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3D Display a Little Bit Closer to Reality
arielsebbag writes "According to CNET, Several high-tech companies including Sony and Sanyo have officially unveiled a consortium to create technical and safety standards for bringing three-dimensional displays to desktops, laptops and cell phones. They are probably focusing their efforts on the technology developed by Sharp. It looks like they are actually good to go and hopefully the 3D display will hit the market by 2004."
Something really IS going to jump out of the display and hit those poor designers in the face
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Oh great... Like it's not annoying enough when I'm trying to have dinner with a friend and his stupid girlfriend calls him to nag him for 20 minutes in the middle of it... Now he'll actually get totally engaged in the experience of humoring her and completely forget I'm there. Isn't technology wonderful?
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Is there going to be any legitimate non-gaming or high end science usage for something like this? I can't see this being relevant to any more than 1/100 of the computer using populace.
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Can someone explain to me a little better what a 3D display is exactly? I dont get it. As far as I'm concerned, my monitor already does 3D.
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3D BSODs.
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Talk of 3D screens always make me think back to the failed Nintendo VirtuaBoy. It gave you glocoma (Yes, you can smoke pot legaly, but that's beside the point.)
People don't want to watch TV/use a computer on a peripheral device. They want to do it sitting back in a comfy chair.
While objects in the background do not pose problems, viewing objects in the foreground can cause the eyes to shift back and forth rapidly.
The main reason I wear glasses is by using a poor quality monitor for about 6 years, since the pixels jiggle my eyes would constantly refocus. Hopefully, they can fix this to some extent...
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3d pr0n...
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I am axiously awaiting news of their grid computing initiatives. I was hoping that would be released today. What news of it do you have?
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It will never happen! Remember that no technology becomes popular without being embraced by the porn industry and how the heck will the porn industry work with 3D displays?!? It's pointless to think about it I mean it's completely and utterly ridiculo...
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I've heard that future versions of windows will escape the standard 2 dimensional desktop and add a 3D element to the GUI. Will these be the types of displays it will use? and how can they code for a 3D GUI without having a device to use it with? Or was it just 3D-looking on a standard 2D display.. ideas?
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The friend I'm thinking of is quite straight, though.
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I'm not saying it might not be usefull in the same applications it's usefull in now, but untill I can use one for 6 hours with no eyestrain, I don't think I want one.
UT2003/3D would be pretty damn cool, though...
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So is this perhaps another reason they are stopping production of CRTs and having a go at this 3D stuff?
Leaving established technology, and pursuing the cool new stuff we tend to see from Sony?
I like that business plan!
Seriously though, 3D displays are extremely useful for a variety of applications, from architecture (actual 3D renderings that you can actually walk around and see) to medicine (detailed and accurate 3D MRI imaging).
Of course, this particular article deals with 3D for entertainment purposes, so of course I have to mention the most probable use for 3D displays, which is 3D pr0n (in case you didn't catch the 50 or so other posts making the same exact joke).
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Cool tech, two LCDs seperated by a screen rather than glasses, but the eye strain problem seems to be a killer. Think of all the problems with eye strain from a regular monitor (ergonomics, hysteria to some degree, possibly law suits).
The CNN and news.com.com articles were a little short on details, the each eye recieving a seperate image makes me think that the alignment of the two screens is horizontally side by side, rather than one behind the other with a slight offset.
I could've missed something however.
Anyway, I seem to remember a projection based holo game (was some kinda wierd space western) I played in the arcade in the early 90's, it used various projectors onto various pieces of glass to generate a 3D image (and looked pretty good if I recall). Isn't there better tech out there for true 3D rather than a flatscreen LCD?
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I thought about using some kind of gas which would be suspended in a chamber. You'd need 2 lasers (X and Y axis) which would shine into the gas and light it up. Voila! 3d display which you could walk around, probably on par with the one in Star Wars.
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As long as it is not like those x3d googles
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There are already countless products out there that will allow your monitor to display in 3D. Some of them are even fairly inexpensive(if not very good). Stereo Graphics Corporation has recently come out with both 42 and 20 inch monitors that don't require any special eyewear to produce a near perfect stereoscopic. For a mere $6,000, you can have all the fun of 3D without those dorky glasses. Of course, expect NuVision to be right on their tails with a less expensive comparable option. Sony and Sanyo are already far behind.
