We deployed Windows 2000 Pro in our office before SP1 was out and we didn't have a single issue.
Using a Microsoft Intelimouse w/InteliEye 1.0 USB, hard lock. Frequently.
Example of some of the inane bugs SP1 fixed (source)
Q263116 Slow DirectX Performance in Windows 2000
Q260919 Disk Defragmenter on FAT32 Volume Hangs with Long Path Names
Q252500 Ntbackup.exe May Cause 100 Percent Central Processing Unit Utilization
Q260929 Cannot Enable Local Area Connection After Placing Computer in Hibernate Mode
Q257991 FTP Service May Not Time Out Inactive Sessions
Q255569 Access Violation When Running the Network Identification Wizard (heh, always fun. . . )
Q260360 FIX: Virtual Machine May Cause a Deadlock
Q258061 Access Violation in Windows 2000 Print Spooler
Note that Windows 2000 STILL do this day has fucked up printing from parrell port printers (100% CPU utilization!). Microsoft ACKNOWLEDGES this error and their suggested fix is to BUY A NEW PRINTER.
Q262490 Error Message: Memory Could Not Be Read...
Q258817 Memory Leak in Lsass.exe in Windows 2000
Q265829 Add\Remove Programs Tool May Not Work After Installing Internet Explorer 5.5 on Windows 2000
Not that SP2, and the ever awaited SP3 don't have their OWN fair share of bugs.
And if I had a buck for every time I had to reboot a XP machine. . . . well ok I'd only have like 20 dollars or so, but considering the only XP machine I ever touch is over at my friend's house. . ..
I don't agree. Windows 2000 without any service packs was not "bug ladden(sic)". Yes, it had bugs. Hardly any affected 95% of the users, or it wouldn't have been released. Bash MS all you want, but their beta process for Windows is very good at weeding out most of the bugs.
Uh, upon release, did MS not admit that Windows 2000 had an estimated 65,000 bugs left?
I know of one pre-SP1 bug that effected me immediatly out of the box, quirky USB mouse support, random crashes. Oh joy.
Do yourself a favor and get the psychological counseling you need. If you think that seeing someone eating shit or butterfly-splitting their penis is something that only the most delicate of children and adults would be upset by, then you need help.
I'm sorry, but this is the net;
and, my fellow/.'er, everything is on the net.
And everybody KNOWS everything is on the net. If part of "everything" is something that they cannot imagine, then so be it, that does not stop the data from being there.
Quite frankly I have long been looking for anything I am not desensitized to. (I find the predator archives to be rather humorous. *WARNING* Insanly explicit shit */WARNING* )
I have 160 kbs upstream (probably 120kbs after PPPoE overheads, etc), and about 140ms latency to the target server. I run the desktop at 1152x864 with 256 colours. This is Windows 2000 Server Terminal Services. The performance is very snappy and better than VNC or pcAnywhere. I've use both the Windows Terminal Services Advanced Client, and rdesktop under Linux (although I've found the latter needs to use bitmaps with WinXP. Looking at my Netgear router, it consumes less than 5KB/s throughput, and works okayish on dialup. As for WinXP desktop sharing, I've only done it over the LAN, but I don't see why it would be significantly worse than Win2K TS.
This is using Netmeeting mind you, maybe TS isn't quite so craptacular? I wouldn't put it past MS to cripple their free product so as to keep people from using that instead of paying out for TS.
The performance of Windows Terminal Services (and Win XP's remote desktop sharing) is fantastic, and very impressive.
Over a 256kbit upstream line, (1mbit/s downstream connection), Remote Desktop Sharing, err, uh, heh. Sucks. Granted it is a BIT better than VNC, but it still sucks.
8bit color 800x600 mind you. Suckith. A lot. Just pretty much ANYTHING going on, I mean serious issues here. ~20ms latency if I ping the computer I am connecting to, but over 2 or 3 seconds latency for any tasks being performed.
