Current and former counter-terrorism officials said that the Boston bombs were built using pressure cookers as the superstructure, black powder or gunpowder as the explosive and ball bearings as additional shrapnel. The officials said that instructions on how to design such bombs are available on the Internet.
Yes yes, freedom from the evils of productivity and the joys of having to work for the big communist State (and of-course your actual private property gets taken first and if you disagree you get slaughtered). Surplus value, ha? How about actual added value by people doing the work necessary?
freedom from is just as important as freedom to, and if it were a true communist state instead of soviet state capitalism, every person would get a more equitable portion of their output. Instead value gets siphoned off to the top, where the laws of diminishing returns, and the non productive consumption are worst, and at the very least gets 'lost in transaction' on the way there. If you indeed believe in added value through work, then you should believe in maximizing total factor productivity, by redistributing capital to the poorest people. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimax
How do you benefit from oil that is still in the ground? However you do benefit from oil that is extracted and then you benefit from it being refined and shipped to you, and all of this is done by investing the capital necessary first. Nobody did this before investment of capital became possible.
The question ought to be, will I benefit more from the oil if i use it now, or if I wait for efficiency improvements later? If I use too much oil (or any natural resource), what are the negative externalities, and would it be better to wait until they can be properly mitigated? (again total factor productivity) If you replace the words "oil in still in the ground" with "trees in the ground", its clear that investment capital in the capitalism sense of it, isn't necessary to utilize resources whatsoever.
As to talking about socialism as a strategy for evolution, well, then hundreds of millions of people who disagreed with the socialists just weren't 'evolved enough' and had to be robbed and slaughtered, I guess they didn't evolve enough of the slave gene necessary to comply with the orders barked at them at the gun point.
What about the those native american socialists, who just weren't "evolved enough" and were robbed and slaughtered, because they didn't use their 'private property', in a way which we considered worthy of ownership. In fact Mises claimed that they didn't own it, because they didn't transform it enough with their labor, and completely discounts any notion of conservation. his own deduction claims that you can't conserve things for 'second comers', because it would invalidate the notion of private property, though he proves by iterating over every type of ownership except for the instance where no ownership exists. A good example of this is his comparison of a bear, and how it should be treated just like any other inanimate thing, but ignores what happens when the bear is hungry, which breaks his concept of self ownership.
I'll tell you what to do with your ideas and links, but what does it matter? You are not literally going to print all that nonsense onto a big stack of cardboard and shove up one of your orifices, where it belongs.
Ah yes the classic conservative answer to every problem, send it to the amygdala where it ges assessed emotionally, and then react without even processing the information, like the possibility that your not an expert on the subject.
I'm not sure thats a good thing, because people use hayek to pin scientific credence to their philosophies, despite the fact that many of his ideas has been disproven.
For example: the economic calculation problem.
a distributed network is only more efficient than a centralized system under certain parameters, sort of reminiscent of how technology went from mainframes to PC's and now back to the cloud. Because information technology is now cheaper than what it used to be, a planned economy is actually more efficient than laissez faire, because a central planning has more foresight into resource planning, especially when a person considers externalities aren't really free.
the Bolsheviks ran on a platform of freedom, freedom from the capitalists in fact, and debt slavery from private property owners. "competitive free markets" typically lead to extracting all surplus value, which is why property rights were used to justify slavery in america, and why the environment has gone to shit.
look up positive and negative liberty and this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty#Freedom_as_a_triadic_relation
this if you would like a genuine discussion of marx
http://www.youtube.com/user/brendanmcooney
Also realize that socialism is a strategy in evolution, one that we have used for a long time in fact, and backed up by plenty of mathematics and computer proof. In fact according to agent based economic computation, we would benefit from more socialism than we have now, and from having a more planned economy as well.
You think thats a feature in communist countries only? Try saudi arabia or thailand, you know, our capitalist allies. Heck you could even make the case of Julian Assange. The difference is that we have a media machine, and the illusion of choice in our democracy, so that real opposition isn't a threat to the status quo.
Would you call primitive jungle cannibals morally reprehensible, or would you instead try to compare them to the aztecs, or pre-agrarian Mesopotamians who struggled to survive.
The point being is that if you want to compare communism to capitalism, you have to compare them to something more analagous, like perhaps early industrial america for example. Remember how we used to have slavery, used to give disease innoculated blankets to native americans, and used to use perform medical experiments on poor blacks? It ultimately required millions of deaths to figure our way out of that problem, just as russians and communists had high mortality rates trying to free themselves, by revolting from what was an oppressive capitalist regime. I would argue that american neocolonialism also led to millions of deaths, through its support of repressive regimes abroad and overthrow of democratically elected governments, the fact that there was a wall street coup to overthrow FDR is quite scary.
