Who would notice with all the other bodies being tossed in? LOL
And for the curious, the largest town I ever lived in between 3 and 17 had 5,000 people (and that was absolutely huge compared to everywhere else I'd lived).
Here here, I agree whole heartedly with your modification (and everything else about the OP comment). I worked at a place a few years ago and since most of us didn't make all that much, we usually went out to fairly cheap places for lunch. One day several of us went out to a Mongolian grill over the river from work and on a spur of the moment I decided I could afford to pay for lunch for all of nine (I think) of us (it was about $55 IIRC). I didn't start out the lunch by saying I'd do it, and I insisted that no one pay me back. I was hoping it would help morale (it was generally okay, but not great sometimes as our bosses were slashing jobs left and right, while insisting each one was the last). It worked very well, and people started offering to pay for each other's lunch from time to time. Sometimes small gestures, especially when unexpected, can help relationships, if handled properly. I suppose YMMV of course, especially if you have a bunch of self-entitled people at your work.
Sounds like a dual purpose benefit! When we go to the moons around the outer planets something like that could be really helpful. Oh, wait, sorry, the nice gentlemen in the white suits say it's time for my pills.
That makes sense. I do the same thing with free programming tool/IDE/languages/etc. I was looking through an old box the other day to see what I could get rid of (small hard drive that I will eventually upgrade everything in, but not yet) and I didn't remember installing half of the things that I'm sure I installed (my wife isn't a programmer). If they had even a nominal charge I'd have next to nothing installed on that machine.
While I agree with your post I can see the slippery slope the OP is talking about. Where does allowing something like this lead? If it is so good, shouldn't it be mandatory, etc?
Okay, but none of those invalidate my point. A line of credit can be opened, but those have no yearly fee, and if you don't use it, no contract has been entered into. If there is a yearly fee they cannot collect until you accept the offer (generally by using it).
In your second paragraph, someone accepted the terms of the offer by depositing the check. In all cases, this is seen as accepting the offer, and creates a contract between the two parties. Of course it wasn't between you and HSBC since it wasn't you that accepted it (and technically wasn't with anyone else since the offer was made to you explicitly) but that's an entirely different point.
Raising and lower credit limits, and changing interest rates are part of the original agreement (read one sometime), and even then require you to continue to use the card to agree to them.
We've gotten way off topic from my original post here, which was about not being able to create a contract by assuming no response as acceptance of an offer.
Ah, you've missed something important. Foreclosure isn't a new agreement, but part of the original agreement you made. That pile of paperwork you signed? It included penalties for failure to pay on time, foreclosure being one of them. So they weren't modifying the agreement with that letter they sent but taking the next step as outlined (sometimes not in the agreement but instead as codified in our laws for such things).
As far as speeding ticket goes, that's again not a new agreement but rather the way our society works. You agree by living within this society. Of course you can't really opt-out by setting your own country up somewhere else anymore, but that's another debate (I know I've wished I could sometimes, even knowing how difficult it would be and that failure is very likely).
With those Terms of Service there's a very small bit in changes that most people miss that is extremely important. "By continuing to use this service... you agree to be bound by this agreement..." You agree by continuing to use the service. You don't have to use the service, and you will continue to be bound by the old agreement. While you're right that you usually have to actively cancel the service, in actuality most of the time you are using the service all the time, whether by logging in, or charging items, etc. Credit Cards do this all the time, and if you charge anything on the card after the date set therein, you are agreeing to the changes, and have entered into a new agreement. But a credit card company you don't have a prior agreement with, for example, can't send you a contract in the mail saying, "We'll give you a line of credit for $500, which costs you $50/year + interest, if you don't notify us by June 30th that you don't want the card." There is no "meeting of the minds", no acceptance, so there is no contract.
That's usually about a preexisting contract, not negotiating a brand new contract. Or a court notice, which isn't even close to the same thing. Amazing what a "monopoly on force" gets you the power to do. 8^)
I agree. I waited to upgrade to 9.10 because of the horror stories I heard, and after a few months upgraded because I wanted a newer version of some package (can't recall what it was now) and everything worked better for me. I wish I had done it sooner. So this time I upgraded right away. I've only had two issues. The bridge networking issue the OP had (which I haven't even been using in a while, so not much of an issue for me) and the other was the first time I rebooted (at the end of the upgrade) I had no title bars showing on any windows, which was very odd (and a problem since I couldn't type into the terminal window for some reason) but another reboot fixed that and I've had no problems of any sort since.
No, that works in my favor, too. Creating division between classes is a primary cause of revolution throughout history. It just has to be obvious and loud enough to disrupt the status quo, else it is ignored.
Although they are written in a random order to avoid spoiling the plot, while playing "Choose Your Own Adventure" books you still have a story starting with its beginning, finishing with its end, and in between told chronologically. The story happens in-order of the reading order (even if the reading order itself is a little bit complex)...
That would have been helpful to know before reading them, Dammit! I knew I was doing something wrong.;^)
I'm pretty sure anyone who would actually go to that level to get rid of their account is also so paranoid they would have never signed up. Or a "cleaner" (in the mafia sense) covering up a crime. Actually it almost sounds like a job opportunity.
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Portland. This has been a few years, but Chang's was surprisingly cheap for all you can eat buffet.
That certainly would be a white whale, to be sure!
Who would notice with all the other bodies being tossed in? LOL
And for the curious, the largest town I ever lived in between 3 and 17 had 5,000 people (and that was absolutely huge compared to everywhere else I'd lived).
