I was under the impression that Flashcom was the CLEC here. According to your post, and from what I can understand, Flashcom is probably reselling Covad's services. Covad is the CLEC, not Flashcom.
As far as Pacbell's ATM net, they are probably referring to their own DSL service offering, which does not have anything to do with Covad, or Flashcom.
As far as I know (and I am assuming this based on Rhythm's network, which is similar to Covad's), Covad rents a cage in the CO that they install DSLAMS, switches, routers and whatnot into. Then they bring all their traffic from that location into a area office which connects to their backbone to go to where ever it needs to go. The only thing Pacbell does for them is hook copper to their equipment. Pacbell's DSL service uses Pacbell's DSLAMs, switches and routers to provide service and has nothing to do with Covad. (unless Covad sells to Pacbell, which I don't think is the case)
As far as the signal splitting into voice and data, that is unknown to me, I know how to do this, but we do not do that in our network. They probably use a pots splitter, which essentially a high pass/low pass filter, which divides up the voice freqs and the DSL freqs and send them to the 5ess or whatever and the DSLAM, respectively. Which DSLAM (Pacbell's or Covad's or Rhythms' or ours hopefully some day) depends on who sends you your bill, and or who send them their bill.
I think you are confusing who is giving you service.
Flashcom is a CLEC, which means they have equipment inside the central office that provides the dsl conn to you. It is their equipment you are using to get to the internet. It is their DS3/OC3/OC12 that you ride out the back end of their equipment to get to the internet.
The only thing that pacbell gives you is 2 wires from the CO to your house. They connect those wires to Flashcom's DSLAM inside the CO.
When I said Pacbell sucks, I was refering to their DSL service. Not their ability to provide copper to Flashcom. Pacbell does do DSL (unless they are still testing) service also, but maybe not in your area.
I work for an DSL provider in Wisconsin. I see these arguments all the time. I rarely try to argue anymore.
The reason for this is because when you see a cable vs DSL argument on the irc, in newsgroups, or even in person, the people arguing are almost always arguing about the cable modem service in THEIR AREA vs DSL service in THEIR AREA. It's never an argument about the technology, always about the providers. They always talk about bandwidth on adsl or sdsl being less, but this is probably a function of the provider throttling it down. Everyone talks about security on cable, but this is all relative as adsl or sdsl can be just as lax if not implemented properly. It's almost an apples and oranges argument.
This Salon article is no different. He is comparing PacBell dsl (which sucks) to MediaOne's cable service. This is not representative of the technologies involved and frankly makes me a little upset.
Hopefully someone (maybe me) can find a good link to post that compares technologies, not services.
Or maybe someone who really is involved with cable technology can write a article here on cable technology, and I or someone else would be happy to reply with a similar paper on DSL technologies.
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Amen.
There is much to be learned from breaking things. Being able to beat on a box mercilessly will teach you things that you could never ever learn on a machine you care about.
That being said, there is also a lot to say about giving people a path to the rightous way. Being able to get a taste of linux on a Windows box is not such a bad thing. This might just be the motivation some people need to do it right.
Maybe instead of Football and Basketball teams in Highschool maybe now we will have HTML and Perl teams. We can sing songs like "They call him mister Java..." instead of mister touchdown. The cheerleaders will call the other team "Wimps" (Windows Icons Mice and Pointers). The BMOC would be the guy who can set up virt user tables the fastest instead of the Quarterback.
This would also eliminiate all this school violence because the Football dorks wont be able to look on the internet on how to make bombs. And since they don't play Duke Nukem, they really wont even have the desire for such behavior.
I think everyone should quit worrying about whether it's a mp3/4 or whatever and realize what they are trying to do here. These guys have been talking about changes in the conventional methods of creating music and music distribution through new technology for years. Just listen to the message Harry Allen left on Chuck's machine on the Muse Sick -N- Hour Mess Age album. Now these guys are actually putting out music that, to the best of my knowledge, can't even be bought in a store and people are complaining about a file format. I think we should give PE mad props for going against the record company and showing everyone how things should be.
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My mistake.
I was under the impression that Flashcom was the CLEC here. According to your post, and from what I can understand, Flashcom is probably reselling Covad's services. Covad is the CLEC, not Flashcom.
