So I have a 5870 and the drivers are for sure better than when it came out. Also ATi drivers are lots better than they were years ago. Used to be a time when I wouldn't touch ATi, they were crap. Now, as is obvious, I don't have a problem with them. I do not prefer them but I'll get them if they have an offering I like and nVidia does not (when I bought the card, nVidia did not have DX11 cards).
So the drivers aren't horrible, but they aren't nVidia quality IMO. This is not only in terms of stability, but also features. nVidia provides some really excellent per-application profile support. You set stuff up and it just works. ATi's is a good deal more complex and not as smooth.
... Not quite sure why you bought a card for DX11... by the time dx11 becomes relevant, the processing power required to use it will be much higher. And the first gen dx11 cards from ATI (the 5 series. I have one too) are absolutely terrible when rendering with dx11.
As for nvidia being better than ATI for "smooth setup", have you ever owned a laptop with optimus? You'll change your mind on the "really excellent per-application profile support" comment. Because with optimus, nvidia doesn't have really excellent per-application profile support for windows.
Apparently that qualifies for a -1 I'm a mac user and don't like opposition. Not that I mind, mac users need to have steve-o proctective bubble of awesomeness popped by reality every now and then. Or else they get terribly insufferable.
How about a driver stability shootout? Include the major platforms (Windows, OS X, and Linux) and compare:
* Stability in desktop environments (Windows Aero/OS X/KDE/Gnome)
Heh. So, a couple comments. A) You're calling windows stable? B) You think comparing benchmarks on OSX is fair, when neither vendor has nearly enough control to actually make the cards do what they *can*, and C) Really? KDE and Gnome are your "desktop" choices - not Compiz or any other desktop pretty-upper?
I think you need to get your terminology straightened around. Compiz, Aero and (Quartz Extreme and Core Image) are the desktop compositors you're looking to describe. And reliability isn't based solely on graphics drivers, but also on the interaction of the drivers with other drivers.
These sorts of cards are designed to run 3 x 30" 2560x1600 monitors at a decent frame rate.
...so gamers can get closer to the real life they don't have.
I'm not sure why you think this is a bad thing. People play video games to avoid "real" life, so... yeah, some gamers *are* looking for a life they don't have. Temporarily, to be sure. No one wants to be a black ops marine for any length of time when it involves torture and such. But in a game? Make that as lifelike as possible... that's *why* I play games. To avoid real life. Because if real life was as interesting as, say, dragon age, I think I'd just go play that.
If your numbers don't match mine, than you're padding the traffic.
Sure. But they're not going to care about your router's stats.
Exactly. I once tried to tell a police officer that I wasn't going as fast as he said I was. I even measured it with my speedometer. Apparently, the people making the rules don't care too much for your opinion if it is different from theirs.
I'd suggest you take them to court, but people have been taking telecoms to court in the USA for decades... and you're still having the same problem - which leads me to believe that it's the system that's broken, not the players. Since you can't change the system... *shrugs*
As for accuracy in measuring usage - this a wire, and there's a single point which it leaves my house (router/modem), meaning I can simply monitor all traffic statistics on that interface. Even their modems track these statistics if you poke around in the interface. If your numbers don't match mine, than you're padding the traffic.
Although you are correct in theory, that's not how water or electricity use is measured or billed. It's almost like buying a car. Yes, the sticker price is one thing. But that's not the entire cost. Even if you avoid freight and delivery by buying used, you're still paying taxes. And even if you avoid ALL those fees, you still have insurance. And even if you avoid insurance, you've still got gas. And even if you're stealing gas, you're still "paying" with time.
Although the companies in the USA might call it metered billing based on usage, and they may not be clear about what you're being charged for, there is still overhead and the actual "cost" of usage will include more than digital bytes flowing across a cable.
As described, it doesn't even make any sense either the reasons why or the implementation.
Yes, you're correct. Metered internet is the present for everywhere but the USA. And no one is really sure when USA broadband is going to catch up to the rest of the world...
I'm not sure how this differs from the way they measure network usage on a cellphone. Wildly inaccurate, and damn-near-impossible to disprove in court.
Also, as a canadian, I've been living with metered billing for awhile. Given the complaints in the article, I have a hard time taking it seriously. When the difference is measured in gigabytes, but still in single digit percentages, I really can't feel any sympathy. Do you really need to transfer 300 gb in a month?
Then again, we don't have video streaming the same way that the US does. Something about american companies demanding outrageous rates for their licensing fees to out-of-state companies.
Build a gravity accelerated race track, film the cars, and analyze using free video analysis software.
