This is the exact same argument for ASPs and the "network computer". We all know how badly they failed. Replacing internal IT resources is not the answer. Businesses are slowly finding out that the cost of good IT staff is far lower than the overall benefit to the company's bottom line, even if the executive staff cannot accurately describe what they do.
That is what IBM hope's to capitalize on: Executives that can't grasp the day to day IT duties. IBM has become a very slick pitch company. They'll take the CEO and a few VPs golfing and say, "Sure you have staff, but we have EXPERT staff. We do this for a living. We're IBM. We've done this a million times." Nevermind that a company's IT staff are also experts in the field and have better knowledge of the company than IBM. IBM can woo upper management better than most internal IT management structures can.
Except that no one wants to solve the "last mile" problem and actually sell service to the unwashed masses. Now that wireless seems to be the last mile solution, I highly doubt fiber will make it's way to our homes. Unless you live in California.
However, Enterprises don't care about developer effeciency. They care about end-user effeciency. If an application has more code than it's rivals but will allow all 50,000 employees and maybe even the company's customers to be more effecient, then who cares about some extra lines of code?
My point is that that rate (if true) can't be any better for any other army in history. War is won by killing the enemy. And we killed many of them. Knock it all you want, but the US was effective in WWII.
Quite true. But many here at Slashdot took that as proof that the US has lost it's freedoms and crowed it unmercifully. European perception of the US is far different than the reality over here. The two articles do highlight the differences of what is tolerated in each society. Europeans tend to be agreeable to giving up some liberties for the (supposed) benefit of society, while Americans tend to be (violently) opposed to such surrender.
If Google took them down from it's US site, then they did so voluntarily, not by government decree. Important difference. But also it highlights how oppression elsewhere can chill freedom everywhere.
Which would probably correlate to the percentage actually on the front line and fighting at any given moment or to the percentage actually using rifles as opposed to grenades, tanks, planes, bombs, etc. But hey, tell that to all the dead Germans and Japanese.
Not really. In the US cars are a known commodity. All you need to get the research, development, and manufacturing capability for is funding. Funding is, relatively, easy to come by in the US. You won't need to sell at Big 3 and Japanese volume to be wildly successful. However, to start a company you would have to research all the LAWS you would have to comply with. Then you would have to PROVE you comply and be prepared for an onslaught of lawsuits a la Tucker. That is the additional barrier that keeps small car companies from forming or succeeding. The Japanese car companies were a) already in the US market and b) already large, well-funded corporations as these laws were enacted. Let's just say they were just as happy to see these laws as the Big 3. It makes prefect sense that they would want to keep their competition known. These guys don't want to worry about some new, little guy who is more responsive to the consumer. If there were 10 American car companies in addition to foreign automakers you would see dramatically lower prices. Prices that would not sustain the large, lumbering companies we see today.
NO. This will lead to more spam. Spam that can't be attacked with laws like those on the West Coast. Plus it will place a barrier to entry for new potential spammers. Thus, we will have a definite, concise, legal group of spammers to deal with. This would give them legitimacy they don't need or deserve.
Think about it. How many new car companies have you seen pop up in the last 30 years? The barrier to entry is high because of the 'safty' laws the Big 3 encourages the government to pile on.
I remember some Slashdot story. Something about the US being, oh what 17th in the world for free press? France and Germany ranked in the top 10 if memory serves (and I am only going by memory here). Guess I have a different opinion of what free press is than the enlightened lawmakers of France and Germany.
The Clash song Know Your Rights has never been more appropriate.
Except if anyone bothered to read the article, the ranks are about how much the editors perceive each country values freedom of the press. That's alot different than actually having freedom of the press, and just might be a bit biased.
You guys have it all wrong. Novell's problem isn't marketing. The problem is that damn few applications run on Novell. That means if you implement Novell, you'll still end up running Microsoft servers for your apps. Novell is far more expensive to license than Win2k. Pretty soon it dawns on someone that everything you're doing with Novell you can do with Win2k, but not vice-versa. Then the migration to AD is on. Plus there is Novell's client. Want to make a Novell end user's jaw hit the table? Uninstall the Novell client then log him in. The Novell client is buggy and slow, and only the most important piece for getting the clients connected.
And what is being exposed here? "He will have exposed Microsoft's true colors and intentions!!" Hello. Earth to Slashdot: Microsoft is a for profit company. They have been proposing a system of licensing like this for years. Subscription based software ring a bell? How about Activation Codes? This guy isn't exposing anything. MS has been very vocal in these intentions. That Palladium would be used has always been a given. You guys seriously need to step away from the crack pipe.
There is also the costs involved in keeping your support staff up to date. IT is very reluctant to spend money for a platform that only a small handful might use. Then there is the cost of sending IT personel out to install software in the day and age of automated install. It will only adopt non-MS desktops when the support tools for those OSes include automated installations like Ghost, RIS, GPO policy, or WinInstall.