As far as Pacbell's ATM net, they are probably referring to their own DSL service offering, which does not have anything to do with Covad, or Flashcom.
As far as I know (and I am assuming this based on Rhythm's network, which is similar to Covad's), Covad rents a cage in the CO that they install DSLAMS, switches, routers and whatnot into. Then they bring all their traffic from that location into a area office which connects to their backbone to go to where ever it needs to go. The only thing Pacbell does for them is hook copper to their equipment. Pacbell's DSL service uses Pacbell's DSLAMs, switches and routers to provide service and has nothing to do with Covad. (unless Covad sells to Pacbell, which I don't think is the case)
As far as the signal splitting into voice and data, that is unknown to me, I know how to do this, but we do not do that in our network. They probably use a pots splitter, which essentially a high pass/low pass filter, which divides up the voice freqs and the DSL freqs and send them to the 5ess or whatever and the DSLAM, respectively. Which DSLAM (Pacbell's or Covad's or Rhythms' or ours hopefully some day) depends on who sends you your bill, and or who send them their bill.
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I think you are confusing who is giving you service.
Flashcom is a CLEC, which means they have equipment inside the central office that provides the dsl conn to you. It is their equipment you are using to get to the internet. It is their DS3/OC3/OC12 that you ride out the back end of their equipment to get to the internet.
The only thing that pacbell gives you is 2 wires from the CO to your house. They connect those wires to Flashcom's DSLAM inside the CO.
When I said Pacbell sucks, I was refering to their DSL service. Not their ability to provide copper to Flashcom. Pacbell does do DSL (unless they are still testing) service also, but maybe not in your area.
-=rubberband=-
I work for an DSL provider in Wisconsin. I see these arguments all the time. I rarely try to argue anymore.
The reason for this is because when you see a cable vs DSL argument on the irc, in newsgroups, or even in person, the people arguing are almost always arguing about the cable modem service in THEIR AREA vs DSL service in THEIR AREA. It's never an argument about the technology, always about the providers. They always talk about bandwidth on adsl or sdsl being less, but this is probably a function of the provider throttling it down. Everyone talks about security on cable, but this is all relative as adsl or sdsl can be just as lax if not implemented properly. It's almost an apples and oranges argument.
This Salon article is no different. He is comparing PacBell dsl (which sucks) to MediaOne's cable service. This is not representative of the technologies involved and frankly makes me a little upset.
Hopefully someone (maybe me) can find a good link to post that compares technologies, not services.
Or maybe someone who really is involved with cable technology can write a article here on cable technology, and I or someone else would be happy to reply with a similar paper on DSL technologies.
-=Ex-manager of Wrestlers=-
Amen.
There is much to be learned from breaking things.
Being able to beat on a box mercilessly will teach you things that you could never ever learn on a machine you care about.
That being said, there is also a lot to say about giving people a path to the rightous way. Being able to get a taste of linux on a Windows box is not such a bad thing. This might just be the motivation some people need to do it right.
2 from an ex-manager of professional wrestlers.
Go for it.
They ride our network, this would be a cool test.
Start on Monday though.
I just want a battery like the ones they had for their cameras for my laptop...
Maybe instead of Football and Basketball teams in Highschool maybe now we will have HTML and Perl teams. We can sing songs like "They call him mister Java..." instead of mister touchdown. The cheerleaders will call the other team "Wimps" (Windows Icons Mice and Pointers). The BMOC would be the guy who can set up virt user tables the fastest instead of the Quarterback.
This would also eliminiate all this school violence because the Football dorks wont be able to look on the internet on how to make bombs. And since they don't play Duke Nukem, they really wont even have the desire for such behavior.
The best part though is that I'm gonna get laid!
This international driver permit sounds interesting. Does anyone have any info on this?
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I think everyone should quit worrying about whether it's a mp3/4 or whatever and realize what they are trying to do here. These guys have been talking about changes in the conventional methods of creating music and music distribution through new technology for years. Just listen to the message Harry Allen left on Chuck's machine on the Muse Sick -N- Hour Mess Age album. Now these guys are actually putting out music that, to the best of my knowledge, can't even be bought in a store and people are complaining about a file format.
I think we should give PE mad props for going against the record company and showing everyone how things should be.