The Navy has MS all over its PC's both on shore commands and onboard ships. Fortunately, the fire control systems use a completely seperate method of operation (won't discuss, don't ask). And our backup computer systems (COTS based) runs HP-Unix. Thank God the supply people have their stuff straight. Logistics is handled through a *nix. But if we don't get MS off those f***ing PC's, some bright individual is going to learn how to connect it to the combat systems and then we should all worry about all hell breaking loose. Fortunately, it takes a live person to press a button. I don't trust a computer to say whether or not we're going to start WW3. Digital Wokan, Tribal mage of the electronics age
The guy running the group is a marketing director?!?! That's like asking a car salesman what that showroom model will/won't do. No thanks. I'll talk to the engineers at least. Digital Wokan, Tribal mage of the electronics age
I don't think that's going to happen. I've heard of regular users having the ability to write drivers for windows. So any good size company should be able to do it without help from monoposoft. Digital Wokan, Tribal mage of the electronics age
If you're sick of bloated OS's and interfaces, why are you using Windows? Perhaps you should switch to PC-DOS 7.0 and find something like Lynx to use. That combo would suit your mindset a little better I think. Digital Wokan, Tribal mage of the electronics age
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I may be no Slackware guy, but I have to agree. And your 90% sounds about right. After all, 90% of the computers out there are running Micro~1 OS's and many of those people have to be weaned off their GUI. I'm no exception. I was relieved to learn that Linux's command line was not very different from DOS's. But I enjoy working in GUI's, too. I figure I'm about 50/50 since a lot of what I do involves having several console windows open in X while I'm working on some Xprogram. So if any Slackware users are going after "A Life in Hell", be aware that I've got his back. (And the gang I run with carries Tomahawk missiles.) Digital Wokan, Tribal mage of the electronics age
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It would be nice if they'd given users a multiple choice on tools to install. For example: vi, emacs, joe, or pico. Netscape or Lynx. FTP or NCFTP. KDE, Gnome, WindowMaker, FVWM, or AfterStep. I realize there are more options in each of those categories. I'm just listing the first ones to come to mind. But at least with such a system, users would still know they're getting each of the tools they want. And optional tools could have a None option. As is though, easyLinux doesn't really remove the choice. You just have to learn enough to be able to download and install different tools that you may want. Take my Windoze box, I couldn't stand the limitations of Notepad for basic text editing, so I got Notepad++ instead. I didn't want an unstable browser tied to an already unstable OS. So I got Netscape. (At least when it crashes, it doesn't take half my system with it.) I'm still learning Linux. So I'm trying all kinds of programs out. Most of which weren't included with my distribution (Mandrake 5.3). So all is not lost. A determined newbie wants to know he/she can have a working system quickly for peace of mind, and then they'll start experimenting with the options. I, personally, was a little unsure what to install when presented with all my options. And I didn't get my system the way I wanted until I had tried at least 10 different full re-installs.
