We looked at upgrading to exchange from msmail and we cannot afford it. We need a solution that will provide group calendaring that people can sync their hand helds to and also does the mail thing that outlook / msmail does. Also it needs to do the scheduling. I'm tempted to write my own, but that could take a while.
It cannont be web based but needs to have remote access (like exchange) so remote users and all can access their calendar and mail from remote locations.
It needs to be cheap, like near free. Exchange was a 70k solution and that is to much for this tiny struggling company.
If you have ideas please reply to this post and I'll check them out...
it is possible to execute the TOP command and download the headers of mail and from the mail headers have it delete mail based on that. TOP 1 0, gives me just the mail headers. If I have 20 spam messages and I just get the headers of them I can delete all the spam and not download the whole message. I do this through my web based application that I have where I display the inbox I only get the headers. Maybe the soultion is to leave the mail on the server and only get the headers in the mail app and then select which messages I want to download after that. I could also set up filters based on these headers so that I never see the messages in my inbox that have lets say a character set that is in another language other then my own preference.
headers are usually less than 1k, but html spam is usually several k. This would cut down on my download time.
Once identified, the mail can then be optionally tagged as spam for later filtering using the user's own mail user-agent application.
The 'user agent' it the users mail program. This means that the users is not filtering out the data on the server. The server is only 'tagging mail'. The user still has to download the whole mail. Obviously your to stupid to understand a thing I am talking about. I am talking about a filter on the mail server that I set up that delete the mail from my inbox and I never ever see it. So in my case I would create a filter that says 'delete mail where charset like "korean"', then all mail that is coming from korea is deleted form the web server when it arrives at the pop mail account on the mail server.
My ISP uses the spaminator which reduces my spam by over 50%, but it is still not a filter that I set up for my account on their servers.
Its obvious from your post that it doesn't require brains to post on slashdot.
"Actually, why haven't ISPs adopted some form of user-level filtering system for email yet?"
I suggested something like this a while ago. Server side filters accessable by ordinary users. People here said they have those, but misunderstand. Most server side mail filters apply to ALL accounts and are not accessable by users who have pop accounts. In fact I have not heard of an ISP implementing such an idea and I claim this as prior art for such an idea so don't even think of patenting it I'll sue.
It's simple, a users logs into their isp with a web based app that allows them to say filter out this that and blah. I'd use mail headers, and filter out korean character sets as that is where most of my spam lately comes from. Funny I can't even read it but the charset says korean.
I am leaning alot about smtp / pop and basically the only requirements are HELO, MAIL FROM, RCPT TO, DATA, QUIT, USER, PASS, etc. The protocols themselves are too stupid for most else. Filters on the server could also interfear with privacy. In order for them to filter mail they would have to have a mail scanning program. If they log this data then it becomes an provacy issue.
The real solution is better mail filters in the pop mail cleints. For a delete filter it may be better if the pop client were to call TOP and get the message header and then delete the message appropriately. I am working on a java implementation of this. My POP3 bean can do this, I just need to scan the headers.
Tell them that it is 'free' QA on your code. If others find a bug they are more likly to fix it. Also there may be someone that takes your code and extends it or improves it in such a way that you get bennies from it.
The QA part is a good seller. If you have only tested your stuff the way that you use it and someone else gets it they may test and use it differently. This helps you QA your stuff.
Yeah, that does say it all. I have been working on such a thing. I have been attempting to do a cross platform library. So that it will at least be source compatible.
This is really difficult to do. If all you are doing is memcpy, file io, printf, then it is possible. If you get into sockets then it gets a little more machine dependant. Use log on and off, is even worse.
One option is to pick a cross platform C API. glib may work. I think there is a port to windows and if not it still should work under cigwin. Its speed is not that bad and it gives you things like sockets and linked lists and all the things you'd need for a daemon process or simple none gui program.
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I have seen it on cable already twice. It was actually pretty interesting to find out some things. Like the letter Billy Gates sent to the FSF (before teh FSF was the FSF) about how giving the source code away was a bad idea and that noone could make money off of that kind of software model. I wonder how Billy think RH is doing now with that kind of model.
Also it was intersting to hear the interviews with RMS, BP, and ESR as well as Linus Torvalds.
