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Vendetta: A Christmas Story
Mundane Barbie writes "This is the funniest and the coolest online independent movies that I've seen since the original South Park. It's definitely a geek classic, just in time for the holidays. It's got Santa, and it's got guns.
I've seen it posted at Newgrounds and also at their official site.
Happy holidays!
" Woh. This is /not/ for the easily offended - but if you thought the South Park movie was amusing, than you'll probably appreciate this.
Hemos does not use linux.
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"We must move forward, not backward, upward not forward, and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom."
Bitchslapped? Give Rob a bitchslap from bitchslapped.com.
MMmm, gummy bears
Yeah, I love his yahoo email address too. I bet he's really reputable.
OT --> AC
Thucydides: "Yes, consistency is the key. Consistently keeping the awesomest kid in the dorm from playing Quake in his room. That is the key . . . to sudden DEATH! HA AH AHA AHAHA . ASDLFKsd. Get that update dickson!
Amen, brother!
"Nobody owns the fucking words man." - James Dean
It was mad. I liked it. I couldn't stop laughing at the backgrounds (I lived in Boston for a while in 93-95). Memories!
Keep it running...
(Apologies for posting this way - no email to post direct to Localman).
I left my body to science, but I'm afraid they've turned it down...
Xanim, maybe? Check out the Xanim home page.
Actually, on occasion Slashdot is real sluggish. Not down, but painfully slow.
hey that's kind of wierd. everyone i know who reads slashdot runs windows. perhaps we live in parallel worlds.
-destroid "can't waste the day when the night brings a hearse"
None of the sites with the MOV file don't work =(.
:)
Any more available? Thanks.
Ant(Dude) @ Quality Foraged Links (AQFL.net) & The Ant Farm (antfarm.ma.cx / antfarm.home.dhs.org).
From the original poster:
There are more Slashdot readers who also use Macs or Windows than there are readers who only use Open Source OSes.
Note that the original poster said _only_ use open source. Your survey is titled "I spent the _majority_ of my OS-using time in". Just because someone spends the majority of his time in something that's not mac or windows doesn't mean that he doesn't have MacOS or Windows installed.
Movie previews are done in quicktime/sorensen because it is flat-out the absolute best, highest quality-high-compression video format available. If sorensen made their codec available for other formats (like avi) people wouldn't stick to quicktime as much. I believe apple and sorensen have a very exclusive deal at the moment, though.
Recursive: Adj. See Recursive.
I love to piss you guys off its fun/funny. You take everything I say soooo personally. I know slashdot is your holy cow or should I say your "GOD" and "RELIGION" but ease up a little, ok. So what if I spam a little or "advertise". This is a public forum as far as I can tell and I can say whatever the hell I want to. If the moderators have a problem with it they can moderate me down or do whatever it is with your "karma" or whatever. Or better yet they can ban my static IP address. Apparently, they seem to like my often flammatory but nonetheless interesting remarks.
Yours Truly,
Nathaniel P. Wilkerson
CEO - NPS Internet Solutions, LLC
www.npsis.net
p.s. Have you notice how my comments seem to generate the most conversation. Doesn't that just irk the h*** out of you.
This is a direct quote (entire post) from our friend, let's listen in...
/. link? \
Hey everybody visit this page and lets see if we can crash this site. Hit it. My friend doesn't believe in the "slashdot affect". haha
Ok, so this is your
Man, first you were hard up to either A) prove your friend wrong and you right that the slashdot effect exists or B) drum up hits for a crappy little company.
Now, since your little scheme didn't work, you are dedicating you time on slashdot to belittle everyone and claim this site sucks since it didn't generate hits to a dumb site posted in a comment???!!!
Sounds like everything is working the way it should. Except you.
Finkployd
Hey Fink!
I'm pretty sure that Lon Horiuchi shot Mrs. Weaver through a closed door at Ruby Ridge.
Have a good one!
Open Source does not mean zero cost. They could write an open license which would allow not-for-profit companies/individuals to use their code in zero cost products, but which would require monetary compensation (licensing) from for-profit companies which use their source.
Hey, "pal," why don't you back up on the "gravy train?" See these comments:
One
Two
Three
Four
And, especially this one:
Five
They all side with me. And I didn't write them.
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What moron fucking moderator said that this was redundant? Stupid fucking moron! It's part of the fucking discussion! I didn't get to read it until I lowered my threshold!
Ban all those fag moderators!
Deeper and deeper it goes into the bottomless pit where no man has yet ventured. This is actually quite interesting. I wonder if slashdot has some limit as to actually how deep a string can get. If you have an answer email me at bard@hotmail.com I would be interested to know. This NatePWIII is quite a character and he sure has alot of balls if you ask me.
As I posted originally, it's hard to ignore shit when there's 5-10 shit posts every day!
-Super Frosty
MAKE YOUR OWN DAMN SITE. /. through reforms. If your car ran out of gas, would you give up and build a new one?
Do you abandon everything that doesn't work properly? I'm trying to fix
you trolls
I'm not a troll.
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Can you ever shut up about all your anti-advertising, anti-spamming bullshit. What a frickin whino. Shutup man. If the guy wants to post up his alladvantage.com number or whatever he has everyright to. Who made you God. Hemo sure didn't. You're nobody man, absolutely nobody. So shut the hell up I'm sick of you whining about this NATEPWIII guy or who ever. He's pratically a frickin martyr here at slashdot now. Everybody likes him even if he throws a lot of crap out at us. He makes this otherwise boring existence somewhat interesting. So I say praise NATEPWIII and silence the close minded few like yourselves. You anal retentive bunch.
Your fallacious assumption: that I was posting as a logged-in user two posts ago.
I am a different poster.
My only objection is to his spamvertising. Which kind of subverts the 'amen' theory -- they were in response to his posts WRT Slashdot.
Please check your facts next time.
Thank you.
Ok, the AC posts you have no way to verify that you didn't write. (I missed them, I read at 1 or above, checking these posts just confirms why)
I was (and so was the other guy you were hissing at) referring to the Alladvantage part of your posts. I don't see anyone supporting you there and I thought you were claiming all these posts saying Amen for that.
As for your first post, I already dealt with that.
You really expect me to be impressed that a bunch of AC's supported someone bitching about slashdot?
