>> Im mean in comparion with x86 PPC is really good, >You mean more expensive for less performance?
No, as in more performance, cleaner architecture.
>>Easly scaleable with unix, so you can have multi cpu's. >Actually I don't think it supports multiple processors. (yet?)
Does, there just isn't really the hardware to do it now. The software is there.
>x86 systems are still vastly cheaper though, so you'll have to find someone willing to make PPC boards that people will actually buy.
Cheaper, but not by as huge a margin as you think. There is also progress on the 3rd-party-hardware front since IBM mad a freely usable reference design. Don't have a link, but a company in Texas is working on non-Mac PPC boards.
>> Well given the was OSX is, it may be just as easy to run OSX on top, and have a vm or something >> to run linux under it >This is actually pretty easy to do on a PPC. See http://www.maconlinux.com/
Easy for a trained Linux user, yes. Easy for an *average* user, no. Hell, it took me quite a while, and I am not exectly the typical end user. OS X, on the other hand, will be much easier to configure for legacy Mac OS support.
Speech recognition premiered with the Quadra 660AV and 840AV, if I remember correctly, and will run on any Power Mac - Not just new stuff. Get the facts straight, before you start saying an old mac is good for nothing.
That not withstanding, I see your side. I have the honor of using a PM 6100/60 for some minor stuff at work, and let me tell you, I run for the nearest newer machine whenever I get find the need to use Netscape. Still, the 6100 is servicable. I can do anything on it, and I'm running MacOS 8.6 on it. (I may run 9 soon...just haven't upgraded.) It's functional but slow, runs all the latest apps. It is also 6 years old. Can you say that most any PC is still functional?
(On another tangent, 6100s make great little DNS boxes and small FTP servers, as long as you are willing to play with mkLinux. Small, built-in ethernet, and very reliable hardware. We have one on active duty as a secondary DNS at work, and would possible make it primary if we had the time to transfer the DNS records from the primary machine. This may get changed when we move to BIND 8.)
I have the "Ask Slashdot" stuff in one of my slashboxes, and there is ALWAYS stuff in there that wasn't on the main page, or at least not long enough for me to see it. I kind of wish that all Ask Slashdot stuff got equal treatment, because the issues raised are often very interesting, such as this.
I have contemplated getting a job overseas after I graduate, and so this would be a great discussion for me to read. If only more people could see it...
I use a BP6 with 366 MHz celerons at 550, and I get temperatures in the 39-45 deg. C range usually, and no problems. I have chatted with hard-core overclocker types who insist this is too hot, but these are the same people who also insist on using peltiers to cool their chips to sub-zero temps.;^) As has been mentioned already, the official specs allow for much higher temperatures.
As an intesting OT note, various OSes appear to put differing amounts of load on a CPU. In windows, with the d.net client running, my temp is around 40-42. In BeOS, with nothing running, the CPUs hover around 45-47 degrees. My best guess is that the Be idle loop includes some sort of instructions that make the CPU work more than even the d.net client does in Windows. I have no numbers for Linux, but that may be interesting to check out...
I am running a BP6 with celerons overclocked to 550, and am happy with it. Unfortunately, it has been more or less decided that the BP6 will not be ably to run Pentium !!!s. The hardwae is incompatible, so your only real solution is a Slot 1 motherboard. While they will (supposedly) have adapter cards to run the new socket P!!!, don's rely on compatibility.
I would recommend the BP6 for now, and get a board built for the socket P!!!s later. It will be inexpensive now, ant the money you saved now will get you better hardware later.
Right now intel's in a big transition, heck, even the Celerons will be updated to run (officially) on a 100 MHz bus sometime. You may just want to take a wait-and-see approach.
1) Student maturity - at what point are students mature enough to carry a computer around without wasting endless hours on desktop frills, games, and chat? Seventh grade seems too early to me.
IF win95 has protected memory, explain this to me: How come Netcape can take down an entire machine? I have seen it happen repeatedly, first the cursor is corrupted, then a second later the machine refuses to respond. You can blame it on Navigator's bugginess, I have no issues with that statement. I just want to know why the hell the machine went down too.
I have the BP6 with a couple of celerons (366s!) overclocked to 550. Linux and NT work absolutely great, with the exception of the DMA/66 bus on board. The NT drivers can be a pain to install, and I really don't know about the status of Linux drivers. It's not an issue for me, since I only have DMA/33 drives, so the extra high-speed ports go unused. Which means, if you didn't imply it from the above, that the BP6 has 4 IDE connectors total. Great for a full-tower case. BTW, I have used RedHat 6 and 6.1, and Mandrake 6.1 with success. The both recognize both processors fine, I get about 1100 BogoMips.
You can't use it on your Win machines? Huh? That must be caused by hardware constraints, then, because QuickTime is available for both Macs and Win32. Heck, work was the only place I got the new Star Wars trailer, and we run NT 4.