It was also interesting that they were working on a kernel of their own, I guess the Hurd in about 1985, when Linus released his first kernel in 1991 or so. I may be off by a few years in the dates, it was a movie after all.
They even mentioned why their kernel took so long. They mentioned some of the issues with the microkernel and message passing. Also how the message passing was hard to manage.
For anyone who is interesed in Linux, BSD or open source of any kind, it is a good documentary.
One is that IBM will open up the patents and allow them to be user by all. In getting the patent they would be preventing someone like Amazon or someone else from saying you can use it. So in this case this coule be a good thing. This of course depends on how committed IBM is to open source.
The second possibility is that somoene look at all these patents and make improvements to them or challenge them and invalidate them. In makeing improvements to them they would have to be non obvious and not impleied. In the case that you invalidate them just come up with proior art.
I cant spell.. will slashdot include a spellchecker if I pay for the service???
This is pretty sweet. I wonder if they have thought of selling this technology so that the average 'joe' like me could own one without having to destroy his cam.
I have been wanting a tellescops, but having looked through some of them the images that you get are not always that great. If I could get one of these and could get the images on my computer that would be so sweet.
A new desktop background every night;-)
On anther note. Their pictures of mars looked blue and red and white. Really unique pictures.
There is an optional cgi monitoring program that by default will listen on port 7000 I believe.
www.apcupsd.org
I use it and I do not think it opens any other ports except that one and as I said you don't need to have the cgi on. There is a powerchute clone. It is open source so if it does open a port up you can close this.
Oh the only other reason you may have ports is if you have slave machines and a master on one ups and you want the master to shut the slaves down. The slaves and masters all have to open communications so that they can be told to shutdown. I think in apcupsd if you have no slaves then this is not an issue.
I'd have to agree. I think that a real radical change in the UI is needed. Not sure exactly what that would be. I wonder how Microsoft will change their OS for their Mira device, which is supposed to be a pen tablet.
I'll also have to say that people are more open to the pen table today than they were years ago. There are many more such devices and many are used in the medical industry where all you need is a pen touch. Also UPS uses them, and so do other places like that.
In coding and word processing or email or the likes, the keyboard is probably the necessary medium. But when filling out a form that has all check boxes, like a medical document where they have mostly what medicines you are allergic to and they are just checking things off here and there the pen may be a good choice. Or even someplace that all you need is a signature like at cash registers a pen input is good.
I doubt that the pen will replace the keyboard anytime soon, but it may become another replacement for the mouse like the trackball is.
In order for pens to be useful the whole UI will need to change.
Take a palm device for instance. I can't see any need for a keyboard (yes they do have them). I don't enter in large amounts of data into my palm, I only do small notes. Most things I do are all point and click things so a pen is useful in this case.
However as I TYPE this message to slashdot, I think that the keyboard is more useful. It is easier for me to type after doing so for so many years than using palm's grafitti(sp).
One thing to remeber is that most Americans who go to school learn to use a pen before they learn to type. (Most not all). I am not sure how it is in other countries. Also typing is known to be a cause of CTS, or at least believed to be. If I had a handwriting recgonition input device for my desktop I may be tempted to switch to it even it it was slower, because in time I would probably get better with it as I have with typing. This is assuming that the UI was geared to handwriting and not mouse and keyboard input.
I'd agree that it is probably not true, and I too will hang on to my keyboard for now, but I look forward to the day where someone creates an effect GUI that does not require a keyboard.
Not for everyone though and not all of the source as I understand it. I heard they do this for Win CE and it was a recent thing. If they do sell the source it is not very heavily advertised. And if they do, then how much is the source for Win 2k?
The BSD style license would not work for them. The wine community would use their stuff as would to many others. The GPL, LGPL and some others like that would also not work as they would require that source changes be returned. They could however license it to developers. Like buy the OS and then you can buy the source. You can look at the source to develop your product and if you find bugs you can send in requests for fixes with code snippets which they could review and choose to include or not to include. The ULA that would work for them would include some statement that would say that you could not use this code in other projects.
Personally I don't think they could do it. See the movie Revolution OS, which has ESR, RMS, Linus T, and Bruce P. They actually dealt with Billy gates back in teh 70's about this issue. Billy said "Open Source is a bad business model" back then. How can anyone make money off of it. It is a good movie to see if you want a better understanding of where they all were coming from.
