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"The Kissinger Cables": WikiLeaks Releases 1.7M Historical Records
An anonymous reader writes to note the latest large-scale document release from WikiLeaks: "The cables are all from the time period of 1973 to 1976. Without droning about too many numbers that can be found in the press release, about 200,000 of the cables relate directly to former U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger. These cables include significant revelations about U.S. involvements with fascist dictatorships, particularly in Latin America, under Franco's Spain (including about the Spanish royal family) and in Greece under the regime of the Colonels. The documents also contain hourly diplomatic reporting on the 1973 war between Israel, Egypt and Syria (the 'Yom Kippur war'). While several of these documents have been used by U.S. academic researchers in the past, the Kissinger Cables provides unparalleled access to journalists and the general public. 'The illegal we do immediately; the unconstitutional takes a little longer.' — Henry A. Kissinger, U.S. Secretary of State, March 10, 1975."
'Fascist Dictatorship' is verging on hate speech. Please use the term 'Stability-Enhanced Administration' or 'American Regional Security Ally'.
My initial reaction was to think, "at least he admits it, privately."
After I thought about it for a half a minute, this quotation made my day. I realized that the people of the United States had passed a law that put a man like that in fear. Add one point in the "democracy" column!
[Sir Garlon] is the marvellest knight that is now living, for he destroyeth many good knights, for he goeth invisible.
If the US did play entirely by the rules, the USSR would win the Cold War. The USSR was a fascist country, although the red sort of fascism, and observed no rules in its quest for dominance over Eurasia. I am glad the West's only country capable of standing against the USSR had politicians like Dr Kissinger that were focused on winning.
I didn't think they had drones back then. Oh. Never mind.
Henry Kissinger
How I'm missing yer
You're the doctor of my dreams.
With your crinkly hair and your glassy stare
And your Machiavellian schemes
I know they say that you are very vain
And short and fat and pudgy but at least you're not insane!
Henry Kissinger
How I'm missing yer
And wishing you were here!
Henry Kissinger
How I'm missing yer
You're so chubby and so neat.
With your funny clothes and your squishy nose
You're like a German parakeet.
All right so people say that you don't care
But you've got nicer legs than Hitler
And bigger tits than Cher!
Henry Kissinger
How I'm missing yer
And wishing you were here!
I also always remember Tom Lehrer's comment that political satire died when they gave Kissinger the Nobel Peace Prize.
I am officially gone from
The moral of the story is that once you realise the "alright" president/prime minister/premier/whatever is actually up to all sorts of no-good, then the ones you don't think so much of are positively up to their necks in it.
where can i get them?
and do i trust wikileaks to be impartial to the information in those documents?
The government isn't that clever by a longshot. Besides, it could just as easily backfire and remind everyone of all the scummy tactics we were engaging in just 40 years ago (and encourage more people to ask if we're still engaging in them today--which, sadly, we probably are).
The cow says "Moo." The dog says "Woof." The Timothy says "Thanks, valued customer. We appreciate your input."
Usually called a Constitutional Republic.
Real democracy will eat you, like when 51 percent vote it's okay to kill you an eat you.
Instead we have a Constitution and Bill of Rights.
The existence of the agency called DHS is in 100% opposition to the US Constitution. It' must be de-activated, disarmed (with a BRAC like program) and the security clearance of all those people revoked for their treasonous bullshit.
All of the problems today are because of oath breakers. Senators don't regulate the monetary system. Every one of them ought be arrested for that. Or lose their power.
Don't like that example? It really is EVERY PROBLEM, is exactly the way they fucking want it.
How about the 49 oath breakers that tried to sign the UN Small Arms treaty and override our fucking constitution and GOD GIVEN RIGHTS to bear arms..
Every fucking day they're coming out with new fucking laws and rules and ordinances, and treaties, and shit.
Every one of those "spread democracy" fuckers is an oath breakin piece of shit, usually breaking the logan act and affiliating with foreign agenda like agenda 21 from the UN, Carbon Tax UNEP/IPCC, CFR (high level oath breaking), AIPAC (Jewish oath breaking), PNAC (conservative oath breaking)
You can't trust the FBI or DOJ cause where are all the fucking banksters? Free, and doing it again.
I conclude the RULE OF LAW has been destroyed
but you go ahead and say no, and then don't fucking cry when they STEAL Your COCK SUCKING RETIREMENT .
Go look at the oath breakers on HR 390
IT'S TOO LATE TO WAKE UP NOW, can you say capitol controls, new world order, fema regions
Obama should not be impeached, he ought be arrested for treason, spending the rest of his fucking life in ft. leavenworth.
These fuckers are the ones who spread death squads and war, funded by banksters.
