Look at the dependacies of RH and SuSE they are not the same.... SuSE still links many packages with tcl7.6 & tk 4.2 while RH has done away with that. Also SuSE does more Static linking of binaries, than RH. I am talking a noticable 'end user' difference where apps actually 'feel' slower. It has nothing to do with the kernel! you need to really get into the various distributions and see what they ar all about before you can bash someone for what they have noticed. Go to Linux mall and get a RH Cdrom and a SuSE 1.89 cdorm SuSE gives an incomplete "Evaluation" cdrom. Then start looking at the deps of the rpms in the 2 cdrom.. you will startt to see the light.. then look at where the executables are stored, kde on SuSE is in/opt/kde with/opt/netscape, then look at where RH stores its Netscape exe../usr/X11R6/bin maybe???? They are different !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I hope you will continue to maintian your ftp distributions as you have in the past.
I have tried SuSE and although YaST is the best setup tol around, there 6.0 Distribution is slower than Redhat's 5.1 Distro, on the same machine(Mine!). The simple fact is the best OS will win. I am beginning to see that Redhat is the one, and why. As other companies are also seeing this. I have tried several other distros, and they all ahve there plusses, but Redhat simple ahs more backing. Unlike M$ thou Redhat is not threatening other companies into backing them.
Well first RedHat is the one that seems to be setting the standards.. glibc2, rpm, etc.. they are helping the community progress, which is good.. most other distros can run RedHat rpm's or at least the source code can be compiled fairly easily on another platform (supposedly)
I'd worry about RedHat being a real threat when they start threatening other companies like IBM, Oracle, and such in things like you can only port your stuff to us and everyone else has to suffer...
M$ threatens other companies that is what makes them such a big threat in the market..
I may switch back to slackware this fall then, if they are glibc2.1.. thsi rpm stuff should stand for Real Painful Management.. --nodeps this.rpm tar.gz has been around and packages stil come in this flavor, and many of the rpm binaries are compiled 'stupidly'. I got imlib/imagemagick from SuSE and they were missing the imlib-config and there were dep problems.... I'l go back to slack when it is glibc2.1.. I hope I can get a cheap cdrom....
It is machine dependant.. for PI on my machine I got 3.141592653589793 all Javascript math is machine dependant... there fore it is hightly unlikely that you will crack it unless you are on the machine that it was programmed for
I have said before that Linux needs standards.. RedHat is making them.. first to go to glibc2 weren't they? The started this whole rpm thing.. I shodul be able to get one rpm from any company and install it on a nother distro right?.. not always so.. different packages have different package makers, and thus different package dependancies... I am not to fond of RedHat.. I like Slackware or SuSE better..... I am looking forward to a libc2 version of slackware..
Well I tok a look at the code.. lkp_tmp = Math.PI.. is that not getting the value of PI.. doesn't PI differ from machine to machine.. th ekey maybe that the machine that has to access the site has to be the same machine that the key was made for or similar machine... (SAME OS same architecture)??? They are performing a lot of math functions there in the code.. this woudl be trickey to crack.... good luck
I got the kernel 2.2.x and there were keys there two. I downloaded the keys, and the kernel, but what do I need the key for? What do I do with that key anyway? Do I really need to downlaod the key? I did not need it to untar the file, or compile the kernel, what is it for then? Anyone shed some light on this for me?
most distros have a/boot directory now.. RH 5.1 did when I tried it.. Slackware has it.. they may or may not put the zImag efile there (vmlinuz) but they have it.. slackware put the vmlinuz file in the / wheil RH 5.1 I was never sure where make install put it.. didn't care either as long as I could boot:-)
I have been using SMP GNU/Linux since just around the time of the release of 2.0.34. I now use the 2.0.36 kernel, and will probably by the end of the first quarter this year upgrade my system to a glibc2, 2.2 kernel SMP system.
1) the motherboard. I have a tyan tomcat IV motherboard, with a 66Mhz bus.. I wish I had a 100Mhz bus thou 2) I have 2 233Mhz MMX CPU's.. I wish they were both 450 Mhz:-) 3) I have libc.. I am going to have glibc2 or libc2 what ever they call it.. it supports threads. threads are an SMP machines friend:-) 4) I am using 2.0.36 . I will upgrade to 2.2 as it has better support.. now that out of the way....