I think redhat has something they call kickstart. You basically have a file that tells it how to install RH and just boot the machine with the disk in then go away.
Also there are a number of places that do stuff like this with Linux as they have networks of computers. Try going to linuxdoc.org and readding the howtoos... http://linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/howtos.html
Also read this howto http://linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/KickStart-HOWTO.html as it is about the RH kickstart. It talks about network installs and nfs install as well.
Personally I got turned on this weekend by NetBSD. It was so slick. I installed from a cdrom in a second computer through my ftp login account on my other system. The boot loader just recognized my Windows boot sector and all I had to do was name it. It was soooooo easy, that I actually got turned on to it. The only thing I don't like is that my freebsd machine seems to boot faster, and the freebsd is a p133/32M and the netbsd is a 266/64M. Hell both are faster than windows on either box.
I do think that the 'newness' of Java for a C++ programmer and the ease of moving from C++ to Java would, assuming you like Java when you start using it, make you more excited about your job. Most programmers like to program and the newness of a new language that makes things that you used to do so easy can get you hipped up and excited. NetBSD did that for me and I have been a long term Linux user. Before that I was a windows user. I think it is the whole learning thing and the 'I feel so good cause I learned this so quick'. of course after using Linux for so long BSD and other unies are so easy to move to.
and is completely secure and would note get hacked;-)
On another note, I cound't see this site, it said I had to upgrade my browser. To nextscape 4. Funny I'm running mozila 9.9, what the f***!
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storage is cheap, cpu time is limited. Especially on a multi user box. Think of 100 people asking for a file that has to be converted 100 times. that is a lot of expensive CPU. Even using AMD you still need the machines to go with the CPU. that adds up.
you dont need a calculator, you just create your own 'hash' table. Like a = f, b = g, etc, or you can do a random thing and map a = g, b= d, etc.. All you need is a peice of paper and a pencil.
If you are talking about swaping out a mount drive you should be able to do that, by just umounting the drive. You'll have to shut off the services and programs that are using that drive.
If you are talking about swaping out a drive that is running your OS I'd say forget it. I don't think most IDE are made for that.
"Fast forward 5 years when the entire country is hooked up to Windows "
Well not the whole country. I only use windows at work and maybe one a month at home. Linux and BSD are great alternatives to those who can live withouth Office.
What I find a real shame is that instead of complaining about having to ship with windows, they should try shipping with both Linux or BSD and windows. Then they will be giving the users a real opportunity to choose.
One of the reasons that BE failed was that it did not have a big enough company behind it that sold preinstalled be systems. Dell and gateway used to sell Linux on their computers, and I think Dell still does on servers, but to many people are hooked to office and NOT windows. This is why I really think that if Mac were to port carbon and cocoa dn its gui to intel and compete with M$ on PC hardware it would be a true alternative to Windows that many would probably switch to. Assuming M$ would develop office on OS X.
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It cannont be web based but needs to have remote access (like exchange) so remote users and all can access their calendar and mail from remote locations.
It needs to be cheap, like near free. Exchange was a 70k solution and that is to much for this tiny struggling company.
If you have ideas please reply to this post and I'll check them out...
it is possible to execute the TOP command and download the headers of mail and from the mail headers have it delete mail based on that. TOP 1 0, gives me just the mail headers. If I have 20 spam messages and I just get the headers of them I can delete all the spam and not download the whole message. I do this through my web based application that I have where I display the inbox I only get the headers. Maybe the soultion is to leave the mail on the server and only get the headers in the mail app and then select which messages I want to download after that. I could also set up filters based on these headers so that I never see the messages in my inbox that have lets say a character set that is in another language other then my own preference.
headers are usually less than 1k, but html spam is usually several k. This would cut down on my download time.
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The 'user agent' it the users mail program. This means that the users is not filtering out the data on the server. The server is only 'tagging mail'. The user still has to download the whole mail. Obviously your to stupid to understand a thing I am talking about. I am talking about a filter on the mail server that I set up that delete the mail from my inbox and I never ever see it. So in my case I would create a filter that says 'delete mail where charset like "korean"', then all mail that is coming from korea is deleted form the web server when it arrives at the pop mail account on the mail server.