IT'S TOO LATE TO WAKE UP NOW
NEW GLOBAL ORDER the fuckers are saying it in the OPEN now on CSPAN-2. BIDEN breaking his oath RIGHT FUCKING NOW live on CSPAN-2
Well, I believe Machiavelli wrote a separate book on republics, which I haven't read, but the closest relevant chapter in _the Prince_ is probablyChapter IX, where he says:
I'm aware that Machiavelli's name is a synonym for ruthlessness, but if you actually read what he wrote, there's a lot more to it than that. He wrote a lot about the importance of gaining and keeping the people's support. So, I do not think Kissinger by and large took the right lessons from Machiavelli. Now, Lyndon Johnson, *there's* a true student of Machiavelli!
[Sir Garlon] is the marvellest knight that is now living, for he destroyeth many good knights, for he goeth invisible.
The previous declassification Executive Order 12958 signed in 1995, under the Clinton administration, was resisted by officials in the Defense Department and the U.S. intelligence community. The reclassification program was started in the fall of 1999 (Executive Order 13142). Security concerns were heightened by the Wen Ho Lee case, and "alleged" inadvertent release of nuclear secrets by the State Department.[1] 55 boxes of material were removed to the classified storage area on the sixth floor.[2]
It sought to be covert for as long as possible, but was revealed by the National Security Archive in February 2006.[3] By that point over 55,000 pages had already been reclassified, many dating back more than 50 years.
During the George W. Bush administration the scope of the program widened (Executive Order 13292), and was scheduled to end in March 2007.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._reclassification_program
I doubt even 2% of Slashdot readers have the intellectual capacity to understand the context of these communications. Instead, like the AC above me, they will spout leftist talking points. While at the same time condemning the West for their actions, they are in full support of regimes like North Korea and China, which have inflicted 100 times the deaths and misery than anyone can accuse the West of doing.
While I agree in substance I fail to see how you're going to win people to your way of thinking using that particular method of delivery.
What Machiavelli talked about was how to achieve and hold power. That requires the people's support. But a Machiavellian, like any true politician, does it for his own sake, not for theirs -- and Machiavelli thus talked about how to reconcile this fundamental selfishness with the need to keep the people's support.
The problem comes when there is a distinction between enacting policies that benefit the people, and feigning to so just in order to get their support while actually not having their best interests at heart. This is why transparency in governance is the ultimate enemy of politicians and yet the only thing that gives government a shade's chance of actually serving the public.
If government is allowing you to see these "leaks," they're benefiting in some way from the environment that results.
To assume that government is actually constrained by such things is to assume benevolence in government; perhaps it is most beneficial for them that you think this is all they have to reveal.
Google must have been created to confuse us all. Slashdot to waste our time.
The fact is, if you read the cables, it doesn't read like a Stephen King novel. A reader would be hard pressed to not notice that 99% of the picture is missing.
Yes the Freedom [REDACTED] Act has certainly made it [REDACTED] for us to see what the government is [REDACTED] to. It's not like they [REDACTED] any important information these days and thumb their nose at the act, after all.
What amuses me is that most people like to pretend that this type of stuff doesn't continue into the present day.
"What the American public doesn't know is what makes them the American public." -Ray Zalinsky (Tommy Boy)
if you read the cables, it doesn't read like a Stephen King novel
And how did you expect a raw dump of 200,000 cables to read? Let me know when you've read and studied all of them.
Usually called a Constitutional Republic. Real democracy will eat you
Warning: the English language is subject to change over the centuries. Right wingers and libertarians particularly take note. In the 18th century the word "democracy", without further qualification, generally referred to direct democracy. We are currently the 21st century (check your calendars if you doubt it). At this time, and for many years, the term "democracy" has taken on a more general meaning, and may refer to either direct or representative democracy, with or without a constitution. This may be verified by using a new type of reference called a "dictionary".
If you can't find anything more substantial to complain about than your fetish for using 18th century meanings for certain words, do you actually have anything to say?
Taiwan and Japan? What did they ever to do support NK? You're really off your rocker.
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_is_a_racket
A hundred years and nothing has changed.
Good, sound, logical points, Qzukk, but in an infantilized culture we are never allowed more than two choices, the bipolar outcome.
As far as comments on that Cold War.....
Riiiiiggggghhhhttt, that's how David Rockefeller managed to establish banking operations in 1973 in both Moscow and Beijing, 'cause of that Cold War Thingy.....riiiiiiggggghhhhhtttt.....
Which is how we've arrived at DAFOH, or Doctors Against Forced Organ Harvesting (which is what the global elite wants, of course, forced organ harvesting, that is)....
http://www.dafoh.org/
The following human rights problems continued: isolated unlawful killings and use of excessive force by security forces, sometimes with impunity; poor prison conditions; arbitrary arrest and detention; corruption and other abuses by security forces; a high number of pretrial detainees; and corruption and denial of due process within the judicial system. President Correa and his administration continued verbal and legal attacks against the independent media. Societal problems continued, including physical aggression against journalists; violence against women; discrimination against women, indigenous persons, Afro-Ecuadorians, and lesbians and gay men; trafficking in persons and sexual exploitation of minors; and child labor.