Given the fact that peak resources are coming down the road, and robots are already worth around $3.00 an hour wage, and the way that our government behaves itself, I am expecting either a socialist or fascist revolution. But either way I am not too enthusiastic about gun control, given that the FBI helped plan assasinations of the OWS leaders, and the way that conservatives have allowed all our other rights and powers to erode. I do certainly agree with my fellow liberals with their premise, that people are bloody idiots who kill others and themselves for little good reason, and that society often drives them to these desperate ends as well. But with our debt and energy crunch, it might not be too unreasonable to expect that debt slavery will come again, as politicians bend over backwards for those claims of future productivity.
Why not just try to sequence enough genes, to have it multiplied with a DIY PCM machine, and create the super deadly flu, which according to/. was capable of killing 50% of humanity?
If he was wanting to make a political statement, he should have just self-immolated himself on the doorsteps of capital hill, that would have really made a media circus out of it.
I was wondering what you all thought about the energy theory of value, contrasted with labor or subjective theory of value, and the concept of having a currency based on the "joule standard". I feel as if it could more accurately describe both labor costs, scarcity in commodities, and environmental externalities. Additionally It would be possible to use this as the basis of agent based economic modeling, including a full economic analysis of labor, commodities, and natural capital, or at least a beginning framework for which to define object relations.
Subjective value theory tries to place "worth" on an item, and the corresponding labor that goes with it, can reduces the price through variable labor costs. What Marxists say is that labor is traded for other labor, and you shouldn't get to dictate what labor is worth, but how much labor a particular item costs. In terms of labor theory of value labor is not a "worth" it is a cost, and your products have to meet the socially necessary labor time, the average amount of time it takes to produce a good, in order to cost the average amount in society.
In this view all capital is the product of labor, and the use of capital in labor increases its value, so that the doctor does get paid more than the farmer. However a doctors amortized fixed capital costs (in labor time) aren't nearly as high as the incremental costs of labor, but by using subjective value theory you can distort them. This distortion essentially creates labor inefficiencies when making costs artificially low, It reduces the incentive of a higher capital intensive (fixed cost) to lower labor intensive (incremental cost) operation. Conversely in artificially high values by spending time automating things, which take less comparably less labor time. Thus reducing the incentives for less skilled people to become more skilled, and in effect disproportionally rewarding the persons with access to capital, who have automated more 'valuable' tasks.
This does not mean that subjective value theory is useless, labor value theory doesn't do a good job of valuing scarce commodities, but its not like either of them value natural capital or natural labor. Which is why I believe in energy value theory, and think that currency should be based on the "joule standard", as its the only one that can describe all three.
I foresee the economy transitioning to democratized capital and distributed production which will end the temporary and artificial scarcity. However real scarcity of real estate, ecological resources, energy, and minerals will be a increasingly big problem, and all of this can be thought of as a function of energy, including the energy inputs that produce labor. Energy theory of value can be used to measure all the inputs required for a given set of outputs, and can allow us to measure the externalized costs not otherwise accounted for.
If the pope is the representative of god on earth, I am assuming that the cardinals are all praying to god for guidance, therefore there shouldn't be any competing groups, assuming that we can verify that god exists.
I cant for the life of me figure out why POTUS always appears to be either a cleverly disguised sock puppet or marionette, I don't know if its just me going crazy or if the rest of the world is blind.
In some ways the "circle of trust" can be used, and has been used before in elections, but there have to be multiple circles obviously, and many of them are overlapping.
Its simple as this you live if you in a small city, each person announces their name and vote, members can say "thats not really john smith", and members also keep tallies.
Don't forget those "job creators" hire people like me, to do the homework and tests for them, so that they can take future credit for many more accomplishments. Just look at what happened at Harvard, or how someone like James Franco could finish his degree so quickly.
Have you ever heard of the concept of garbage in - garbage out? If you ask the majority of people they think that things like return on investment as 'facts', but yet infinite growth in a finite system is impossible, and all economic activity is premised on energy and thermodynamics.
When politicians say things like 'high taxes are hurting business' will the system be 'hand fed' the appropriate answer, regardless of mountains of evidence showing otherwise because it discourages 'non-productive consumption', and that the high taxes pay for government infrastucture, welfare, and investment?
Similarly there have been lots of propaganda referred to as facts in terms of tax policy, by the likes of the 'chicago boys' and people like milton friedman et al, however these people don't believe that economics can be studied empirically, and tax policy as an extension of economic policy.