You can optimize for Pentium with Red Hat. Compile GCC and your Kernel with the options stating you have a Pentium system. Digital Wokan, Tribal mage of the electronics age
I just thought I'd point that out. And I wish someone would step forward and call them the liars they are for claiming to be "the Internet" on their commercials. AOL is an online service, they have their own network - seperate from the internet. They provided the ability to access the internet because if they hadn't, people would have jumped ship to find an ISP. AOL has only recently begun the move to format their content in HTML since it's old for prevented non-AOL members from accessing their advertiser content. (Notice it wasn't done for the users.) AOL=Online Networking for Dummies
Splatty, I think I know a solution to your problem. Don't get it unless someone sticks a gun to your head and forces you to. (That would be one really desperate for attention kernel hacker.) I'm working off 2.2.5 on one system and 2.2.7 on another. And if I'm going to upgrade either of those, I'm going to learn how to use patches instead. Alternate solution to your problem. Give each release a week or two. You won't be "l33t bl33d1ng 3dg3" (man, I hate that style of writing), but you'll be more likely to have a truly stable kernel. Digital Wokan, Tribal mage of the electronics age
Well then, how about we come up with some really good GPL code that implements a really good equation. Digital Wokan, Tribal mage of the electronics age
I have several friends who have seen me spend more time on Linux and less on Windows. They're interested, especially because of the price. They've even seen how easy some software installations go (./configure, make, make install). Most of them are rather impressed with the fact that once Linux is installed it is almost crashproof (I haven't managed to crash mine yet). On the other hand, many times Windows will crash the first time it goes to install Plug-and-Pray (no typo) devices. Digital Wokan, Tribal mage of the electronics age
Even if it were possible to file one against him, it should be dismissed. After all, that's what happened when someone tried suing Monoposoft for all the downtime they suffered when NT crashed. Digital Wokan, Tribal mage of the electronics age
I think people need to stand up and demand their anonymity. If something is proven to be a lie, the owner can remove it upon receipt of the proof. If possible,/. shouldn't log the IP's of visitors. You can't subpeona records that were never made. That would, of course, mean that people would be entrusted with behaving around/. as far as attacking the service itself goes. (Though, I suppose a good raider would leave no traces anyway.) Digital Wokan, Tribal mage of the electronics age
I still use Windoze for some things, people. (Like getting my work done while I'm still learning Linux.) How about we alter proposal #2 there to banning Microsoft (not windows) browsers instead. At least that way, if someone really wants to post, they've got to at least be smart enough to be able to install another browser (or have a friend do it). Digital Wokan, Tribal mage of the electronics age
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Man, even those aggregate people are just going to have to be annoyed by me. I even enter contests with bogus info. Someday, someone's going to win something they didn't enter to win. I wonder if Uncle Samantha can still collect taxes on such winnings. Digital Wokan, Tribal mage of the electronics age
Seems like so many people here are on machines connected to T1's, college LAN's, and 28.8/56K modems. Unless you people are playing Quake at the same time you're trying to view Red Hat's site, I don't see how they're wasting your bandwidth. Some bandwidth waste is good. The effects make the site easier and more pleasant to deal with. Aesthetics (sp?) count you know. I don't feel like reading black text against a gray background all day long. (As if Slashdot doesn't waste bandwidth, using images for story subject groups instead of a bandwidth saving text link.)
I'm sure someone must have reverse engineered some parts of Winblows by now. Even a lump of cole as big as that must have a couple of little diamonds worth extracting in it.
Spotted on the M$ website... "Many of our employees have never written a line of code."
Some people here are a strange lot. They don't want big brother glancing over their shoulders, but when someone else's anonimity bothers them, they forget their own desires for privacy and call for the heads of those they can not identify. I posted once or twice as a "coward" before I finally registered as a user here. It wasn't even a desire for anonymity so much as not wanting yet another account somewhere to deal with. I know I wouldn't want any of my future employers reading some of what I write. They might consider some of my personal views contrary to their own and not hire me. My current employer... well, I can tell you now that you should Never Again Volunteer Yourself. But I do know that not everyone shares my "don't give a damn what you think of me" attitude. And still others may be contradicting an ideology pushed by their employer (which may have superiors reading these posts if they are a tech oriented company). Anonimity shouldn't be optional, it should be a right.
Publisher - You mean people didn't realize that they could just use MS Word about as effectively? Office - Good, but StarOffice does it just as well and it's free to us individuals. Games - You admit playing a game from MS other than solitaire, freecell, or minefield? Compilers - I should see if you can compile a Linux kernel with a Visual C++ compiler just for kicks. Maybe an install routine that installs Linux in place of the Winderz that compiled it. Hmmmmmm......
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The Navy has MS all over its PC's both on shore commands and onboard ships. Fortunately, the fire control systems use a completely seperate method of operation (won't discuss, don't ask). And our backup computer systems (COTS based) runs HP-Unix.