Finkployd
Piss off
Oooohh.... I have angered finkployd! I hope he doesn't give me a stupid nickname! He's good at thinking of those!
The original comment was about bad moderating.
-Super Frosty
I'm sorry, but /. has been reading like the obituary pages for the past few days. Hemos was raving about this movie, so I downloaded it, and it BLEW! It was childish, anti-gun propaganda!
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Is somebody trying to prime the pump for Yet Another Internet Indy Phenom?
I suppose annoying the hell out of people by spamming in the $13 domain registration thread (and every other thread you've posted in as far back as your user info goes) wasn't enough for you? You're back for more?
/. effect is a myth, plain and simple." /. effect being a myth, it only works for sites that Slashdotters might actually want to look at.
"You are all so full of hogwash and high on yourselves"
Wait. Can one be "full of hogwash"? I've heard "full of shit" and "a lot of hogwash," but never "full of hogwash." But coming from you, this is, somehow, extremely ironic. We may be high on ourselves, but you not seeming to realize that Slashdot could not care less about NPS Internet Solutions after the abundant feedback that you've been given would seem to indicate that you're on crack. Or extremely stupid, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.
"This slashdot thing is a bunch of crock."
That's "a crock" to you, mister. And "Slashdot" should be capitalized. It's a matter of respect, but you evidently have none.
"I had my site up on slashdot and it got maybe 300 hits not enough to make my isp even notice."
To paraphrase a wonderful comment title I saw a while back: Earth to crackhead! (Was "stupid person," but, as I said, you're getting the benefit of the doubt.) If "up on Slashdot" means, "I spammed Slashdot with a whole bunch of trolls or just blatant spam comments featuring links to my site," sure your site was up on Slashdot. However, if it means, "I had a link from the front page," or even, "someone with some credibility linked to me," then, no, you're either lying, stupid, or on crack.
But the fact that you're getting so few hits from here, no matter what the circumstances, should be a SIGN. A big, bright, flashing neon sign two hundred feet tall: NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOUR SITE. In fact, you've probably encouraged any Slashdotter who might possibly want to visit your site not to do so.
"You all think this site is soooo popular and that your getting soooo many visitors, well your not and the
If it's not soooo popular or not getting soooo many visitors, then why do you bother spamming it? Wait. I know! You're on crack! In fact, you may actually be stupid AND on crack!
And as for the
"npsis.net"
Fallacy: assuming anyone will actually want to visit your site.
Now, I admit, there's a small chance that you could be the greatest troll of all time, but since your site actually exists, this would be one hell of a lot of effort for a troll. Plus, trolls are better when they're funny. You, however, are just the first little bits of the last thing Slashdot wants in its comments: canned luncheon meat.
Thank you and please go away now.
I don't know if I've ever seen anyone so desperate for site traffic. Give up this pathetic reverse psychology guerilla advertising campaign, and buy a slot on adfu.
You're not fooling anyone.
P.S.: How much did you pay for the slashdot service? How much did you pay to download the movie? How much have you payed to Apple to develop software lately?
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"Insert witty quote here."
>, if it doesn't interest you, don't read it.
Sure, but recently, they've been posting pages and pages of shit! When anybody complains, they're moderated down. The trolls are fighting back by making it impossible to moderate effecively.
Go trolls! I need 0.5 MB of "Natalie Portman," stat!
Amen, brother! Preach it, preach it!
I hear you! someday it'll change, brother! amen! lordy, lordy!
Why was this moderated up? It's just one of Cmdr Taco's bootlickers, trying to stifle earnest discussion about what's being posted on /. thest days!
Obviously his opinion of it differed. So what? In the future don't download the next movie he reccomends.
You don't pay Hemos, and you don't pay for slashdot. That makes it a good deal, even if it were complete crap.
It's hard to take an advertisment seriously. That alladvantage stuff doesn't increase credibility, you know.
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"Insert witty quote here."
I love violent video games, violent movies and i can't say that violence protrayed in such ways has ever bothered me. But still, when I pick up the paper and read story after story of kids shooting eachother, bombings, etc... And then I look at a flick like this on this internet (which really wasn't that funny, just violent) - I start to feel like maybe all of this crap is influencing people to some extent. I mean, look: A group of people made this, thinking it was funny - right? What exactly is funny about it? people get shot. again and again. What's the point? I believe that people should have the right to own and use guns (following a nice long waiting period and background checking)- it just bothers me how killing people is glorified so much...And, yes - I agree that things like this movie really do scare the liberal population into thinking that all gun-advocates are insaine killers.
Dude - Look: This movie shows people shooting eachother with guns, rifles, etc. It's not even humorous, it just shows killing after killing. Yes - kids are also influenced by football...It influences them to play football! We do not believe that kids are influenced by EVERYTHING violent. It just seems like a very obvious inference that when you read the newspaper and then you see flicks like this one: SOME kids are CLEARLY influenced some extent to stuff like this. There isn't really any argumentment about this. The media influences people to do lots of things. Reading books and watching science-movies got me interested in computers. In the same way, other people can be influencd by other types of media. SOME people may even be influenced...could it be???? VIOLENTLY.
You can't use it on your Win machines? Huh? That must be caused by hardware constraints, then, because QuickTime is available for both Macs and Win32. Heck, work was the only place I got the new Star Wars trailer, and we run NT 4.
Official QuickTime Page
( http://www.apple.com/quicktime )
-Smitty
± 29 dB
Oooohh.... I have angered finkployd! I hope he doesn't give me a stupid nickname! He's good at thinking of those!
Super Frosty, you have no room to talk.
The original comment was about bad moderating.
Yes it was, preceptive of you. However I was not replying to the origional comment, I was replying to a reply of the comment further down in the thread.
Finkployd
Who is NatePWIII? Just thought I ask. Am I missing something here.
I disagree. I learned a lot from this thread. Some very good arguments have been presented. To many of you who have been here at slashdot or involved in free software for a long time these arguments may seem old and boring. But to a newcomer like me these arguments really made me think about the benefits of open source software and standards vs. the company's motivations.
On one hand I can understand a competitive company's tendency to guard their secret codec, in this case Sorenson. They spent money, time, and resources developing it, of course they aren't going to give it away to the community.