This is with all the fancy Windows XP doodads turned off and all fancy shmancy effects disabled. Even with just Notepad open, touch typing becomes a pain. (though granted then I am down to a 'mere' 500ms or so latency. Oh joy. . ..)
Actually, Schneier points out that if you built a Dyson sphere around the sun to trap all its energy, it MIGHT be enough to cycle a counter through all (2**128) states before it implodes, if your high and low voltages were just barely distinguishable and you can do it fast enough
Of which I have just a slightly higher chance of bringing an x-ray machine into close contact with a supposidly secure computer.:-P
Seriously, megasuperfaster beyond anything we can produce today computers are about as likely as me dragging an x-ray machine of some sort around, or even ripping open a case and pointing 50 watt lights at somebodies RAM chips.
The point is, what security we already have is generaly good enough for today and NOT something that is going to be broken by some astronomical feat of engineering any time soon.
Well except for copying down people's PIN numbers of passwords. That is still the largest security hole out there.:-P ^_^
What are you going to do about it? Pour the 15-foot thick concrete bunker around it yourself?
Demand that the government FIXES it rather than just relying on security through obscurity. . ..
The U.S. Government seems intent on the idea that if they HIDE the security flaws that those flaws will not be exploited by terrorists. (and of course as a bonus side effect they don't have to hear the public keep on bitching about those security holes either!)
Well first off, it is fairly hard to stop people from WALKING THROUGH public places. Second off, copies of plans still exist in archives unscrupulous individuals (a category which terrorists definitely fall into the category of) are more than willing to find ways to gain access to.
So does hiding the security flaws make any difference? No, shit will still get blown up. The only difference is that the people won't get to realize how much danger they are in and thus will not be able to force their legislators to FIX those problems before those problems ARE exploited.
Democracy relies on the principle of a populous educated on issues pertinent to society. Kind of hard to have an EDUCATED populous when the government keeps on taking away the relevant data!
Get a clue. The whole point of a smart card is to keep the data safe even in the event of physical tampering. For this purpose, the processor of a smart card is enclosed in a black box which will chemically self-destruct if you try to tamper with it. Much research on smart cards goes into ensuring that security can not be broken in spite of physical access.
Sorry, I am used to seeing regular static memory chips marketed as being "smart cards", I did not realize that there was an actual secure version of the things. Buzzwords got to me. ^_^
Any encryption can still be broken through though brute force.
Hmm, from the first site you linked to;
Entertainment: Most DSS dishes in the U.S. have smart cards.
The one involving the neccesitating of stacking humans up in kennels, err, sorry I mean apartment buildings (or "condos" if you are rich) like rabbits in hutches.
Our attack is particularly relevant against smart cards or tamper-resistant computers, where the user has physical access (to the outside of the computer) and can use various means to induce faults; we have successfully used heat.
If somebody intent on breaking through the smart card's security has access to the smart card, then sooner or later the security WILL be broken. Encrypting data is NOT a foolproof way to keep things safe, though having the security measures last a dozen or so years IS a rather safe second bet.:)
If I can drag in a machine capable of producing sufficient x-rays to within range of the computer.
Well fuck it, I can just get a screw driver and OPEN the mofo.
It has ALREADY been proven that no matter how hard something is protected / encrypted / etc, given enough time (and resources!) it will ALWAYS be possible to break though whatever protection measures are in the way. The ONLY 100% secure computing environment is a
Well heck, actualy there ISN'T one, because even a keyboard going into a big grey locked steel box can have its wires taped so when an authorized user DOES use it the applicable passwords can be captured.
Basicaly we are all fucked. The good news is that the orgy WILL be broadcast on the playboy channel for only 39.95.
I've only been on the web 8 years but shoot, I remember seeing a ton of changes in just that relatively short time.
I remember when nobody had pop-up ads, and when the banner ad thing first started. Remember the original link exchange rings? Also remember what kind of sites had them? No reputable site would dare have a banner on it!
The no frames movement? Hey that one actually succeeded more or less! Of course it helped that frames where outdated by tables and eventually style sheets of various forms, lol!
