well I ask you what distribution has done as much as Redhat has for the Linux communbity other than debian? Certainly not SUSE?
redhat brought us Gnome. They rejected KDE until the QT liscense was acceptable.
what has suse done? brought us a few drivers maybe.. Yast is you like yast (I do but, yast is no reason to buy a distro)
yes there are some plusses in SUSE, but IMHO they are not a GNU/LINUX kind of people... debian, slackware, and Redhat are thou.... TL is more GNU than SUSE....
I tried there SUSE 6.0 from linuxmall.. it only had half of what was in there ftp site, and that was because SUSE TOLD linux mall what to put on the cdrom.. as they told everyone else.. like cheepbytes, and linuxcentral..
sorry but every 4 months each of these companies comes out with a new distro, that upgrades some files, has more packages, and stuff, and fixes old bugs.. that to me is great.. I always have the most up to date software.. if I can afford to spend $30 to $50 dollars on a distro.. that comes to $90 to $150 a year.. thats why I want the cheep cdroms.... I don't have the time to download 1.2 Gigs of files form an ftp site, nor do I want my computer to be connected on line all that time, if I did I'd set up a server, not a workstation..
since SUSE 6.0 ftp cdroms were 'evaluation' and inclomplete, I do not feel that they support the OS community very well.. they have copyrighted Yast, how OS is that? people who could improve / add to Yast are provented... Redhat uses Linux conf which works on almost any distro including SuSE and can be turned off (so can Yast)..
use SUSE if you want.. but I will be using Redhat.. till a better distro comes along... or when debian goes rpm, and has an easier install (LOL)
I found bugs in SUSE 6.0 and sent them in and got no help, becuase I was not a registered user, you'd think they would want ot fix there bugs, but no.. so I went to RH5.2 and when I found bugs in there stuff I reported it thru there bugzilla.. they emailed me and helped me.. EVEN THOUGH I AM NOT REGISTERED USER.. I do not care about how anyone bad mouths Redhat, they are doing more for Linux than any other distro. Yes they have there bugs, as do all distros, but so far the still seem to believe in the OPEN SOURCE / "LINUX" way... if debian was easier to install I'd probably go with it over Redhat... SUSE sells demo cds also which is bad (IMHO) they tell companies like Linuxmall and Linuxcentral, what to put on there ftp cdroms, DON'T be fooled by an SUSE 1.89 cdrom.. it is probably only half the files on the ftp site.. I used to use then, and they are just out for money, it seems what have they done for Linux lately?
does it also get the blue screen of death award (bsod) also?? this is given to any OS that can crash and render a system completely unusable until the maker (in this case M$) sells you "for lots of money" the fix....... (I am not talking about hte service pack either).. NT is better than 95/98 in its security, but not by much.... I can still delete other users profiles on my machine.. unless you have root access under *nix you cannot do that....
Four Front Tech / OSS. They are not free drivers. I have a question. If I buy a sound blaster Sound card shouldn't the drivers come from Creative? OSS is getting no help from Creative so this is not really support it is a 'front' to support. It is a put-on. I am disappointed in Creative. Real support woudl be them helping OSS or them supplying the drivers themselves.
Well I just got my AWE64 to work. there is support for it in the 2.2 kernels. So if you are using 2.2 I'd recommend going with the AWE64 before a SB16. the AWE64 is full duplex. You'll need to set up pnp, but that is not that difficult. once you have set upi a pnpconf file, you can load the modules,, soundcore, soundlow, sound, uart401, sb, awe_wave, opl3. When loading the sb you'll need to pass a few parameters to it, you will alsohave to pass parameters to the opl3, as well...
it works pretty good... I do not know about support for the other SB cards, I have heard that som eof the PCI cards will work....
hmm , now Linux has a penguin and a dragon.. will they fight? will the penguin shoot the dragon? or will the dragon bake the penguin and eat him for dinner? (ROTFLOL)
stay tuned....
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1 - Parents do not know what there kids are doing these days. They have the kids and expect society to raise them. Then when something goes wrong they blame tv, the movies, the internet etc. instead of accepting the fact that they do not know who there kids are or what they are doing.
2 - Why are parents not stopping there kids from useing the internet unsupervised? If they cannot supervie the kids, put computer in an open room, like the kitchen or the tv room, or somewhere where in the house where the parents are to monitor there childrens use to some extent?
3 - Why do I see 4 and 5 year old children WITH THERE PARENTS at R rated movies or movies that are rated pg - 13? Because the parents don't give a s***! Some of these people haveing children out there should not be having sex let alone breeding.