On the open source side of the debate, I am only beginning to understand the arguments. But I think one key point others may have missed is that we are users. We are customers. It is not for us to understand and sympathize with the companies. It's perfectly legitimate for people to set an idealistic standard which benefits the community as a whole. It's perfectly legitimate to bitch and moan and write letters when companies don't perform up to this standard. If enough people make noise then maybe someday they can influence and shape the development of all these new found technologies. Oops, too late, it's already happening.
Do you abandon everything that doesn't work properly? I'm trying to fix /. through reforms. If your car ran out of gas, would you give up and build a new one?
/. is broken or not. Some are happy with it the way it is, some think it sucks. I fall in the middle.
Well, there are varing opinions on whether
What do you propose to do to please everyone?
If Rob let you run it, and you made it so you liked it, but 200 people thought it sucked and said so every story, would that be a fix?
Finkployd
> or write your own codec, or converter, or something, anything
Is that possible? Is the specification open? Is the algorithm patent-free? There's no excuse for closed formats and protocols, there's certainly no reason to support Apple (or Sorenson) just to be able to use its proprietary format. You do that, you're not paying them for their work, you're paying them for compatibility that they went out of their way to take away from you in the first place. They're essentially removing your rights and then selling them back to you. Some places, they call that extortion.
Of course if you're going to bitch, it makes no sense to do it at apple, or Sorenson. These are companies that make all their money from doing exactly what they're doing with this codec. The problem is that people *use* these proprietary formats to share information. Though I'm sure no exclusion was intended. A note explaining your position to the author and asking for an alternative, open format in addition or instead would not be unwarranted.
I've reviewed the comments and they sound like this: "how do you play this on linux?" "where's the linux version?" "not everyone has linux." "everybody has linux." "why post this link if we can't even play it on linux." very humorous to a linux-less newbie.
Movies like this make you realize the only reason Sorenson vision became standard is because the first Sorenson movie was a copy of a first rate Star Wars master. If Vendetta was used instead, Sorenson vision would never have gotten off the ground. By the way, if anyone's got a server:
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 280613895 Dec 19 01:48 vendetta_flattened.mov
As I posted originally, it's hard to ignore shit when there's 5-10 shit posts every day!
Is there anything you DO like about this site? If not.....why exactally are you here?
Finkployd
I don't know of any Quicktime player for Linux. Does anyone out there know of one and have a link?
>I am a different poster.
/. for free if you signed up at alladvantage!
So you say, anyway.
> his spamvertising
What I put in my signature is equivalent to the GPS coordinates for secret treasure! You could surf
This movie was made before South Park, you moron. What have you done recently?
I post as an AC all the time so that I won't get moderated down. I am right now. These could be actual users who don't want to get moderated down by your friends with moderator points in this discussion.
I post as an AC all the time so that I won't get moderated down. I am right now. These could be actual users who don't want to get moderated down by your friends with moderator points in this discussion.
Ok, (1) rarely do moderators venture this far into a discussion and (2) why do you care? Is karma that importent to you?
Since the main site is probably about to explode, I thought I'd point out some mirrors of at least the pages, if not the movies.
Main site
news.html
videos.html
about.html
"If one is really a superior person, the fact is likely to leak out without too much assistance" -- John Andrew Holmes
I surf /. for free anyway, and I only have to look at /.'s ads to do it. what's your point?
Gee. Its not as if any of us /. folk use non-Sorenson-compliant movie players, is it? THANKS HEMOS
MRJ ain't a Microsoft product. Sorry, try again.
They bundle IE because MS threatned to kill MacOffice if they didn't, a move that would've killed Apple. So Jobs is more pragmatism than principle, if he wasn't Apple would be gone by now.
I for one don't care, I use iCab and Communicator, and will probably move to Mozilla soon.
I have no trouble downloading the.mov files because they are just binaries, but is there a program for linux that can play .mov files?
Well I guess VMware would work. Just reboot to Win98. I'm a diehard Unix fan too but I accept that there are going to be Windows-only things and it is just the way it is going to be! That I say as I type this here on my Sun SS20 running Solaris and on another computer playing Half-life on my PC running Win98... then I've got my Alphastation running Linux and my other x86 box running Linux doing other stuff. Get with it man.. a true geek isn't limited to one platform! Linux is good for some things, Windows is good for others. Hell, if I could afford one I'd have a Mac G4 in here too. :-)
This is why proprietary codecs are bad - Apple has tried to corner the market on video and as a result the authors (probably blissfully unaware of this) cannot have the widest possible viewing audience. So, in a nutshell: due to market demand the codec will eventually be reverse-engineered and made available for linux, but in the meantime a good number of people are being denied access to media encoded on it simply because Apple wants to try to get a strangle-hold on the video market. Apple will fail because as the market grows, so too will the demand for an alternative to Apple's monopoly. Basic econ, my good man. But in the meantime, we are still stuck with not being able to view it... and I don't know about you.. but I'm an impatient guy!
>Obviously his opinion of it differed
/., and my check is coming soon!
I don't hear anybody else raving about this movie. People are saying that: It sucked, It won't work, or just bickering like we are.
>you don't pay for slashdot.
Sure, I do! I look at the ads. I click on the interesting ones. I post and (often) add valuable content. I'm doing my part.
>That alladvantage stuff doesn't increase >credibility, you know.
Why not? It's a great way to pay for your internet connection! You should try it! Go to alladvantage.com, and tell them that member # EQA-881 referred you! I've already gotten several referrals from
As you would say, you don't HAVE to read my signature. You're just looking at it and complaining! Besides, it's my comment, and you aren't paying for it. Anyway, you can always choose to strip sigs in your preferences, like I do.
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That either he's a complete idiot or on crack and an utterly shameless liar to boot, or the readership of ZDnet, CNet, NYTimes, and CNN have a complete inability to detect spam when they see it. Or both.
And yes, Nate, we "no" what "your" up to: spam!
Thank you and go away now.
Fair enough, but I'm still surprised Hemos forgot to mention you can't view it under linux, given the known Slashdot demographic...
Of course it is possible for sites to go down due to too many accesses. But calling it the Slashdot effect is just plain stupid. If link in a "story" on Slashdot generates that much traffic - how come Slashdot itself manages to stay online? (Well, come to think of it /. is down all the fucking time.)
W S B PeekmonWSB
There was no response. The serve could be down or it's not responding....