I remember when the "Next Big Thing" was VRML. I also remember how buggy the VRML players where. It was crazy, the Japanese did have a few good VRML attractions though.
Best of all I remember being able to do a web search for *COUGH* not so legal *COUGH* applications and not coming up with a ton of porn sites! Heya imagine that! lol
Of course I also remember doing insanely complicated regular expression searches just to FIND any data. Search engines sucked to such a large degree back then it wasn't even funny. And there also was not nearly so much information on the Internet, though there tended to be a lot more net culture history around. Anybody else here remember the BERMs VS Nerds thing that was the hot debate topic for the longest time?
I remember the original incarnation of weird.com and of givememoney.com (now a squatters domain)
Send your Cash, Check, or Valuables to:
Some Homeless Guy New York New York. . ..
*sigh*
Geocities used to be the somewhat lame but legit web host with domain names that where far to long. Crosswinds.net was the little known quality free hosting service. Tripod.com was the somewhat smaller competitor to Geocities.
And Gamespy used to be an APPLICATION not some huge multinational corporation. Hehehehe. Damn that is funny, looking at how far Gamespy has come, LOL! I never even really did like their product! Oh well, hehe. Hey Fragmaster, you rock!:)
Jeez, then the.com boom hit and everything went down the tube. We all kept on hoping that the "Next Big Thing" would come forth from it and we put up with all the B.S. that the bean counters brought in, always waiting for something new to emerge from these new gigantically funded companies.
But. . ..
*sigh*
Same old web, just a ton more banner ads. But hey, now there is a banner ad size standardization group! Some days I think that is all the web ended up getting out of the.com boom. . . .
How do you differentiate what is good for children to see or not? Huh? Would brittanyspears.com be banned? MTV with picts of her in skimpy clothes? Oh thats differnt thats pop culture.
Hell yah it is different, I would ban that crap. It legitimizes what are otherwise seen (rightfuly so) as obscene actions.
The porn can stay, but damnit, get rid of britney!
Congratulations, you would add oodles of layers of complexity to the system, and the system would still have a single point of vulnerability.
Namely the private key, which would be FUNCTIONALY IDENTICAL TO THE SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER, except with a ton of technology placed in between point A and point B.
Number stolen, person still screwed, nothing changed.:)
The real solution is for SSN#'s to stop being used as unique identifiers!
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Using a Microsoft Intelimouse w/InteliEye 1.0 USB, hard lock. Frequently.
Example of some of the inane bugs SP1 fixed
(source)
Q263116 Slow DirectX Performance in Windows 2000
Q260919 Disk Defragmenter on FAT32 Volume Hangs with Long Path Names
Q252500 Ntbackup.exe May Cause 100 Percent Central Processing Unit Utilization
Q260929 Cannot Enable Local Area Connection After Placing Computer in Hibernate Mode
Q257991 FTP Service May Not Time Out Inactive Sessions
Q255569 Access Violation When Running the Network Identification Wizard (heh, always fun. . . )
Q260360 FIX: Virtual Machine May Cause a Deadlock
Q258061 Access Violation in Windows 2000 Print Spooler
Note that Windows 2000 STILL do this day has fucked up printing from parrell port printers
(100% CPU utilization!). Microsoft ACKNOWLEDGES this error and their suggested fix is to BUY A NEW PRINTER.
Q262490 Error Message: Memory Could Not Be Read...
Q258817 Memory Leak in Lsass.exe in Windows 2000
Q265829 Add\Remove Programs Tool May Not Work After Installing Internet Explorer 5.5 on Windows 2000
Not that SP2, and the ever awaited SP3 don't have their OWN fair share of bugs.
And if I had a buck for every time I had to reboot a XP machine. . . . well ok I'd only have like 20 dollars or so, but considering the only XP machine I ever touch is over at my friend's house. . .
heh.
Uh, upon release, did MS not admit that Windows 2000 had an estimated 65,000 bugs left?