->I use ghostscript for printing. one weekend I was testing my system and playing with my epson printer, and the command
gs @stc2s_h file.ps -sOutPutFile=|\lpr (something like that)
sucked up BOTH cpu's 100% usage each for about 1 minute, then printerd my image at 720x720 color.. this is a non threaded system
->when I use the gimp, some of the plugins are very cpu intensive, and I have monitored my system and found that both of the CPU's are sharing the work, but not equally. some of these plugins are being threaded too...
-> threaded applications will take advantage of the multiple processor system, as will parallel applications.... on my system to compile my kernel it takes the same time that it would take on a 450...(according to benchmarks I have read)
I do a 'make -j 4 bzImage' (sometimes -j 8)
and my cpu's get usage here.. this causes make to spawn 4 (or 8) processes and compile different part of the kernel simultaneously in there object files before compiling the final kernel.. btw.. this takes 3 minutes for my 2.0.36 kernel.. I have a script that tells me when I started and when it ended.. and it is 3 minutes.. enough time to cook an egg (lol)
->If you are like me and you compile most of the applications on your system it is nice to cause most apps to compile have to build the objects first, then the libs, and app itself, so make -j 4 works in lots of places....
I have no complaints with my system right now..well just one (I/O).. I also have a dual boot NT / GNU/Linux system as you mention you are planning on doing.. (though I rarely go into NT anymore GNU/Linux is much better)
-> more and more GNU/Linux apps seem to be moving to threads... even glib now has threads in it and is best compiled on a threaded machine..(I have to use --disable-threads) -> threads of one program can run on multiple processors.. I have seen a ftp program for Linux that uses threads and can download a directory..(I need threads).
-> the GNU/Linux and the NT kernel's both do what is called 'scheduling' this scheduling allows the kernel to decide which cpu a process is run on. So that even if you do have a system that is not doing parallel tasks or threaded (like mine is so often) the load will be balanced.... or somewhat shared
-> currently I find more bottle necks in I/O than in CPU or memory..... I/O to the grapics card (I have a cheap Diamond Stealth 3D 2000)....
If you can, I would HIGHLY suggest the following setup
100 Mhz bus AGP video card with 8 Meg of RAM if you are planning on running X and/or NT and grapic apps. 2 or 4 Meg video card will do if you do not plan on running X or NT DUAL 233 or 333Mhz cpu's that use the 100 bus, no over clocking.... PCI modem, PCI network card, PCI soundcard, and all your cards should be on the PCI bus, and SCSI if possible. 128 Meg of RAM or more....
->on average under both NT and GNU/Linux I rarely use my CPU power, for a standalone workstation, but it is nice to know it is there...
now the issues.... -> memory.. get 128Meg or more.. it is worth it . it WILL speed up your system weather it is SMP or not, my friend has 32 Meg and I have 128 Meg and he noticed a difference in speed in just surfing the web on my machine.. Memory is on the system bus as opposed to the pci bus (pci is usually 33Mhz), if you have a 100 Mhz bus and 100Mhz memory you will see an increase in performance... if you can get enough memory, you may be able to set up some RAMDISKS and run your most used programs entirely from the RAMDISK, and that will be faster than ANYTHING on the PCI bus ANYTHING! (go with a cool Gig-o-RAM ) -> heat.. get standard fans and clean them occasionally... -> motherboards.. good luck in finding an old socket 7 most of them are the new Super Socket 7... intel is the only chip maker that has SMP motherboards.. AMD and Cyrix CANNOT do SMP on the motherboards that are out there, they have a different SMP speck that is not supported by motherboard manufactures, (that is what an AMD rep told me when I inquired about it) so you must buy Intel chips to do SMP ( at least on the pc there is the spark or alpha option ) Intel's socket 7 chips don't use the 100 Mhz bus (so I am told) so you are stuck with a 66Mhz bus.. so get memeory lots of memory..
disk swapping slows performance and can be increably slow...
imho motherboard technology has not improved much since the vlb bus.. I think that they need to increase pci and agp bus speeds before CPU speeds get any faster.. this is the only way to see 'real' speed ups....
and on that note.. I am happy with my SMP machine and my next machine will also be SMP.. it screams..
Intel has SMP spec, and motherboard manufactures cator to intel.
