-1 Flamebait, maybe but this is all 100% correct. I can reproduce the atm problem. The check cashing machine im sure is probably rebooted by now. but it was sitting at a bluescreen for atleast 3 days. Maybe Flamebait but truth hurts.
because the gain all the functionality through componants.
Saying nautilus is bloated because it plays mp3s and surfs the web is like saying "/bin/sh is bloated because it lists, moves, and copys files. and why would I want tar and fsck as part of my sh?"
The truth is/bin/sh doesn't do all these things it just provides you with access to this things.
Upgradeing the kernel usually isnt that much trouble. I'm not sure what went wrong there but It sounds to me like it was a fairly simple lilo problem. If Progeny is like debian the kernel will be put in/boot/vmlinux- and there will be a link/vmlinuz ->/boot/vmlinuz-
Lilo will point to/vmlinuz and sometimes cause it not to work correctly. when asked if you want to rerun lilo I always say no and configure lilo my self. Although it should have worked and rebooting shoudl have been fine. My guess would be a bad package.
I would say I am close to what you descripe. Although I have bought several hundred CDs in the past I havent in a really long time. I don't belive I will ever again either. All my cds are in mp3 format now. What I do have to argue about is the exact opposite of what you are saying is happening in people that I have introduced to napster.
My father is a huge contry music fan. Mostly really old stuff from 30s and 40s. I introduced him to napster and mp3s in general. Not to long after downloading 100+ mp3s he had an mp3 ripper and was ripping his entire cd collection (well over 3k cds).
He also intoduced this to a friend of his who began doing the same thing. He was looking up mp3s to cover all of the old 45s that he has. Next time I am in that part of the state I have been obligated to help him hook up his record player to his sound card so he can rip some of the 45s to mp3s.
These are all people who use napster as a service and not as a way to pillage the recording industry. They both have extream loyalty to music and artists. Now this may be a limited segment of the napster community but out of all the napster users I know there are all this way.
He says that it is find that software moves to be a servers related solution but why can't this also work for music?
as an example
someone uses redhat for there system. They got these for free. Something goes wrong they call redhat pay the $xxx for support they get the service redhat makes money.
Now look at music.
I find music I like, be it Snoop Doggie Dog. I download Snoop Doggie Dog mp3s and listen all the time. It is all great but it is still not what I want. Then Snoop Doggie Dog comes to my town to put on a show at $xxx per ticket. I like Snoop Doggie Dog and buy the ticket. I get a service Snoop Doggie Dog makes money.
basicly saying that they aren't really "giveing" away there work, but posting it as advertisement for what there real work is, Concerts.
As for books this will be a little diffrent because nobody wants to go watch someone write a book or pay to have a book serviced. Someone would have to think of the service level of books.
Most likely, though, I'll just end up going with OpenBSD on my firewall box and running Linux on my desktop machine. I'm more comfortable in Linux than BSD, and so I think I'll just use "the right tool for the task.
this sounds more to me like give someone a hammer everything looks like a nail. You are useing linux because you are more comfortable useing it not because it is the best tool for the job.
I still like to use linux because I can run linux on my iPAQ handheld, my home desktop, my work workstations, and my 47 production servers. Again hammer nail principal but I still like it.
again look at what is being compared here:
speed one does a million miles an hour the other does one million and one miles an hour
one stays up for 76 years the other stays up for 80 years
one has had only 2 security violations the other has only had 1
the diffrences are so penny counting that just doesn't make sence to me to worry about it.
I use what I am the most familiar with.
run spell check your self i am on my way home right now
swap partitions are raw partitions in linux giving the kernel the added advantage of not haveing to go through the file system code in order to write to swap.
swap files on the other hand must be kept as a regular file somewhere on the system which means that every time something has to be swapped in it must go through both the swap code and the file system code in order to be completed.
this may not seem like much but in swap speed is EVERYTHING
I would have to say that linux is no worse to have on a handheld than winCE is?!? Linux on its own is just a kernel (I am sure you know). This kernel does not have to have a complete posix system and command line to run. With the really light version of X that is running on this thing and a few apps written/rewritten for it this could and would be as good/better than winCE is now. I submited this story and it may be a little to much press right now as it really doesn't do much. I just really like this as a play toy.
Currently you can only run linux or CE and restoreing to CE is not really well tested although I haven't heard of anyone killing an iPaq yet. There is a boot loader that must be loaded into flash it is very possible to get this boot loader to load CE or linux from either onboard flash or from the flash card but the work is not complete yet.
Discamer: I only hang out on the mailing list and make sugestins and play with my iPaq on linux. I haven't actually done any of the work on this but have conversed with the people who are doing it.
1. when at my desk I can export DISPLAY and do all my heavy work on my desktop and the carry it around with me for easy access.