I have had my share of problems with my local oregon newspaper distorting facts of even its 'politifact', and generaly attacking the institution of government itself as bad, so that it can meet the expectations of the patrons which keep it in business.
Is is any suprise that news media that are conservative make way more ad revenue per viewer than liberal, say for example rachel maddow or the daily show vs fox primetime, even when they have better age demographics of viewership for advertisers?
I remember seeing a used PCM multiplier online for $10k, and thinking what a powerful piece of machinery that was, especially given this was done in 5 mutations. It makes it sort of scary to think that all that steps in the way of Armageddon, is a disgruntled scientist and about $20k worth of lab equipment and supplies.
How else can you hold up the charade of a dual track justice system, if some people are hunted down by the authorities with extreme prejudice, and at the same time others are too powerful to fail, you create an illusion of order and safety and create bogeymen to keep people in fear.
By that same definition, roads themselves lose money, because they are paid for by property taxes, because gas taxes aren't enough alone. Here in Portland, OR our rail system carries over a thousand an hour in rush hour.
Your iphone breaks, the replacement screen is $50. You fix it yourself in 2 hours GDP goes up $50
You sell it to someone online to fix it up $200, take 2 hours to fix it with the $50 part, and they sell it online again (back to you) for $350 GDP goes up $600
Because GDP is a calculation of cost centers, and not a calculation of utility or productivity, what your really looking for is total factor productivity.
You could hire a dozen painters to do nothing but paint your portrait, and the GDP and employment would certainly go up, but would it do anything better for the world?
The problem is that much of the raise in GDP is "non productive consumption" or "luxury goods" or just cartels creating piles of imaginary capital.
an power vaccum exploited by powerful interests, so that its human and natural resources may be used more effectively, in order to be expropriated for the benefit for the wealthy, and also were considered strategic threats to the interests of the wealthy.
Rights and powers are about the same thing, and the constitution gives the power of government to pass laws, in order to provide for the general welfare. Each delegation of a power restricts rights, each declaration of a right restricts powers A right my be expressed as a restriction on a power, and a power as a restriction of a right.
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The Chicago Tribune reports
Current and former counter-terrorism officials said that the Boston bombs were built using pressure cookers as the superstructure, black powder or gunpowder as the explosive and ball bearings as additional shrapnel. The officials said that instructions on how to design such bombs are available on the Internet.
http://slashdot.org/submission/2606257/boston-marathon-bombings-likely-used-pressure-cooker-plans-found-on-the-internet
Yes yes, freedom from the evils of productivity and the joys of having to work for the big communist State (and of-course your actual private property gets taken first and if you disagree you get slaughtered). Surplus value, ha? How about actual added value by people doing the work necessary?
freedom from is just as important as freedom to, and if it were a true communist state instead of soviet state capitalism, every person would get a more equitable portion of their output. Instead value gets siphoned off to the top, where the laws of diminishing returns, and the non productive consumption are worst, and at the very least gets 'lost in transaction' on the way there. If you indeed believe in added value through work, then you should believe in maximizing total factor productivity, by redistributing capital to the poorest people.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimax
How do you benefit from oil that is still in the ground? However you do benefit from oil that is extracted and then you benefit from it being refined and shipped to you, and all of this is done by investing the capital necessary first. Nobody did this before investment of capital became possible.
The question ought to be, will I benefit more from the oil if i use it now, or if I wait for efficiency improvements later? If I use too much oil (or any natural resource), what are the negative externalities, and would it be better to wait until they can be properly mitigated? (again total factor productivity) If you replace the words "oil in still in the ground" with "trees in the ground", its clear that investment capital in the capitalism sense of it, isn't necessary to utilize resources whatsoever.
As to talking about socialism as a strategy for evolution, well, then hundreds of millions of people who disagreed with the socialists just weren't 'evolved enough' and had to be robbed and slaughtered, I guess they didn't evolve enough of the slave gene necessary to comply with the orders barked at them at the gun point.
What about the those native american socialists, who just weren't "evolved enough" and were robbed and slaughtered, because they didn't use their 'private property', in a way which we considered worthy of ownership. In fact Mises claimed that they didn't own it, because they didn't transform it enough with their labor, and completely discounts any notion of conservation. his own deduction claims that you can't conserve things for 'second comers', because it would invalidate the notion of private property, though he proves by iterating over every type of ownership except for the instance where no ownership exists. A good example of this is his comparison of a bear, and how it should be treated just like any other inanimate thing, but ignores what happens when the bear is hungry, which breaks his concept of self ownership.
