Actually, all he proved was that the most popular online game at GameSpy is Counter-Strike. But everyone knows GameSpy is mostly filled w/ FPS players anyways.
Nice trolling yourself....he clearly does "understand the 'Microsoft Tax' term"
In fact he said: "I do think it sucks that you have to pay for windows even if you're not going to use it."
And he reads/., so he's obviously heard about the Microsoft Tax many, many times. Get off your high horse buddy. Linux is not better than Windows at everything. Just like Windows is not better than Linux. (Perhaps I should throw in Mac OS for more confusion.) He pointed out legitimate shortcomings in Linux. That most people, except the worst Linux fanatics, accept as a fact, and something that should be improved on. Of course, no-one listens to the extreme Mac zealots either.
a stationwagon cannot be delivered anywehere in the US in 24hrs
how long would a stationwagon take to drive 6800 miles? well...assuming an average speed of 75mph, no stopping: 90.66 hours. The combined luggage and passenger capacity of a Ford Taurus is 143 cubic feet or about 4.2 million cubic centimeters. Using the provided rate of 1000 tapes in a 50x50x50 cm^3 box implies that a Ford Taurus could hold about 33,600 tapes, or 235200 Gigabytes. Over a 90.66 hour period, that equates to 5903 megabits per second. This Internet2 record is 923 megabits per second. We are getting in the right ball park here....I'd give up on your claim as there's a very good chance it could happen.
Why not order or buy a box copy of your favorite linux distro? Maybe people should actually be supporting the linux distro companies. It's a hell of a lot cheaper than buying windows XP./I
Because they are students.....there's a reason why the Educational version of applications are usually much much cheaper.
If you're gonna bring the GNU argument in....remember that Linux is not necessarily GNU/Linux. Linux can be built w/out GNU...just like you can have GNU/Hurd.
I used this graphic calculator for 7 years....still have it buried in a closet somewhere...I would intentionally drop it to show people how durable it was....had broken pens leak on it repeatedly....and never had a problem.....except for the time it returned 3 when I entered 1+1 (j/k)
We dont do enough video editing to warrant a dedicated high-end video setup
We dont do quite a bit of super high poly+raytrace work...but because its architectural, it rules out most software packages (Maya sucks for trying to model buildings, and I need to work quite a bit with the industry standard-AutoCAD)
I know full well that my machine isn't optimal for video editing...we purchased Combustion, not Inferno or Flame. I also must use the workstation for web development and graphic design as well (and some network admin stuff)....in short, my time is to divided for my company to purchase a machine optimized for each of the myriad of tasks I must do....which is why we have a maxed out x86 solution....because the machine (and my time) is needed for more than one task
thanks for responding so I didn't have to poke the holes in his argument
and yes, I work for one of those companies that does enough different high-end graphics/animation work to warrant a top-of the line PC workstation, but not enough of any particular kind of video/graphics work to warrant buying specialized hardware components....meaning we don't do enough for screen/film editing to warrant the purchase of an AVID board
we dont do enough of that kind of work to warrant purchasing an SGI (at least not according to the bean counters)....however, we do do enough of it to wish x86 hardware was further in development than it is
when the system exhausts physical ram and resorts to the page file, rendering time goes through the crapper.....meaning i have to wait longer to continue to the next step....meaning my employer loses money from my downtime.....and it also means that the client must wait longer for urgent results....which again means my employer loses money
I have a friend who loves to extol the difference between need and want....my future audio and server rack-mount system at home is a want, this is a need. Untill architects can design their buildings in real time at photorealistic quality with full detail, they won't be satisified with computing power. And even then they will still want to have still-off goals of full engineering calculations automated with every change.
When I say 3D rendering I don't mean openGL/DirectX rendering....I mean full raytraced, reflection/refraction with global illumination, complex shaders, etc. With scenes as complex as I'm working with, I'm still looking at rendertimes of upwards of an hour per frame.