AMD and Cyrix also have a SMP spec, but there are no motherboards that use that spec, so AMD and Cyrix don't do SMP... the CPu's can but the MB's cannot
New features are great yes, but backward compatability is also very important.
You want more companies to develop for Liniux right? You want any video/computer card to work on Linux right?
Well I am a developer and if I develop something on gtk 1.0 it should still compile with 1.2 Gtk 1.2 should be an extension of 1.0 not a differnt library. Go read the change log form 1.0 to 1.2 they deleted and rename functions. The same with glibc2.
Now my 1.0 program will not work with 1.2 cause I use "gtk_label_set" and it has changed to "gtk_label_set_text" where is the improvement there? they have made the name longer? what is the logic there?
If this keeps up Linux WILL be dumped by the suits.
There also was no documentation on the best way to upgrade from 1.0 to 1.2.
It is more than an inconvience when a user has to blow away his system or spend all night on something to get his system back in running shape. If I wanted to do that everytime I installed a program I'd still be using windows....
Do you think that 'suits' will put up with that for to long? Do you think hardware venders will either. Or users?
First I am not talking about stability in the sense that Linux isn't stable, I am talking stability as in to the libraries.
I currently own a libc system, and now, almost a year later most newer software will not compile on it so it kind of bums me out adn yes I need to upgrade. But then gtk 1.2 comes out and it is not totaly compatable with 1.0, so now I have to have 1.0 and 1.2 till all the programs I have compile with 1.2. This is the instability that I am talking about. Maybe all these 'suits' will bring a sort of necessary 'uniformity' to Linux, wher eit will not matter what distro I have I'll be able to install an rpm from RH on SUSE or anywhere (currently that is not completely possible as there are often dep problems) or Caldera.
united against M$ we stand divided we will fall.
These suits will bring new hardware, and who knows maysome day I'll be able to buy ANY video card or sound card or computer card and have Linux drivers included with it in both source and binary form.
I think that all this development is great under linux, but I wish that I woudl not have to upgrade my system every 3 months it seems to run a new program.
These suits are going to want a stable lib to build on weather they develop there own or use an existing one..and end users will want one too....
Does it run with gtk 1.1 or 1.2? and can I install gtk 1.2 on top of 1.0 and will all my programs that were compiled with 1.0 still work or do I need to recompile them all and update em?
please can some one email me some info on upgrading from gtk 1.0 to 1.2 as I know that 1.2 dropped some functinos from 1.0... joeja@mindspring.com I really want to try gnome but I need gtk 1.x first.... and need to make sure all my current apps work still too
1) you never said how big your system is. If is is small enough you can as other say run from ram 2) have you though about 'embedding linux'? it is possible to embed the linux os in a device. I saw in the LJ (I think it was the linux journal) that the car mp3 player had 3 linux embeded oses running (2.0.35, 2.0.18, and cannot remember the other one) a mini cluster there (hehehe). does it have to be a desktop computer or can it be an embeded device? 3) why is ups an unacceptable solution? 4) what is this tool doing as it runs? (reading files, reading info from a port, writing data to files)?
on a solution note 1) it is possible to spin down disks (on most systems that is) hdparm/dev/hd? will tell you the disk paramters that are set I use -d1 -c1 -k1 or something like that to keep settings turn 32bit access on, and turn spindown on after 20minutes of inactivity 2) it is also possible as many have said to use ram disks.. 3) and lastly have you thought about running the filesystem from a cdrom linuxpro has a distro that this can be done, then it is automatically mounted read only.. it would be interesting to have the / filesystem on cdrom, and the home directory in a ram disk and set up a diskless system.... or a system with a very small hard drive..
1) printing 720x720 dpi color pictures on my epson printer using ghostscript.. my cpus (dual P233) get maxed out at 99% for a minute or so.. but I do not do this all the time.. maybe just once a week 2) scanning.. and using the gimp.. neither max my cpus thou there is stress on my system.. 3) can't think of what else I do to use those cycles.. but last night I did so somehting that had then at the 90% range...
my system has bog downs in the I/O NOT the cpu.. I have a 66mhz system bus, 33 mhz pci bus... althoug I do need to get an agp graphic port.. I think that 450Mhz is a bit more power than most people need or can use....