Because users of non-MS OSes tend to attack everyone who uses MS. Not the other way around. Look at the comments here at Slashdot. "Well, they were using M$, so of course they were stupid" What the zealots of other OSes fail to realize is that, yes many people use MS OSes without problems and it RUNS ALL THE SOFTWARE THEY WANT TO RUN. They don't care about the techno superiority of some other OS if it doesn't allow them to run the software they want to use. Then there are those of us who like to tweak, and MS runs on an OPEN hardware architecture. Major advantage. Some people try MS and have issues and vow not to go back. They just can't grasp the idea that some of us just don't run into all those problems on the platform. They just assume everyone who doesn't think like they do is stupid. (Think Different! Just like all the other sheep!!!)
And yes, there was time in the bad old days when a variety of platforms existed and there was no middle ground in file compatibility. Couldn't share with friends with different computers. The marketplace settled on a standard (the x86 space with MS) and computing moved forward. Today, we DO have a middle ground with file compatibility. It is called the Internet. Expect the variety of computer platforms to flourish again. But that is just beginning, and businesses will stick with the tools that suit their needs. And those needs are scarcely understood by the Slashdot crowd.
Your reply highlights why Mac users get treated with such derision. Everything you've accused the Wintel crowd of is actually applicable to the Mac zelots. It is them who treat other users with bigotry. Been that way since the 80's. We in the Wintel world keep on working, and you keep marginalizing yourself. I'm sure there are plenty of Mac Zelots that are plenty peeved that Mac finally released an OS worth considering. Now the zelots won't be sooooo exclusive.
Yes, the retail cost of a new Mac is more than your average clone, or built-it-yerself project, but this is not where Apple is positioned.
But that is what Apple is up against. You can try and claim, "Oh, but we're not competing against that." But both boxen do the same things: web, email, games, etc. So they are directly comparable and directly compete against each other. Since the numbers are overwhelmingly against Apple, we can see how successful they are.
Ah Zealots. Aren't we fun?
That's rich comming from the (loud) mouth of linux, Slashdot. What's the matter guys, don't like the image you see in the mirror?
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This is the exact same argument for ASPs and the "network computer". We all know how badly they failed. Replacing internal IT resources is not the answer. Businesses are slowly finding out that the cost of good IT staff is far lower than the overall benefit to the company's bottom line, even if the executive staff cannot accurately describe what they do.
That is what IBM hope's to capitalize on: Executives that can't grasp the day to day IT duties. IBM has become a very slick pitch company. They'll take the CEO and a few VPs golfing and say, "Sure you have staff, but we have EXPERT staff. We do this for a living. We're IBM. We've done this a million times." Nevermind that a company's IT staff are also experts in the field and have better knowledge of the company than IBM. IBM can woo upper management better than most internal IT management structures can.
The BOFH in me just got a wicked grin thinking about knocking millions of corporate users off the network. :-)
Also, the new trend in ISP service is metered access. That would kill you proposal in a big fat hurry.
Except that no one wants to solve the "last mile" problem and actually sell service to the unwashed masses. Now that wireless seems to be the last mile solution, I highly doubt fiber will make it's way to our homes. Unless you live in California.
However, Enterprises don't care about developer effeciency. They care about end-user effeciency. If an application has more code than it's rivals but will allow all 50,000 employees and maybe even the company's customers to be more effecient, then who cares about some extra lines of code?
My point is that that rate (if true) can't be any better for any other army in history. War is won by killing the enemy. And we killed many of them. Knock it all you want, but the US was effective in WWII.
Quite true. But many here at Slashdot took that as proof that the US has lost it's freedoms and crowed it unmercifully. European perception of the US is far different than the reality over here. The two articles do highlight the differences of what is tolerated in each society. Europeans tend to be agreeable to giving up some liberties for the (supposed) benefit of society, while Americans tend to be (violently) opposed to such surrender.
If Google took them down from it's US site, then they did so voluntarily, not by government decree. Important difference. But also it highlights how oppression elsewhere can chill freedom everywhere.
Amazing since it was +4 this morning. Thanks for the shout!
Which would probably correlate to the percentage actually on the front line and fighting at any given moment or to the percentage actually using rifles as opposed to grenades, tanks, planes, bombs, etc. But hey, tell that to all the dead Germans and Japanese.
Not really. In the US cars are a known commodity. All you need to get the research, development, and manufacturing capability for is funding. Funding is, relatively, easy to come by in the US. You won't need to sell at Big 3 and Japanese volume to be wildly successful. However, to start a company you would have to research all the LAWS you would have to comply with. Then you would have to PROVE you comply and be prepared for an onslaught of lawsuits a la Tucker. That is the additional barrier that keeps small car companies from forming or succeeding. The Japanese car companies were a) already in the US market and b) already large, well-funded corporations as these laws were enacted. Let's just say they were just as happy to see these laws as the Big 3. It makes prefect sense that they would want to keep their competition known. These guys don't want to worry about some new, little guy who is more responsive to the consumer. If there were 10 American car companies in addition to foreign automakers you would see dramatically lower prices. Prices that would not sustain the large, lumbering companies we see today.