Galileo did it with inclined planes, without video, and without video analysis software. How does the video and software make it any better?
Hmmm. Well, turing had a computer design back in the 1800s. Maybe you should be using that to post on slashdot, and I'll start teaching with 19th century techniques.
I wasn't the original AC in this post. And why is having a high UID bad? I just never bothered to sign up until recently. Or is it a matter of your epeen is bigger than mine?
Without a big epeen, how will I know how relevant your posts really are?
You can encourage your politicians to hate Americans -- then those politicians will notice that financial sector of your country is being run by people they hate, and in turn will take that control away.
And no, I don't know better solution, hatred is the most you can get out of politicians, so use that.
Actually, that's *not* how politics works. AT least, not outside the usa. Thanks for trying to apply your narrow world view to a broader problem of global economics, though.
Interesting, so you responded to my broad insult of Christianity (a specific religion, note, not all religions) with a broad insult of atheism? So I take it then that not being a hypocrite isn't part of life philosophy?
See, the real difference between you and me is that unlike you I'm freely going to admit to being an asshole on here. It's what I do. It's fun. I don't need convoluted justifications to make how I act more palatable to myself like you appear to.
Although I do love how you assume I'm opposed to all religions and a militant atheist. I'll put that on my list along with the time some atheist called me a fundie after I made fun of what he was saying.
I'm using your broad insults to create other, inversely proportional insults. That way, when I respond to your criticism with the exact opposite, and you refute my criticism, I only have to refer you to your rebuttal in order to disprove your rebuttal. What an interesting paradox! If your rebuttal disproves itself, can it be used as proof of inadequacy?
You see, I was being hypocritical on purpose. You, due to your inclusion of "Me me me" statements, don't have quite the same defense.
For all practical purposes (and considering that Einstein had to deal with society obsessed with religion), Einstein's mentioning of god at most counts as a metaphor for nature.
That's an interesting interpretation of the words of a dead man. I wonder if we can find another group of people that disagree with you. Hmm. Now, if that other group is a group of scientists... does that make science bad? Or does it make people prone to conflict, and the re-interpretation of the ideas of dead men a bad thing?
Contrary to popular belief, not everything conforms to post-modernistic ideas.
As far as I am concerned, ZTE is exhibiting amazingly good taste.
That's a valid point. Until you consider that ZTE has been recently charged with unauthorized software use (AKA: Piracy), in order to avoid licensing fees.
So they may be exhibiting good taste... but only by accident, not out of choice.
(Shrug) There's a clear and demonstrable inverse correlation between religiosity and IQ. Do you have any insight into the matter that doesn't involve wishful thinking and handwaving?
There's also a clear and demonstrable inverse correlation between wealth and happiness. And IQ and happiness. Do you have any insight that doesn't trivialize and avoid the topic at hand?
There *is* a false dichotomy between "Pro-brain" (as the OP said) and "pro-god". If einstein believing in god doesn't disprove your handwaiving and wishful thinking, I'm not sure what will.
I can't "prove" a theory, but I can easily "disprove" one. That's the problem with fundamentalist religion nuts. They don't understand that there is no absolute proof without absolute knowledge, and absolute knowledge is beyond the grasp of humanity... for the moment.
And how's that being-a-dickhead problem coming along?
Well, I've come out of the closet... but the acceptance of my alternative lifestyle hasn't arrived. *Shrugs*. I guess not all lifestyle choices are equally valid, no matter what society says.
Odd, so far I've been handed religious texts by people, seen protests by people, heard loud outdoor preaching by people and even had them come to my door to bother me. None of those people were talking about atheism.
Or do you call it bothering only if they preach something you don't agree with?
No, mostly I call it preaching when it's objectionally tasteless. So yes, generally when I disagree with it. But also when I agree with it, but don't agree with the manner in which it is delivered. For an example of this second statement, read your OP that I was criticizing.
On an unrelated note, don't believe that everyone who criticizes you, also disagrees with you. That's another problem with the way-too-outspoken-atheist crowd. Somehow, they think that a) they have to be louder than the way-too-outspoken-religion crowd, and b) Each and every single person I encounter who is vehemently opposed to religion is also opposed to being critiqued. Trust me brother, we're on the same side. I just don't want you making me look dumb by association.
Either a) The chinese are frustrated by the security measures in place on W7 phones, and can't compete, or (much more likely)... b) They've already been using W7 on their phones, but have changed the colours slightly. When challenged on the "so-called" similarities, they'll simply state that it was a Chinese invention first. Much like the RedBerry.
