I thought the mentality behind China was, "everyone was pirating it, so we might as well get $5 out of them where we can." Admittedly, I might be wrong. I also did not think my devil's advocate analogy was any worse than every other analogy out there. Hmm.. perhaps it was because I used bicycles instead of cars... I suppose then that the only true explanation is utter greed. I was really hoping that this was either not the case, or that there could be a possibility of some grey area in between. How naive of me to assume that a public figure could possess motives that were in some regard, genuinely altruistic.
I see what you're saying, and I agree to a certain extent, but consider a hypothetical situation similar to this.
Gill Bates, founder of Bike-rosoft makes a particular type of bicycle that has a thriving market for accessories; it's so thriving, it's practically an industry all to it's self. Bates gets big, and he has to do some kind of aggressive things to keep his hold on the bicycle market. His main competitors are a steel mill that makes bicycle parts you have to assemble yourself, and another company that makes very expensive but very fancy bicycles from a single piece of steel, engineered such that you can't actually replace any of the few parts.
Now, Gill passes on the torch, and starts to work on other stuff, but he sees that there are some in Africa who could really benefit from bicycles. He also worked in bicycles for years. He stared at his bicycles for years. He believed in his bicycles. Right or wrong, he still believes in his bicycles. They were every bit as much a part of him as anything could be. To a certain extent, they define him.
My question is which bicycle would you expect Mr. Bates to fly over to Africa? Why?
It's not just a matter of sheer effectiveness; there is an element of intent involved. You're not Mother Theressa because you happened to create a luxury good people can spend money on and generated some jobs in the process when all you were really looking for was to get rich.
Not that I'm implying that money's a bad thing, really, but don't try to tell me that enriching ones own self is public generosity.
Now, in a sworn declaration described in an IBM court filing, Goldfarb said he discussed SCO funding arrangements with Richard Emerson, a Microsoft senior vice president. In 2000, Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer named Emerson to lead the software giant's corporate development and strategy, putting him in charge of its mergers, acquisitions and partnerships.
Not only did I not see Gates name mentioned once, it would seem as though Ballmer was in charge back then.
Now, whether or not Gates was coaching any or all of this from the sidelines would be interesting to know, but impossible to determine.
Yeah, I mean, for my distaste of MS, I really find very little Gates says or does that I actually argue with.
It's really creepy to me: One man starts a cancer foundation, donates to charities, and, at least publicly, seems to be a decent human being, and is generally reviled. Another man is kind of an utter dick, makes abusive business deals, and after years of being a multi-millionaire without contributing anything to society, dies of cancer, and he gets worshiped like some kind of god.
Rest assured anonymous writer, Open-Source Desktops are staying just as competitive in their constant fight to make your favorite GUI just as unusable and obtuse as those produced by Microsoft or Apple. I am confident that, be it KDE or GNOME, you'll have just as frustrating of a time using the latest versions as you would using Metro or OSX.
Ah, but Steve in HR isn't an enthusiast about anything. He goes home, cracks open a beer, and watches the game. He's a decent enough guy, but kind of dull to be around. In college, he spent most of his time drinking with his fraternity brothers and getting laid. Nowadays, he spends most of his time engaged in such projects as buying a new (bigger) TV for the basement. He won't be teaching his kids carpentry, analogue circuitry design, programming, or really anything else. They'll be lucky if he takes them camping over vacation. It's not that he neglects them; he just doesn't have anything to transfer to them that they could possibly relate to. That's the common man or I keep a much less optimistic attitude about other people than they deserve.
Yeah, but you're here. By that virtue, you're not the demographic that the article describes.
I knew what an oscilloscope was and was trusted to solder (albeit, not well) by the age of about 13. I burned the everliving hell out of myself more than once, but that's the price you pay for living. I had free reign to the power drill at that point also, though they didn't like me having at the powered saws until I was at least 16. We are not the common man.
No, you got it all wrong man. You can only, like, throw words like "entitlement" around if you're belittling the proles. This guy, he's obviously a manager, or at the very least, someone responsible for hiring, so his simply operating within the constraints of mighty Capitalism, hallowed be it's name.
That sounds like a step in the right direction. I've often wished that there was some sort of SecurID type thing you could get implemented for your credit card, but I often wonder if that's beyond the ability of the average person to use. Even then, it's still breakable, but it's much more difficult.