4 - Why get HBO and cable tv and expect them to monitor what your kids are able to watch? What are they that stupid? I PAY for HBO, I know it shows graphic R movies and late night porn. If you have kids, and don't want them to watch that stuff, put the cable box in the parents room, and put a lock on the parents bedroom door.
5 - The fact is that children should be raise by there parents NOT the Television, NOT the movie theaters, not the internet, BUT PARENTS!
6 - Schools cannot be blamed for all the problems that children have. Children only spend 1/3 of there days at school, and teachers have 30 children to watch, where as parent have what.. 2?
I am tired of hearing how society is responsible for everything. I hate the idea of censorship of television, and especially the internet.
Wise up it is time to take responsibility for your children (parents) and instill morality at the home!
The internet is not the problem!, the problems is that parent have lost touch with there children. These parents did not even know that there children were part of the trenchcoat mafia. That shows how out of touch they are with there children.
Wake up and smell the distro... Mandrake Linux is based on redhat, infact they say it is basically redhat + kde merged in with it. It adds a ew packages to Redhat, bu tit is basically redhat,, you may want ot check out there site....
The article lacks a few things, but it is fairly decent.
Why is RH the most popular? Probably because it was first to use rpm, which has also become very popular. Once you learn how to make your own packages, and use rpm,it can become pretty useful, in testing packages, and such, and it can also be a real b****.
All the basing of RH also makes me wonder why? Doesn't RH support the GNOME movement? Don't they still support the OS model? Which is why they did not initially use KDE because of its qt liscense? This was a good things cause it freed up the qt liscense some.
NOW ABOUT THE ARTICLE
There are more differences in the distributions than the article states. They differ in how they arrange the/etc file system for starters. SuSE does it there way RH does it there way, Slackware does it his way, and Debian and Caldera each have there own way of doing things. This makes the boot process different slightly for each machine. Also they differ in there compiler optimizations, I believe that SuSE uses 586 or 686 compiler optimizations when compiling there code (not 100% sure). This can change the behavior on a 486/386. They have different package tools, (I am beginning to like linuxconf, although it is not as easy to use as SuSE Yast.)
There are differences in the locations of libraries, packageing utilities (rpm, deb, tgz), and even differences in kernel patches too.
RH 5.2 has modular sound in 2.0.36 kernel which is used in the 2.2 kernels, sSuSE applies there own patches to the kernel but they also include a 'defacto' kernel.
Why Redhat for me?
I chose RH because it was the most popular, BUT ONLY AFTER TRYING THE OTHER DISTRINBUTIONS!
Most people who make packages make.rpm or tar.gz and include a spec file it seems. The.rpm are almost always called the 'Redhat' package and then they offer the source. I have not seen someone offer just a.deb or a Slacware.tgz package and the source.tar.gz.
Redhat is the most popular not because it has squeezed other distros out of the market, but because it has been the most inovative, unlike M$ which threatens other companies financally, and buys out its competition. RH cannot buy out its competition. Another distro would pop up in its place, and the source is all over the internet.
Yes RH has its bugs, and I have found (from personal experience) that when a bug it reported thru bugzilla tracking they work with you to help fix it. You benifit adn they benifit, it is a symbiotic relationship (look it up moron!). SuSE never did that with me. ( btw these are ftp downloaded distros that I have tried, never bought the official anything).
So next time you are ready to bash one distro over another ask your self why are people using this one and not this other one?
It seems that alsmost any software will compile on my RH system, where as I had problems with other distros, such as Slackware, and SuSE. Debian was just to complicated to install and do package management with deb for me, so I did not spend to muc time with it. Glint was easier (not perfect but easier).
As I have said before I tried TL, deb, SUSE, RH, Slackware, and Caldera, and Linuxpro, and found RH to be the one that satisfies my needs. Again it has it weaknesses, but it has many strenghts too.
THIS is MY HUMBLE OPINION.. you don't have to agree with it, and you certainly cannot change it!
RH seems to be a bleeding edge kind of company, they were on eof ht efirst ot go to glibc2, and rpm, and others followed, SUSE ahs some old libs in there 6.0 distro, and it can slow down a system, in some cases, or make you have to install 2 versions of a package which sucks. SUSE is way eaiser to administer adn YAST is the best setup tool linux has to offer, to bad that they do not GPL it.
redhat (IMHO) is (IMHO) not a bad distribution. I have tried debain, slackware, suse, redhat, caldera, and linux pro, as well as turbolinux, and so far RH 5.2 is my choice.. the upgrade from 5.1 was supper easy with no problems, which is where slackware lacks.. debain is also good, but deselect is where it lacks . debian is not for a newbie... turbolinux is not to bad however they sufer from a similar problem as debain.. try a custom install when you don't now what the 2000+ packages are or wha tyou should or should not install.. however TL is better than debina in that respect..