The site belongs to andover.net. Hemos and CmdrTaco are nothing but employees anymore. They can be fired and replaced as easily as anyone else could be. We should complain to andover about their lack of professionalism, spelling, and grammar! (And lack of a spellcheck feature on the comment submittal).
This was pathetic. 'nuff said. Be glad xanim doesn't support the new Quicktime.
Hey all.
I'm (one of) the idiot(s) responsible for Vendetta.
I'm currently visiting family, and my server is on the other side of the country. It is dead. There is another copy of the entire film at my machine at work - we'll see how long that one survives.
I am truly sorry about the sorenson thing - I had no idea anyone would watch it at all, let alone the entire slashdot community.
If anyone can convert it to another format, they are welcome to do so.
Peace, Happy holidays, and thanks.
If anything deserves to be moderated up in this godforsaken thread, it's this post--I've been looking for a functional mirror on and off all day. Not that I expect this movie'll be all that good, but I keep getting timed out from the mirror at Newgrounds and at this point I just want to see what I've been wasting all this time on. But, since I don't have any moderator points, I guess the least I can do is give it my +1 bonus.
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Alternate vendetta link - same codec (Score:1)
by localman on 01:03 AM December 19th, 1999 CST (#231)
(User Info) http://www.binadopta.com/
Hey all.
I'm (one of) the idiot(s) responsible for Vendetta.
I'm currently visiting family, and my server is on the other side of the country. It is dead. There is another copy of the entire film at my machine at work - we'll see how long that one survives.
I am truly sorry about the sorenson thing - I had no idea anyone would watch it at all, let alone the entire slashdot community.
If anyone can convert it to another format, they are welcome to do so.
Peace, Happy holidays, and thanks.
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if it takes that long, why don't you just install windows and quicktime?
Yeah, that's like what Marx talked about, right?
You are really full of it. Sorenson wants to make money, and so does Apple. They have both invested R&D dollars into the codec, and they don't have to make it available for Linux if they don't want to.
It's not a monopoly, there are plenty of other codecs out there, Sorenson is just one of(if not the) best. If you don't like that, write your own.
Apple has supported mklinux in the past, they are not anti-Linux. But if they don't think it makes business sense to spend a lot of money porting the Quicktime player to Linux, then the burden rests on Linux users.
You might also want to take into consideration the antagonism between Apple and Linux. Where does it come from? Linux users. A lot of Linux users are very anti-Apple for one reason or another, and criticize everything Apple does (including when they open-source their software!)
I also think you should expand a little on that part about it being a "critical failing of their long-term business plan to keep it closed source." That is a hell of a thing to say without backing it up.
BTW, check out www.s-vision.com
Even so, I sent my (politely worded) wishes to both Sorenson and Apple. We'll see what I get back from them.
Now, this isn't necessarily the best piece of video to watch, but my wife has dug up some QT4 videos that she would like to view. God help me, I almost bought an iMac today because I'm so sick of this.
Anyway, direct your politely worded e-mails to support@s-vision.com and wish@hype.quicktime.apple.com. My message:
Please consider allowing the xanim free video playing software by Mark
Podlipec to support the Sorenson video codec. There are an increasing
number of videos, trailers, and other media that I would like to be able
to play, but there is no way to do that on Linux at present.
Please, if this is a licensing issue, contact Sorenson video and work something
out.
Thank you very much,
Chris Jones
cjones@one.net
Perhaps you were getting such good performance because the link was only posted 10 minutes before you tried? I tried to go to it like an hour and a half after it was posted and all I get is "server down server down." You were probably there before the rush came and the real /. effect kicked in.
Oh, so because I'm in the minority means that I'm wrong? Tyranny of the majority?
And yeah, "all" the four letter words. Let's see.....I count 2 of them. I'm sorry if it offends you so deeply, but since you have no problem with ad hominem attacks on me, I don't see what your real problem is.
The point is that Apple and Sorenson are two free companies, and if, by choice, they entered into such an agreement, I guess that's just too bad for you. Apple does not have monopoly power over the multimedia scene now, and certainly didn't back when they first licensed the codec.
And do you really think that Sorenson would open up the codec for the good of Linux users when they make tons of money selling the encoder? Yeah, that would be a real smart business move.
BTW, I have no idea how you can call my statement a lie. Are you claiming that Apple owns Sorenson?
There are more Slashdot readers who also use Macs or Windows than there are readers who only use Open Source OSes. In other words, you're in the minority, so give up trying to censor the news or discriminating against the majority who are able to view the movie.
Not that it's any good -- I haven't seen it yet -- but we could do without your ranting.
Cheers,
ZicoKnows@hotmail.com
moderate that post up NOW!
Could someone post a mirror of this thing, those sites have crashed and burned. I know some of you got it, for the love of God post a mirror. Maybe I'll even be nice and convert it into MPEG or something so you Lee-nooks guys can watch it.
http://lecb68.linkexchange.com:8002/vendetta.mov
All credit goes to localman, I'm just not sure anyone will see his post down there, but please moderate it up.
Check out comment #233. It seems like you are allowed to do it.
I can throw myself at the ground, and miss.
those sites are dead and i'd like to see the film
that's all i got to say about that.
Sure! I love all the posts about computers and computer news. I have the obits and stupid links like this one.
No offense, but the company that promotes itself as an alternate, amusingly only produces software for itself,a nd tht other OS. There might be some hypocricy in there somewhere, I dont know.
And one other point: Hemos didn't install linux, download the movie, try and get it working, and discover it won't run on linux. GASP!
The fact that he didn't do this (not that he couldn't have asked someone who had linux installed before, or used a friends linux box to test it) just demonstrates how /. is moving away from its grassroot users to mroe mainstream users (e.g. selling out). If you are going to post stuff your grass root users can't view, at least spend 5 minutes finding some way to convert it into a form they can view (e.g. MAKE a mpeg copy for us!).
P.S.: How much did you pay for the slashdot service?
This is an idiotic quote. /. got big because its core user group spread the word on how cool it was. Now /. is starting to ignore the users that got it started (commercializing). Just like some other companies we all know and love. IT really wouldn't be that hrad for Hemos to convert it before posting so all of us can watch it...
There are people out there with Windows and Mac boxes you know. They are no less "geeky" than Linux users and may be interested in seeing it. I've got Linux boxes and Windows boxes. Get another machine to run Windows or dual boot rather than bitch about it!