I want a FASTER (both system and pci) bus.. when will they have a 200 or 400 mhz 128 bit wide system bus... pci is still 33mhz on most systems and agp is 33mhz too so what if you have a 100mhz system bus. you still have bottleneck in getting the data from the HD or the network or the video card....
and yes computer have more than one bus in case you did not know. the system bus is the one that the memory and cpu sit on and this is then connected to the isa, pci or agp bus...
come on guys give me speed in other parts of the system..
RedHat is basically the leader in the Linux community... Redhat went to rpm.. and so did Caldera, TurboLinux, SuSe, and most others. RedHat went glibc2, and now the rest of the distros will follow.. and are..
Although Debain and Slackware are good distros, and WILL be around for a while, they are both a bit behind.. debain lacks in a good configuration tool (as of 2.0), so does slackware...... they are both excellent tools for learning th einternals of the Linux system, as they require you to edit almost every file by hand, rather than thru a GUI...
Redhat is a good distro, but because they are often the first one to go to the bleeding edge Linux stuff they have had some stability issues in the past. but I think they have overcome most of them (RH 5.0 & 5.1 are known to be a bit unstable in some areas.. duh they released 5.2 to fix these)..
I use SUSE.. and it does follow Redhat model in some ways.. however the installation is the main difference and the setup tool..
there was an article on 32bitsonline that that compared distros.. and there results were that most distros are different in the setup tool and installation.. other than that the distros may have a few different libs....
to port to linux here is what I'd recommend
1) most distros are moving to glibc2. is support threads and some other things that are 'modern' in programming and necessary.. so if you are going to port to linux go with glibc2 as the c lib... (now libc2 officially)... threads are good and in many programs they can improve performance... and on multi processor machines (like mine) they can only be a good thing.... 2) the kernel version.. if they are just coming on board with linux..start with 2.2 kernel series.. 2.0 is stable but even Alan Cox and Linus T, will probably tell you that eventually they like to see 2.0 die and 2.2 improve... 3) now if they ar porting from windows to X they shoudl pick a tool kit and stick with it.. here I'd recommend wither gtk+ for C or qt for c++.. I use gtk+ and find it very easy to use.. but I am a c programmer..
.. and I think most people with a clue will agree that this will be Linux 99... glibc2, rpm, kernel 2.2.. although I have not move up to it yet myself.. by the end of the first quarter of 99 I will have upgraded from suse 5.2 to 6.0 + updates....
PGP key what is this for anyway?
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.. okay this may seem like a stupid question, but I was always told that the only stupid question is the one not asked..
what are the pgp keys for? why do I need one or do I? and should I download the keys with the 2.2.x kernels? and if so what should I do with them once I have them on my system?
I have friends who use AOL and when they get spam in there email they really get spam. I had a friend who went away for 2 weeks and when he came back he had over 200 email in his inbox and it was almost all spam, as most of his friends new he was a way. This is is a real problam in his case.
People talk about rights and the first ammendment. What does the first ammendment have to do with SPAM? Is it a spammers right to send me XXX links? What about the children that get there own email accounts, that then get XXX spam? What about this 'loose weight' crap?
What about the ISP's that get overloaded with SPAM ?
I have email accounts for MY usage NOT a spammers USAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!
I should not have to sign up NOT to recieve spam. If I want porn I'll use a dam search engine, they always turn up porn sites. If I want to loose weight then I'll do a search on loosing weight damit.
I live in Virginia, and I think it is great that they are WANT to stop spam so badly. (AOL is in VA too by the way.)
I however do not think that they have a clue about what they are trying to do. How are they going to stop spamers in other states or countries???
I hate watching my inbox fill up and then haveing to delete all that crap. It is a waste of time. MY TIME and I woudl personally like to charge every spammer for my time of deleting there spam. If I had a penny for each peice of spam that I recieved I might be richer than Bill Gates!
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Look at the dependacies of RH and SuSE they are not the same.... SuSE still links many packages with tcl7.6 & tk 4.2 while RH has done away with that. Also SuSE does more Static linking of binaries, than RH. I am talking a noticable 'end user' difference where apps actually 'feel' slower. It has nothing to do with the kernel! you need to really get into the various distributions and see what they ar all about before you can bash someone for what they have noticed. Go to Linux mall and get a RH Cdrom and a SuSE 1.89 cdorm SuSE gives an incomplete "Evaluation" cdrom. Then start looking at the deps of the rpms in the 2 cdrom.. you will startt to see the light.. then look at where the executables are stored, kde on SuSE is in /opt/kde with /opt/netscape, then look at where RH stores its Netscape exe.. /usr/X11R6/bin maybe???? They are different !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well congradulations Redhat.
