Wikileaks has credibility; Assange does not. I mean, he told a reporter that he was too busy to talk to them because he "too busy ending two wars." That kind of narcissism is profoundly stupid.
There's no link or citation to what exactly these incidents involved. Just the big scary "oh noes the government did this" accusation. Was it say, pursuant to a court order after a copyright infringement trial?
I just don't understand how you think that China shouldn't be criticized until the US is completely blameless; that would basically mean China has a free ride for eternity.
Without the starfish on the beach the delicate coastal ecosystem was altered; shore birds that used to feed on the starfish, and feed them to their young went hungry and left. Without the shorebirds the insect population increased and drove everyone from the beach. And I don't want to tell you what the giant automatic beach combing and starfish catapulting machine did to the buried sea turtle eggs.
"The information that the leaks so far have confirmed or revealed give Wikileaks all the legitimacy it's ever needed, Anyone who has missed that point has an irreparably skewed world view."
Specifics? The leaks have turned out to reveal behavior that (gasp) really isn't especially egregious. I think the tinfoil hat crowd is a little upset about that.
I understand why they didn't want to negotiate; it gives him legitimacy. They see him as a smirking, college drop-out paranoid conspiracy theorist party boy who has materials he's not entitled to. They didn't feel like they should be forced to go to him with hat in hand and make requests for materials he's not supposed to have in the first place. It's kind of like if someone steals your car then tells you that if you can convince him to he'll work out a schedule of days where you can drive it too. It would be reasonable to tell the thief to go to hell, even if it results in you never seeing your car again. People in government are people too, with emotions and everything and they will sometimes make decisions based on those emotions.
You're actually linking to bizarre websites of "proof" of something? You are wrong, but so are most of the people on slashdot on this subject so don't feel too bad. A democracy is government where voting is used to determine actions taken, including whether to appoint elected officials as proxies for the will of the people. A republic, from the Latin res publica, or "public thing," simply means ultimate ownership of the state is held by the people. The United States is both.
Cue 4,000,000 slashdot posts how this proves, objectively, with 100% accuracy, that software piracy does zero economic harm and is actually beneficial to everyone involved.
Twitter, like Google, has been close to Obama. Wikileaks is making the Obama Administration (especially Hillary Clinton) look really bad both through the release of what was in those cables
Actually the Clinton state department comes off pretty well in those cables; professional, perceptive, and hard-working.
"And now this. Could it have occurred to those people that the US government isn't behind every one of those things?"
Nope; this is slashdot. Very little critical thinking, but a lot of fanaticism. Many of the people here can't get their tinfoil wrapped heads around the concept of Occam's Razor.
So you think until major problems are "solved," nothing else should be done? Are you one of those people who think that if a city has 1,000 police officers, as long as the murder rate is above 0 every single one of those police officers should spend 100% of their time trying to prevent murders?
you're arguing with the Slashdot Ideological Brigade
The slashdot ideological brigade is, and has been ever since the site was founded, been solidly, rabidly, and fanatically anti-tax, anti-poor, pro-rich libertarian.
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They bought ipads didn't they.
Weird thing is I am in my mid 30's and I've never been called for jury duty, ever.
Wikileaks has credibility; Assange does not. I mean, he told a reporter that he was too busy to talk to them because he "too busy ending two wars." That kind of narcissism is profoundly stupid.
Interestingly enough, the original juries in English law WERE supposed to investigate.
There's no link or citation to what exactly these incidents involved. Just the big scary "oh noes the government did this" accusation. Was it say, pursuant to a court order after a copyright infringement trial?
I just don't understand how you think that China shouldn't be criticized until the US is completely blameless; that would basically mean China has a free ride for eternity.
"We'd have to be honest about the fact that the US is also an international bully first."
Why are you conditioning one on the other? Do you just personally enjoy being an enabler for human rights abuses?
Without the starfish on the beach the delicate coastal ecosystem was altered; shore birds that used to feed on the starfish, and feed them to their young went hungry and left. Without the shorebirds the insect population increased and drove everyone from the beach. And I don't want to tell you what the giant automatic beach combing and starfish catapulting machine did to the buried sea turtle eggs.
"The information that the leaks so far have confirmed or revealed give Wikileaks all the legitimacy it's ever needed, Anyone who has missed that point has an irreparably skewed world view." Specifics? The leaks have turned out to reveal behavior that (gasp) really isn't especially egregious. I think the tinfoil hat crowd is a little upset about that.
I understand why they didn't want to negotiate; it gives him legitimacy. They see him as a smirking, college drop-out paranoid conspiracy theorist party boy who has materials he's not entitled to. They didn't feel like they should be forced to go to him with hat in hand and make requests for materials he's not supposed to have in the first place. It's kind of like if someone steals your car then tells you that if you can convince him to he'll work out a schedule of days where you can drive it too. It would be reasonable to tell the thief to go to hell, even if it results in you never seeing your car again. People in government are people too, with emotions and everything and they will sometimes make decisions based on those emotions.
You're actually linking to bizarre websites of "proof" of something? You are wrong, but so are most of the people on slashdot on this subject so don't feel too bad. A democracy is government where voting is used to determine actions taken, including whether to appoint elected officials as proxies for the will of the people. A republic, from the Latin res publica, or "public thing," simply means ultimate ownership of the state is held by the people. The United States is both.
No, "republic" refers to the ultimate ownership of a state; for the people. Democracy is a method of governing that state.
And yes, it's rape in Sweden if a women withdraws her consent and the man doesn't stop.
In the US too. Which it should be.
Cue 4,000,000 slashdot posts how this proves, objectively, with 100% accuracy, that software piracy does zero economic harm and is actually beneficial to everyone involved.
Twitter, like Google, has been close to Obama. Wikileaks is making the Obama Administration (especially Hillary Clinton) look really bad both through the release of what was in those cables
Actually the Clinton state department comes off pretty well in those cables; professional, perceptive, and hard-working.
Doctors tend to complain that they can only afford a "modest lifestyle" but tend not to understand what they have is generally well above "modest."
"And now this. Could it have occurred to those people that the US government isn't behind every one of those things?"
Nope; this is slashdot. Very little critical thinking, but a lot of fanaticism. Many of the people here can't get their tinfoil wrapped heads around the concept of Occam's Razor.
And they can't just I dunno REFRAIN FROM POSTING IT ON FACEBOOK? Why is that so hard?
"We will only hire you if you demonstrate the ability to ignore overwhelming evidence that the world is not as we say it is."
No, they're saying they won't hire you if you re-post the information. Why doesn't that make sense?
The ONLY kind of calamity that such devices protect you from is accidental deletion or hardware failure
You mean the two most overwhelmingly common ways people lose data they need?
So you think until major problems are "solved," nothing else should be done? Are you one of those people who think that if a city has 1,000 police officers, as long as the murder rate is above 0 every single one of those police officers should spend 100% of their time trying to prevent murders?
you're arguing with the Slashdot Ideological Brigade
The slashdot ideological brigade is, and has been ever since the site was founded, been solidly, rabidly, and fanatically anti-tax, anti-poor, pro-rich libertarian.
Ok, 2011 will NOT be the year of Linux on the desktop.
lets see what will win. pagerank (tm) or freedom of information and knowledge.
Ooh, ooh, I can answer this one. Pagerank(tm). Easily.
How much blowback is there outside slashdot and Assange on this issue?