I know of one pre-SP1 bug that effected me immediatly out of the box, quirky USB mouse support, random crashes. Oh joy.
Yah but it wasn't ENJOYABLE to use. The term "bug ladden piece of crap" comes to mind.
As it is, just getting a fresh Win2K install upgraded to SP1 is not all that fun, ick.
I'm sorry, but this is the net;
and, my fellow
And everybody KNOWS everything is on the net. If part of "everything" is something that they cannot imagine, then so be it, that does not stop the data from being there.
Quite frankly I have long been looking for anything I am not desensitized to. (I find the predator archives to be rather humorous. *WARNING* Insanly explicit shit */WARNING* )
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still laughing over it, LOL!
First the war, then we introduce cell phones.
This is using Netmeeting mind you, maybe TS isn't quite so craptacular? I wouldn't put it past MS to cripple their free product so as to keep people from using that instead of paying out for TS.
Over a 256kbit upstream line, (1mbit/s downstream connection), Remote Desktop Sharing, err, uh, heh. Sucks. Granted it is a BIT better than VNC, but it still sucks.
8bit color 800x600 mind you. Suckith. A lot. Just pretty much ANYTHING going on, I mean serious issues here. ~20ms latency if I ping the computer I am connecting to, but over 2 or 3 seconds latency for any tasks being performed.
This is with all the fancy Windows XP doodads turned off and all fancy shmancy effects disabled. Even with just Notepad open, touch typing becomes a pain. (though granted then I am down to a 'mere' 500ms or so latency. Oh joy. . .
MS doesn't want to have to spend the money checking over code every time somebody anywheres in the world opens up one of their source files?
Of which I have just a slightly higher chance of bringing an x-ray machine into close contact with a supposidly secure computer.
Seriously, megasuperfaster beyond anything we can produce today computers are about as likely as me dragging an x-ray machine of some sort around, or even ripping open a case and pointing 50 watt lights at somebodies RAM chips.
The point is, what security we already have is generaly good enough for today and NOT something that is going to be broken by some astronomical feat of engineering any time soon.
Well except for copying down people's PIN numbers of passwords. That is still the largest security hole out there.
Demand that the government FIXES it rather than just relying on security through obscurity. . .
The U.S. Government seems intent on the idea that if they HIDE the security flaws that those flaws will not be exploited by terrorists. (and of course as a bonus side effect they don't have to hear the public keep on bitching about those security holes either!)
Well first off, it is fairly hard to stop people from WALKING THROUGH public places. Second off, copies of plans still exist in archives unscrupulous individuals (a category which terrorists definitely fall into the category of) are more than willing to find ways to gain access to.
So does hiding the security flaws make any difference? No, shit will still get blown up. The only difference is that the people won't get to realize how much danger they are in and thus will not be able to force their legislators to FIX those problems before those problems ARE exploited.
Democracy relies on the principle of a populous educated on issues pertinent to society. Kind of hard to have an EDUCATED populous when the government keeps on taking away the relevant data!
Sorry, I am used to seeing regular static memory chips marketed as being "smart cards", I did not realize that there was an actual secure version of the things. Buzzwords got to me. ^_^
Any encryption can still be broken through though brute force.
Hmm, from the first site you linked to;
----http://smartcard.nist.gov/faq.html
Yah, and we all know how secure those are! Yup, DSS security has never been bypassed once!
The one involving the neccesitating of stacking humans up in kennels, err, sorry I mean apartment buildings (or "condos" if you are rich) like rabbits in hutches.
So? I am using IE and the PPT file opened in OpenOffice. I am not paying the Word Tax, hell no.
*yawn*
you win the "lame ass useless troll trying to seem like an intelligent post" award.
Move along, nothing to see here.
If somebody intent on breaking through the smart card's security has access to the smart card, then sooner or later the security WILL be broken. Encrypting data is NOT a foolproof way to keep things safe, though having the security measures last a dozen or so years IS a rather safe second bet.
If I can drag in a machine capable of producing sufficient x-rays to within range of the computer.