I don't know if that claims are true. Probably they are since all those problems are endemic to almost all the countries of Latin America, we differ sadly only in a matter of degree but:
Do you know that Mexico is and has been for the last 6 years the most dangerous country for the press, when not in only in Latin America, in the whole world? Do a Google search about Regina Martínez (RIP), Lydia Cacho, Carmen Aristegui and Anabel Hernández for starters. The mexican bloodbath with at least 100,000 organized crime related murders, 26,000 disappeared on the official count. The two men with a key responsibility for all of this, former president Felipe Calderón and the former head of the Mexican Federal Police, Genaro García Luna are living happy in the USA. Calderón "teaching" in Harvard, Genaro García Luna has spend the last 3 years issuing death treats to Anabel Hernández; she and her family are under around the clock protection by the police of Mexico City, see:
After years of threats, Mexican journalist fights to keep armed protection: By Anabel Hernández
The former president is a staunch catholic conservative that is against abortion, condoms, gays and marriage equality; the current mexican President, Enrique Peña Nieto, sent police to rape a gay teacher:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prBKa_TaE3I
Also, the police when he was governor of Mexico state gang raped several women, -allegedly 47 victims, 26 documented in the National Human Rights Commission report- including spanish and chilean citizens:
2006 civil unrest in San Salvador Atenco
I have a equatorian friend that dislikes Correa. But, at least, his personal experience doesn't match mine; in my workplace a forensic team recovered from the foundations of and old building the bodies of victims of the mexican dirty war sponsored by Kissinger; my grandmother, uncles and a cousin were almost killed in one illegal house search 5 years ago by the Army, and just last week I had to park a few blocks of my house my car because my street was closed by a police roadblock for a day. Fortunately, nothing serious happened.
Mexico: 100% conservative's America now!
I dont understand why anyone is surprised by this.
Governments, elected or otherwise, HAVE to make decisions that affect peoples lives.
Even the most well-intentioned on paper will find themselves facing lose-lose scenarios.
Yes, it is shocking when you find out that certain people played dirty against their own.
But in international politics i'd say the game itself is dirty.
Anyone who thinks the cold war is over, that trade agreements benefit both sides unilaterally, or that the arab spring will will bear edible fruit..
GET A CLUE
"So, when will Wikileaks start releasing Soviet and Communist archive material? Thats right, Assange probably doesn't consider them "bastards" to be crushed. Well, he going to Ecuador if he can, isn't he?"
Assange is retreating to Ecuador because many of those "free Western" democracies you seem so fond of have given him little choice.
Sure the country is free, until you embarrass the government. Then it becomes a police state faster than you can say donut.
I'm not saying Assange might not have legitimately got himself in trouble. As the girl getting arrested in Montreal shows, once the government and police see a person as a dissident they watch them closely. With the number of crimes that are vaguely defined, easy to make up, or just plainly something a reasonable person would not realize where a crime, it is not hard to put someone behind bars if they try.
http://rt.com/news/montreal-girl-arrested-instagram-370/
http://www.harveysilverglate.com/Books/ThreeFeloniesaDay.aspx
Aaron Swartz
With the number of politically minded prosecutions and arrests making the news, it is hard not to say that Western society has become a police state.
Interesting points, but we are very close to both dirt cheap solar panels and hot and cold fusion, so peak resources is unlikely to be much of a problem anytime soon. The USA could be out of debt with an act of congress anytime to just print money instead of borrow it -- the big issue is who gets newly created money first -- the government or the banks. However, the social consequences of people fighting over what they think are peaking resources using abundant resources (including abundant computing resources) is indeed a big potential problem.So is the falling relative value of most human labor compared to intelligent machines and related social unrest as the income-though-jobs link underlying the right to consume in the USA gets stretched further and further for more and more people. A "basic income" is one possible resolution to that, as is a gift economy, improved subsistence, and better participatory democratic planning. Again though, people may fight for ideological reasons over notions of fairness in distributing the right to consume. "Interesting times" indeed.
I'd be curious if you have a citation for the FBI/OWS claim.
A 21st century issue: the irony of technologies of abundance in the hands of those still thinking in terms of scarcity.
This is what I was alluding to.
SirGarlon doesn't understand, and when he says:
I realize that he's projecting -- this was the only thing he could find that he thought was relevant, and he mistook that for reality at large. An unfortunate mistake.
In the process, he missed about a dozen more relevant quotations. That's why you read more than the Cliff's Notes, kids!
Futurist Traditionalism
A dump is conveniently ambiguous. It also guarantees that 99.999% of us will not read it, and those who do, will skim.
Futurist Traditionalism
I think Kim's rant was more about the renewed sanctions preventing him from buying stuff from all those countries.
with all due respect, you are resorting to ad hominem attacks, which are specious and do not serve to aid your argument.
they just make you look like a pompous jerk, regardless of the merit of what you say.
~.~
I'm a peripheral visionary.
Don't know a lot about some of what you mention there, but chemtrails are wacko bullshit. Mentioning them doesn't do your credibility any favours.