The chinese seem to have big plans for the moon and are not unlikely to succeed. Also don't underestimate India, they are a long way with their space program and are also in a space race with neighbour china.
Ever thought that the game wasn't the cause of your problems but just a way for them to come out? The problem is that some people can be easily influenced, that on itself is a problem, subjecting such kids to mushroom policy isn't going to help....
Jeroen
Mushroom policy: Keep them in the dark, Feed them shit and chop their heads off when they look up.
Since they have no leads all power must be inserted through strong EM field. The antenna has quite a large part in picking up fields (otherwise you wouldn't need it) so disconnecting it will make a large difference. Also they will probably not really disconnect it but have a sort of shortcut to prevent large voltages from being generated. The field you would have to generate will probably do more damage to your potential offspring than the rfid tag.
Those figures are for operational circuits (and operating as expected). Most components can be heated to far greater temperatures such as during soldering. Since these can also have some waterproof (and probably thermal insulative) casings you will damage your clothes far sooner than the tags in them.
You just have to charge the full amount to the first customer (or make sure you have enough customers for the first batch). The problem with your model (and it is used alot) is that you sell software like it is an actual good, i.e. you design it and then produce it. The actual production costs of software are so low (practically none) that you only have the design part left and that is what you should charge for, not some magic value you give to a box with a cd and some dead trees.
BTW far more software is already written on demand then most people think, its just less visible
In that case you could have easily thought of it yourself and will most likely be a result of the language or API itself. When you have to print 'hello world' on the screen nobody will make a claim on your program if it contains 'printf("hello world\n");' eventhough that exact line might be present in a gpld program. Its just to obvious. Copyright expects something original.
I think you missunderstood me, binaries on the same cd are ok. Dynamic linking is not ok. If dynamic linking was ok there would be no need for the lgpl as you could link against gpl libraries which you can't.
If you call a function you have to link it in at runtime. With GPL'd libraries this is not allowed, but you can runtime link with LGPL libraries. If you write a program that just starts GPL binary, that is fine. As an easy example: you can write a shell script and publish it under a non-gpl license even though it at some time runs 'ls' which is part of the GNU utils.
Simple, they provide the source for the programs that contain gpl code. They simply follow the rules of the license. The applications they add that come without source don't use or link against gpl'd code. There is nothing in the gpl that says you can't sell the programs for profit. If you distribute one proprietary progam with gpl code you have done something the gpl doesn't allow you to do, namely linking it.
Oh well, I have laid out my real position up there ^^^ in the rest of the thread
The only other thing I saw from you in this thread was a pissing contest about whose code was more valuable.... which brings us back to my first post, either the gpl'd part are less valuable or less original than yours and you are just lazy to use it instead of providing it yourself or it is more valuable in which case you are paing a price for not having to implement a major part of your program.
I still get the impression from you you want substantial parts of code from others and you might just share a bit back if they ask nicely and you are in a good mood.
So provide some arguments to the guys (like me) writing gpl'd software why they should use the BSD license instead. Sofar 'I wan't to use it like all the other good kiddies but don't want to have to do anything for it' is not convincing me to use another license. In fact you have reasured me that choosing the GPL for my software was the right thing to do to keep obvious parasites like you away from it.
Suppose you are developping a big application and are using a single GPL'd function or a single line of GPL'd code.... In that case you have the following possibilities:
- You are just plain lazy. You have the resources to write or have written a large chunk of code and could have written that last line/function as well. Having to obey the license is just the price for your lazieness.
- The GPL'd code is just brilliant and it would have cost you a lot to replicate it. In that case that line/function ceases to be just a line or just a function but becomes an important part of your program. Having to obey the license is the price for saving you a lot of work.
There simply is no excuse for using someone elses work and not respecting the license they chose. If you don't like the license don't use the code.
Depends on what side you are and how you see yourself. If you read the article thouroughly you will notice that it talks mainly about how different cultures see each other... People from the East will see Americans as rude while the Americans themself find it normall to argue with an superiour. On the other side the Americans will see the Easteners as sheepish for not arguing in public. It says nothing about wheter the discussion actually takes place, just about were and with whom (private or whole world).
Atleast that is what they want people to think... For the video drivers that might be true. Although I doubt there is really anything really new in there... a lot of manufacturers overestimate their own brilliance. But for there chipset drivers (e.g. nForce) they are just plain assholes.
If by "everything" you mean "every modern method for committing genocide" and "every modern method for running a horrific, totalitarian government" you have a point.
We may have invented it, but the US is perfectioning it....