Thank God the supply people have their stuff straight. Logistics is handled through a *nix. But if we don't get MS off those f***ing PC's, some bright individual is going to learn how to connect it to the combat systems and then we should all worry about all hell breaking loose.
Fortunately, it takes a live person to press a button. I don't trust a computer to say whether or not we're going to start WW3.
Digital Wokan, Tribal mage of the electronics age
The guy running the group is a marketing director?!?! That's like asking a car salesman what that showroom model will/won't do. No thanks. I'll talk to the engineers at least.
Digital Wokan, Tribal mage of the electronics age
I don't think that's going to happen. I've heard of regular users having the ability to write drivers for windows. So any good size company should be able to do it without help from monoposoft.
Digital Wokan, Tribal mage of the electronics age
If you're sick of bloated OS's and interfaces, why are you using Windows? Perhaps you should switch to PC-DOS 7.0 and find something like Lynx to use. That combo would suit your mindset a little better I think.
Digital Wokan, Tribal mage of the electronics age
I may be no Slackware guy, but I have to agree. And your 90% sounds about right. After all, 90% of the computers out there are running Micro~1 OS's and many of those people have to be weaned off their GUI.
I'm no exception. I was relieved to learn that Linux's command line was not very different from DOS's.
But I enjoy working in GUI's, too. I figure I'm about 50/50 since a lot of what I do involves having several console windows open in X while I'm working on some Xprogram.
So if any Slackware users are going after "A Life in Hell", be aware that I've got his back. (And the gang I run with carries Tomahawk missiles.)
Digital Wokan, Tribal mage of the electronics age
It would be nice if they'd given users a multiple choice on tools to install. For example: vi, emacs, joe, or pico. Netscape or Lynx. FTP or NCFTP. KDE, Gnome, WindowMaker, FVWM, or AfterStep.
I realize there are more options in each of those categories. I'm just listing the first ones to come to mind.
But at least with such a system, users would still know they're getting each of the tools they want. And optional tools could have a None option.
As is though, easyLinux doesn't really remove the choice. You just have to learn enough to be able to download and install different tools that you may want.
Take my Windoze box, I couldn't stand the limitations of Notepad for basic text editing, so I got Notepad++ instead. I didn't want an unstable browser tied to an already unstable OS. So I got Netscape. (At least when it crashes, it doesn't take half my system with it.)
I'm still learning Linux. So I'm trying all kinds of programs out. Most of which weren't included with my distribution (Mandrake 5.3).
So all is not lost. A determined newbie wants to know he/she can have a working system quickly for peace of mind, and then they'll start experimenting with the options. I, personally, was a little unsure what to install when presented with all my options. And I didn't get my system the way I wanted until I had tried at least 10 different full re-installs.
Digital Wokan, Tribal mage of the electronics age
You can optimize for Pentium with Red Hat. Compile GCC and your Kernel with the options stating you have a Pentium system.
Digital Wokan, Tribal mage of the electronics age
I just thought I'd point that out. And I wish someone would step forward and call them the liars they are for claiming to be "the Internet" on their commercials.
AOL is an online service, they have their own network - seperate from the internet. They provided the ability to access the internet because if they hadn't, people would have jumped ship to find an ISP.
AOL has only recently begun the move to format their content in HTML since it's old for prevented non-AOL members from accessing their advertiser content. (Notice it wasn't done for the users.)
AOL=Online Networking for Dummies
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Splatty, I think I know a solution to your problem. Don't get it unless someone sticks a gun to your head and forces you to. (That would be one really desperate for attention kernel hacker.)
I'm working off 2.2.5 on one system and 2.2.7 on another. And if I'm going to upgrade either of those, I'm going to learn how to use patches instead.
Alternate solution to your problem. Give each release a week or two. You won't be "l33t bl33d1ng 3dg3" (man, I hate that style of writing), but you'll be more likely to have a truly stable kernel.