I'll tell you what to do with your ideas and links, but what does it matter? You are not literally going to print all that nonsense onto a big stack of cardboard and shove up one of your orifices, where it belongs.
Ah yes the classic conservative answer to every problem, send it to the amygdala where it ges assessed emotionally, and then react without even processing the information, like the possibility that your not an expert on the subject.
I'm not sure thats a good thing, because people use hayek to pin scientific credence to their philosophies, despite the fact that many of his ideas has been disproven.
For example: the economic calculation problem.
a distributed network is only more efficient than a centralized system under certain parameters, sort of reminiscent of how technology went from mainframes to PC's and now back to the cloud. Because information technology is now cheaper than what it used to be, a planned economy is actually more efficient than laissez faire, because a central planning has more foresight into resource planning, especially when a person considers externalities aren't really free.
the Bolsheviks ran on a platform of freedom, freedom from the capitalists in fact, and debt slavery from private property owners. "competitive free markets" typically lead to extracting all surplus value, which is why property rights were used to justify slavery in america, and why the environment has gone to shit.
look up positive and negative liberty and this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty#Freedom_as_a_triadic_relation
this if you would like a genuine discussion of marx
http://www.youtube.com/user/brendanmcooney
Also realize that socialism is a strategy in evolution, one that we have used for a long time in fact, and backed up by plenty of mathematics and computer proof. In fact according to agent based economic computation, we would benefit from more socialism than we have now, and from having a more planned economy as well.
You think thats a feature in communist countries only? Try saudi arabia or thailand, you know, our capitalist allies. Heck you could even make the case of Julian Assange. The difference is that we have a media machine, and the illusion of choice in our democracy, so that real opposition isn't a threat to the status quo.
Would you call primitive jungle cannibals morally reprehensible, or would you instead try to compare them to the aztecs, or pre-agrarian Mesopotamians who struggled to survive.
The point being is that if you want to compare communism to capitalism, you have to compare them to something more analagous, like perhaps early industrial america for example. Remember how we used to have slavery, used to give disease innoculated blankets to native americans, and used to use perform medical experiments on poor blacks? It ultimately required millions of deaths to figure our way out of that problem, just as russians and communists had high mortality rates trying to free themselves, by revolting from what was an oppressive capitalist regime. I would argue that american neocolonialism also led to millions of deaths, through its support of repressive regimes abroad and overthrow of democratically elected governments, the fact that there was a wall street coup to overthrow FDR is quite scary.
Given the fact that peak resources are coming down the road, and robots are already worth around $3.00 an hour wage, and the way that our government behaves itself, I am expecting either a socialist or fascist revolution. But either way I am not too enthusiastic about gun control, given that the FBI helped plan assasinations of the OWS leaders, and the way that conservatives have allowed all our other rights and powers to erode. I do certainly agree with my fellow liberals with their premise, that people are bloody idiots who kill others and themselves for little good reason, and that society often drives them to these desperate ends as well. But with our debt and energy crunch, it might not be too unreasonable to expect that debt slavery will come again, as politicians bend over backwards for those claims of future productivity.
Why not just try to sequence enough genes, to have it multiplied with a DIY PCM machine, and create the super deadly flu, which according to /. was capable of killing 50% of humanity?
If he was wanting to make a political statement, he should have just self-immolated himself on the doorsteps of capital hill, that would have really made a media circus out of it.
I was wondering what you all thought about the energy theory of value, contrasted with labor or subjective theory of value, and the concept of having a currency based on the "joule standard". I feel as if it could more accurately describe both labor costs, scarcity in commodities, and environmental externalities. Additionally It would be possible to use this as the basis of agent based economic modeling, including a full economic analysis of labor, commodities, and natural capital, or at least a beginning framework for which to define object relations.
Subjective value theory tries to place "worth" on an item, and the corresponding labor that goes with it, can reduces the price through variable labor costs. What Marxists say is that labor is traded for other labor, and you shouldn't get to dictate what labor is worth, but how much labor a particular item costs. In terms of labor theory of value labor is not a "worth" it is a cost, and your products have to meet the socially necessary labor time, the average amount of time it takes to produce a good, in order to cost the average amount in society.
In this view all capital is the product of labor, and the use of capital in labor increases its value, so that the doctor does get paid more than the farmer. However a doctors amortized fixed capital costs (in labor time) aren't nearly as high as the incremental costs of labor, but by using subjective value theory you can distort them.
This distortion essentially creates labor inefficiencies when making costs artificially low, It reduces the incentive of a higher capital intensive (fixed cost) to lower labor intensive (incremental cost) operation. Conversely in artificially high values by spending time automating things, which take less comparably less labor time. Thus reducing the incentives for less skilled people to become more skilled, and in effect disproportionally rewarding the persons with access to capital, who have automated more 'valuable' tasks.