Redhat, is simply one of the more well thought out distros.. BUT that is not to say that all distros will not get better...
when I use a computer I want stability Linux has this Windows does sometime when it wants to . I look for ease of use, I really do not want to spend a month trying to configure my system, well windows tries, and so do some of the linux distros (like RH).. I look for programs, well linux has them coming but that is where it still lacks....
Me thinks that he is a wee bit scared of Linux an dthe good job that Redhat does at packaging Linux. After all isn't SCO supposed to be the UNIX for the PC, but now Linux is quickly taking that spot from SCO.
Redhat has also contributed to the Linux community, buy employing some of its developers, at RH LABS and RH. I do not think that thay are doing a bad thing by selling there version of Linux, cause they also offer then fro download, and you can always get a cheepie cdrom from several Linux venders. The cheepie cdroms have everything from there ftp site, usually too...
If Linux becomes more popular SCO may disappear completely.. I think that is what he is most afraid of....
the company I work for has computer based training on sql so cannot recommend a book...
however it is as easy as
select colume-name from table-name where condition is true..
there is a bit more than that.. the best place to get books is with the db.. ie Oracle has a collection of books that you can get when you get there dabase software..
The problem with M$ is that any technology that they invent is for there own operating system, so if they get a new format on teh web, people on other platforms will not be able to hear it unless M$ wants them to...
I hope that since real is already a big player tha it stays that way, and I am waiting for them to port G2 player to linux...
I have a SB AWE 64, sound card and am trying to get it to work with the 2.2.5 kernel. It recognizes half of the devices but not the AWE. I have/dev/dsp reecognized, but when it boots up it it says AWE not found. It used to work under 2.0.36, but now I am using 2.2 and there are new sound drivers. I have configured the kernel the way it explains in the kernel sources Documentation/sound dir, enabling the options it describes to. I have a conf.modules. It loads the sb correctly (soundcode, soundlow, sound, sb). It does not load the opl3 at all but I can manually load it or load it.
The main problem is when it tries to load the awe_wave, the module gets loaded but the AWE device is not found. Any help on this would be greatly appreciated, and email can be sent to joeja@mindspring.com
Anyone have an "up-to-date" howto with the new kernel 2.2's?????????????
I have been able to run it under windows, several times, but not under Linux..
it looks good, and runs okay, seems a bit slower than 4.5, but I imagine that will get worked out before it gets released.
it renders slashdot pretty nicely it seems...
I am just wondering if releaseing it next year will be too late.. IE 5.0 beta is out, and will probably be relased by the summer this year. it will probably ship with win2000.. but who will use win 2000?
I have a NT 4.0 drive that is vfat. so when I read this I decided to test it.
I umount my NT partition as I had been mounting it as msdos. (umount/ntfat)
then I mounted it.
mount -t vfat/dev/hda1/ntfat
it worked, with long filenames and everything looks pretty cool.. oh my NT partition is vfat32 not NTFS. when I originally installed NT I wanted to be able to use msdos atleast.
both msdos and vfat will work, but vfat shows the long filenames.
I have now just changed my fstab to mount the drive as vfat from now on...
Wow if that is true that one wil have to pay fpor service packs then that will become an even more expensive operating system.. will people go for that ?
is this a joke?.. for there sake I hope so...
hell ther OS is not worth $89, let alone a sevice pack.... just another reason to keep using Linux.....
guess there not trying to woo anyone ther way.. they must think that they are the only solution...
Someone please tell me then what my SMP linux box has been doing for the past year or so??? and why does it tell me I have 2 processors, and why does it tell me which processor is running what process? (with a kernel patch)
is this guy a total M$ idiot or is he just pretending?
next he'll be telling us that UNIX is a new operating system, and that M$ has ben around for 100 years...
well I have installed several different distributions, and RH is one of the easier ones to install, along with slackware. I have found that SUSE is probably the easiest to install thou.(IMHO)
in comparison with windows, I think that windows is slightly easier to install, the problem is that most people here have mentioned installing Windows, then Linux, while try it the other way around, try installing Linux then windows, and you will find that windows does not want to sit as a second operating system, and this can be a pain... hey windows does not give a choice of installing a boot sector, it just does, at least not last time I checked...