Actually, it is when the coffee is brewed. When you have water under pressure, you can superheat it far above boiling (up to the structural limits of the pressurizer). As a result, the coffee is pretty close to boiling when it first hits the pot.
The lady got it in a plastic cup, superheating was not an issue I presume..... Even in the case of superheating one could argue that since the boiling point itself rises it is still under it, just above the standard defined boiling point (which really is nonsense). The reason I added that point was that one of the previous times this thread came up someone actually said it was sold above boiling......
One more point on the Fahrenheit (sorry for the spellin on the prev. post, we use Celsius): The guy must have had a big ego using his own ass in defining the scale:)
Ok I'll make a quick summarry of the last few times this thread came up:
- Yes the woman is an idiot, putting a hot substance between your legs is stupid no matter if it is 150F or 200F. - MD should have made clear that their hot coffee was hotter than the other places selling hot coffee that was not so hot. - No it was not above boiling, if that were the case they would have sold hot coffee vapor. - This is offtopic - MD sucks for making coffee hotter than others to make it last longer - MD now sucks but didn't used to because you can't get hot coffee anymore
(BTW fahrenheid sucks, you should start using celsius)
Intel has made it very clear when they announced the Centrino chipset they would support Linux. Well they haven't, their video chipset has a broken bios and no documentation and their wireless chipset has no documentation. For the videochip there is some binary only stuff that only works with a very limited set of kernels and X versions. For the wireless chip there still isn't even a driver.
The promises are getting dated and the hardware is getting dated. The only thing new comming out of intel is PR bullshit.
I don't think that would matter at all (I haven't tried a pci card in my ultra 10 yet, its a creator 3d and comes with a very good card (two actually it also has onboard vga)). You would probably not get a console on it, but X should be able to work with it fine.
You only need the $400 card if you want a real Sun one and want it supported by Solaris. You can stuff in any PCI video card if you run some other OS such as Linux.
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The chinese seem to have big plans for the moon and are not unlikely to succeed.
Also don't underestimate India, they are a long way with their space program and are also in a space race with neighbour china.
Jeroen
You forget the teletubby landscape you get between those two....
Or is that the part that is cut out?
Jeroen
Ever thought that the game wasn't the cause of your problems but just a way for them to come out?
The problem is that some people can be easily influenced, that on itself is a problem, subjecting such kids to mushroom policy isn't going to help....
Jeroen
Mushroom policy: Keep them in the dark, Feed them shit and chop their heads off when they look up.
Since they have no leads all power must be inserted through strong EM field. The antenna has quite a large part in picking up fields (otherwise you wouldn't need it) so disconnecting it will make a large difference.
Also they will probably not really disconnect it but have a sort of shortcut to prevent large voltages from being generated.
The field you would have to generate will probably do more damage to your potential offspring than the rfid tag.
Jeroen
Those figures are for operational circuits (and operating as expected).
Most components can be heated to far greater temperatures such as during soldering.
Since these can also have some waterproof (and probably thermal insulative) casings you will damage your clothes far sooner than the tags in them.
Systems like this are already a reality, only right now they use cameras to record license plates.
Jeroen
You just have to charge the full amount to the first customer (or make sure you have enough customers for the first batch).
The problem with your model (and it is used alot) is that you sell software like it is an actual good, i.e. you design it and then produce it.
The actual production costs of software are so low (practically none) that you only have the design part left and that is what you should charge for, not some magic value you give to a box with a cd and some dead trees.
BTW far more software is already written on demand then most people think, its just less visible
Jeroen
In that case you could have easily thought of it yourself and will most likely be a result of the language or API itself.
When you have to print 'hello world' on the screen nobody will make a claim on your program if it contains 'printf("hello world\n");' eventhough that exact line might be present in a gpld program.
Its just to obvious.
Copyright expects something original.
Jeroen
I think you missunderstood me, binaries on the same cd are ok. Dynamic linking is not ok.
If dynamic linking was ok there would be no need for the lgpl as you could link against gpl libraries which you can't.
Jeroen
If you call a function you have to link it in at runtime. With GPL'd libraries this is not allowed, but you can runtime link with LGPL libraries.
If you write a program that just starts GPL binary, that is fine.
As an easy example: you can write a shell script and publish it under a non-gpl license even though it at some time runs 'ls' which is part of the GNU utils.
Jeroen
Simple, they provide the source for the programs that contain gpl code.
They simply follow the rules of the license.
The applications they add that come without source don't use or link against gpl'd code.
There is nothing in the gpl that says you can't sell the programs for profit.
If you distribute one proprietary progam with gpl code you have done something the gpl doesn't allow you to do, namely linking it.
