the secure interface into the kernel seems to be the key to providing a well thought out way of doing security
if each module that wanted to do security a different way where to fashion its own way of interfacing then I think that only one way would end up having a chance
SELinux came from the doing the same thing to Mach based systems (which is what HURD and Darwin is based on) so maybe the other projects could use this
(I am sure that Apple would not mind being on the list of US guv approved secure OS)
It seems that the NSA is actually Protecting U.S. citizens
Something it sets out in its charter amazing that all those dollars go there and very few things come out of it.
If I was a Citizen of the US I would write to my representative and commend the NSA on this project and put it in the spotlight (this often means that Projects get better funding and are less likely to disappear).
basically you can export you desktop to any client running TCP/IP
this can be done with VNC for windows(NT/2k/9x/winCE) / X/MACOS
even it can be done to a java applet so you can do sysadmin through a webpage
you can then patch VNC to do crypto and away you go secure computeing over TCP/IP
(as long as your login is secure)
but you seem to fail to understand what most KVM are used for TERMINALS and that would be Serial ones at that most of them hook into that nice serial port out of a SOLARIS/SUN OS/AIX/ HP-UX/LINUX/(net/free)BSD boxen
why you dont have a kick arse display on a web/printer/data server because it does not need it and I for one would not like to load my machine with it
(plus when a unixlike box falts and has to reboot where does it put the output if no monitor attached;-)
if you dont mind loading you box and want graphics then VNC is the way to go
(please ignor RDP as it has serious falts and you cant tune it to your connection speed)
put manuals in plastic bag along with driver disk and phyically attach it to hardware
(those plastic ties are nice )
this is to prevent it getting lost if they seperate the box from board
FORMAT HARD DISK
(do it with a linux distro for a laugh and root pass =password)
HOW Many machines Have I boot to find letters to tax man porn and such is quite unbeliveable
those 2 steps are really nice
my advice is walk into a primary school with a linux box and X up and running with a edu game on it and the teachers love you (-;
put more cache on the chip because after all its the same structure on the die and get huge gains in performance
(as long as your MMU and cache lines are done right)
but takes up more die so more expensive
Charge an ARM and a LEG
oh come on you arnt serious ? I hear you cry
ask an intel engineer the diff between XEON Px and plain Px
answer cache
(yes I know that designing a decent cache is hard but compare it to a real change in arch;-)
I see for the shell that a keyboard popup is there
BUT for normal apps how is it done? for X their is Xscribble from the boys and girls at CRL (compaq) which is standard part of the handhelds.org distro and palm of course have the dedicated part of screen with WinCE vendors chouseing how they do it
how about voice input ?
now that would rock if only IBM recompiled their Linux ViaVoice for StrongARM I bet a bunch of vendors would be real intrested
WinCE already has this in their beta builds but its very much like the Apple Voice control (which is kind of funky) but I find that the Apple Implementation is sensitive to background noise and depends on what Mic you have: in my mind I can see the people shouting at their organisers to "mail, oh e-mail, post , arrrch how do I pick up mail ??" (-;
I really cant see how they are going to do it on QNX
how much work will get done it and which version will people ship their products with ?
my guess is someone will tinker with it (the GPL version)
then the sinistra version will gain features that people want so they will use that one and wont care about the licence
its funny you all thought that you could make money from IPO or something like that
sinistra thinks that its products will be used in some grand scheme and they wont get a cent because they published under GPL
come on what matters is customers !!!
the customer is.......... right
most software is written at the behest of a customer, has sinistra got ANY ?
yes belive it or not they would get funded I am sure from IBM/Compaq SUN any large hardware seller beacuse software is complementry to hardware
the problem is that these people thought that they would get rich like the VA linux, the Redhat and the Caldera
that time is over and now they learn that they are giveing away stuff and have no customers no sponsors and well they had nice jobs at the uni and now they ask themselves "why did we do this wheres all my work going ?"