it is true that more people understand C, D as drive letters instead of/dev/hda, or/dev/hdb or/dev/hda1, and that leads to cinfusion on the mount points. I have had someone tell me that they started with RH5.0 and they stopped when it got to this point cause they were not sure what this meant, where as D would have ben easier to understand.
configuation
I found SUSE the easies to configure as YAST does almost everything. Linuxconf is okay, but a bit overwhelming if you are not a techie thou (Incidentally I use RH5.2 now as SuSE6.0 had to many staticly linked pgms and old libs maybe 6.1 or 6.2 sometime later)
having to configure files using a text editor as opposed to the windows control panel is not for most, and RH does have some configuraton pgms (control-panel) the problem is that Linux is still UNIX. Many people don't know if they need inetd, or at, or cron running much less what they are, and they really don't want to know. They are familiar with mouse, modem, sounds, fonts etc...
using
well I have a friend and he sat down at my Linux workstation and I showed him how to dial using xisp, and use netscape, and he was impressed at how fast my machine was compared to his windows crashstation. He viewed his favorite sites. And he had no problems, using my workstation. There are several programs that I have that are like that for Linux that are just as easy to use as windows progams, but thger is not the variety that these is for windows.
the drawbacks
installation is usually for dual boot, which makes it harder, to install second OS the neds to be made easier.. maybe the install could say/dev/hda1 = your 'C' Drive/dev/hda2 = your 'D' drive
configuration programs need to allow users to configure everything in an easy to understand manor thru a GUI ( I use the command line)..Lets face it a windows user is not looking for a command line they are looking for the easy point and click.. B.G. saw that in Mac years ago and stole that idea.. look where he is today.. KDE and GNOME are starts, they really need to merge into one GUI standard,
cant we all just get along?..
wouldn't it be nice if you could configure your desktop easily using different parts of all the various window managers out there? Thus makeing unique to you (Admin nightmare here)
using Linux is not that bad most GUI pgms for Linux that I have seen lately are really pretty good.. modeled after windows, whihc gives users somewhat familiarity
well this is my humble opinion.. being a windows user for 5 or more years and a Linux/unix user for 3 years.. I love my Linux workstations, and with that there were more drivers out there, and more programs.. may the best OS win..
You have got to be kidding.... shouldn't this be on segfault.org? Up to the point where RMS accepts a position at M$ you may fool people... RMS work for M$ that's a hoot!
It looks like a rather interesting home, only problem is that is is probably in the middle of nowhere, and it youhad windows undergound you'd see dirt (lol)./. score = 1 ?
I have tried all the 'major' distributions. RedHat, SuSE, Slackware, Debian, and TurboLinux. I have found that Slackware and SuSE are the two that were easier to install, and Redhat came in 3. (IMHO)
Having tried Debian, I found its install very difficult. Deselect is not 'user friendly'.(IMHO)
First something to remember and for newbies to realize is that Linux is UNIX. Linux has cron, it has ls, it uses the same commands as UNIX, and basically it is UNIX. The big differences are that Linux is free or available at a relatively low price; it is available for most hardware (many versions exist on intel platform thou); some versions of Linux have a relatively easy to install.
Having used NT/95, Solaris, SCO, AIX, MAC, and various Linux versions, no operating system is completely user friendly. Adding hardware to any system can be either easy or a chore. Installing any sytem can take and hour or a day.
Now about the article. Who is Debian trying to target as there audience? If they are going for experienced users then maybe they need a warning label "caution this distribution is not for newbies" (LOL). The fact is that most of what you can do in debian you can do in any other distribution.
So why pick Debain over another distribution? I have been using Linux for several years now almost 3. I have just switched to RH because I want the stability of Linux with 'less' adminstration. I feel I know enought about *NIX to do with any distro (even Solaris, or AIX) what I do on Linux.
I like my GUI thou.... I like to do administration thru my GUI. I do not have time anymore to be screwing on my computer to get it to work, I need a workstartion that works and functions, not to tinker with and change stuff. Once a *NIX system is installed it is a matter of editing the right files.. Yes I have used vi and occasionally still do, but I also wrote my own editor in tcl/tk to make editing of these files a lot easier that is like notepad for windows. Cutting, copying, pasting from files is easier in a GUI than vi(IMHO), especially when using multiple windows. Yes I used win 3.1, but I also edited all those ini files, and batch scripts so that my machaine would do what I wanted it to do. Now I edit registry files and/etc/rc.d files too.
so who is this person to say screw the newbies? Linux is not for Newbies, it is for peole who want a real operating system. Pepl who can handle having power OS and know what to do with it. It is also for serious network adminstrators.