Think more like UT2006/3D will be damn cool
To see images or run programs in 3D on these screens, users won't need special glasses or additional software. Sharp already sells a cell phone with a 3D screen for the NTT DoCoMo network in Japan and is showing off a 3D notebook at conferences and press events that can run a 3D version of the game Quake.
...Three-dimensional monitors consist of two TFT panels separated by a parallax barrier. Each eye receives a slightly different image, which creates the illusion of depth....While objects in the background do not pose problems, viewing objects in the foreground can cause the eyes to shift back and forth rapidly.
nice to see these will be autostereoscopic displays. I was looking for a bit more information about the notebook, but I can't find much. There is some information in Japanese about the phones, though, as well as a few comments from this page.
This sounds like more advanced technology than the previous 3D displays occasionally discussed here, where the LCD panels were seperated by a larger space and there was less of a reliance on optics for a more limited 3D effect. I would imagine this will still have some negative side effects in terms of viewing angle though, can anyone comment on that?
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Imagine people ducking out of the way at the money shot...
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For example, the 3D images are best viewed from 40 centimeters away, Sharp representatives said. Sitting closer or further away results in seeing two overlapping images As with all other 3D attempts, doesn't this kind of defeat the purpose? You pretty much have to view the 3D model from a fixed point, so you may as well just render the image in 2D. How is viewing a "3D" image any better than a 2D representation of a 3D model when you can't rotate your head around the image?
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From a technological point of view, this will do wonders for porn.
Like all of you don't love the idea of fragging some punkass noob in 3D. Well, MORE 3D. Somehow. Ah, screw it, I'll just go buy a gun.
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I've changed my prescription for my contacts almost every year since I started using computers.... There isn't a single monitor that doesn't kill my eyes. I know for a fact the 2 images used to make a 3d monitor isn't going to help my eyes any. Why don't they focus on making monitors that keep the populous from going blind?
In the long run they're just going to lose money.... blind people don't need no stinkin monitors!
So.. they want to limit the 3D effect, so programs don't take it upon themselves to pop out and poke you in the eye?
How do you make standards for eye strain? Maybe they need to define some unit of pain. Like, using this display for one hour is equivalent to x hours using Windows...
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Seen 3D displays already from 15" LCDs to 50" plasmas from ddd. Check them out at www.ddd.com
3d pr0n, OMG duck!
this was on about a month and a half ago.. I wish I rememberd the link...
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We've been working with 3D video and 3D live web cams for the past few years, and the biggest obsticle is the need to wear "funny glasses".
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People don't want to watch TV/use a computer on a peripheral device. They want to do it sitting back in a comfy chair.
I doubt that this technology could easily be implemented into television. I pity the device that has to track 4 sets of eyes.. at varied distances over 10 feet.. in different positions about the room.
Is it just me or would this add to the ever expanding potential of ruining your keyboard all over again? And think of the consequences this would have on the ever popular questions "How long is it?"/"How big is it?". Thats right guys! We cant lie about having an 11-incher anymore!
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Of course it would dramatically impact the joy of NetMeeting on a new level by actually letting you see how REALLY ugly and fat your "partner" is.
As for Counter-Strike/Quake/UT ect.. nothing is better than actaully feeling the urge to DUCK when a peice of someones skull comes flying at you because of the rocket launcher explosion right behind them
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Monitors are hard on the eyes, yes. But what about those of us who CAN NOT see 3d or depth properly? Ie. A person with strabizmus?
Ppl with strabizmus don't really have control over their eyes, they can only interperet the image from ONE eye at a time, and they can't usually control which eye they get that image from. (Thus they can't get the depth/3d part)
Finally, we'll be able to use 3dwm in its full glory !
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Does anyone remember FELIX 3D displays? I know they can't be used on cell phones, but at least they work...
3D displays would require quite a bit of change in hardware and software to be useful, as far as I can tell. I doubt that any video cards made right now are (currently, anyways) capable of displaying the 3D illusion.
And to take full advantage of 3D displays, it would require 3D file formats, no? New formats for movies and pictures would need to be created. *.mpg3d or *.gif3d or something. It's an interesting idea.