Jeroen
Oh well, I have laid out my real position up there ^^^ in the rest of the thread
The only other thing I saw from you in this thread was a pissing contest about whose code was more valuable.... which brings us back to my first post, either the gpl'd part are less valuable or less original than yours and you are just lazy to use it instead of providing it yourself or it is more valuable in which case you are paing a price for not having to implement a major part of your program.
I still get the impression from you you want substantial parts of code from others and you might just share a bit back if they ask nicely and you are in a good mood.
Jeroen
I'd be happy with a BSD style licence
So provide some arguments to the guys (like me) writing gpl'd software why they should use the BSD license instead.
Sofar 'I wan't to use it like all the other good kiddies but don't want to have to do anything for it' is not convincing me to use another license.
In fact you have reasured me that choosing the GPL for my software was the right thing to do to keep obvious parasites like you away from it.
Jeroen
Suppose you are developping a big application and are using a single GPL'd function or a single line of GPL'd code....
In that case you have the following possibilities:
- You are just plain lazy. You have the resources to write or have written a large chunk of code and could have written that last line/function as well.
Having to obey the license is just the price for your lazieness.
- The GPL'd code is just brilliant and it would have cost you a lot to replicate it. In that case that line/function ceases to be just a line or just a function but becomes an important part of your program. Having to obey the license is the price for saving you a lot of work.
There simply is no excuse for using someone elses work and not respecting the license they chose.
If you don't like the license don't use the code.
Jeroen
Depends on what side you are and how you see yourself.
If you read the article thouroughly you will notice that it talks mainly about how different cultures see each other...
People from the East will see Americans as rude while the Americans themself find it normall to argue with an superiour.
On the other side the Americans will see the Easteners as sheepish for not arguing in public. It says nothing about wheter the discussion actually takes place, just about were and with whom (private or whole world).
Jeroen
No, they should be critisized for promissing something and not doing it for a year....
Jeroen
Atleast that is what they want people to think...
For the video drivers that might be true. Although I doubt there is really anything really new in there... a lot of manufacturers overestimate their own brilliance.
But for there chipset drivers (e.g. nForce) they are just plain assholes.
Jeroen
If by "everything" you mean "every modern method for committing genocide" and "every modern method for running a horrific, totalitarian government" you have a point.
We may have invented it, but the US is perfectioning it....
Jeroen
Actually, it is when the coffee is brewed. When you have water under pressure, you can superheat it far above boiling (up to the structural limits of the pressurizer). As a result, the coffee is pretty close to boiling when it first hits the pot.
:)
The lady got it in a plastic cup, superheating was not an issue I presume.....
Even in the case of superheating one could argue that since the boiling point itself rises it is still under it, just above the standard defined boiling point (which really is nonsense).
The reason I added that point was that one of the previous times this thread came up someone actually said it was sold above boiling......
One more point on the Fahrenheit (sorry for the spellin on the prev. post, we use Celsius):
The guy must have had a big ego using his own ass in defining the scale
Jeroen
Ok I'll make a quick summarry of the last few times this thread came up:
- Yes the woman is an idiot, putting a hot substance between your legs is stupid no matter if it is 150F or 200F.
- MD should have made clear that their hot coffee was hotter than the other places selling hot coffee that was not so hot.
- No it was not above boiling, if that were the case they would have sold hot coffee vapor.
- This is offtopic
- MD sucks for making coffee hotter than others to make it last longer
- MD now sucks but didn't used to because you can't get hot coffee anymore
(BTW fahrenheid sucks, you should start using celsius)
Jeroen
No its not....
Intel has made it very clear when they announced the Centrino chipset they would support Linux.
Well they haven't, their video chipset has a broken bios and no documentation and their wireless chipset has no documentation.
For the videochip there is some binary only stuff that only works with a very limited set of kernels and X versions.
For the wireless chip there still isn't even a driver.
The promises are getting dated and the hardware is getting dated. The only thing new comming out of intel is PR bullshit.
Jeroen
Or some smart ass figured driving 10 meters with an 11 feet extension cord was ok :)
Jeroen
It took a while longer, but finally the Americans can join us in denial :)
Jeroen
I don't think that would matter at all (I haven't tried a pci card in my ultra 10 yet, its a creator 3d and comes with a very good card (two actually it also has onboard vga)).
You would probably not get a console on it, but X should be able to work with it fine.
Jeroen
You only need the $400 card if you want a real Sun one and want it supported by Solaris.
You can stuff in any PCI video card if you run some other OS such as Linux.
Jeroen