NO. This will lead to more spam. Spam that can't be attacked with laws like those on the West Coast. Plus it will place a barrier to entry for new potential spammers. Thus, we will have a definite, concise, legal group of spammers to deal with. This would give them legitimacy they don't need or deserve.
Think about it. How many new car companies have you seen pop up in the last 30 years? The barrier to entry is high because of the 'safty' laws the Big 3 encourages the government to pile on.
I remember some Slashdot story. Something about the US being, oh what 17th in the world for free press? France and Germany ranked in the top 10 if memory serves (and I am only going by memory here). Guess I have a different opinion of what free press is than the enlightened lawmakers of France and Germany.
The Clash song Know Your Rights has never been more appropriate.
Except if anyone bothered to read the article, the ranks are about how much the editors perceive each country values freedom of the press. That's alot different than actually having freedom of the press, and just might be a bit biased.
You guys have it all wrong. Novell's problem isn't marketing. The problem is that damn few applications run on Novell. That means if you implement Novell, you'll still end up running Microsoft servers for your apps. Novell is far more expensive to license than Win2k. Pretty soon it dawns on someone that everything you're doing with Novell you can do with Win2k, but not vice-versa. Then the migration to AD is on. Plus there is Novell's client. Want to make a Novell end user's jaw hit the table? Uninstall the Novell client then log him in. The Novell client is buggy and slow, and only the most important piece for getting the clients connected.
And what is being exposed here? "He will have exposed Microsoft's true colors and intentions!!" Hello. Earth to Slashdot: Microsoft is a for profit company. They have been proposing a system of licensing like this for years. Subscription based software ring a bell? How about Activation Codes? This guy isn't exposing anything. MS has been very vocal in these intentions. That Palladium would be used has always been a given. You guys seriously need to step away from the crack pipe.
Redundant? Guess the truth hurts.
Good riddence! Don't hesitate, file chapter 11 asap! There is more than enough consumer demand for a more consumer friendly hollywood company.
There is also the costs involved in keeping your support staff up to date. IT is very reluctant to spend money for a platform that only a small handful might use. Then there is the cost of sending IT personel out to install software in the day and age of automated install. It will only adopt non-MS desktops when the support tools for those OSes include automated installations like Ghost, RIS, GPO policy, or WinInstall.
Because users of non-MS OSes tend to attack everyone who uses MS. Not the other way around. Look at the comments here at Slashdot. "Well, they were using M$, so of course they were stupid" What the zealots of other OSes fail to realize is that, yes many people use MS OSes without problems and it RUNS ALL THE SOFTWARE THEY WANT TO RUN. They don't care about the techno superiority of some other OS if it doesn't allow them to run the software they want to use. Then there are those of us who like to tweak, and MS runs on an OPEN hardware architecture. Major advantage. Some people try MS and have issues and vow not to go back. They just can't grasp the idea that some of us just don't run into all those problems on the platform. They just assume everyone who doesn't think like they do is stupid. (Think Different! Just like all the other sheep!!!)
And yes, there was time in the bad old days when a variety of platforms existed and there was no middle ground in file compatibility. Couldn't share with friends with different computers. The marketplace settled on a standard (the x86 space with MS) and computing moved forward. Today, we DO have a middle ground with file compatibility. It is called the Internet. Expect the variety of computer platforms to flourish again. But that is just beginning, and businesses will stick with the tools that suit their needs. And those needs are scarcely understood by the Slashdot crowd.
Your reply highlights why Mac users get treated with such derision. Everything you've accused the Wintel crowd of is actually applicable to the Mac zelots. It is them who treat other users with bigotry. Been that way since the 80's. We in the Wintel world keep on working, and you keep marginalizing yourself. I'm sure there are plenty of Mac Zelots that are plenty peeved that Mac finally released an OS worth considering. Now the zelots won't be sooooo exclusive.
It's DIY. Not the force-fed, pre-packaged, hand-holding, and "We think different, just like every other Mac user" crap comming from Apple.
Yes, the retail cost of a new Mac is more than your average clone, or built-it-yerself project, but this is not where Apple is positioned.
But that is what Apple is up against. You can try and claim, "Oh, but we're not competing against that." But both boxen do the same things: web, email, games, etc. So they are directly comparable and directly compete against each other. Since the numbers are overwhelmingly against Apple, we can see how successful they are.
I would like to call a moritorium on Slashdot linking to itself. Its cheap and defeats the purpose.
Ah Zealots. Aren't we fun? That's rich comming from the (loud) mouth of linux, Slashdot. What's the matter guys, don't like the image you see in the mirror?