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Dimentions Technologies Incorporated have been selling 3D monitors (without the glasses!) for years. When they first came out they got very favorable reviews, but the major quip was with the price. Well, the prices have come down significantly, and you can get a 15" True 3D flat panel monitor, for $1700, and an 18" for $5000. 32-Bit color, resolutions up to 1024x768 (for the smaller ones), and 1280 x 1024 for the big ones, that's not such a bad deal. Also, it goes from 2D monitor to 3D at the toch of a button. Not bad if you ask me.
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Does anyone remember that? I thought the overall effect for that was pretty revolutionary. Really did look like the Millenium falcon chess game between Chewbacca and R2D2.
I wonder why actual games and that kind of technology wasn't developed further.
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I can't help but think that this is the kind of jump in technology that Apple is uniquely positioned to popularize.
One day, they'll simply announce that they'll only sell 3D displays from then on. There will be alot of customers buying 3rd party monitors for a while, just like there were when they switched to all LCDs, but plenty of customers will buy the displays just 'cause they come with their Macs.
Meanwhile Apple gets to drop selling plain old LCDs, which by then will be a low profit margin commodity, just as CRTs were when they dropped them, and move to selling only higher end/higher profit displays. And selling them in more volume than anyone else is likely to be at the time, because of their access to all Mac customers.
And Apple is well positioned for the move on the software side too. They have already re-implemented their entire windowing system in OpenGL. It would be relatively trivial to add 3D window positioning and widgets. (And damn cool in some ways too, there will certainly be some useless eye candy, but some simple obvious things like being able to look behind a window just by moving your head a bit, would by really cool imho).
Other large volume computer companies, like Dell, would undoubtedly follow in Apple's footsteps, looking for the same advantages, but none of them have the secure vertical niche that Apple has.
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One word: cellphone
Actually that might be two words.
Anyways, in Japan they ALREADY are taking advantage of this technology - you can take 3D pictures on your photo-capable cellphones, print them out, etc etc. I don't know how well it works because I havn't seen it in action yet, but it has sure been in commercials a lot lately.
Don't think of 3D as a real 3D like "volumetric" but more like those magic-eye things - where it's an illusion of 3D, in the other words, you don't get more data (i.e. you never see more of the sides of the 3D thing by changing your perspective, trying to look at the display from the sides), but the object appears 3D, fooling your eyes.
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This will make 3D programming easier I think....well, from a low level point of view anyways...but also for debugging, etc. No more rasterizing, well not as we know it anyways. Man, Soldier of Fourtune 2 would be great with something like this. :)
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This technology sounds like a more complicated (and expensive) version of the already-complicated and expensive LCD technology we have. Furthermore, it doesn't sound like the technology will work well with the OLED's that are just starting to come out.
Given a choice between "3D" LCD and 2D OLED, I'll take OLED, thank you very much.
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yawn, apple always lags in technology. Wow, firewire 800, color me impressed.
Umm, but doesn't CleverNickName sell these?
btw Wil, who is that hot aussie on that infomecial? helloooo nurse!!!
The best thing about a 3D display would be playing Resident Evil or Alone in the Dark, and being able to pause the game, walk around the monitor, AND SEE WHAT'S ATTACKING YOU DESPITE THE STUPID FUCKING CAMERA ANGLES!
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I've have one on my desktop already.
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It's been said before and I'll quote it again:
3D is just bad 2D.
Save for games, I have yet to see an application where 3D doesn't make things worse.
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"One of the first subcommittees will examine establishing methods for tweaking software applications so that they can take advantage of 3D screens. Hardware input-output specifications will be the subject of another subcommittee."
3D Consortium member list:
Sony, Sanyo, Itochu, NTT Data, Sharp, Microsoft, Kodak,Olympus
Who's proprietary drivers will be the only thing it works with for the first few years?
i want to see a news site dedicated to cache'ing old press releases quoting vaporware of the "future" 2004, hah!
"3D Display a Little Bit Closer to Reality"
if this is a joke, then bravo!
No matter which way you turned, you saw the same perspective.
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I recently saw the 2d to 3d conversion of the britney spears pepsi ad that DDD did. It looks absolutely fantastic Anyone else catch that???
I have a lazy left eye, basically when I close it, I see the exact same image as I do with both open. The left side is blurry, but this is only noticable when I close my right eye. Unfortunately, I've never gotten this corrected.