That's like the 1,000-Mile-High club or something...
Anyway, what about people renting NASA's "vomit comet" for experimentation? It's that plane they can take to the upper atmosphere and then gently nose down, providing the effect of zero-G for five minutes. Or was it fifteen? That'd be even better. I bet it's much cheaper than a shuttle ride, and suitable for a "quickie" if you did it right.
And it is available for public use, they rented it to film the space scenes in the movie Apollo 13. All I can say is, that would be heck of a good time on your honeymoon.
Which brings up the subject of pornos, as mentioned in an earlier thread. Some of the bigger studios might be able to afford it for their filmmaking projects...
Notice the aforementioned "survey results?" Look at the last four questions. They make me think the art was slanted towards semi-realistic pieces to begin with. I mean, how do you answer those if you prefer abstract art?
One more thing: the least favorite for Italy is golden. It has it all: Elvis, a Power Ranger, and male nekkidness. Not only that, but violence (or maybe the arrows are a form of self-expression for the man?) Now if only it was the Pink Ranger that was filled full of arrows...
Well then why not keep VHF around? I think it's important to keep some form of analog on the air for at least a while into the 21st century - digression: you know, the century that starts in 2001, not 2000:^) - possibly even for an example you mentioned: public safety, or emergency use. People will have four analog TVs in their homes left over from this age and one HDTV. What about when the digital transmitter goes down? For other assorted emergencies, analog will still have usefulness.
I strongly support keeping both transmissions on-line, or at least giving stations the option to do so if they're willing to spend the money on the extra maintenance. We could stop granting new licenses, but don't force the analog to suddenly drop from the air altogether.
Besides, what about all those guys that just bought big-screen TVs in the last year or so: how will they watch sports in 2009? They just blew all their cash for the next ten years; they can't afford a digital/analog converter.:^)
I can definitely agree with Mprx on this one. 25 fps just isn't enough for me. The vertical refresh isn't as important to me as the overall frame rate. when the image changes only 25 times a second, it's irritating to my eyes. I don't have much experience with PAL, but I know movie theaters bug the crap out of me. I can almost see independent frames. i realize that movies are even slower than PAL, but I still like to have as fast a frame rate as possible.
This brings up a question: Is PAL a sequential or interlaced format? I love NTSC's interlacing, it allows the image to seem closer to 60 fps than the actual 30 fps it provides.
Which one? You better NOT be referring to Billy Corgan of Smashing Pumpkins fame....:^)
SP is one fo my all-time faves, but I listen to a wide variety. My recent hit list has consisted of:
Smashing Pumpkins Radiohead (Great UK sounds.) Chris Cornell (former lead of Soundgarden) Tori Amos Rasputina (Unique. Refreshing. The UnRock. Give it a listen, you may like it.) Nine Inch Nails David Bowie (mostly the recent stuff) The Cars. (70s Synth Done Right(TM)) Depeche Mode God Lives Underwater (Very nice electronic) garbage (i get to go to a concert here on campus this Friday! Yay!!!) Newsboys (the best Christian out there) Weezer Bob & Tom (great fun morning show. listen and be amazed.)
basically, I listen to anything but rap or country (although Garth B.'s recent pseudo-album is kinda nifty). Yes, i even have a soft spot for classical. and music from anime.
>Those look cool. I should get one for a friend >who recently rolled over his laptop with his >car!! Neither survived (note I didn't say drove >over...)
Neither as in the car + PC, or as in the *friend* + PC?
Yeah, but I bet the mice they grew the fingers in were harmed. This operation was probbly fatal.
Unless you're one of THOSE vegetarians who thinks not all animals are created equal, this is just as bad as taking a trip to the local McDonalds for a burger.
some of you commented that be's server was down, but as of about 6:20 central (US Daylight) time, I could load entire pages without web-server-socket problems.
hopefully it will stay up for the remainder of my little browsing excursion.
if anyone manages to crack the "logon" and "password" (nice theme), why not spread it around so's we can all get loot? Show them what "hackers" can do. They practically invite it.
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>> Im mean in comparion with x86 PPC is really good,
>You mean more expensive for less performance?
No, as in more performance, cleaner architecture.
>>Easly scaleable with unix, so you can have multi cpu's.
>Actually I don't think it supports multiple processors. (yet?)
Does, there just isn't really the hardware to do it now. The software is there.
>x86 systems are still vastly cheaper though, so you'll have to find someone willing to make PPC boards that people will actually buy.
Cheaper, but not by as huge a margin as you think. There is also progress on the 3rd-party-hardware front since IBM mad a freely usable reference design. Don't have a link, but a company in Texas is working on non-Mac PPC boards.