I hope you will continue to maintian your ftp distributions as you have in the past.
I have tried SuSE and although YaST is the best setup tol around, there 6.0 Distribution is slower than Redhat's 5.1 Distro, on the same machine(Mine!). The simple fact is the best OS will win. I am beginning to see that Redhat is the one, and why. As other companies are also seeing this. I have tried several other distros, and they all ahve there plusses, but Redhat simple ahs more backing. Unlike M$ thou Redhat is not threatening other companies into backing them.
keep it up.
Well first RedHat is the one that seems to be setting the standards.. glibc2, rpm, etc.. they are helping the community progress, which is good.. most other distros can run RedHat rpm's or at least the source code can be compiled fairly easily on another platform (supposedly)
I'd worry about RedHat being a real threat when they start threatening other companies like IBM, Oracle, and such in things like you can only port your stuff to us and everyone else has to suffer...
M$ threatens other companies that is what makes them such a big threat in the market..
I am waiting for M$ to threaten RH....
I may switch back to slackware this fall then, if they are glibc2.1.. thsi rpm stuff should stand for Real Painful Management.. --nodeps this.rpm tar.gz has been around and packages stil come in this flavor, and many of the rpm binaries are compiled 'stupidly'. I got imlib/imagemagick from SuSE and they were missing the imlib-config and there were dep problems.... I'l go back to slack when it is glibc2.1.. I hope I can get a cheap cdrom....
It is machine dependant.. for PI on my machine I got 3.141592653589793 all Javascript math is machine dependant... there fore it is hightly unlikely that you will crack it unless you are on the machine that it was programmed for
I have said before that Linux needs standards.. RedHat is making them.. first to go to glibc2 weren't they? The started this whole rpm thing.. I shodul be able to get one rpm from any company and install it on a nother distro right?.. not always so.. different packages have different package makers, and thus different package dependancies... I am not to fond of RedHat.. I like Slackware or SuSE better..... I am looking forward to a libc2 version of slackware..
Well I tok a look at the code.. lkp_tmp = Math.PI .. is that not getting the value of PI.. doesn't PI differ from machine to machine.. th ekey maybe that the machine that has to access the site has to be the same machine that the key was made for or similar machine... (SAME OS same architecture)??? They are performing a lot of math functions there in the code.. this woudl be trickey to crack.... good luck
I got the kernel 2.2.x and there were keys there two. I downloaded the keys, and the kernel, but what do I need the key for? What do I do with that key anyway? Do I really need to downlaod the key? I did not need it to untar the file, or compile the kernel, what is it for then? Anyone shed some light on this for me?
hmm you can download yast off there cite put it on cd and sell it.. yes you can it is being done...
by several distributors... duh... go to ftp.suse.org/pub
IBM is supposed to be distribution independant.. or so they say..
.. they probably need transulators, and help transulating ..
SuSE is released first in german cause it is made in Germany
RH is not ALL THAT.. it is usually bleeding edge, which sometime meanse things don't work... (glint sucks)
I must have missed Dell buying into Redhat. I thought that they were going to distribute linux, adn were working with Redhat....
most distros have a /boot directory now.. RH 5.1 did when I tried it.. Slackware has it.. they may or may not put the zImag efile there (vmlinuz) but they have it.. slackware put the vmlinuz file in the / wheil RH 5.1 I was never sure where make install put it.. didn't care either as long as I could boot :-)
XF86Config is very very old....
:-)
XF86Setup has been out for a while and it is better than XF86Config.. I can't wait to get hot sax
you can download it off the web....
I agree totally!!!!!!!
I have been using SMP GNU/Linux since just around the time of the release of 2.0.34. I now use the 2.0.36 kernel, and will probably by the end of the first quarter this year upgrade my system to a glibc2, 2.2 kernel SMP system.