B? history repeating itself. A?... well, I'm still waiting for a security measure on a computer that can be both practical and unhackable.
Then again I suppose Christians are all about being miserable and repressed no matter what the situation at hand.
Actually, I thought that was atheists - always running around, unsatisfied with their life and trying to convince others of their views... rather than just letting us live in peace.
Hey man, what's wrong with cannibalism? It's a legitimate life choice. It's not like I'm KILLING people - they're already dead! What, your social rules are prudish and outdated, and have cause a lot of death (from starvation). In fact, cannibalism has enjoyed an underground movement ever since the victorian era, prior to which it was accepted (if not condoned) - because people accepted it as a fact of life! We need to update our social thinking and open our minds, brother!
Can we have a million man pride parade? Our tag line could be : I bet you can't eat just one, because you'll never go back!
I also asked if they wished to be associated with the type of damage that Exodus International has caused in numerous people's lives.
If only you knew how much damage the republican party has caused me, personally. And I'm not even american! Can I request that the USA come up with some sort of solution to finally stop them from ruining the financial sector of my country? I'm telling you, they're not even part of my country!
Oh, and can we thank Mike Godwin, for making every slashdot post redundant?
You probably cannot eliminate the urges, but if one actually wants to, and tries, they can repress those urges. It is similar to, an albeit much simpler impulse, to see some kind of food that looks tasty, but realize that you don't need it and it is better that you don't eat it. The impulse is there, but you can control the impulse, but again, only if you want to.
What a terrible example. It sounds like a defense of pedophilia. If someone can be gay but closeted, the gay community says "come out! You're still gay!", but if someone is a closeted pedophile... well, did you want them to come out too?
It doesn't change, you'd be surprised how far repression can get you. Until I realized that I might not be straight I had no idea that I wasn't.
I feel your pain. I've spent my life thinking I was gay. People teased me, I was laughed at a lot, and life was very difficult. Then I realized it wasn't homosexuality I was struggling with after all... just GAY-NESS.
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So I have a 5870 and the drivers are for sure better than when it came out. Also ATi drivers are lots better than they were years ago. Used to be a time when I wouldn't touch ATi, they were crap. Now, as is obvious, I don't have a problem with them. I do not prefer them but I'll get them if they have an offering I like and nVidia does not (when I bought the card, nVidia did not have DX11 cards).
So the drivers aren't horrible, but they aren't nVidia quality IMO. This is not only in terms of stability, but also features. nVidia provides some really excellent per-application profile support. You set stuff up and it just works. ATi's is a good deal more complex and not as smooth.
... Not quite sure why you bought a card for DX11 ... by the time dx11 becomes relevant, the processing power required to use it will be much higher. And the first gen dx11 cards from ATI (the 5 series. I have one too) are absolutely terrible when rendering with dx11.
As for nvidia being better than ATI for "smooth setup", have you ever owned a laptop with optimus? You'll change your mind on the "really excellent per-application profile support" comment. Because with optimus, nvidia doesn't have really excellent per-application profile support for windows.
Otherwise, you are 100%, sir.
What do Slashdot readers think about the scientific butter that awards crack addicted babies with even more?
Thank You. Your comment, coupled with a couple of glasses of wine, just caused my brain to reboot.
You are the equivalent of the crazy person that has uncontrolled outbursts on the subway that make the Mad Hatter seem cogent and lucid.
+5 W.T.F
Purple monkey dishwasher.
Legit comment, flamebait sig.
Apparently that qualifies for a -1 I'm a mac user and don't like opposition. Not that I mind, mac users need to have steve-o proctective bubble of awesomeness popped by reality every now and then. Or else they get terribly insufferable.
How about a driver stability shootout? Include the major platforms (Windows, OS X, and Linux) and compare:
* Stability in desktop environments (Windows Aero/OS X/KDE/Gnome)
Heh. So, a couple comments. A) You're calling windows stable? B) You think comparing benchmarks on OSX is fair, when neither vendor has nearly enough control to actually make the cards do what they *can*, and C) Really? KDE and Gnome are your "desktop" choices - not Compiz or any other desktop pretty-upper?
I think you need to get your terminology straightened around. Compiz, Aero and (Quartz Extreme and Core Image) are the desktop compositors you're looking to describe. And reliability isn't based solely on graphics drivers, but also on the interaction of the drivers with other drivers.
...so gamers can get closer to the real life they don't have.