I've got it all figured out: you want to be NatePWIV! (Since III is taken....)
... my check is coming soon!"
"Go to alladvantage.com, and tell them that member # XXX-XXX referred you!
Shut UP shut UP shut UP. Slashdot is NOT the place for your stupid pyramid marketing schemes. And that was a really stupid and shameless way to beg for money. "My check is coming soon!" Shut UP shut UP shut UP.
Ever heard of MAKE.MONEY.FAST? Nobody liked it then. Nobody likes it now.
I don't care if it's in your sig. They're on as default, and anyone not logged in sees it. Plus, you just put the info in the body of your comment, so everyone who read it did have to see it.
Please don't try and springboard off Slashdot's success and annoy everyone else in the process just to make some pocket change. You really should know better.
Yea, karma is a real distinction of those who pander and those who don't. Personally I would trust someone with a negative karam (could possibly think for themself) rather than someone with + karam (definitely has no independant though capabiity left).
I find it sad how disingenuous and clue-free Apple continues to be. They lobby heavily to get QuickTime accepted as an Internet standard, then refuse to allow non-Mac/Win folks access. This is consistent with their recent history. Bundled browser: Microsoft. Bundled Java: Microsoft.
One would almost think Microsoft had given them a large quantity of money... Naww! ;-)
We would have if the troll had been any good.
Try harder next time.
First, a stop sign at an intersection that also has lights? Please. The poor aim when running after him (not 3 whole metres, and they still can't hit him with a damned pistol). Not to mention the general weirdness.
:-)
Plot? What plot? It just seemed to be a bunch of running/shooting.
At least the whole Santa from trunk to garbage bin foul up + tossing stuff into cups was a nice tip of the hat to Short Circuit
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However I'm thinking that maybe RedHat and VA Linux should team up to acquire Apple, taking one of the last great flag bearers of closed "standards" on the net out of the picture. I'm sure that between them the companies could scrounge up enough cash to purchase Apple. And it wouldn't be a bad move really -- We would all be using the Apple platform today had Apple decided to open up their standards and allow cloning. Even after the brutal beating they've taken over the past decade, they still don't get it. Take 'em over, kick the current management out on its ear, open up all the standards, welcome the cloners back with open arms, and sell support, and you'd be looking at a huge profit potential there. How much could Apple be worth these days? I wouldn't think it'd be a whole lot...
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
>Super Frosty, you have no room to talk.
Ouch! That burns! Why don't we each think of a new nickname, then? At least mine is part of an inside joke!
cracksmoker
if your car was out of gas would you reform it buy shouting " you stupid car! why do you run out of gas?!? why?! why?! why?!" hmmmm think about it....
There are some moderators out there who will down-moderate any message sympathetic to the right to keep and bear arms. I've noticed it many times, and each time I do, I post one of these "Moderators on Crack" messages.
Let's just let this thread die -- PLEASE. You're in serious danger of being subjected to the death penalty provisioned in your signature :) .
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This clip is way too reminiscent of a certain Beastie Boys video. And I must disagree with the statement that this is better than the original South Park. Not a chance. While Vendetta was mildly entertaining, it looks like the creators spent way too much time effort on a joke that wasn't terribly funny to start with. I must state, however, that Vendetta was better than the Blair Witch Project, so by extrapolation this little clip should get its creators well on the road to fame and fortune. Kinda sucks, don't it?
Windows is going the way of phlogiston...
Any parent that lets their kids use the computer without monitoring them is a moron. My cousin seems to have no problem monitoring what his two sons do when they are at home, just requires a little discipline (something missing from most parents today). If some kids saw this, then the parents are to blame. Bad parenting is the reason a few kids have killed each other as of late. That, and this video was really lame. Nothing explained, just shooting a bunch of people again and again. Looks more like these guys had the opportunity to use some video equipment and decided to make a really dumb movie that they thought would be pretty cool. It is neither funny nor cool and I doubt it will be a geek classic. And it pales in comparison to the original South Park (which at least had a partial story to it). And the end scene looks like it was either inspired by or stolen from South Park.
He /is/ using windows - to decode it and convert it to JPEG stills, which can then be re-endcoded to MPEG or other QT codecs to allow the non-windoze/macintrash afflicted to view it...
http://owl.vet.purdue.edu/papa/vendetta .mov
You complete and total retard. Yeah it's movies that are making kids violent. The guns make them do it. They're victims of Doom and other violent things like football. You and the other Liberals out there need to catch a clue. The reason kids are killing each other is because of parents like you. Liberals such as yourself are poisoning the minds of kids with the idea that they are Victims of everything under the sun.
Sorensen opens its codecs: Apple, Microsoft, Adobe, Macromedia, Open Source coders, etc., create new products utilizing the codecs. Cost incurred creating and maintaining the codecs by Sorenson: substantial. Money made by Sorensen: $0.00. (That's a successful business model??)
Sorensen keeps its codecs closed: Apple pays Sorensen licensing fees to use the codecs in their product. Cost incurred creating and maintaining the codecs by Sorensen: substantial. Money made by Sorensen: millions of dollars.
Signal_11 claims that Sorensen is doomed because someone will eventually get mad and reverse engineer the codecs. Let's leave aside the fact that this has been said for some time now, and still has never been done. Even if it happens, Sorensen will still have made millions of dollars that they would never have seen if they just gave away the code right off the bat. That's a lot of money that can be spent improving the product, or developing other ones.
Signal_11 presents it as some proven fact that this is a doomed business plan, but the real fact is that the Open Source business model still has never been proven as a substantial money-maker.
Cheers,
ZicoKnows@hotmail.com
This, my friend is incorrect. I posted the trollish material in order to spew some gripes I have with the slashdot community and apparently, there are others who agree with me. The use of vulgarity I should apologize for, but what would it matter seeing as I am posting Anonymous anyway? The people I am directly speaking to are the ones who enjoy such entertainment as South Park, so it is not like they are not used to such way of adressing things. My posts usually have some point, but since they are not directly attacking anyone they usually do not get moderated up (or perhaps it is because moderators help out friends or give a comment a good rating because it spews forth a plethora of technical facts.) Lack of culture and good taste is really rampant, and you would think in a social group such as this, the so called educated "geeks" it would be different, but apprently not so.