And as for video editing. Take a 1920x1080 (max HDTV) clip in raw 1 targa per frame format, add gradients, filters, masks, particle effects, 3d camera movements and lighting, and tell me you can buffer more than a few seconds in RAM. Don't believe me? Go download the demo version of Combustion from Discreet and try it.
And yes, I use all of them on a day to day basis. When you need to render a single still image 24"x36"x150dpi (19.4 million pixels)....renderfarms are out of the question. And when you have to develop photrealistic animations....well, you get the idea
And as for the video, try working on full-HDTV (1920x1080) in raw Targa or Tiff format. Less than 15 seconds of footage and the RAM buffer is filled.
there are a lot more CAD packages out there besides AutoCAD (even though I do use it quite a bit) and 3D modeling of realworld objects for production purposes is included in the CAD descriptor, regardless of what CAD/CAM package you use.
guess what? CAD users have been the driving force in high-end workstations for quite a while now....current machines still aren't sufficient enough to do near-photorealistic design in real time....and they won't be for anytime soon. Untill then, this niche market (if I'm an anomoly, why is Autodesk such a huge developer and Microsoft's biggest supporter?) will continue demanding better
I'll take your old guy comments into consideration:)
but fact is, acceptable rendering times have remained constant as technology has gotten better/faster because 3d artists always want to make it more and more real....I'm currently working on a project that is about the same scope, but with a higher level of realism, as the Beauty and the Beast ballroom scene
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I live in Los Angeles, and my friends give me shit whenever they can't reach me because my battery is dead.
Actually, all he proved was that the most popular online game at GameSpy is Counter-Strike. But everyone knows GameSpy is mostly filled w/ FPS players anyways.
Nice trolling yourself....he clearly does "understand the 'Microsoft Tax' term"
/., so he's obviously heard about the Microsoft Tax many, many times. Get off your high horse buddy. Linux is not better than Windows at everything. Just like Windows is not better than Linux. (Perhaps I should throw in Mac OS for more confusion.) He pointed out legitimate shortcomings in Linux. That most people, except the worst Linux fanatics, accept as a fact, and something that should be improved on. Of course, no-one listens to the extreme Mac zealots either.
In fact he said: "I do think it sucks that you have to pay for windows even if you're not going to use it."
And he reads
architecture, as in buildings, not software
a stationwagon cannot be delivered anywehere in the US in 24hrs
how long would a stationwagon take to drive 6800 miles? well...assuming an average speed of 75mph, no stopping: 90.66 hours. The combined luggage and passenger capacity of a Ford Taurus is 143 cubic feet or about 4.2 million cubic centimeters. Using the provided rate of 1000 tapes in a 50x50x50 cm^3 box implies that a Ford Taurus could hold about 33,600 tapes, or 235200 Gigabytes. Over a 90.66 hour period, that equates to 5903 megabits per second. This Internet2 record is 923 megabits per second. We are getting in the right ball park here....I'd give up on your claim as there's a very good chance it could happen.
Why not order or buy a box copy of your favorite linux distro? Maybe people should actually be supporting the linux distro companies. It's a hell of a lot cheaper than buying windows XP./I
Because they are students.....there's a reason why the Educational version of applications are usually much much cheaper.
If you're gonna bring the GNU argument in....remember that Linux is not necessarily GNU/Linux. Linux can be built w/out GNU...just like you can have GNU/Hurd.
GNU is Not Unix, but Linux is not GNU
I was just at the local computer swapmeet today...and saw 250GB drives for $280 (US).
I have a raid motherboard....so...
2 primary IDE chains x 2 250GB drives
2 raid chains x 2 250GB drives
WOW.... 2TB.....whoopdeedoo...that was hard
I used this graphic calculator for 7 years....still have it buried in a closet somewhere...I would intentionally drop it to show people how durable it was....had broken pens leak on it repeatedly....and never had a problem.....except for the time it returned 3 when I entered 1+1 (j/k)
Why did we ever move to PC's from thin clients in the first place?