My ISP uses the spaminator which reduces my spam by over 50%, but it is still not a filter that I set up for my account on their servers.
Its obvious from your post that it doesn't require brains to post on slashdot.
I suggested something like this a while ago. Server side filters accessable by ordinary users. People here said they have those, but misunderstand. Most server side mail filters apply to ALL accounts and are not accessable by users who have pop accounts. In fact I have not heard of an ISP implementing such an idea and I claim this as prior art for such an idea so don't even think of patenting it I'll sue.
It's simple, a users logs into their isp with a web based app that allows them to say filter out this that and blah. I'd use mail headers, and filter out korean character sets as that is where most of my spam lately comes from. Funny I can't even read it but the charset says korean.
I am leaning alot about smtp / pop and basically the only requirements are HELO, MAIL FROM, RCPT TO, DATA, QUIT, USER, PASS, etc. The protocols themselves are too stupid for most else. Filters on the server could also interfear with privacy. In order for them to filter mail they would have to have a mail scanning program. If they log this data then it becomes an provacy issue.
The real solution is better mail filters in the pop mail cleints. For a delete filter it may be better if the pop client were to call TOP and get the message header and then delete the message appropriately. I am working on a java implementation of this. My POP3 bean can do this, I just need to scan the headers.
And what is so irrational about it?
If we are all made up of matter and enery and matter and energy are neither created or destroyed. Then where does our energy go when we die?
Matter can change form to energy and energy to matter, so then we become part of the universe again.
We are all star stuff... (babylon 5)
I often wonder how dumb fundies really are.. and this just goes to show you .. very ...
Oh and for the record I am not a athesist, I am a spiritualist..
The QA part is a good seller. If you have only tested your stuff the way that you use it and someone else gets it they may test and use it differently. This helps you QA your stuff.
#include <stdlib.h>
Yeah, that does say it all. I have been working on such a thing. I have been attempting to do a cross platform library. So that it will at least be source compatible.
This is really difficult to do. If all you are doing is memcpy, file io, printf, then it is possible. If you get into sockets then it gets a little more machine dependant. Use log on and off, is even worse.
One option is to pick a cross platform C API. glib may work. I think there is a port to windows and if not it still should work under cigwin. Its speed is not that bad and it gives you things like sockets and linked lists and all the things you'd need for a daemon process or simple none gui program.
Also it was intersting to hear the interviews with RMS, BP, and ESR as well as Linus Torvalds.
It was also interesting that they were working on a kernel of their own, I guess the Hurd in about 1985, when Linus released his first kernel in 1991 or so. I may be off by a few years in the dates, it was a movie after all.
They even mentioned why their kernel took so long. They mentioned some of the issues with the microkernel and message passing. Also how the message passing was hard to manage.
For anyone who is interesed in Linux, BSD or open source of any kind, it is a good documentary.
The second possibility is that somoene look at all these patents and make improvements to them or challenge them and invalidate them. In makeing improvements to them they would have to be non obvious and not impleied. In the case that you invalidate them just come up with proior art.
I cant spell.. will slashdot include a spellchecker if I pay for the service???
I have been wanting a tellescops, but having looked through some of them the images that you get are not always that great. If I could get one of these and could get the images on my computer that would be so sweet.
A new desktop background every night ;-)
On anther note. Their pictures of mars looked blue and red and white. Really unique pictures.
There is an optional cgi monitoring program that by default will listen on port 7000 I believe.
www.apcupsd.org
I use it and I do not think it opens any other ports except that one and as I said you don't need to have the cgi on. There is a powerchute clone. It is open source so if it does open a port up you can close this.
Oh the only other reason you may have ports is if you have slave machines and a master on one ups and you want the master to shut the slaves down. The slaves and masters all have to open communications so that they can be told to shutdown. I think in apcupsd if you have no slaves then this is not an issue.
I'll also have to say that people are more open to the pen table today than they were years ago. There are many more such devices and many are used in the medical industry where all you need is a pen touch. Also UPS uses them, and so do other places like that.