Tut Tut, feed the troll some more shall we?
This whole idea of trolls itself is in a way childish name calling. I wear this troll badge with honor, go ahead and ablazen me some more.
By my watch it took about 20 minutes for crazyeddy.com to be overun by the /. effect.
/. needs is a better way of doing this. Especially if your linking a 37 MB video. Granted CmdrTaco, Hemos, et. al. don't exactly have all the time in the world, but I think that for movie files like this, /. should at least set up a mirror for the file. It would save us, and the webmasters of the other site a great deal of pain. We could watch and laugh our heads off, the webmasters wouldn't crap in their pants when they find out they were /.'ed.
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The sun beams down on a brand new day, No more welfare tax to pay, Unsightly slums gone up in flashing light...
With your spelling here and your implication that NPW is someone to trust, I'd give a 50/50 chance that you're NPW.
I'd say that karma is no indication of whether or not you're someone to trust. It just says what the moderators think of you. It says that and only that, and anyone who says otherwise is just wrong. It's like SAT scores: all that they really measure is how well you can take the SAT. Interpret karma like that, and you shouldn't have any problems.
And I wouldn't trust NPW any farther than I could throw him. He's done some truly shameless pandering for hits. Far more shameless than any karma whore I've ever seen.
I normally /. at 2 or better..
/. will be oversaturated by completely worthless posts.
i just looked at the useless shit posted at 1 to -1... and i do wonder when
guns kill people like spoons make Rosie O'Donnell fat.
it's tough to operate even a modern browser
with one's head firmly lodged up one's a$$.
But let me ask you this: If it saves even :)
one elf's life to raid citizens' homes, cause
their wives to have miscarraiges, stomp their
kittens to death, burn their children alive,
piss on the Constitution, suspend the writ of
habeas corpus, empower the FEMA, invade our
privacy, beat us, humiliate us, and shoot our
wives through a closed door while they hold our
children, isn't it worth it?
Carefree highway, let me slip away on you.
But he didn't accuse Signal 11 of karma whoring. What the fuck is your problem? Are you, like so many others posting here, a crackhead?
Signal11 had something to say. And he was not karma whoring, no matter how much you'd like to think so.
You, really, didn't have anything to say. Please substantiate your points next time and lay off the childish attacks. Thank you.
Because I'm either extremely stupid or on crack.
You decide whether to give me the benefit of the doubt.
hahaha yes Schumer is a colossal dillweed. He masturbates in the Senate urinals when he thinks nobody is looking, too...
mmm. either that, or we are actually reading your post, dont agree with it, and blow it off as a troll because of the manner in which it was presented. cussing, insults, and AC posting are NOT the signs of an intelligent comment. (the latter less so than the former, i understand some pepole have reasons for AC posting.)
Premiere won't use multiple processors in any real sense. You can have it use 100% of one processor and set the OS to use the other, but that's as good as it gets.
Some plug-ins and extended versions will make use of the "other" processor than the one the main app is using, which can help a lot depending on what plug-ins/filters you're using, but just re-encoding from one format to another won't get any boost.
Does anyone know if Media Cleaner Pro uses multiple processors? I don't think so, but if it did that would make it immensely useful for this sort of thing...
Recursive: Adj. See Recursive.
This isn't really a "bitch at Apple" issue. Apple doesn't own the Sorenson codec. They simply license it from Sorenson to include in their QuickTime player. Other companies can do the same. Sure, Apple could port quicktime to linux and make you all happy, but a far easier proposal would be that some company that makes an existing player could license the codec.
I thought the movie had some funny scenes, but overall wasn't all that great. The sound quality was horrible, but the video editing was really good. Sure there were a few screwups in scenery, but what can you expect from a movie with no budget (I hope!)?
;-)
Anyways... I've put the movie on one of my machines at work. Don't kill it, please!
Hey, I think the movie's lame, but I remember seeing it way the hell BEFORE South Park was put up on the web. I can't believe this thing is still up on the web and that it's getting this much feedback! Well, good for the people who made it, I guess...
I read slashdot at:
:)
threshold=1&commentsort=3&mode=thread
and I find it quite enjoyable that as a thread deepens, the points moderated to the sub-comments in the thread are lower, and the column width of the article on my 1024x768 10-pt size fonts is pretty much 10% of the screen. I can just scroll right past this entire thread without even worrying about missing a single message.
Cool. And I lurk, so I can watch all the responses to this and laugh, and do nothing.
So, the video won't play on linux, that doesn't mean this article is worthless. Not everyone uses linux, and not all 'news for nerds' is linux related. The article was NOT posted as flamebait or a joke...it was posted because Hemos thought the video was funny. Not everything revolves around linux. Your lives may, but most peoples' don't!
Normally I'd post a song here but...
No, but if there were other people in the car (read:forum), I'd talk to them about the problem. I would also hope that they wouldn't get angry just because I was wearing an All Advantage T-shirt.
If the car ran out of gas five times a day, I'd point that out, too. Just as I point out the worthless articles. I mean, who really cares what's going on in Brazil?
I hate the way Hemos posts articles, with all these stupid links!
well, interesting collection of free porn movies there. but NO Vendetta. FUCKING BASTARD! I DONT GIVE A SHIT ABOUT YOUR PATHETIC PORN MOVIES.
and i don't like being lied to.
n.
PLEASE someone around here's got to know of/have a mirror, eh?
We don't believe you all when you say it sucked. We have to see for ourselves ^_^
miyax
(spoiler!) hmm..the residential car chase looked like it would have garnered a few calls to 911, the train stunt a /response/ from 911, and the wreck at least 30 grand in lost property value. Either these filmmakers got permits or they likely went to jail. That, and the cost of the wrecked vehicles couldn't have been cheap. I'm very curious: did they get permits/permissions to do these things? If so, how much does something like this cost? If the filmmakers are (still) reading, care to clue us in on the logistics?