2. complete feature set. Drivers for ipv6 coda nfs networking ppp. will you need all of these? maybe not. but what about those that do? they don't have to be there but they can if you want them.
3. Familiar development API. It will be much easier to use exsiting linux code and scale it down both in *kb and screen size.
4. Wealth of applications. similar to 3 except many things already exist and work.
5. No central control. Companies and individuals can add too and change what they think it should be
Actually X on the iPaq is very light and responsive. This whole X is to heavy for my Sparc 128 proc system with 456tera of ram is a bunch of crap. People looking for the next best thing. X is working great. less than 600k on on the ipaq now and plans to shrink it even more don't really seem like to heavy to me.
I have an iPAQ running linux now. while useability as a pda is still very lacking. It has got to be one of the coolest things ever. I have had quake running over the network and exported to the ipaqs display, really impressed the other geeks here at work. As far as them shipping that is a little bit of a strech. If you shop around you may find one but almost nobody has them in stock. This is obviously due to the coolness of the product and the lack of good prodution runs.
If you have the $500 for a pda though I would definatly go for it.
Yea it is really to bad. I think Gnome and KDE could really
complement each other if they would work together a little more.
KDE seems more bent on keeping everything dependent on qt while
most of the gnome stuff is trying to be completely open and tk
independent, while standardizing on gtk but not completely
depending on it. With applications like Evolution that are made
to have any front end you want while still maintaining the same
functionality. Or standardizing on the bonobo component model
that is completely tk independent.
While KDE kind of had the head start and have been in the past
slightly ahead of Gnome inability and feature set, that is a
thing of the past. Gnome has developed into something that is
more portable more open to change and technically it has far more
potential to continue as a strong desktop environment for
linux/unix.
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-1 Flamebait, maybe but this is all 100% correct. I can reproduce the atm problem. The check cashing machine im sure is probably rebooted by now. but it was sitting at a bluescreen for atleast 3 days. Maybe Flamebait but truth hurts.
because the gain all the functionality through componants.
/bin/sh doesn't do all these things it just provides you with access to this things.
Saying nautilus is bloated because it plays mp3s and surfs the web is like saying "/bin/sh is bloated because it lists, moves, and copys files. and why would I want tar and fsck as part of my sh?"
The truth is
Upgradeing the kernel usually isnt that much trouble. I'm not sure what went wrong there but It sounds to me like it was a fairly simple lilo problem. If Progeny is like debian the kernel will be put in /boot/vmlinux- and there will be a link /vmlinuz -> /boot/vmlinuz-
/vmlinuz and sometimes cause it not to work correctly. when asked if you want to rerun lilo I always say no and configure lilo my self. Although it should have worked and rebooting shoudl have been fine. My guess would be a bad package.
Lilo will point to
What? Are you gay?
If mfarah stops posting and dissappears for no reason I am going to start to be scared.
Becker started his work on one of the bsds but the maintainers were so unreceptive and to 1337, they ignored his work and he gave up on them.
Just because it happend on the show Lexx on Sci-fi doesn't mean that is how it WILL happen.
Nice way to put that story in though. Almost word for word the story of the brunungee (killed the spelling there sorry) on the show.
Yea and Debian ARM
I would say I am close to what you descripe. Although I have bought several hundred CDs in the past I havent in a really long time. I don't belive I will ever again either. All my cds are in mp3 format now. What I do have to argue about is the exact opposite of what you are saying is happening in people that I have introduced to napster.
My father is a huge contry music fan. Mostly really old stuff from 30s and 40s. I introduced him to napster and mp3s in general. Not to long after downloading 100+ mp3s he had an mp3 ripper and was ripping his entire cd collection (well over 3k cds).
He also intoduced this to a friend of his who began doing the same thing. He was looking up mp3s to cover all of the old 45s that he has. Next time I am in that part of the state I have been obligated to help him hook up his record player to his sound card so he can rip some of the 45s to mp3s.
These are all people who use napster as a service and not as a way to pillage the recording industry. They both have extream loyalty to music and artists. Now this may be a limited segment of the napster community but out of all the napster users I know there are all this way.
He says that it is find that software moves to be a servers related solution but why can't this also work for music?
as an example
someone uses redhat for there system. They got these for free. Something goes wrong they call redhat pay the $xxx for support they get the service redhat makes money.
Now look at music.
I find music I like, be it Snoop Doggie Dog. I download Snoop Doggie Dog mp3s and listen all the time. It is all great but it is still not what I want. Then Snoop Doggie Dog comes to my town to put on a show at $xxx per ticket. I like Snoop Doggie Dog and buy the ticket. I get a service Snoop Doggie Dog makes money.
basicly saying that they aren't really "giveing" away there work, but posting it as advertisement for what there real work is, Concerts.