Will I still be able to use these 3d displays?
Ahhmmm.... ahhmmm. So how big are those monitors again?
All the discussion I've seen thus far assumes, understandably, that these things are going to be next gen. computer monitors. What about next gen TVs?! Insert "Virtual" into "Reality Television."
http://www.realtime-3d.com
there are graphic @dult 3d videos and images availabe that display the possiblities.
Imagine the first time you get the crap scared out of you by a 3d X-10 popup ad.
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...in the article is that, to achieve the illusion of depth, the user must continuously blink one eye, then the other, exactly 30 times per second.
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Thank goodness they are outlining some safety standards for there displays. I sure wouldn't want to zoom in on a pixilated 3D model and have a nipple poke me in the eye.
I guess this is modded "funny" because there are no modifiers for "ignorant" or "discriminatory"
I lost an eye five years ago to a mugger, so everything is 2D for me.
Yeah, I know, the punchline isn't very funny.
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I have read through the posts, and many people have stated that it only simulates 3D through twin images, but hurts the eye due to it all being on a single focal plane. While I can understand this, what I don't get is how does the eye know what the focal plane is?
I mean, if I close one eye and look at the monitor, it is in focus. If I then hold my finger ~10cm from my eye, it will be out of focus unless I try to look at it, in which case the monitor will be out of focus. In what way does a SINGLE eye have to change to focus at these different lengths? And how does it "know" where to focus on without the input from the second eye? Would it possible to trick the eye into thinking that the light is coming from a particular distance, regardless of where it is really coming from? If so, then you'd be able have true 3D, wouldn't you?
More interesting uses of screens can directly improve the bottom line. At Comdex, for instance, Sharp showed off a new version of its Muramasa notebook, which weighs just over two pounds. Earlier this year, the company showed off an LCD panel with an embedded Zilog microprocessor. Sharp envisions a time when complete computers will be embedded into monitors, Nakagawa said. - Sharp to license Commodore Pet?
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..so when I'm playing quake and move my head to try and see round the corner, or lean over when my sister leans over when playing some daft driving game, it will actualy work as opposed to making the game player simply look stupid.
Now Ralph Kramden will be able to buy a TV!
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Here is how to test if your at a 2D or 3D:
1. Pick out two objects, one close and one far.
2. Move your head side to side, if the stay the name, your at a 2D, if they move, your at a 3D.
Ever watched someone play 3D games and move there head around to see what's behind the corner?
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Being able to view their output on screen without goggles? I can't wait to see that!
(Their site talk about printing, but that's simply because 3D displays are not common yet).
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Restrain yourself. The technology being discussed isn't real 3d. The display is _two_ lcd screens which means you only get two perspectives on a scene -- one for the left eye and one for the right. This is a couple thousand or so perspectives less than a good hologram which itself generally offers less than half the perspectives that the 3 projection of Leia in Star Wars had since most holograms are flat and can't be viewed from the back.
You won't be walking around to view the screen from the back. Photos posted to eBay won't suddenly, magically, become 3d.
I have to think that all the negativism about the technology is maybe just indicative of the general mood. Sure it's riddled with flaws. Yes, we know it's been done. (And NO, it is not right for EVERYTHING!) But at least we are being offered this reminder that someone isn't going to quit until we can all beam a 3D movie of real-live Princess Leia onto our coffee tables. Me likey the 3D! Me wanty the 3D! We might take further encouragement from the fact that big guns like Sony and Sharp are moving in (again). Besides, you know a technology is about ripe when a big brand moves in and claims victory for years of everyone else's hard work, right? We are taking big steps in the right direction.
3D for cell phones is a waste of time. I can't imagine anyone using a handheld device for web surfing, buying a tie online for Father's Day or watching a movie. Interfaces need to be a certain size and at eye level for it to be tolerable.
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Come on, with a 3D display no one will need a physical girlfriend!
And the most profitable...
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3D porn... I know it's the lowest common denominator, but I bet you anything that it will drive the consumer market
And start calling it 'that display that makes you go all cross-eyed for an hour after you look at it'.
Or possibly 'the Dolly Parton' since that's what it'll be used for most...
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I did a project on this technology for school back in 1994. I would have posted it but Slashdot didn't exist back then.
I guess you are a retarded faggott.