If a newbie want ot learn Linux I agree with him start with slackware or SuSE or Redhat. They are easiest to install, and have tools for administering. However when a user gets more familiar with man, xterm.
I user the GUI more and more often these days, but still write batch scripts to automate things like compiling a new kernel.
If this person want to stay on the command line let him, and i hope the command line stays around ther are times when it is needed to just do it on console.
what keeps me with Linux is that I find it does out perform NT/95. I have a DUAL boot, and Linux works better!
I also find my self getting on line to find information on configuring this or configuring that, still after 3 years. There is no way a newbie should be using Debain. I'd be suipprised if he got it installed. It was a real pain when I tried it after using slackware for 2 years.
well debain canot ignore the newbies, but they shodl suggest that the newbies start learning Linux with another distribution or get readdy to read... hey my bookmarks are metalab.unc.edu/LDP, and www.linux.org.. those are the first two places I hit for info, and start reading HOWTO...
so run that script and come back to you machine in an hour.... Linux is still for developers
Slashdot Mirror
I'll probably get flamed for this...
well I ask you what distribution has done as much as Redhat has for the Linux communbity other than debian? Certainly not SUSE?
redhat brought us Gnome. They rejected KDE until the QT liscense was acceptable.
what has suse done? brought us a few drivers maybe .. Yast is you like yast (I do but, yast is no reason to buy a distro)
yes there are some plusses in SUSE, but IMHO they are not a GNU/LINUX kind of people... debian, slackware, and Redhat are thou.... TL is more GNU than SUSE....
I tried there SUSE 6.0 from linuxmall.. it only had half of what was in there ftp site, and that was because SUSE TOLD linux mall what to put on the cdrom.. as they told everyone else.. like cheepbytes, and linuxcentral..
sorry but every 4 months each of these companies comes out with a new distro, that upgrades some files, has more packages, and stuff, and fixes old bugs.. that to me is great.. I always have the most up to date software.. if I can afford to spend $30 to $50 dollars on a distro.. that comes to $90 to $150 a year.. thats why I want the cheep cdroms .... I don't have the time to download 1.2 Gigs of files form an ftp site, nor do I want my computer to be connected on line all that time, if I did I'd set up a server, not a workstation..
since SUSE 6.0 ftp cdroms were 'evaluation' and inclomplete, I do not feel that they support the OS community very well.. they have copyrighted Yast, how OS is that? people who could improve / add to Yast are provented... Redhat uses Linux conf which works on almost any distro including SuSE and can be turned off (so can Yast)..
use SUSE if you want.. but I will be using Redhat.. till a better distro comes along... or when debian goes rpm, and has an easier install (LOL)
I found bugs in SUSE 6.0 and sent them in and got no help, becuase I was not a registered user, you'd think they would want ot fix there bugs, but no.. so I went to RH5.2 and when I found bugs in there stuff I reported it thru there bugzilla.. they emailed me and helped me.. EVEN THOUGH I AM NOT REGISTERED USER.. I do not care about how anyone bad mouths Redhat, they are doing more for Linux than any other distro. Yes they have there bugs, as do all distros, but so far the still seem to believe in the OPEN SOURCE / "LINUX" way... if debian was easier to install I'd probably go with it over Redhat... SUSE sells demo cds also which is bad (IMHO) they tell companies like Linuxmall and Linuxcentral, what to put on there ftp cdroms, DON'T be fooled by an SUSE 1.89 cdrom.. it is probably only half the files on the ftp site.. I used to use then, and they are just out for money, it seems what have they done for Linux lately?
does it also get the blue screen of death award (bsod) also?? this is given to any OS that can crash and render a system completely unusable until the maker (in this case M$) sells you "for lots of money" the fix....... (I am not talking about hte service pack either).. NT is better than 95/98 in its security, but not by much.... I can still delete other users profiles on my machine.. unless you have root access under *nix you cannot do that ....
cable modems are great for downloading, but there are a few problems with able modems
the first is the obvious one from this article that you cannot have a cable modem without cable, they obviously can't handle the technology
the second is that the up load bandwidth is not that great, it is great for downloads, but not uploads ..
next is that you are always connected unless the cable companies put in a switch to turn it on and off.. this can leave you open to crackers...
Four Front Tech / OSS. They are not free drivers. I have a question. If I buy a sound blaster Sound card shouldn't the drivers come from Creative? OSS is getting no help from Creative so this is not really support it is a 'front' to support. It is a put-on. I am disappointed in Creative. Real support woudl be them helping OSS or them supplying the drivers themselves.
