injustices at an ever-more-alarming rate or risk becoming a blip on the screen.
I don't want WikiLeaks or any other journalism tool to become a blip on the screen. I want more information and more freedom of information.
My prediction is that (as history repeats itself), APPL will reach a pinnacle, Jobs will freak out and scare off all but the loyal base (which has admittedly grown), alienate the best within the company, and bring it to its knees for awhile. I'm saying that you can only bleed a stone so much; Apple needs to have a little more customer appreciation. Eventually Apple users are going to feel used when these up and coming competition products start to really compete. I'm not a believer in "iPhone killers" or any of that mumbo-jumbo. What I'm saying, I guess, is that there comes a point where customer loyalty must be matched by company loyalty-to-customer, and I don't believe that Apple is presently living up to that, and so there are plenty of us ready to jump ship when the right alternative comes along. (For example, it's been over a month since I found anything cheaper on iTunes than I did on Amazon MP3.) I'll trade a few ounces of convenience for 50-80% savings, I'm telling you I will, although I really, really don't want to have to do that. As an example, the whole thing with smoking voiding one's warranty; that's just nonsense and big-brothery bullshit.
I'm surprised that virtually no one (minus a column here and there) has taken on the cult of Jobs in a really comprehensive way. He's losing his mind again, and this Android outlashing is only the most recent. It's not going to get any better, history shows us; how long before they're offering a $15,000 "anniversary iPod" or some such shit?
I don't miss the days of viruses and constant crashing, don't get me wrong. It's just that with as much money as I have tied up in Apple, I feel deeply concerned with the directions the company is heading in as regards ME. I don't look forward to an operating system (Steve Jobs' dream, from 1979 on) wherein Apple approves everything I use.
And what of the OpenOffice Java thing that happened recently? For months, since I updated my Java via Software Update, OpenOffice (and LibreOffice now) has been unable to function properly. All because of one little change that Apple made. Numerous complaints get no traction.
More to the point, what financial reason do the bastards have for this? They want me to buy iWork again, which I refuse to do. Fuck iWork.
Apple is unwittingly fast-approaching a point where they will lose users like myself, people who will eventually get fed up and, the same way we said goodbye to Microsoft, say goodbye to Apple.
Ubuntu doesn't look so difficult these days.
This might be true, but presently we're running the risk of losing the Operating System altogether, in favor of some sort of walled-garden thing where you can only buy your software if Apple approves it. This is dangerous for innovation, because it allows Steve Jobs and whatever other assholes to set the parameters by which that innovation can take place. There's also a certain dumbing-down of things taking place, though that is not bad for the vast majority of consumers. My fear is that in two years my Macbook will no longer function unless I pay for an upgrade, and that I will be forced, by whatever licensing terms I've agreed to over the years, to either switch back to the wild world of IBM-based stuff or buy every little user experience I want. It wouldn't very much surprise me to learn that Apple has spied on the way its products are used in order to improve user experiences and maximize profit initiatives. I don't know. What I'm sure of is that Steve Jobs has got to go, again, just for a couple years, to let the company get back on track.