I'm not sure why you think this is a bad thing. People play video games to avoid "real" life, so ... yeah, some gamers *are* looking for a life they don't have. Temporarily, to be sure. No one wants to be a black ops marine for any length of time when it involves torture and such. But in a game? Make that as lifelike as possible ... that's *why* I play games. To avoid real life. Because if real life was as interesting as, say, dragon age, I think I'd just go play that.
If your numbers don't match mine, than you're padding the traffic.
Sure. But they're not going to care about your router's stats.
Exactly. I once tried to tell a police officer that I wasn't going as fast as he said I was. I even measured it with my speedometer. Apparently, the people making the rules don't care too much for your opinion if it is different from theirs.
I'd suggest you take them to court, but people have been taking telecoms to court in the USA for decades... and you're still having the same problem - which leads me to believe that it's the system that's broken, not the players. Since you can't change the system... *shrugs*
As for accuracy in measuring usage - this a wire, and there's a single point which it leaves my house (router/modem), meaning I can simply monitor all traffic statistics on that interface. Even their modems track these statistics if you poke around in the interface. If your numbers don't match mine, than you're padding the traffic.
Although you are correct in theory, that's not how water or electricity use is measured or billed. It's almost like buying a car. Yes, the sticker price is one thing. But that's not the entire cost. Even if you avoid freight and delivery by buying used, you're still paying taxes. And even if you avoid ALL those fees, you still have insurance. And even if you avoid insurance, you've still got gas. And even if you're stealing gas, you're still "paying" with time.
Although the companies in the USA might call it metered billing based on usage, and they may not be clear about what you're being charged for, there is still overhead and the actual "cost" of usage will include more than digital bytes flowing across a cable.
Metered internet is not the future.
As described, it doesn't even make any sense either the reasons why or the implementation.
Yes, you're correct. Metered internet is the present for everywhere but the USA. And no one is really sure when USA broadband is going to catch up to the rest of the world ...
I'm not sure how this differs from the way they measure network usage on a cellphone. Wildly inaccurate, and damn-near-impossible to disprove in court.
Also, as a canadian, I've been living with metered billing for awhile. Given the complaints in the article, I have a hard time taking it seriously. When the difference is measured in gigabytes, but still in single digit percentages, I really can't feel any sympathy. Do you really need to transfer 300 gb in a month?
Then again, we don't have video streaming the same way that the US does. Something about american companies demanding outrageous rates for their licensing fees to out-of-state companies.
Sorry, I guess..
What am I, a history teacher? *shrugs* Oh. Yes, I am. And your kids are getting the education you pay for.
Build a gravity accelerated race track, film the cars, and analyze using free video analysis software.
Galileo did it with inclined planes, without video, and without video analysis software. How does the video and software make it any better?
Hmmm. Well, turing had a computer design back in the 1800s. Maybe you should be using that to post on slashdot, and I'll start teaching with 19th century techniques.
I wasn't the original AC in this post. And why is having a high UID bad? I just never bothered to sign up until recently. Or is it a matter of your epeen is bigger than mine?
Without a big epeen, how will I know how relevant your posts really are?
You can encourage your politicians to hate Americans -- then those politicians will notice that financial sector of your country is being run by people they hate, and in turn will take that control away.
And no, I don't know better solution, hatred is the most you can get out of politicians, so use that.
Actually, that's *not* how politics works. AT least, not outside the usa. Thanks for trying to apply your narrow world view to a broader problem of global economics, though.
Interesting, so you responded to my broad insult of Christianity (a specific religion, note, not all religions) with a broad insult of atheism? So I take it then that not being a hypocrite isn't part of life philosophy?
See, the real difference between you and me is that unlike you I'm freely going to admit to being an asshole on here. It's what I do. It's fun. I don't need convoluted justifications to make how I act more palatable to myself like you appear to.
Although I do love how you assume I'm opposed to all religions and a militant atheist. I'll put that on my list along with the time some atheist called me a fundie after I made fun of what he was saying.
I'm using your broad insults to create other, inversely proportional insults. That way, when I respond to your criticism with the exact opposite, and you refute my criticism, I only have to refer you to your rebuttal in order to disprove your rebuttal. What an interesting paradox! If your rebuttal disproves itself, can it be used as proof of inadequacy?
You see, I was being hypocritical on purpose. You, due to your inclusion of "Me me me" statements, don't have quite the same defense.
But thanks for coming out.
For all practical purposes (and considering that Einstein had to deal with society obsessed with religion), Einstein's mentioning of god at most counts as a metaphor for nature.