:-) :-)
.. this is a non threaded system
.... on my system to compile my kernel it takes the same time that it would take on a 450...(according to benchmarks I have read)
/or NT and grapic apps. 2 or 4 Meg video card will do if you do not plan on running X or NT
1) the motherboard. I have a tyan tomcat IV motherboard, with a 66Mhz bus.. I wish I had a 100Mhz bus thou
2) I have 2 233Mhz MMX CPU's.. I wish they were both 450 Mhz
3) I have libc.. I am going to have glibc2 or libc2 what ever they call it.. it supports threads. threads are an SMP machines friend
4) I am using 2.0.36 . I will upgrade to 2.2 as it has better support.. now that out of the way....
->I use ghostscript for printing. one weekend I was testing my system and playing with my epson printer, and the command
gs @stc2s_h file.ps -sOutPutFile=|\lpr (something like that)
sucked up BOTH cpu's 100% usage each for about 1 minute, then printerd my image at 720x720 color
->when I use the gimp, some of the plugins are very cpu intensive, and I have monitored my system and found that both of the CPU's are sharing the work, but not equally. some of these plugins are being threaded too...
-> threaded applications will take advantage of the multiple processor system, as will parallel applications
I do a 'make -j 4 bzImage' (sometimes -j 8)
and my cpu's get usage here.. this causes make to spawn 4 (or 8) processes and compile different part of the kernel simultaneously in there object files before compiling the final kernel.. btw.. this takes 3 minutes for my 2.0.36 kernel.. I have a script that tells me when I started and when it ended.. and it is 3 minutes.. enough time to cook an egg (lol)
->If you are like me and you compile most of the applications on your system it is nice to cause most apps to compile have to build the objects first, then the libs, and app itself, so make -j 4 works in lots of places....
I have no complaints with my system right now..well just one (I/O).. I also have a dual boot NT / GNU/Linux system as you mention you are planning on doing.. (though I rarely go into NT anymore GNU/Linux is much better)
-> more and more GNU/Linux apps seem to be moving to threads... even glib now has threads in it and is best compiled on a threaded machine..(I have to use --disable-threads)
-> threads of one program can run on multiple processors.. I have seen a ftp program for Linux that uses threads and can download a directory..(I need threads).
-> the GNU/Linux and the NT kernel's both do what is called 'scheduling' this scheduling allows the kernel to decide which cpu a process is run on. So that even if you do have a system that is not doing parallel tasks or threaded (like mine is so often) the load will be balanced.... or somewhat shared
-> currently I find more bottle necks in I/O than in CPU or memory..... I/O to the grapics card (I have a cheap Diamond Stealth 3D 2000)....
If you can, I would HIGHLY suggest the following setup
100 Mhz bus
AGP video card with 8 Meg of RAM if you are planning on running X and
DUAL 233 or 333Mhz cpu's that use the 100 bus, no over clocking....
PCI modem, PCI network card, PCI soundcard, and all your cards should be on the PCI bus, and SCSI if possible.
128 Meg of RAM or more....
->on average under both NT and GNU/Linux I rarely use my CPU power, for a standalone workstation, but it is nice to know it is there...
now the issues....
-> memory.. get 128Meg or more.. it is worth it . it WILL speed up your system weather it is SMP or not, my friend has 32 Meg and I have 128 Meg and he noticed a difference in speed in just surfing the web on my machine.. Memory is on the system bus as opposed to the pci bus (pci is usually 33Mhz), if you have a 100 Mhz bus and 100Mhz memory you will see an increase in performance... if you can get enough memory, you may be able to set up some RAMDISKS and run your most used programs entirely from the RAMDISK, and that will be faster than ANYTHING on the PCI bus ANYTHING! (go with a cool Gig-o-RAM )
-> heat.. get standard fans and clean them occasionally...
-> motherboards.. good luck in finding an old socket 7 most of them are the new Super Socket 7... intel is the only chip maker that has SMP motherboards.. AMD and Cyrix CANNOT do SMP on the motherboards that are out there, they have a different SMP speck that is not supported by motherboard manufactures, (that is what an AMD rep told me when I inquired about it) so you must buy Intel chips to do SMP ( at least on the pc there is the spark or alpha option ) Intel's socket 7 chips don't use the 100 Mhz bus (so I am told) so you are stuck with a 66Mhz bus.. so get memeory lots of memory..
disk swapping slows performance and can be increably slow...
imho motherboard technology has not improved much since the vlb bus.. I think that they need to increase pci and agp bus speeds before CPU speeds get any faster.. this is the only way to see 'real' speed ups....
and on that note.. I am happy with my SMP machine and my next machine will also be SMP.. it screams..