Well, for my entertainment dollar, there are far better ways to bring down a server... One of which would be to gripe to USWest with regards to a particular site (yours) that receives bandwidth from them. Now, I know we're all easy-going guys here, but ina more hostile forum, you might find people that would call USWest's handy customer service hotline for your state at (800)-549-5629 and report your spamming Slashdot. These same hard-to-get-along with people might also tend to email abuse@uswest.net or spam@uswest.net and provide the technicians with links to your spam here and here. But, you won't find people like that on Slashdot, right? But, really, if it's a server takedown you want, I'm sure some enterprising young cracker could do it. Or I could just ping-flood you from my OC-192 at work. Either way, you'd have something to do besides make a complete ass of yourself in a public forum. Another thing, I must say that your business acumen, spelling, and general manner speak awfully loudly for your company. Not well, but loudly. Personally, if I were going to stick that much of my foot and lower leg into my mouth, I'd at least do it anonymously.
Just the Quicktime file format, to be specific.
Dead on Me-Too, for that. Shut the fack up, bitcher's and "this story//. sucks" crap.
*blows off steam*
+&x
I saw this @ a friends house a year and a half ago. The most outragous movie I'd seen in a while. I haven't seen the site yet, but I hope he has included some of the history in it's creation.
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Ok, what sound codecs can xanim handle? I know it handles cinepak for video, but i need to know about compatible audio codecs or else it's gonna be pretty big. I'll see about doing an MPEG version too. Hold on...
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Too obvious. And not funny either.
Either that, or you really don't get the show.
But I'd say that the first possibility is far more likely.
This troll just blows. Obvious, not funny, and a springboard off another troll. In fact, all three of these probably have the same author who's desperate for attention (unfortunately, I'm feeding that, but I'm desperate for attention too).
Please post a funny troll next time. And make it quite a bit more subtle.
Apple Sez:
- We'd love to OSS it, but Sorenson won't let us. Sorry!
Sorenson Sez:- GO AWAY. We're not even discussing it
I still blame Apple for choosing the Sorenson codec to begin with.and anyone else who wonders why kids keep killing each other. Here's you're answer. Case closed, really.
photos.html
faq.html
guestbook.html
"If one is really a superior person, the fact is likely to leak out without too much assistance" -- John Andrew Holmes
I put the movie up on my server with a T3.
vendetta
Enjoy!
This has got to be the wierdest thing I've ever seen - a site that can pump out 5 continuous streams of 50k/s while being slashdotted and have an average latency of 100ms ! Whoah.
Of course.. it's unix.... Apache/1.3.0 to be exact. I want to know how that guy setup his box...
Have you guys thought of giving sites like this one, with a large downloaded file as the main focus, a one-day warning chance to let them distribute the file to a couple of mirror sites?
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good point. maybe i should read the fucking post before ignorantly replying. sorry.
Ha ha! Merry Christmas, fink.
Bah! Sorenson!
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$ xanim +f 1_opening.mov
XAnim Rev 2.80.0 by Mark Podlipec Copyright (C) 1991-1999. All Rights Reserved
Audio Codec: QDesign Music Codec (QDMC) not yet supported.
Video Codec: Sorenson Video not yet supported.(E18)
Notice: Video and Audio are present, but not yet supported.
Usage:
XAnim [options] anim [ [options] anim
-h lists some common options, but may be out of date.
See xanim.readme or the man page for detailed help.
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Before I spend a week downloading the 37 meg .mov file, has anybody been able to play it with xanim?
Thanks!
Maybe your site just isn't interesting enough for ppl to bother checking it out. Remember geeks think before they do.
Is it just that people can't tell the difference between political discourse and flaming? Is it just that criticism of any sort must be supressed? Surely we can't tolerate either. Someone, please have mercy upon this plebeian and undo this wretched moderation.
"If one is really a superior person, the fact is likely to leak out without too much assistance" -- John Andrew Holmes
Does anyone know how to get Premiere to use both CPU's? Converting Sorenson video to JPEG takes hours on a dual 550 but it's only using 1 CPU.
First of all, Apple doesn't even own Sorenson, so stop bashing them without reason.
This is a very misleading statement, if not a bald lie. The reason Sorenson won't open up the codec is because Apple won't let them, it's written into their agreement. Apple are indeed attempting to corner the market in Internet video, which is directly against what most Slashdot readers stand for: open standards. you might not agree but I'm 100% certain you are in the minority at least amongst Slashdot readers.
Anyway, what's with the bad attitude? I mean, all the four-letter words - can't you disagree without being rude and offensive? I think it's fairly obvious to everybody that it's you that needs to grow up.
Consciousness is not what it thinks it is
Thought exists only as an abstraction
No, I do. I just happen to have my girlfriend's computer availible.
Yeah, I'm that guy.
I wasn't the AC who posted the previous comment, but I agree with them.
/. mediators thinking?
What were the
Making this a headline feature and knowing it won't play under linux because of Sorenson is either really cruel and insensitive to the linux population (which I might point out is the only reason why Slashdot's (Andover's) IPO was hot). Or Hemos posted this article as the sole purpose of it being flamebait! Why? To enrage people into action and get something productive going on.
As a Linux user I'm still ticked at Slashdot for all that Phantom Menance trailer hype. I took me two hours to download that only to find out it was unplayable on Linux due to the Sorenson codec.
Stupid fucking prick. Needledick.
Whoever is posting all of these trolls is obviously the same person (everything except for the "this troll sucks!" posts and your post), and is pretending to be three different people. He's an aggressive one, though, replying to posts that see his trolls (or, at best, extremely unsubstantiated arguments with reliance on ad hominem attacks) for what they are to try and provoke a counterattack.
Plus, the trolls are bad ones. Good trolls are a joy. Bad ones just clutter up my screen.
First of all, Apple doesn't even own Sorenson, so stop bashing them without reason. Apple designed Quicktime so it can play Sorenson, they don't owe you shit.
If you want to write your own codec, or license the Sorenson one and write your own multimedia player, then do it. Until you do, stop bitching at Apple.
The Sorenson codec kicks ass, the quality of the video is very high and the size of the files are very small. If you can make one that is as good as that, then I'm sure people will use it. If you can't, and if no one donating their time to open-source can, then who gives a fuck what you think?
What you are doing would be like picking on Adobe just because Photoshop is better than Gimp and they have the balls to charge for it. Grow up.
What makes you think garbage men or construction workers are so stupid, anyway? Not having a college degree doesn't make you stupid any more than having one makes you smart. I'd like to see you operate one of those bigass trucks or a wrecking ball without killing someone.
paranoid.android
I never said they were stupid, and if my comment came of as suggestign that I appologize. Personally I would trust the judgement of a garbage man or a construction worker over the judgement of a /. user...