Well I just got my AWE64 to work. there is support for it in the 2.2 kernels. So if you are using 2.2 I'd recommend going with the AWE64 before a SB16. the AWE64 is full duplex. You'll need to set up pnp, but that is not that difficult. once you have set upi a pnpconf file, you can load the modules,, soundcore, soundlow, sound, uart401, sb, awe_wave, opl3. When loading the sb you'll need to pass a few parameters to it, you will alsohave to pass parameters to the opl3, as well...
it works pretty good ... I do not know about support for the other SB cards, I have heard that som eof the PCI cards will work ....
hmm , now Linux has a penguin and a dragon.. will they fight? will the penguin shoot the dragon? or will the dragon bake the penguin and eat him for dinner? (ROTFLOL)
stay tuned ....
1 - Parents do not know what there kids are doing these days. They have the kids and expect society to raise them. Then when something goes wrong they blame tv, the movies, the internet etc. instead of accepting the fact that they do not know who there kids are or what they are doing.
2 - Why are parents not stopping there kids from useing the internet unsupervised? If they cannot supervie the kids, put computer in an open room, like the kitchen or the tv room, or somewhere where in the house where the parents are to monitor there childrens use to some extent?
3 - Why do I see 4 and 5 year old children WITH THERE PARENTS at R rated movies or movies that are rated pg - 13? Because the parents don't give a s***! Some of these people haveing children out there should not be having sex let alone breeding.
4 - Why get HBO and cable tv and expect them to monitor what your kids are able to watch? What are they that stupid? I PAY for HBO, I know it shows graphic R movies and late night porn. If you have kids, and don't want them to watch that stuff, put the cable box in the parents room, and put a lock on the parents bedroom door.
5 - The fact is that children should be raise by there parents NOT the Television, NOT the movie theaters, not the internet, BUT PARENTS!
6 - Schools cannot be blamed for all the problems that children have. Children only spend 1/3 of there days at school, and teachers have 30 children to watch, where as parent have what.. 2?
I am tired of hearing how society is responsible for everything. I hate the idea of censorship of television, and especially the internet.
The internet is not the problem!, the problems is that parent have lost touch with there children. These parents did not even know that there children were part of the trenchcoat mafia. That shows how out of touch they are with there children.
Wake up and smell the distro... Mandrake Linux is based on redhat, infact they say it is basically redhat + kde merged in with it. It adds a ew packages to Redhat, bu tit is basically redhat,, you may want ot check out there site....
The article lacks a few things, but it is fairly decent.
Why is RH the most popular? Probably because it was first to use rpm, which has also become very popular. Once you learn how to make your own packages, and use rpm ,it can become pretty useful, in testing packages, and such, and it can also be a real b****.
All the basing of RH also makes me wonder why? Doesn't RH support the GNOME movement? Don't they still support the OS model? Which is why they did not initially use KDE because of its qt liscense? This was a good things cause it freed up the qt liscense some.
There are more differences in the distributions than the article states. They differ in how they arrange the /etc file system for starters. SuSE does it there way RH does it there way, Slackware does it his way, and Debian and Caldera each have there own way of doing things. This makes the boot process different slightly for each machine. Also they differ in there compiler optimizations, I believe that SuSE uses 586 or 686 compiler optimizations when compiling there code (not 100% sure). This can change the behavior on a 486/386. They have different package tools, (I am beginning to like linuxconf, although it is not as easy to use as SuSE Yast.)
There are differences in the locations of libraries, packageing utilities (rpm, deb, tgz), and even differences in kernel patches too.
RH 5.2 has modular sound in 2.0.36 kernel which is used in the 2.2 kernels, sSuSE applies there own patches to the kernel but they also include a 'defacto' kernel.
I chose RH because it was the most popular, BUT ONLY AFTER TRYING THE OTHER DISTRINBUTIONS!
Most people who make packages make .rpm or tar.gz and include a spec file it seems. The .rpm are almost always called the 'Redhat' package and then they offer the source. I have not seen someone offer just a .deb or a Slacware .tgz package and the source.tar.gz.
Redhat is the most popular not because it has squeezed other distros out of the market, but because it has been the most inovative, unlike M$ which threatens other companies financally, and buys out its competition. RH cannot buy out its competition. Another distro would pop up in its place, and the source is all over the internet.
Yes RH has its bugs, and I have found (from personal experience) that when a bug it reported thru bugzilla tracking they work with you to help fix it. You benifit adn they benifit, it is a symbiotic relationship (look it up moron!). SuSE never did that with me. ( btw these are ftp downloaded distros that I have tried, never bought the official anything).
So next time you are ready to bash one distro over another ask your self why are people using this one and not this other one?