As for books this will be a little diffrent because nobody wants to go watch someone write a book or pay to have a book serviced. Someone would have to think of the service level of books.
"I don't think we've done enough bribing^H^H^H^H^H^H^Heducation of policy makers to understand the threat."
Freedom of code not freedom of coder
got it?
good.
Most likely, though, I'll just end up going with OpenBSD on my firewall box and running Linux on my desktop machine. I'm more comfortable in Linux than BSD, and so I think I'll just use "the right tool for the task.
this sounds more to me like give someone a hammer everything looks like a nail. You are useing linux because you are more comfortable useing it not because it is the best tool for the job.
I still like to use linux because I can run linux on my iPAQ handheld, my home desktop, my work workstations, and my 47 production servers. Again hammer nail principal but I still like it.
again look at what is being compared here:
speed one does a million miles an hour the other does one million and one miles an hour
one stays up for 76 years the other stays up for 80 years
one has had only 2 security violations the other has only had 1
the diffrences are so penny counting that just doesn't make sence to me to worry about it.
I use what I am the most familiar with.
run spell check your self i am on my way home right now
and to shut down my computer i click start????????
yea but they changed it to pi95 then pi98
and now they call it piME.
swap partitions are raw partitions in linux giving the kernel the added advantage of not haveing to go through the file system code in order to write to swap.
swap files on the other hand must be kept as a regular file somewhere on the system which means that every time something has to be swapped in it must go through both the swap code and the file system code in order to be completed.
this may not seem like much but in swap speed is EVERYTHING
ArsonSmith
I would have to say that linux is no worse to have on a handheld than winCE is?!? Linux on its own is just a kernel (I am sure you know). This kernel does not have to have a complete posix system and command line to run. With the really light version of X that is running on this thing and a few apps written/rewritten for it this could and would be as good/better than winCE is now. I submited this story and it may be a little to much press right now as it really doesn't do much. I just really like this as a play toy.
:)
Ohh and my iPaq has 180.22 BogoMIPS!?!
Currently you can only run linux or CE and restoreing to CE is not really well tested although I haven't heard of anyone killing an iPaq yet. There is a boot loader that must be loaded into flash it is very possible to get this boot loader to load CE or linux from either onboard flash or from the flash card but the work is not complete yet.
Discamer: I only hang out on the mailing list and make sugestins and play with my iPaq on linux. I haven't actually done any of the work on this but have conversed with the people who are doing it.
The Arson Smith
how about
1. when at my desk I can export DISPLAY and do all my heavy work on my desktop and the carry it around with me for easy access.
2. complete feature set. Drivers for ipv6 coda nfs networking ppp. will you need all of these? maybe not. but what about those that do? they don't have to be there but they can if you want them.
3. Familiar development API. It will be much easier to use exsiting linux code and scale it down both in *kb and screen size.
4. Wealth of applications. similar to 3 except many things already exist and work.
5. No central control. Companies and individuals can add too and change what they think it should be
6. ok I am out of things for now
ArsonSmith
Actually X on the iPaq is very light and responsive. This whole X is to heavy for my Sparc 128 proc system with 456tera of ram is a bunch of crap. People looking for the next best thing. X is working great. less than 600k on on the ipaq now and plans to shrink it even more don't really seem like to heavy to me.
ArsonSmith
I have an iPAQ running linux now. while useability as a pda is still very lacking. It has got to be one of the coolest things ever. I have had quake running over the network and exported to the ipaqs display, really impressed the other geeks here at work. As far as them shipping that is a little bit of a strech. If you shop around you may find one but almost nobody has them in stock. This is obviously due to the coolness of the product and the lack of good prodution runs.
If you have the $500 for a pda though I would definatly go for it.
mv resume.txt resume.doc
has always worked for me. Word opens it
up without so much as a warning or complaint
you forgot:
(4) bugs in linux version that are explained away as being linux's fault and not M$'s
Yea it is really to bad. I think Gnome and KDE could really
complement each other if they would work together a little more.
KDE seems more bent on keeping everything dependent on qt while
most of the gnome stuff is trying to be completely open and tk
independent, while standardizing on gtk but not completely
depending on it. With applications like Evolution that are made
to have any front end you want while still maintaining the same
functionality. Or standardizing on the bonobo component model
that is completely tk independent.
While KDE kind of had the head start and have been in the past
slightly ahead of Gnome inability and feature set, that is a
thing of the past. Gnome has developed into something that is
more portable more open to change and technically it has far more
potential to continue as a strong desktop environment for
linux/unix.
Try Debian it is like an entire distribution based on helix-update.
Debian Rulz
The ArsonSmith