The problem with that is that you have no guarantee they do, short of getting one of these cards and doing this yourself to see just how the data is encoded.
Okay, you couldn't use it for online purchases, but at a brief glance, you can get magnetic card encoders for 150+ USD. Not sure about whatever tech they use for the contactless style ones, but here's what I'm thinking:
Step 1: Steal contactless CC data.
Step 2: Burn semi-realistic magnetic card with CC data. Emboss the number on the front. 99% of all retail employees will not look twice at the card.
Step 3: Profit.
You don't need the security code for purchases made in person, and if you're doing this in person, you can probably speculate what the zip code is for the few places that even ask for that. Granted, this requires making purchases in person, so you're subject to video surveilance for anyone who REALLY wants to come after you, but since you can repeat this process, it's essentially a use one, throwaway kind of thing.
Without being quite so rude as the AC who responded, yeah, this, basically. I mean, I'm no expert. The only cards I've ever had are the good old fashioned magnetic strip variety, but I'm pretty sure that if you have that info, you're basically in.
I make an argument from only being able to see one side of the fence; I've never been a teacher, only a student. Having never been a teacher, I cannot tell the difference between the administration or the teachers. If their attitudes and beliefs are separate, I feel more effort should be made to make them so.
I never even said I blamed EVERYTHING on incapable teachers. I just gave the case for their being far more substantial motivators for talent going to a private employer rather than a public school. When you're hiring for a job, you don't attract the best by paying the least. That's pretty straightforward. As far as the amount of money they make, I will have to assume that they make more than I thought based upon your comment. It's anecdotal, but I've heard more than one teacher complain about how little they make.
My explanation for "Why now?" has applied for at least the last 16 years, probably longer. I say 16 years because starting when I was about 12 years old, I lost half of a semester of science class each year to DARE or some equivalent program. I was the only one I was aware of who was bothered by this, and I was mocked by my peers because of it. I suppose this could be administration-fueled, though I find it hard to believe that all the schools had time taken out of science for it, which was the bit I was particularly bitter about. This was also the school that literally gave me nothing to do throughout 3rd and 4th grade math, because I had been able to do multiplication and division after being home-schooled through 2nd grade. I got yelled at by a teacher for suggesting negative numbers as a means for subtracting a greater number from a lesser. This was also the school who wanted to put me in the 'retard' classes because I could demonstrate math in my head without needing to show my work. The latter was probably because I was being uncooperative and they didn't want to deal with me.
After graduating and going to college, I would hear things about how crazy bad things would be there for my brother, who is about 10 years younger than I. I heard things about how he would be taught multiplication for about a week, division for a week, fractions for a week, and so on and so forth and then wonder why he didn't understand what the fuck was going on. An inch deep and a mile wide. I think my parents probably had to spend more time straightening him the fuck out than the school put in to him.
I think that the biggest problem stems from the fact that, as is often stated, "those who can not do teach". You get a degree because you don't want a job that will kill you (or make you kill yourself) before you hit 45. You have any talent with science or math, and you want to use that talent. You want to get out there making/discovering things. You don't (usually) want to put up with a bunch of of nasty little latchkey brats who were never disciplined by their parents. You DEFINITELY don't want to do that for a fraction of what you'd make doing all the cool shit.
Raise the difficulty in becoming a teacher, get the fluffy bullshit out of the classroom, then tack on an extra 25% to the salary, minimum. I'll help foot the fucking bill, and I'm not planning on ever having kids.
On the other hand, being "liberated" from the chore of keeping backups of your music is nice when you're young and a spare 80 GB harddrive just for redundant music was quite a bit of extra cash, which is, interestingly, the demographic being referenced in the Story.
I stream stuff because I can get something worth streaming nowadays. Pandora has a surprising collection, and sucks far less than the local radio stations do. I've found a surprising amount of relatively obscure ska there.
That being said, I'm never going to delete my local music collection. I'd prefer my Pink Floyd NOT broken up by track or injected with ads.
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I thought the mentality behind China was, "everyone was pirating it, so we might as well get $5 out of them where we can." Admittedly, I might be wrong. I also did not think my devil's advocate analogy was any worse than every other analogy out there. Hmm.. perhaps it was because I used bicycles instead of cars... I suppose then that the only true explanation is utter greed. I was really hoping that this was either not the case, or that there could be a possibility of some grey area in between. How naive of me to assume that a public figure could possess motives that were in some regard, genuinely altruistic.