:)
Trust me...you don't want to be working on the same mainframe as me when I'm editing/rendering huge 3D animations
that should be "we do quite a bit..."
should've hit preview
We dont do enough video editing to warrant a dedicated high-end video setup
We dont do quite a bit of super high poly+raytrace work...but because its architectural, it rules out most software packages (Maya sucks for trying to model buildings, and I need to work quite a bit with the industry standard-AutoCAD)
I know full well that my machine isn't optimal for video editing...we purchased Combustion, not Inferno or Flame. I also must use the workstation for web development and graphic design as well (and some network admin stuff)....in short, my time is to divided for my company to purchase a machine optimized for each of the myriad of tasks I must do....which is why we have a maxed out x86 solution....because the machine (and my time) is needed for more than one task
read my other comments to see why an SGI is not appropriate for the work I am doing.
thanks for responding so I didn't have to poke the holes in his argument
and yes, I work for one of those companies that does enough different high-end graphics/animation work to warrant a top-of the line PC workstation, but not enough of any particular kind of video/graphics work to warrant buying specialized hardware components....meaning we don't do enough for screen/film editing to warrant the purchase of an AVID board
we dont do enough of that kind of work to warrant purchasing an SGI (at least not according to the bean counters)....however, we do do enough of it to wish x86 hardware was further in development than it is
no, need
when the system exhausts physical ram and resorts to the page file, rendering time goes through the crapper.....meaning i have to wait longer to continue to the next step....meaning my employer loses money from my downtime.....and it also means that the client must wait longer for urgent results....which again means my employer loses money
I have a friend who loves to extol the difference between need and want....my future audio and server rack-mount system at home is a want, this is a need. Untill architects can design their buildings in real time at photorealistic quality with full detail, they won't be satisified with computing power. And even then they will still want to have still-off goals of full engineering calculations automated with every change.
When I say 3D rendering I don't mean openGL/DirectX rendering....I mean full raytraced, reflection/refraction with global illumination, complex shaders, etc. With scenes as complex as I'm working with, I'm still looking at rendertimes of upwards of an hour per frame.
And as for video editing. Take a 1920x1080 (max HDTV) clip in raw 1 targa per frame format, add gradients, filters, masks, particle effects, 3d camera movements and lighting, and tell me you can buffer more than a few seconds in RAM. Don't believe me? Go download the demo version of Combustion from Discreet and try it.
I'm primarily running 3DStudio, Combustion, AutoCAD, Macromedia Studio, Photoshop, FormZ, and FileMaker Pro.
And yes, I use all of them on a day to day basis. When you need to render a single still image 24"x36"x150dpi (19.4 million pixels)....renderfarms are out of the question. And when you have to develop photrealistic animations....well, you get the idea
And as for the video, try working on full-HDTV (1920x1080) in raw Targa or Tiff format. Less than 15 seconds of footage and the RAM buffer is filled.
there are a lot more CAD packages out there besides AutoCAD (even though I do use it quite a bit) and 3D modeling of realworld objects for production purposes is included in the CAD descriptor, regardless of what CAD/CAM package you use.
guess what? CAD users have been the driving force in high-end workstations for quite a while now....current machines still aren't sufficient enough to do near-photorealistic design in real time....and they won't be for anytime soon. Untill then, this niche market (if I'm an anomoly, why is Autodesk such a huge developer and Microsoft's biggest supporter?) will continue demanding better
unfortuneately, because I'm in the architecture profession, and have to do quite a bit of graphic work besides 3d/video, I'm stuck w/ 3dsMax on win32
I'll take your old guy comments into consideration :)
but fact is, acceptable rendering times have remained constant as technology has gotten better/faster because 3d artists always want to make it more and more real....I'm currently working on a project that is about the same scope, but with a higher level of realism, as the Beauty and the Beast ballroom scene