This does not mean that subjective value theory is useless, labor value theory doesn't do a good job of valuing scarce commodities, but its not like either of them value natural capital or natural labor. Which is why I believe in energy value theory, and think that currency should be based on the "joule standard", as its the only one that can describe all three.
I foresee the economy transitioning to democratized capital and distributed production which will end the temporary and artificial scarcity. However real scarcity of real estate, ecological resources, energy, and minerals will be a increasingly big problem, and all of this can be thought of as a function of energy, including the energy inputs that produce labor. Energy theory of value can be used to measure all the inputs required for a given set of outputs, and can allow us to measure the externalized costs not otherwise accounted for.
If the pope is the representative of god on earth, I am assuming that the cardinals are all praying to god for guidance, therefore there shouldn't be any competing groups, assuming that we can verify that god exists.
I cant for the life of me figure out why POTUS always appears to be either a cleverly disguised sock puppet or marionette, I don't know if its just me going crazy or if the rest of the world is blind.
In some ways the "circle of trust" can be used, and has been used before in elections, but there have to be multiple circles obviously, and many of them are overlapping.
Its simple as this you live if you in a small city, each person announces their name and vote, members can say "thats not really john smith", and members also keep tallies.
Garbage in - Garbage out
Don't forget those "job creators" hire people like me, to do the homework and tests for them, so that they can take future credit for many more accomplishments. Just look at what happened at Harvard, or how someone like James Franco could finish his degree so quickly.
Radio buttons are the new swipe gestures
Didn't you say that you wanted to capture an asteroid? Here is your chance, go for it.
Have you ever heard of the concept of garbage in - garbage out? If you ask the majority of people they think that things like return on investment as 'facts', but yet infinite growth in a finite system is impossible, and all economic activity is premised on energy and thermodynamics.
When politicians say things like 'high taxes are hurting business' will the system be 'hand fed' the appropriate answer, regardless of mountains of evidence showing otherwise because it discourages 'non-productive consumption', and that the high taxes pay for government infrastucture, welfare, and investment?
Similarly there have been lots of propaganda referred to as facts in terms of tax policy, by the likes of the 'chicago boys' and people like milton friedman et al, however these people don't believe that economics can be studied empirically, and tax policy as an extension of economic policy.
I have had my share of problems with my local oregon newspaper distorting facts of even its 'politifact', and generaly attacking the institution of government itself as bad, so that it can meet the expectations of the patrons which keep it in business.
Is is any suprise that news media that are conservative make way more ad revenue per viewer than liberal, say for example rachel maddow or the daily show vs fox primetime, even when they have better age demographics of viewership for advertisers?
Chuck norris was too busy saving us from north korea, to also blow up the asteroid heading for earth.
I remember seeing a used PCM multiplier online for $10k, and thinking what a powerful piece of machinery that was, especially given this was done in 5 mutations. It makes it sort of scary to think that all that steps in the way of Armageddon, is a disgruntled scientist and about $20k worth of lab equipment and supplies.
How else can you hold up the charade of a dual track justice system, if some people are hunted down by the authorities with extreme prejudice, and at the same time others are too powerful to fail, you create an illusion of order and safety and create bogeymen to keep people in fear.
By that same definition, roads themselves lose money, because they are paid for by property taxes, because gas taxes aren't enough alone. Here in Portland, OR our rail system carries over a thousand an hour in rush hour.
Here is an example:
Your iphone breaks, the replacement screen is $50. You fix it yourself in 2 hours GDP goes up $50
You sell it to someone online to fix it up $200, take 2 hours to fix it with the $50 part, and they sell it online again (back to you) for $350 GDP goes up $600
Because GDP is a calculation of cost centers, and not a calculation of utility or productivity, what your really looking for is total factor productivity.
You could hire a dozen painters to do nothing but paint your portrait, and the GDP and employment would certainly go up, but would it do anything better for the world?
The problem is that much of the raise in GDP is "non productive consumption" or "luxury goods" or just cartels creating piles of imaginary capital.
an power vaccum exploited by powerful interests, so that its human and natural resources may be used more effectively, in order to be expropriated for the benefit for the wealthy, and also were considered strategic threats to the interests of the wealthy.
Rights and powers are about the same thing, and the constitution gives the power of government to pass laws, in order to provide for the general welfare.
Each delegation of a power restricts rights, each declaration of a right restricts powers
A right my be expressed as a restriction on a power, and a power as a restriction of a right.