That's an interesting interpretation of the words of a dead man. I wonder if we can find another group of people that disagree with you. Hmm. Now, if that other group is a group of scientists ... does that make science bad? Or does it make people prone to conflict, and the re-interpretation of the ideas of dead men a bad thing?
Contrary to popular belief, not everything conforms to post-modernistic ideas.
As far as I am concerned, ZTE is exhibiting amazingly good taste.
That's a valid point. Until you consider that ZTE has been recently charged with unauthorized software use (AKA: Piracy), in order to avoid licensing fees.
... but only by accident, not out of choice.
So they may be exhibiting good taste
(Shrug) There's a clear and demonstrable inverse correlation between religiosity and IQ. Do you have any insight into the matter that doesn't involve wishful thinking and handwaving?
There's also a clear and demonstrable inverse correlation between wealth and happiness. And IQ and happiness. Do you have any insight that doesn't trivialize and avoid the topic at hand?
There *is* a false dichotomy between "Pro-brain" (as the OP said) and "pro-god". If einstein believing in god doesn't disprove your handwaiving and wishful thinking, I'm not sure what will.
I can't "prove" a theory, but I can easily "disprove" one. That's the problem with fundamentalist religion nuts. They don't understand that there is no absolute proof without absolute knowledge, and absolute knowledge is beyond the grasp of humanity... for the moment.
And how's that being-a-dickhead problem coming along?
Well, I've come out of the closet ... but the acceptance of my alternative lifestyle hasn't arrived. *Shrugs*. I guess not all lifestyle choices are equally valid, no matter what society says.
Odd, so far I've been handed religious texts by people, seen protests by people, heard loud outdoor preaching by people and even had them come to my door to bother me. None of those people were talking about atheism.
Or do you call it bothering only if they preach something you don't agree with?
No, mostly I call it preaching when it's objectionally tasteless. So yes, generally when I disagree with it. But also when I agree with it, but don't agree with the manner in which it is delivered. For an example of this second statement, read your OP that I was criticizing.
On an unrelated note, don't believe that everyone who criticizes you, also disagrees with you. That's another problem with the way-too-outspoken-atheist crowd. Somehow, they think that a) they have to be louder than the way-too-outspoken-religion crowd, and b) Each and every single person I encounter who is vehemently opposed to religion is also opposed to being critiqued. Trust me brother, we're on the same side. I just don't want you making me look dumb by association.
Either a) The chinese are frustrated by the security measures in place on W7 phones, and can't compete, or (much more likely) ... b) They've already been using W7 on their phones, but have changed the colours slightly. When challenged on the "so-called" similarities, they'll simply state that it was a Chinese invention first. Much like the RedBerry .
... well, I'm still waiting for a security measure on a computer that can be both practical and unhackable.
B? history repeating itself. A?
Then again I suppose Christians are all about being miserable and repressed no matter what the situation at hand.
Actually, I thought that was atheists - always running around, unsatisfied with their life and trying to convince others of their views ... rather than just letting us live in peace.
Hey man, what's wrong with cannibalism? It's a legitimate life choice. It's not like I'm KILLING people - they're already dead! What, your social rules are prudish and outdated, and have cause a lot of death (from starvation). In fact, cannibalism has enjoyed an underground movement ever since the victorian era, prior to which it was accepted (if not condoned) - because people accepted it as a fact of life! We need to update our social thinking and open our minds, brother!
Can we have a million man pride parade? Our tag line could be : I bet you can't eat just one, because you'll never go back!
I also asked if they wished to be associated with the type of damage that Exodus International has caused in numerous people's lives.
If only you knew how much damage the republican party has caused me, personally. And I'm not even american! Can I request that the USA come up with some sort of solution to finally stop them from ruining the financial sector of my country? I'm telling you, they're not even part of my country!
Oh, and can we thank Mike Godwin, for making every slashdot post redundant?
You probably cannot eliminate the urges, but if one actually wants to, and tries, they can repress those urges. It is similar to, an albeit much simpler impulse, to see some kind of food that looks tasty, but realize that you don't need it and it is better that you don't eat it. The impulse is there, but you can control the impulse, but again, only if you want to.
What a terrible example. It sounds like a defense of pedophilia. If someone can be gay but closeted, the gay community says "come out! You're still gay!", but if someone is a closeted pedophile... well, did you want them to come out too?
It doesn't change, you'd be surprised how far repression can get you. Until I realized that I might not be straight I had no idea that I wasn't.
I feel your pain. I've spent my life thinking I was gay. People teased me, I was laughed at a lot, and life was very difficult. Then I realized it wasn't homosexuality I was struggling with after all... just GAY-NESS.