It seems that alsmost any software will compile on my RH system, where as I had problems with other distros, such as Slackware, and SuSE. Debian was just to complicated to install and do package management with deb for me, so I did not spend to muc time with it. Glint was easier (not perfect but easier).
As I have said before I tried TL, deb, SUSE, RH, Slackware, and Caldera, and Linuxpro, and found RH to be the one that satisfies my needs. Again it has it weaknesses, but it has many strenghts too.
THIS is MY HUMBLE OPINION.. you don't have to agree with it, and you certainly cannot change it!
In some areas yes.. in other areas no..
RH seems to be a bleeding edge kind of company, they were on eof ht efirst ot go to glibc2, and rpm, and others followed, SUSE ahs some old libs in there 6.0 distro, and it can slow down a system, in some cases, or make you have to install 2 versions of a package which sucks. SUSE is way eaiser to administer adn YAST is the best setup tool linux has to offer, to bad that they do not GPL it.
redhat (IMHO) is (IMHO) not a bad distribution. I have tried debain, slackware, suse, redhat, caldera, and linux pro, as well as turbolinux, and so far RH 5.2 is my choice.. the upgrade from 5.1 was supper easy with no problems, which is where slackware lacks.. debain is also good, but deselect is where it lacks . debian is not for a newbie... turbolinux is not to bad however they sufer from a similar problem as debain.. try a custom install when you don't now what the 2000+ packages are or wha tyou should or should not install.. however TL is better than debina in that respect..
Redhat, is simply one of the more well thought out distros.. BUT that is not to say that all distros will not get better ...
when I use a computer I want stability Linux has this Windows does sometime when it wants to . I look for ease of use, I really do not want to spend a month trying to configure my system, well windows tries, and so do some of the linux distros (like RH).. I look for programs, well linux has them coming but that is where it still lacks....
no SUSE is not better...
Me thinks that he is a wee bit scared of Linux an dthe good job that Redhat does at packaging Linux. After all isn't SCO supposed to be the UNIX for the PC, but now Linux is quickly taking that spot from SCO.
Redhat has also contributed to the Linux community, buy employing some of its developers, at RH LABS and RH. I do not think that thay are doing a bad thing by selling there version of Linux, cause they also offer then fro download, and you can always get a cheepie cdrom from several Linux venders. The cheepie cdroms have everything from there ftp site, usually too...
If Linux becomes more popular SCO may disappear completely.. I think that is what he is most afraid of....
SQL is pretty easy.
the company I work for has computer based training on sql so cannot recommend a book...
however it is as easy as
there is a bit more than that .. the best place to get books is with the db.. ie Oracle has a collection of books that you can get when you get there dabase software..
The problem with M$ is that any technology that they invent is for there own operating system, so if they get a new format on teh web, people on other platforms will not be able to hear it unless M$ wants them to...
I hope that since real is already a big player tha it stays that way, and I am waiting for them to port G2 player to linux...
Since we are on a SB topic.
I have a SB AWE 64, sound card and am trying to get it to work with the 2.2.5 kernel. It recognizes half of the devices but not the AWE. I have /dev/dsp reecognized, but when it boots up it it says AWE not found. It used to work under 2.0.36, but now I am using 2.2 and there are new sound drivers. I have configured the kernel the way it explains in the kernel sources Documentation/sound dir, enabling the options it describes to. I have a conf.modules. It loads the sb correctly (soundcode, soundlow, sound, sb). It does not load the opl3 at all but I can manually load it or load it.
The main problem is when it tries to load the awe_wave, the module gets loaded but the AWE device is not found. Any help on this would be greatly appreciated, and email can be sent to joeja@mindspring.com
Anyone have an "up-to-date" howto with the new kernel 2.2's?????????????
I have been able to run it under windows, several times, but not under Linux..
it looks good, and runs okay, seems a bit slower than 4.5, but I imagine that will get worked out before it gets released.
it renders slashdot pretty nicely it seems...
I am just wondering if releaseing it next year will be too late.. IE 5.0 beta is out, and will probably be relased by the summer this year. it will probably ship with win2000.. but who will use win 2000?
I have a NT 4.0 drive that is vfat. so when I read this I decided to test it.
I umount my NT partition as I had been mounting it as msdos. (umount /ntfat)
then I mounted it.
it worked, with long filenames and everything looks pretty cool.. oh my NT partition is vfat32 not NTFS. when I originally installed NT I wanted to be able to use msdos atleast.
both msdos and vfat will work, but vfat shows the long filenames.