I see what you're saying, and I agree to a certain extent, but consider a hypothetical situation similar to this.
Gill Bates, founder of Bike-rosoft makes a particular type of bicycle that has a thriving market for accessories; it's so thriving, it's practically an industry all to it's self. Bates gets big, and he has to do some kind of aggressive things to keep his hold on the bicycle market. His main competitors are a steel mill that makes bicycle parts you have to assemble yourself, and another company that makes very expensive but very fancy bicycles from a single piece of steel, engineered such that you can't actually replace any of the few parts.
Now, Gill passes on the torch, and starts to work on other stuff, but he sees that there are some in Africa who could really benefit from bicycles. He also worked in bicycles for years. He stared at his bicycles for years. He believed in his bicycles. Right or wrong, he still believes in his bicycles. They were every bit as much a part of him as anything could be. To a certain extent, they define him.
My question is which bicycle would you expect Mr. Bates to fly over to Africa? Why?
Hey, I didn't name names. I could have been referring to anyone.
:P
From the modding, there must be a couple guilty consciences out there though.
It's not just a matter of sheer effectiveness; there is an element of intent involved. You're not Mother Theressa because you happened to create a luxury good people can spend money on and generated some jobs in the process when all you were really looking for was to get rich.
Not that I'm implying that money's a bad thing, really, but don't try to tell me that enriching ones own self is public generosity.
Now, in a sworn declaration described in an IBM court filing, Goldfarb said he discussed SCO funding arrangements with Richard Emerson, a Microsoft senior vice president. In 2000, Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer named Emerson to lead the software giant's corporate development and strategy, putting him in charge of its mergers, acquisitions and partnerships.
Not only did I not see Gates name mentioned once, it would seem as though Ballmer was in charge back then.
Now, whether or not Gates was coaching any or all of this from the sidelines would be interesting to know, but impossible to determine.
Yeah, I mean, for my distaste of MS, I really find very little Gates says or does that I actually argue with.
It's really creepy to me: One man starts a cancer foundation, donates to charities, and, at least publicly, seems to be a decent human being, and is generally reviled. Another man is kind of an utter dick, makes abusive business deals, and after years of being a multi-millionaire without contributing anything to society, dies of cancer, and he gets worshiped like some kind of god.
Rest assured anonymous writer, Open-Source Desktops are staying just as competitive in their constant fight to make your favorite GUI just as unusable and obtuse as those produced by Microsoft or Apple. I am confident that, be it KDE or GNOME, you'll have just as frustrating of a time using the latest versions as you would using Metro or OSX.
But immigrants old jobs other than as programmers in the US. Maybe if we killed EVERYONE in the US, unemployment will fall to zero....
...wait a second.
Ah, but Steve in HR isn't an enthusiast about anything. He goes home, cracks open a beer, and watches the game. He's a decent enough guy, but kind of dull to be around. In college, he spent most of his time drinking with his fraternity brothers and getting laid. Nowadays, he spends most of his time engaged in such projects as buying a new (bigger) TV for the basement. He won't be teaching his kids carpentry, analogue circuitry design, programming, or really anything else. They'll be lucky if he takes them camping over vacation. It's not that he neglects them; he just doesn't have anything to transfer to them that they could possibly relate to. That's the common man or I keep a much less optimistic attitude about other people than they deserve.
Yeah, but you're here. By that virtue, you're not the demographic that the article describes.
I knew what an oscilloscope was and was trusted to solder (albeit, not well) by the age of about 13. I burned the everliving hell out of myself more than once, but that's the price you pay for living. I had free reign to the power drill at that point also, though they didn't like me having at the powered saws until I was at least 16. We are not the common man.
No, you got it all wrong man. You can only, like, throw words like "entitlement" around if you're belittling the proles. This guy, he's obviously a manager, or at the very least, someone responsible for hiring, so his simply operating within the constraints of mighty Capitalism, hallowed be it's name.
Very similar to Van Eck phreaking. Scary that they pulled it off with a keyboard, and at such range.
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That sounds like a step in the right direction. I've often wished that there was some sort of SecurID type thing you could get implemented for your credit card, but I often wonder if that's beyond the ability of the average person to use. Even then, it's still breakable, but it's much more difficult.