Here here, I agree whole heartedly with your modification (and everything else about the OP comment). I worked at a place a few years ago and since most of us didn't make all that much, we usually went out to fairly cheap places for lunch. One day several of us went out to a Mongolian grill over the river from work and on a spur of the moment I decided I could afford to pay for lunch for all of nine (I think) of us (it was about $55 IIRC). I didn't start out the lunch by saying I'd do it, and I insisted that no one pay me back. I was hoping it would help morale (it was generally okay, but not great sometimes as our bosses were slashing jobs left and right, while insisting each one was the last). It worked very well, and people started offering to pay for each other's lunch from time to time. Sometimes small gestures, especially when unexpected, can help relationships, if handled properly. I suppose YMMV of course, especially if you have a bunch of self-entitled people at your work.
Also, though this may be a catch-22, don't bring live things into work to eat either.
I think the OP meant killing yourself by jumping into a crematorium furnace.
Sounds like a dual purpose benefit! When we go to the moons around the outer planets something like that could be really helpful. Oh, wait, sorry, the nice gentlemen in the white suits say it's time for my pills.
Sadly we will probably be too old (or dead) to enjoy most of it, I fear...
Right, so that's why Iron Man 2 is going to lose money! /s
That makes sense. I do the same thing with free programming tool/IDE/languages/etc. I was looking through an old box the other day to see what I could get rid of (small hard drive that I will eventually upgrade everything in, but not yet) and I didn't remember installing half of the things that I'm sure I installed (my wife isn't a programmer). If they had even a nominal charge I'd have next to nothing installed on that machine.
While I agree with your post I can see the slippery slope the OP is talking about. Where does allowing something like this lead? If it is so good, shouldn't it be mandatory, etc?
Okay, but none of those invalidate my point. A line of credit can be opened, but those have no yearly fee, and if you don't use it, no contract has been entered into. If there is a yearly fee they cannot collect until you accept the offer (generally by using it).
In your second paragraph, someone accepted the terms of the offer by depositing the check. In all cases, this is seen as accepting the offer, and creates a contract between the two parties. Of course it wasn't between you and HSBC since it wasn't you that accepted it (and technically wasn't with anyone else since the offer was made to you explicitly) but that's an entirely different point.
Raising and lower credit limits, and changing interest rates are part of the original agreement (read one sometime), and even then require you to continue to use the card to agree to them.
We've gotten way off topic from my original post here, which was about not being able to create a contract by assuming no response as acceptance of an offer.
Ah, you've missed something important. Foreclosure isn't a new agreement, but part of the original agreement you made. That pile of paperwork you signed? It included penalties for failure to pay on time, foreclosure being one of them. So they weren't modifying the agreement with that letter they sent but taking the next step as outlined (sometimes not in the agreement but instead as codified in our laws for such things).
As far as speeding ticket goes, that's again not a new agreement but rather the way our society works. You agree by living within this society. Of course you can't really opt-out by setting your own country up somewhere else anymore, but that's another debate (I know I've wished I could sometimes, even knowing how difficult it would be and that failure is very likely).
With those Terms of Service there's a very small bit in changes that most people miss that is extremely important. "By continuing to use this service... you agree to be bound by this agreement..." You agree by continuing to use the service. You don't have to use the service, and you will continue to be bound by the old agreement. While you're right that you usually have to actively cancel the service, in actuality most of the time you are using the service all the time, whether by logging in, or charging items, etc. Credit Cards do this all the time, and if you charge anything on the card after the date set therein, you are agreeing to the changes, and have entered into a new agreement. But a credit card company you don't have a prior agreement with, for example, can't send you a contract in the mail saying, "We'll give you a line of credit for $500, which costs you $50/year + interest, if you don't notify us by June 30th that you don't want the card." There is no "meeting of the minds", no acceptance, so there is no contract.
That's usually about a preexisting contract, not negotiating a brand new contract. Or a court notice, which isn't even close to the same thing. Amazing what a "monopoly on force" gets you the power to do. 8^)
Too bad there's a well established principal in law that prevents getting someone to agree to something through inaction.
But they do often become arrogant, which is just as bad.
Hence, my whole point about making things worse (capital offense, aka death penalty offenses) rather than working to make them better.
I agree. I waited to upgrade to 9.10 because of the horror stories I heard, and after a few months upgraded because I wanted a newer version of some package (can't recall what it was now) and everything worked better for me. I wish I had done it sooner. So this time I upgraded right away. I've only had two issues. The bridge networking issue the OP had (which I haven't even been using in a while, so not much of an issue for me) and the other was the first time I rebooted (at the end of the upgrade) I had no title bars showing on any windows, which was very odd (and a problem since I couldn't type into the terminal window for some reason) but another reboot fixed that and I've had no problems of any sort since.
Help me, please! He'll be back any minute. I'm too young to upgrade my distro!
You are exactly right. I've often said no two people actually speak the same language. They just sound very similar sometimes.
No, that works in my favor, too. Creating division between classes is a primary cause of revolution throughout history. It just has to be obvious and loud enough to disrupt the status quo, else it is ignored.
They didn't actually say they were all in the same file.
Although they are written in a random order to avoid spoiling the plot, while playing "Choose Your Own Adventure" books you still have a story starting with its beginning, finishing with its end, and in between told chronologically. The story happens in-order of the reading order (even if the reading order itself is a little bit complex)...
That would have been helpful to know before reading them, Dammit! I knew I was doing something wrong. ;^)
I know of problems caused by trying to use it, does that count?
I'm pretty sure anyone who would actually go to that level to get rid of their account is also so paranoid they would have never signed up. Or a "cleaner" (in the mafia sense) covering up a crime. Actually it almost sounds like a job opportunity.