In coding and word processing or email or the likes, the keyboard is probably the necessary medium. But when filling out a form that has all check boxes, like a medical document where they have mostly what medicines you are allergic to and they are just checking things off here and there the pen may be a good choice. Or even someplace that all you need is a signature like at cash registers a pen input is good.
I doubt that the pen will replace the keyboard anytime soon, but it may become another replacement for the mouse like the trackball is.
In order for pens to be useful the whole UI will need to change.
Take a palm device for instance. I can't see any need for a keyboard (yes they do have them). I don't enter in large amounts of data into my palm, I only do small notes. Most things I do are all point and click things so a pen is useful in this case.
However as I TYPE this message to slashdot, I think that the keyboard is more useful. It is easier for me to type after doing so for so many years than using palm's grafitti(sp).
One thing to remeber is that most Americans who go to school learn to use a pen before they learn to type. (Most not all). I am not sure how it is in other countries. Also typing is known to be a cause of CTS, or at least believed to be. If I had a handwriting recgonition input device for my desktop I may be tempted to switch to it even it it was slower, because in time I would probably get better with it as I have with typing. This is assuming that the UI was geared to handwriting and not mouse and keyboard input.
I'd agree that it is probably not true, and I too will hang on to my keyboard for now, but I look forward to the day where someone creates an effect GUI that does not require a keyboard.
Not for everyone though and not all of the source as I understand it. I heard they do this for Win CE and it was a recent thing. If they do sell the source it is not very heavily advertised. And if they do, then how much is the source for Win 2k?
Personally I don't think they could do it. See the movie Revolution OS, which has ESR, RMS, Linus T, and Bruce P. They actually dealt with Billy gates back in teh 70's about this issue. Billy said "Open Source is a bad business model" back then. How can anyone make money off of it. It is a good movie to see if you want a better understanding of where they all were coming from.
Also there are a number of places that do stuff like this with Linux as they have networks of computers. Try going to linuxdoc.org and readding the howtoos... http://linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/howtos.html
Also read this howto http://linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/KickStart-HOWTO.html as it is about the RH kickstart. It talks about network installs and nfs install as well.
I do think that the 'newness' of Java for a C++ programmer and the ease of moving from C++ to Java would, assuming you like Java when you start using it, make you more excited about your job. Most programmers like to program and the newness of a new language that makes things that you used to do so easy can get you hipped up and excited. NetBSD did that for me and I have been a long term Linux user. Before that I was a windows user. I think it is the whole learning thing and the 'I feel so good cause I learned this so quick'. of course after using Linux for so long BSD and other unies are so easy to move to.
On another note, I cound't see this site, it said I had to upgrade my browser. To nextscape 4. Funny I'm running mozila 9.9, what the f***!
storage is cheap, cpu time is limited. Especially on a multi user box. Think of 100 people asking for a file that has to be converted 100 times. that is a lot of expensive CPU. Even using AMD you still need the machines to go with the CPU. that adds up.
you dont need a calculator, you just create your own 'hash' table. Like a = f, b = g, etc, or you can do a random thing and map a = g, b= d, etc.. All you need is a peice of paper and a pencil.
Also more sizes. For people who have high bandwidth it would ber nice to be able to see the clips at about 640x480 or something larger.
If you are talking about swaping out a drive that is running your OS I'd say forget it. I don't think most IDE are made for that.
Yes there probably are open source alternatives. Try some of these:
http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=message+board&sec ti on=projects
Also try searching sourceforge.net. The problem that you may find is not the software, but the hardware. You'll have to set up your own server.
Well not the whole country. I only use windows at work and maybe one a month at home. Linux and BSD are great alternatives to those who can live withouth Office.
What I find a real shame is that instead of complaining about having to ship with windows, they should try shipping with both Linux or BSD and windows. Then they will be giving the users a real opportunity to choose.
One of the reasons that BE failed was that it did not have a big enough company behind it that sold preinstalled be systems. Dell and gateway used to sell Linux on their computers, and I think Dell still does on servers, but to many people are hooked to office and NOT windows. This is why I really think that if Mac were to port carbon and cocoa dn its gui to intel and compete with M$ on PC hardware it would be a true alternative to Windows that many would probably switch to. Assuming M$ would develop office on OS X.