>> Well given the was OSX is, it may be just as easy to run OSX on top, and have a vm or something
>> to run linux under it
>This is actually pretty easy to do on a PPC. See http://www.maconlinux.com/
Easy for a trained Linux user, yes. Easy for an *average* user, no. Hell, it took me quite a while, and I am not exectly the typical end user. OS X, on the other hand, will be much easier to configure for legacy Mac OS support.
-Smitty
Hehe...The preview button is a great thing.
Next time remember to select "HTML Formatted" and not "Plain Old Text"...
-Smitty
(sorry, just had to be said)
No speech recognition? You nuckin' futz?
Speech recognition premiered with the Quadra 660AV and 840AV, if I remember correctly, and will run on any Power Mac - Not just new stuff. Get the facts straight, before you start saying an old mac is good for nothing.
That not withstanding, I see your side. I have the honor of using a PM 6100/60 for some minor stuff at work, and let me tell you, I run for the nearest newer machine whenever I get find the need to use Netscape. Still, the 6100 is servicable. I can do anything on it, and I'm running MacOS 8.6 on it. (I may run 9 soon...just haven't upgraded.) It's functional but slow, runs all the latest apps. It is also 6 years old. Can you say that most any PC is still functional?
(On another tangent, 6100s make great little DNS boxes and small FTP servers, as long as you are willing to play with mkLinux. Small, built-in ethernet, and very reliable hardware. We have one on active duty as a secondary DNS at work, and would possible make it primary if we had the time to transfer the DNS records from the primary machine. This may get changed when we move to BIND 8.)
-Smitty
I have the "Ask Slashdot" stuff in one of my slashboxes, and there is ALWAYS stuff in there that wasn't on the main page, or at least not long enough for me to see it. I kind of wish that all Ask Slashdot stuff got equal treatment, because the issues raised are often very interesting, such as this.
I have contemplated getting a job overseas after I graduate, and so this would be a great discussion for me to read. If only more people could see it...
-Smitty
I use a BP6 with 366 MHz celerons at 550, and I get temperatures in the 39-45 deg. C range usually, and no problems. I have chatted with hard-core overclocker types who insist this is too hot, but these are the same people who also insist on using peltiers to cool their chips to sub-zero temps. ;^) As has been mentioned already, the official specs allow for much higher temperatures.
As an intesting OT note, various OSes appear to put differing amounts of load on a CPU. In windows, with the d.net client running, my temp is around 40-42. In BeOS, with nothing running, the CPUs hover around 45-47 degrees. My best guess is that the Be idle loop includes some sort of instructions that make the CPU work more than even the d.net client does in Windows. I have no numbers for Linux, but that may be interesting to check out...
-Smitty
Yeah, I noticed that too. I think it's centimeters, not millimeters.
-Smitty
Sevan always came after eight....what are you complaining about?
What I wonder is how many people noticed what came after the two. I mean, come on, three? What was Cebert thinking?
-Smitty
I am running a BP6 with celerons overclocked to 550, and am happy with it. Unfortunately, it has been more or less decided that the BP6 will not be ably to run Pentium !!!s. The hardwae is incompatible, so your only real solution is a Slot 1 motherboard. While they will (supposedly) have adapter cards to run the new socket P!!!, don's rely on compatibility.
I would recommend the BP6 for now, and get a board built for the socket P!!!s later. It will be inexpensive now, ant the money you saved now will get you better hardware later.
Right now intel's in a big transition, heck, even the Celerons will be updated to run (officially) on a 100 MHz bus sometime. You may just want to take a wait-and-see approach.
-Smitty
1) Student maturity - at what point are students mature enough to carry a computer around without wasting endless hours on desktop frills, games, and chat? Seventh grade seems too early to me.
;^)
Umm...I'm still not past that point
-Smitty
This is getting completely OT, but here goes.
IF win95 has protected memory, explain this to me:
How come Netcape can take down an entire machine? I have seen it happen repeatedly, first the cursor is corrupted, then a second later the machine refuses to respond. You can blame it on Navigator's bugginess, I have no issues with that statement. I just want to know why the hell the machine went down too.
-Smitty
I have the BP6 with a couple of celerons (366s!) overclocked to 550. Linux and NT work absolutely great, with the exception of the DMA/66 bus on board. The NT drivers can be a pain to install, and I really don't know about the status of Linux drivers. It's not an issue for me, since I only have DMA/33 drives, so the extra high-speed ports go unused. Which means, if you didn't imply it from the above, that the BP6 has 4 IDE connectors total. Great for a full-tower case.
BTW, I have used RedHat 6 and 6.1, and Mandrake 6.1 with success. The both recognize both processors fine, I get about 1100 BogoMips.
-Smitty
You can't use it on your Win machines? Huh? That must be caused by hardware constraints, then, because QuickTime is available for both Macs and Win32. Heck, work was the only place I got the new Star Wars trailer, and we run NT 4.