I have now just changed my fstab to mount the drive as vfat from now on...
quick get the code into wine, make it more stable and the we can rn all those windows programs in Linux adn they will hopefully not crash X.....
Wow if that is true that one wil have to pay fpor service packs then that will become an even more expensive operating system.. will people go for that ?
is this a joke? .. for there sake I hope so...
hell ther OS is not worth $89, let alone a sevice pack.... just another reason to keep using Linux.....
guess there not trying to woo anyone ther way.. they must think that they are the only solution...
and guess what... you cant do most of that on NT either
Someone please tell me then what my SMP linux box has been doing for the past year or so??? and why does it tell me I have 2 processors, and why does it tell me which processor is running what process? (with a kernel patch)
is this guy a total M$ idiot or is he just pretending?
next he'll be telling us that UNIX is a new operating system, and that M$ has ben around for 100 years...
this guy is a total dips---
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using Linux is not that bad most GUI pgms for Linux that I have seen lately are really pretty good .. modeled after windows, whihc gives users somewhat familiarity
well this is my humble opinion.. being a windows user for 5 or more years and a Linux/unix user for 3 years.. I love my Linux workstations, and with that there were more drivers out there, and more programs .. may the best OS win..
You have got to be kidding.... shouldn't this be on segfault.org? Up to the point where RMS accepts a position at M$ you may fool people... RMS work for M$ that's a hoot!
It looks like a rather interesting home, only problem is that is is probably in the middle of nowhere, and it youhad windows undergound you'd see dirt (lol). /. score = 1 ?
I have tried all the 'major' distributions. RedHat, SuSE, Slackware, Debian, and TurboLinux. I have found that Slackware and SuSE are the two that were easier to install, and Redhat came in 3. (IMHO)
Having tried Debian, I found its install very difficult. Deselect is not 'user friendly'.(IMHO)
First something to remember and for newbies to realize is that Linux is UNIX. Linux has cron, it has ls, it uses the same commands as UNIX, and basically it is UNIX. The big differences are that Linux is free or available at a relatively low price; it is available for most hardware (many versions exist on intel platform thou); some versions of Linux have a relatively easy to install.
Having used NT/95, Solaris, SCO, AIX, MAC, and various Linux versions, no operating system is completely user friendly. Adding hardware to any system can be either easy or a chore. Installing any sytem can take and hour or a day.
Now about the article. Who is Debian trying to target as there audience? If they are going for experienced users then maybe they need a warning label "caution this distribution is not for newbies" (LOL). The fact is that most of what you can do in debian you can do in any other distribution.
So why pick Debain over another distribution? I have been using Linux for several years now almost 3. I have just switched to RH because I want the stability of Linux with 'less' adminstration. I feel I know enought about *NIX to do with any distro (even Solaris, or AIX) what I do on Linux.
I like my GUI thou.... I like to do administration thru my GUI. I do not have time anymore to be screwing on my computer to get it to work, I need a workstartion that works and functions, not to tinker with and change stuff. Once a *NIX system is installed it is a matter of editing the right files.. Yes I have used vi and occasionally still do, but I also wrote my own editor in tcl/tk to make editing of these files a lot easier that is like notepad for windows. Cutting, copying, pasting from files is easier in a GUI than vi(IMHO), especially when using multiple windows. Yes I used win 3.1, but I also edited all those ini files, and batch scripts so that my machaine would do what I wanted it to do. Now I edit registry files and /etc/rc.d files too.
so who is this person to say screw the newbies? Linux is not for Newbies, it is for peole who want a real operating system. Pepl who can handle having power OS and know what to do with it. It is also for serious network adminstrators.
If a newbie want ot learn Linux I agree with him start with slackware or SuSE or Redhat. They are easiest to install, and have tools for administering. However when a user gets more familiar with man, xterm.
I user the GUI more and more often these days, but still write batch scripts to automate things like compiling a new kernel.
If this person want to stay on the command line let him, and i hope the command line stays around ther are times when it is needed to just do it on console.
what keeps me with Linux is that I find it does out perform NT/95. I have a DUAL boot, and Linux works better!
I also find my self getting on line to find information on configuring this or configuring that, still after 3 years. There is no way a newbie should be using Debain. I'd be suipprised if he got it installed. It was a real pain when I tried it after using slackware for 2 years.
well debain canot ignore the newbies, but they shodl suggest that the newbies start learning Linux with another distribution or get readdy to read... hey my bookmarks are metalab.unc.edu/LDP, and www.linux.org.. those are the first two places I hit for info, and start reading HOWTO...
so run that script and come back to you machine in an hour.... Linux is still for developers