Intel has SMP spec, and motherboard manufactures cator to intel.
AMD and Cyrix also have a SMP spec, but there are no motherboards that use that spec, so AMD and Cyrix don't do SMP... the CPu's can but the MB's cannot
I asked AMD and that is what they told me...
New features are great yes, but backward compatability is also very important.
You want more companies to develop for Liniux right? You want any video/computer card to work on Linux right?
Well I am a developer and if I develop something on gtk 1.0 it should still compile with 1.2 Gtk 1.2 should be an extension of 1.0 not a differnt library. Go read the change log form 1.0 to 1.2 they deleted and rename functions. The same with glibc2.
Now my 1.0 program will not work with 1.2 cause I use "gtk_label_set" and it has changed to "gtk_label_set_text"
where is the improvement there? they have made the name longer? what is the logic there?
If this keeps up Linux WILL be dumped by the suits.
There also was no documentation on the best way to upgrade from 1.0 to 1.2.
It is more than an inconvience when a user has to blow away his system or spend all night on something to get his system back in running shape.
If I wanted to do that everytime I installed a program I'd still be using windows....
Do you think that 'suits' will put up with that for to long? Do you think hardware venders will either. Or users?
First I am not talking about stability in the sense that Linux isn't stable, I am talking stability as in to the libraries.
I currently own a libc system, and now, almost a year later most newer software will not compile on it so it kind of bums me out adn yes I need to upgrade. But then gtk 1.2 comes out and it is not totaly compatable with 1.0, so now I have to have 1.0 and 1.2 till all the programs I have compile with 1.2. This is the instability that I am talking about. Maybe all these 'suits' will bring a sort of necessary 'uniformity' to Linux, wher eit will not matter what distro I have I'll be able to install an rpm from RH on SUSE or anywhere (currently that is not completely possible as there are often dep problems) or Caldera.
united against M$ we stand divided we will fall.
These suits will bring new hardware, and who knows maysome day I'll be able to buy ANY video card or sound card or computer card and have Linux drivers included with it in both source and binary form.
I think that all this development is great under linux, but I wish that I woudl not have to upgrade my system every 3 months it seems to run a new program.
These suits are going to want a stable lib to build on weather they develop there own or use an existing one..and end users will want one too....
Does it run with gtk 1.1 or 1.2?
and can I install gtk 1.2 on top of 1.0 and will all my programs that were compiled with 1.0 still work or do I need to recompile them all and update em?
please can some one email me some info on upgrading from gtk 1.0 to 1.2 as I know that 1.2 dropped some functinos from 1.0...
joeja@mindspring.com
I really want to try gnome but I need gtk 1.x first.... and need to make sure all my current apps work still too
Joe
1) you never said how big your system is. If is is small enough you can as other say run from ram
/dev/hd? will tell you the disk paramters that are set I use -d1 -c1 -k1 or something like that to keep settings turn 32bit access on, and turn spindown on after 20minutes of inactivity
2) have you though about 'embedding linux'? it is possible to embed the linux os in a device. I saw in the LJ (I think it was the linux journal) that the car mp3 player had 3 linux embeded oses running (2.0.35, 2.0.18, and cannot remember the other one) a mini cluster there (hehehe).
does it have to be a desktop computer or can it be an embeded device?
3) why is ups an unacceptable solution?
4) what is this tool doing as it runs? (reading files, reading info from a port, writing data to files)?
on a solution note
1) it is possible to spin down disks (on most systems that is) hdparm
2) it is also possible as many have said to use ram disks..
3) and lastly have you thought about running the filesystem from a cdrom linuxpro has a distro that this can be done, then it is automatically mounted read only.. it would be interesting to have the / filesystem on cdrom, and the home directory in a ram disk and set up a diskless system.... or a system with a very small hard drive..
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.. when will they have a 200 or 400 mhz 128 bit wide system bus...
I rarely use my cpu computing power as it is..
here is when it gets used...
1) printing 720x720 dpi color pictures on my epson printer using ghostscript.. my cpus (dual P233) get maxed out at 99% for a minute or so.. but I do not do this all the time.. maybe just once a week
2) scanning.. and using the gimp.. neither max my cpus thou there is stress on my system..