The problem with that is that you have no guarantee they do, short of getting one of these cards and doing this yourself to see just how the data is encoded.
Okay, you couldn't use it for online purchases, but at a brief glance, you can get magnetic card encoders for 150+ USD. Not sure about whatever tech they use for the contactless style ones, but here's what I'm thinking:
Step 1: Steal contactless CC data.
Step 2: Burn semi-realistic magnetic card with CC data. Emboss the number on the front. 99% of all retail employees will not look twice at the card.
Step 3: Profit.
You don't need the security code for purchases made in person, and if you're doing this in person, you can probably speculate what the zip code is for the few places that even ask for that. Granted, this requires making purchases in person, so you're subject to video surveilance for anyone who REALLY wants to come after you, but since you can repeat this process, it's essentially a use one, throwaway kind of thing.
What I don't even....
Without being quite so rude as the AC who responded, yeah, this, basically. I mean, I'm no expert. The only cards I've ever had are the good old fashioned magnetic strip variety, but I'm pretty sure that if you have that info, you're basically in.
Really. Broadcast data can be intercepted by anyone with the ability to receive?
I make an argument from only being able to see one side of the fence; I've never been a teacher, only a student. Having never been a teacher, I cannot tell the difference between the administration or the teachers. If their attitudes and beliefs are separate, I feel more effort should be made to make them so.
I never even said I blamed EVERYTHING on incapable teachers. I just gave the case for their being far more substantial motivators for talent going to a private employer rather than a public school. When you're hiring for a job, you don't attract the best by paying the least. That's pretty straightforward. As far as the amount of money they make, I will have to assume that they make more than I thought based upon your comment. It's anecdotal, but I've heard more than one teacher complain about how little they make.
My explanation for "Why now?" has applied for at least the last 16 years, probably longer. I say 16 years because starting when I was about 12 years old, I lost half of a semester of science class each year to DARE or some equivalent program. I was the only one I was aware of who was bothered by this, and I was mocked by my peers because of it. I suppose this could be administration-fueled, though I find it hard to believe that all the schools had time taken out of science for it, which was the bit I was particularly bitter about. This was also the school that literally gave me nothing to do throughout 3rd and 4th grade math, because I had been able to do multiplication and division after being home-schooled through 2nd grade. I got yelled at by a teacher for suggesting negative numbers as a means for subtracting a greater number from a lesser. This was also the school who wanted to put me in the 'retard' classes because I could demonstrate math in my head without needing to show my work. The latter was probably because I was being uncooperative and they didn't want to deal with me.
After graduating and going to college, I would hear things about how crazy bad things would be there for my brother, who is about 10 years younger than I. I heard things about how he would be taught multiplication for about a week, division for a week, fractions for a week, and so on and so forth and then wonder why he didn't understand what the fuck was going on. An inch deep and a mile wide. I think my parents probably had to spend more time straightening him the fuck out than the school put in to him.
I think that the biggest problem stems from the fact that, as is often stated, "those who can not do teach". You get a degree because you don't want a job that will kill you (or make you kill yourself) before you hit 45. You have any talent with science or math, and you want to use that talent. You want to get out there making/discovering things. You don't (usually) want to put up with a bunch of of nasty little latchkey brats who were never disciplined by their parents. You DEFINITELY don't want to do that for a fraction of what you'd make doing all the cool shit.
Raise the difficulty in becoming a teacher, get the fluffy bullshit out of the classroom, then tack on an extra 25% to the salary, minimum. I'll help foot the fucking bill, and I'm not planning on ever having kids.
Needs a "+1, bums me out" mod.
Freedom IS slavery, citizen.
Seriously though, on one hand, I agree with you.
On the other hand, being "liberated" from the chore of keeping backups of your music is nice when you're young and a spare 80 GB harddrive just for redundant music was quite a bit of extra cash, which is, interestingly, the demographic being referenced in the Story.
I stream stuff because I can get something worth streaming nowadays. Pandora has a surprising collection, and sucks far less than the local radio stations do. I've found a surprising amount of relatively obscure ska there.
That being said, I'm never going to delete my local music collection. I'd prefer my Pink Floyd NOT broken up by track or injected with ads.
/notayounglistener
Yeah, but they ONLY lost that much. That's a victory in and of itself right? Right?