Digital Wokan, Tribal mage of the electronics age
Well then, how about we come up with some really good GPL code that implements a really good equation.
Digital Wokan, Tribal mage of the electronics age
I have several friends who have seen me spend more time on Linux and less on Windows. They're interested, especially because of the price. They've even seen how easy some software installations go (./configure, make, make install).
Most of them are rather impressed with the fact that once Linux is installed it is almost crashproof (I haven't managed to crash mine yet).
On the other hand, many times Windows will crash the first time it goes to install Plug-and-Pray (no typo) devices.
Digital Wokan, Tribal mage of the electronics age
Even if it were possible to file one against him, it should be dismissed. After all, that's what happened when someone tried suing Monoposoft for all the downtime they suffered when NT crashed.
Digital Wokan, Tribal mage of the electronics age
I think people need to stand up and demand their anonymity. If something is proven to be a lie, the owner can remove it upon receipt of the proof. /. shouldn't log the IP's of visitors. You can't subpeona records that were never made. /. as far as attacking the service itself goes. (Though, I suppose a good raider would leave no traces anyway.)
If possible,
That would, of course, mean that people would be entrusted with behaving around
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I still use Windoze for some things, people. (Like getting my work done while I'm still learning Linux.)
How about we alter proposal #2 there to banning Microsoft (not windows) browsers instead. At least that way, if someone really wants to post, they've got to at least be smart enough to be able to install another browser (or have a friend do it).
Digital Wokan, Tribal mage of the electronics age
Man, even those aggregate people are just going to have to be annoyed by me. I even enter contests with bogus info. Someday, someone's going to win something they didn't enter to win. I wonder if Uncle Samantha can still collect taxes on such winnings.
Digital Wokan, Tribal mage of the electronics age
Seems like so many people here are on machines connected to T1's, college LAN's, and 28.8/56K modems. Unless you people are playing Quake at the same time you're trying to view Red Hat's site, I don't see how they're wasting your bandwidth.
Some bandwidth waste is good. The effects make the site easier and more pleasant to deal with. Aesthetics (sp?) count you know. I don't feel like reading black text against a gray background all day long.
(As if Slashdot doesn't waste bandwidth, using images for story subject groups instead of a bandwidth saving text link.)
Hey, if no one but Microsoft used their crap, it wouldn't bother me whatsoever.
I'm sure someone must have reverse engineered some parts of Winblows by now. Even a lump of cole as big as that must have a couple of little diamonds worth extracting in it.
Spotted on the M$ website...
"Many of our employees have never written a line of code."
Some people here are a strange lot. They don't want big brother glancing over their shoulders, but when someone else's anonimity bothers them, they forget their own desires for privacy and call for the heads of those they can not identify.
I posted once or twice as a "coward" before I finally registered as a user here. It wasn't even a desire for anonymity so much as not wanting yet another account somewhere to deal with.
I know I wouldn't want any of my future employers reading some of what I write. They might consider some of my personal views contrary to their own and not hire me.
My current employer... well, I can tell you now that you should Never Again Volunteer Yourself.
But I do know that not everyone shares my "don't give a damn what you think of me" attitude. And still others may be contradicting an ideology pushed by their employer (which may have superiors reading these posts if they are a tech oriented company).
Anonimity shouldn't be optional, it should be a right.
The "no copy to return" option should definitely be added to the poll. The way that poll reads is something microsoft would use to prove their point.
Publisher - You mean people didn't realize that they could just use MS Word about as effectively?
Office - Good, but StarOffice does it just as well and it's free to us individuals.
Games - You admit playing a game from MS other than solitaire, freecell, or minefield?
Compilers - I should see if you can compile a Linux kernel with a Visual C++ compiler just for kicks. Maybe an install routine that installs Linux in place of the Winderz that compiled it. Hmmmmmm......
I believe your drumbeats are becoming deafening.