Well fuck it, I can just get a screw driver and OPEN the mofo.
It has ALREADY been proven that no matter how hard something is protected / encrypted / etc, given enough time (and resources!) it will ALWAYS be possible to break though whatever protection measures are in the way. The ONLY 100% secure computing environment is a
Well heck, actualy there ISN'T one, because even a keyboard going into a big grey locked steel box can have its wires taped so when an authorized user DOES use it the applicable passwords can be captured.
Basicaly we are all fucked. The good news is that the orgy WILL be broadcast on the playboy channel for only 39.95.
I've only been on the web 8 years but shoot, I remember seeing a ton of changes in just that relatively short time.
.
:)
.com boom hit and everything went down the tube. We all kept on hoping that the "Next Big Thing" would come forth from it and we put up with all the B.S. that the bean counters brought in, always waiting for something new to emerge from these new gigantically funded companies.
.
.com boom. . . .
I remember when nobody had pop-up ads, and when the banner ad thing first started. Remember the original link exchange rings? Also remember what kind of sites had them? No reputable site would dare have a banner on it!
The no frames movement? Hey that one actually succeeded more or less! Of course it helped that frames where outdated by tables and eventually style sheets of various forms, lol!
I remember when the "Next Big Thing" was VRML. I also remember how buggy the VRML players where. It was crazy, the Japanese did have a few good VRML attractions though.
Best of all I remember being able to do a web search for *COUGH* not so legal *COUGH* applications and not coming up with a ton of porn sites! Heya imagine that! lol
Of course I also remember doing insanely complicated regular expression searches just to FIND any data. Search engines sucked to such a large degree back then it wasn't even funny. And there also was not nearly so much information on the Internet, though there tended to be a lot more net culture history around. Anybody else here remember the BERMs VS Nerds thing that was the hot debate topic for the longest time?
I remember the original incarnation of weird.com and of givememoney.com (now a squatters domain)
Send your Cash, Check, or Valuables to:
Some Homeless Guy New York New York. . .
*sigh*
Geocities used to be the somewhat lame but legit web host with domain names that where far to long. Crosswinds.net was the little known quality free hosting service. Tripod.com was the somewhat smaller competitor to Geocities.
And Gamespy used to be an APPLICATION not some huge multinational corporation. Hehehehe. Damn that is funny, looking at how far Gamespy has come, LOL! I never even really did like their product! Oh well, hehe. Hey Fragmaster, you rock!
Jeez, then the
But. . .
*sigh*
Same old web, just a ton more banner ads. But hey, now there is a banner ad size standardization group! Some days I think that is all the web ended up getting out of the
When I went there a few years back most of what I found was all just mechanical stuff of little or no interest to me.
Some nifty semi-cheap (or at least not to horrendously priced) building materials though.
I just went and read through the entire freakin book on my CRT.
/. story submitters could be a bit more considerate!
GEE THANKS NOW I AM GOING TO NEED A FREAKIN HUB TO EVEN SEE!
Yeesh, figure
There's nothing intrinsically wrong with drinking, any more than there is with any other form of entertainment.
Method of least harm, most bang for your buck. People need some sort of stress reliever, but drinking is a fairly inefficent one.
I care to disagree. Drinking is a waste of resources, resources wasted could have been and should have been allocated to better use.
Hell yah it is different, I would ban that crap. It legitimizes what are otherwise seen (rightfuly so) as obscene actions.
The porn can stay, but damnit, get rid of britney!
Congratulations, you would add oodles of layers of complexity to the system, and the system would still have a single point of vulnerability.
:)
Namely the private key, which would be FUNCTIONALY IDENTICAL TO THE SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER, except with a ton of technology placed in between point A and point B.
Number stolen, person still screwed, nothing changed.
The real solution is for SSN#'s to stop being used as unique identifiers!
It seems for every bit of knowledge I gain, I just learn how much more there is to know.
Maybe in yet another two or three years I will be able to understand WTF they are talking about. . . .