I have the resources to recompress it into an xanim-compatible version within the next couple hours, but I'm wondering if I'll get into a legal tangle over it? Should I, shouldn't I?
a) "vendetta" may be a great flick. b) we cannot find out. c) why was this posted??
300 hits? Hmm...did your site actually get linked as a main article such as this one? I submitted a story that got posted about a week ago and got about 12,000 hits in one day just from the link that said I submitted it. I can only imagine what the main link in that article got hit wise. If you have a good server set up, the slashdot effect shouldn't be a problem, but I wouldn't underestimate how many people actually go to these links.
-Posting as anonymous because this is OT.
Before it hurts someone
Just because some people are bored enough to follow your spam-style links (the one in this message's parent included) doesn't mean you're getting the full on thing. I can't believe you even got 300 hits from it. (hits='seperate GET requests' in your mind, correct?)
Anyway, for a study done on the Slashdot Effect, previously linked to by Slashdot though done by an independent source, check out
The Slashdot Effect - An Analysis of Three Internet Publications, by Stephen Adler.
In addition to this, read his addendum, demonstrating what happenned after the original paper was mentioned here. Also bear in mind the fact that this was some time ago and that this site's userbase is growing all the time.
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Okay, so Sorenson isn't supported by Linux yet...boo-hoo...and Sorenson is a CSS project, so it must be bad, right? Give it up...when you all bought into Linux, you took the bad as well as the good...open-source software and a community of support is great, but you also bought into not always having the latest toys from every company in the industry, simply because not every vendor is interested and/or can support twelve different OSes. Want Sorenson? Start a campaign to let apple know that there's a market for it on Linux...or write your own codec, or converter, or something, anything...but don't do the /. bitch-and-moan because not every technology his handed to you on a silver frickin' platter...this is the price you pay for your OS...Windows users pay in stability and price, Mac pays for their OS in the fact that they deal with one company for all their hardware...every OS has its drawbacks, Linux included. Don't like it? Then change it, but don't complain here.
In the meantime, go to your local library or university and use one of their Windows or Mac machines to view the video.
"Nobody owns the fucking words man." - James Dean
No, Super Frosty lost. He needs to shut up.
If you haven't seen it, I'll summarize it for you: lots of people shoot lots of other people. And some of them are dressed like elves.
It's tripe like this that reinforces gun-control freaks in Congress, though. You just know that they're sitting in front of their computers, alternating between wanking off and bemoaning "If only we could get rid of all the guns in this society, Mrs Claus would've had a chance!" Please, people, don't feed the polito-trolls. The exact same point could've been made with the exact same amount of artistic value if the characters had run around throwing pies at each other. Note: that doesn't say much for the artistic value of this movie.
"If one is really a superior person, the fact is likely to leak out without too much assistance" -- John Andrew Holmes
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If M. Sorenson doesn't want OSS users to use his files, he will get what he wants : no more use of his format.
They boycott us ? Okay, let's return the favor : boycott them !
the site is still hammered.. does know of a mirror site?
Do it! Please! Email the authors and be like "hello, there are many unix users out there who would love to view your video. However, they are unable to because of the codec used. I am willing to convert it to a unix-friendly codec for you, so that you can spread its x-mas joy to more people... how about it?" or something along those lines.
You could say that about any show... and anyway, they always care when Kenny dies... they always go "Oh my God, they killed Kenny! You bastards!"
Don't trust a bull's horn, a doberman's tooth, a runaway horse or me.
No. This would just encourage the proliferation of proprietary [non]standards. Better to be inconvenienced and keep software free, and hope that by doing so, we continue to avoid attracting users and developers who think like you.
Where's the mirrors, peeps? Even though it's not viewable on Linux, us non-linux users would love to see it.. C'mon!
It's long. It's drawn out. There's a touch of humor at the beginning, otherwise it's alot of cars chasing other cars, and skinny high school students running after each other with cap guns. Plot? Characterizations? (left to those morons in Hollywood, no doubt, as you'll find NONE of that here) Without plot, characterizations, or humor, there's not much point. A waste of bandwidth. If you want funny, do a search for "The menace strikes back" by "imitation milk productions". Now, that's actually FUNNY! Should be pretty easy to find, go to excite or somthing and search for those two phrases exactly. "I have a name, and that name is Ben"
I have two computers. One Linux, one Windows. They're networked with Samba.
When the kids want to play flash games at foxkids.com, which computer must they use?
How about Diablo? Don't forget quicktime, or Realplayer G2! (we can't even listen to "Geeks in Space", starring the GREEEAAAAT HEMOS because it's in G2, and RealAudio only has Real Player 5.0 for Linux - another reason to use Windows)
Do you think anybody cares about your !@#!@ boycott, when we Linuxites represent a paltry couple percent of the computer users?
Some people need to grab their rear cheeks, pull them apart, and /try/ to remove their heads from the arse. (or at least have a VERY unrealistic view of their own importance!)
"I have a name, and that name is Ben"
This is probably the link you want (rather than a link to another web page):
http://www.newgrounds.com/vendetta/ vendetta.zip
(I'm getting a whopping 3.7k/s from my box with switched 100mbit to an OC-3.. actually, now it's 2.8k/s.. only 5 hrs to go!)
I post up something on zdnet for exampe and I can expect anywhere between 5,000 to 10,000 hits but no one talks about a zdnet effect. I think we have a little conspiracy of sorts going on here. A bunch of techie geeks want to promote their site so they start touting this supposed effect and thereby driving more traffic and hopefully revenue to their site. I no how it works. Slashdot readership pales in comparison to other news sites like zdnet, c/net, and the big boys like Times and CNN. You don't convince me of anything and your little report on the effect is nothing but a sham.
Nathaniel P. Wilkerson
www.haidacarver.com
i remember seeing QT2MPG at some site, I don't know if it does QT3 or 4 (making it worthless for this movie), but I say we petition the makers of vendetta for a mpeg version of the movie. QT3/4 for Windows 95/98 is evil, and I refuse to download it. I'm sure it's not as evil for macintosh users, but that's besides the point. mpeg is a standard everyone should use. posted with mozilla build 1999121612
You guys don't get it... He's done this before. It's either someone else's site that he *wants* to see brought down, or he's getting money for the advertisements on that page. Don't encourage him.