3) can't think of what else I do to use those cycles.. but last night I did so somehting that had then at the 90% range
my system has bog downs in the I/O NOT the cpu.. I have a 66mhz system bus, 33 mhz pci bus... althoug I do need to get an agp graphic port.. I think that 450Mhz is a bit more power than most people need or can use
I want a FASTER (both system and pci) bus
pci is still 33mhz on most systems and agp is 33mhz too
so what if you have a 100mhz system bus. you still have bottleneck in getting the data from the HD or the network or the video card....
and yes computer have more than one bus in case you did not know. the system bus is the one that the memory and cpu sit on and this is then connected to the isa, pci or agp bus...
come on guys give me speed in other parts of the system..
RedHat is basically the leader in the Linux community... Redhat went to rpm.. and so did Caldera, TurboLinux, SuSe, and most others. RedHat went glibc2, and now the rest of the distros will follow.. and are..
.. other than that the distros may have a few different libs....
... threads are good and in many programs they can improve performance... and on multi processor machines (like mine) they can only be a good thing....
Although Debain and Slackware are good distros, and WILL be around for a while, they are both a bit behind.. debain lacks in a good configuration tool (as of 2.0), so does slackware...... they are both excellent tools for learning th einternals of the Linux system, as they require you to edit almost every file by hand, rather than thru a GUI...
Redhat is a good distro, but because they are often the first one to go to the bleeding edge Linux stuff they have had some stability issues in the past. but I think they have overcome most of them (RH 5.0 & 5.1 are known to be a bit unstable in some areas.. duh they released 5.2 to fix these)..
I use SUSE.. and it does follow Redhat model in some ways.. however the installation is the main difference and the setup tool..
there was an article on 32bitsonline that that compared distros.. and there results were that most distros are different in the setup tool and installation
to port to linux here is what I'd recommend
1) most distros are moving to glibc2. is support threads and some other things that are 'modern' in programming and necessary.. so if you are going to port to linux go with glibc2 as the c lib... (now libc2 officially)
2) the kernel version.. if they are just coming on board with linux..start with 2.2 kernel series.. 2.0 is stable but even Alan Cox and Linus T, will probably tell you that eventually they like to see 2.0 die and 2.2 improve...
3) now if they ar porting from windows to X they shoudl pick a tool kit and stick with it.. here I'd recommend wither gtk+ for C or qt for c++.. I use gtk+ and find it very easy to use.. but I am a c programmer..
.. and I think most people with a clue will agree that this will be Linux 99... glibc2, rpm, kernel 2.2.. although I have not move up to it yet myself.. by the end of the first quarter of 99 I will have upgraded from suse 5.2 to 6.0 + updates....
.. okay this may seem like a stupid question, but I was always told that the only stupid question is the one not asked..
what are the pgp keys for? why do I need one or do I? and should I download the keys with the 2.2.x kernels? and if so what should I do with them once I have them on my system?
send mail here
I have friends who use AOL and when they get spam in there email they really get spam. I had a friend who went away for 2 weeks and when he came back he had over 200 email in his inbox and it was almost all spam, as most of his friends new he was a way. This is is a real problam in his case.
People talk about rights and the first ammendment. What does the first ammendment have to do with SPAM? Is it a spammers right to send me XXX links? What about the children that get there own email accounts, that then get XXX spam?
What about this 'loose weight' crap?
What about the ISP's that get overloaded with SPAM ?
I have email accounts for MY usage NOT a spammers USAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!
I should not have to sign up NOT to recieve spam. If I want porn I'll use a dam search engine, they always turn up porn sites. If I want to loose weight then I'll do a search on loosing weight damit.
I live in Virginia, and I think it is great that they are WANT to stop spam so badly. (AOL is in VA too by the way.)
I however do not think that they have a clue about what they are trying to do. How are they going to stop spamers in other states or countries???
I hate watching my inbox fill up and then haveing to delete all that crap. It is a waste of time. MY TIME and I woudl personally like to charge every spammer for my time of deleting there spam. If I had a penny for each peice of spam that I recieved I might be richer than Bill Gates!
great it can do server stuff and it looks like it costs money.. but can it play stuff thru netscape for Linux?