Official QuickTime Page
( http://www.apple.com/quicktime )
-Smitty
That's like the 1,000-Mile-High club or something...
Anyway, what about people renting NASA's "vomit comet" for experimentation? It's that plane they can take to the upper atmosphere and then gently nose down, providing the effect of zero-G for five minutes. Or was it fifteen? That'd be even better. I bet it's much cheaper than a shuttle ride, and suitable for a "quickie" if you did it right.
And it is available for public use, they rented it to film the space scenes in the movie Apollo 13. All I can say is, that would be heck of a good time on your honeymoon.
Which brings up the subject of pornos, as mentioned in an earlier thread. Some of the bigger studios might be able to afford it for their filmmaking projects...
-Smitty
Here's the official link for FreeBS: FreeBS - The Best BS!
-Smitty
Notice the aforementioned "survey results?" Look at the last four questions. They make me think the art was slanted towards semi-realistic pieces to begin with. I mean, how do you answer those if you prefer abstract art?
One more thing: the least favorite for Italy is golden. It has it all: Elvis, a Power Ranger, and male nekkidness. Not only that, but violence (or maybe the arrows are a form of self-expression for the man?) Now if only it was the Pink Ranger that was filled full of arrows...
-Smitty
Well then why not keep VHF around? I think it's important to keep some form of analog on the air for at least a while into the 21st century - digression: you know, the century that starts in 2001, not 2000 :^) - possibly even for an example you mentioned: public safety, or emergency use. People will have four analog TVs in their homes left over from this age and one HDTV. What about when the digital transmitter goes down? For other assorted emergencies, analog will still have usefulness.
:^)
I strongly support keeping both transmissions on-line, or at least giving stations the option to do so if they're willing to spend the money on the extra maintenance. We could stop granting new licenses, but don't force the analog to suddenly drop from the air altogether.
Besides, what about all those guys that just bought big-screen TVs in the last year or so: how will they watch sports in 2009? They just blew all their cash for the next ten years; they can't afford a digital/analog converter.
-Smitty
I can definitely agree with Mprx on this one. 25 fps just isn't enough for me. The vertical refresh isn't as important to me as the overall frame rate. when the image changes only 25 times a second, it's irritating to my eyes. I don't have much experience with PAL, but I know movie theaters bug the crap out of me. I can almost see independent frames. i realize that movies are even slower than PAL, but I still like to have as fast a frame rate as possible.
This brings up a question: Is PAL a sequential or interlaced format? I love NTSC's interlacing, it allows the image to seem closer to 60 fps than the actual 30 fps it provides.
-Smitty
Which one? You better NOT be referring to Billy Corgan of Smashing Pumpkins fame.... :^)
SP is one fo my all-time faves, but I listen to a wide variety. My recent hit list has consisted of:
Smashing Pumpkins
Radiohead (Great UK sounds.)
Chris Cornell (former lead of Soundgarden)
Tori Amos
Rasputina (Unique. Refreshing. The UnRock. Give it a listen, you may like it.)
Nine Inch Nails
David Bowie (mostly the recent stuff)
The Cars. (70s Synth Done Right(TM))
Depeche Mode
God Lives Underwater (Very nice electronic)
garbage (i get to go to a concert here on campus this Friday! Yay!!!)
Newsboys (the best Christian out there)
Weezer
Bob & Tom (great fun morning show. listen and be amazed.)
basically, I listen to anything but rap or country (although Garth B.'s recent pseudo-album is kinda nifty). Yes, i even have a soft spot for classical. and music from anime.
-Smitty
>Those look cool. I should get one for a friend
>who recently rolled over his laptop with his
>car!! Neither survived (note I didn't say drove
>over...)
Neither as in the car + PC, or as in the *friend* + PC?
Just a little morbid humor...
-Smitty
Here you go
Well...then...I've been imagining these German pages all along? Wow. I must be REALLY creative...
-Smitty
It seems to me like the next step would be joint replacement/reconstrution. It mentions in the article that the joints were very well-formed...
Now we can keep those sports stars going well into their 70's. Not that I care, but my brother would be overjoyed...
Also, this could be a major thing to recover from arthritis. "Wow! I feel like I have a new hip! Well, I guess I do. That would explain it."
-Smitty
Yeah, but I bet the mice they grew the fingers in were harmed. This operation was probbly fatal.
Unless you're one of THOSE vegetarians who thinks not all animals are created equal, this is just as bad as taking a trip to the local McDonalds for a burger.
-Smitty
some of you commented that be's server was down, but as of about 6:20 central (US Daylight) time, I could load entire pages without web-server-socket problems.
hopefully it will stay up for the remainder of my little browsing excursion.
Smitty
if anyone manages to crack the "logon" and "password" (nice theme), why not spread it around so's we can all get loot? Show them what "hackers" can do. They practically invite it.
-Smitty