and they see the GPL as preventing people from paying them
really
go out and find money research grants sponsors and guvemenst are tripping over themselevs trying to give away money for good causes why dont you try for these ?
there has always been a bit of confusion over trident drivers
e.g. the CYBER9385 this had at one stage 3 drivers distributed in a major release this is because they named chips the same
Trident supplies low cost chips because they are small (as in die size) and thus makes them less power hungry which is essential in laptops
the problem is that lately they have done into the onboard chipset market with Mother Board manufactures garbing them as a cheap way to stick video on board
then trident accelerated parts of their chips for these vendors
they have always been tight but allowed NDA people to help out writing drivers
the people you should complain to are the MB manufacturers who properly paid for the work to be done
so this begs the question who uses trident that you know ?
me I know SIS do so
write to
China
Ms. Ellie Yin
Tel:886+2+29161619 ext.346
E-mail: ellie@sis.com.tw.
hey no those results are right you just have to put them into context
Reiser is desgned for large amounts of Dir and files which is what this tests for
and yes it achive very high marks but I have yet to see a TB on a Reiser in a live platform yet I see one every day for XFS (streaming video) and I know someone who has AIX with 3TB on it
most large files seem to be of the video nature or are database yes while MP3s are comman and thata is what Reiser did (remember mp3.com was a sponsor and came up in the boot up) but I have to say round here most peoples dir do not contain over 1000 files most have some MP3s and video, documents and the like
really I have been running XFS on a i686 for a while and have not had anything go wrong (we havent exactly pushed it tho)
what XFS and JFS need are ports to other archs and JFS seems to recogise this
remember benchmarks are written to test certain things but we commanly relie on quantum chaotic things and are unable to test for this (because they dont really have random things)
jez people wake up thats not the point of the release
(2001-04-24 22:58:34 Khronos Group OpenML 1.0 Spec Released (articles,news) (rejected)
* 2001-08-28 21:56:47 Sun adds fonts and DPS support to XFree86 (articles,x) (rejected)
both important next we see Khronos Group OpenML up come on sort it )
the point of this Xfree was to add fonts and DPS to xfree86 code
+ wrap up the binarys so that all the same command run on solaris intel as well as Sparc e.g. Xsun
I recently starting doing some fs performance comparisons with Netbench
and the journal filesystems available in 2.4: Reiserfs, JFS, XFS, and
Ext3. I thought some of you may be interested in the results. Below
is the README from the http://lse.sourceforge.net. There is a kernprof
for each test, and I am working on the lockmeter stuff right now. Let
me
know if you have any comments.
Andrew Theurer
IBM LTC
seems that its all pretty much rocking and they turn out the same ish even tho they do things differant except riser which sucks and alaways has in my eyes (each to their own)
yes I have used winCE and even done dev work (now now VB can be useful;-)
what I lament is the start bar being there at all why have this why not have a hidden menus spread out instead they keep the desktop mnemonic of a single button instead of expanding along the bottom
the problem is that even though the winCE developers want to do things differently they are constrained by peoples familiarity with windows9x and the marketing dept want to look like that because of the "built in market"
its sad because WinCE had some much going for it in terms of technical ability but we are often constrained by old paradigms of user interaction
and phillips plus a japanese company have done this well
I was at a tradeshow and they had a huge fan and a BMW dash and seat you could talk to the MP3 player and radio even when the fan was on and lots of background noise (the fan simulated being in a car with the roof down apparently)
the thing is that the whole "START button" is silly
why is it silly ?
because really does the user start multiple process's ? no not really they just start apps up and then refer to another then back again there is not really all that multitasking from the point of veiw of the user
its not like you can open 12 xterms a watch the progress or even watch a video and write a document at the same time
and this is why palmOS is not multitasking at the moment there is little need to (soon people will demand and the power will be there to listen to MP3 and look at the address book/browse web) and the hardware has for a long time been able to do this
the StrongARM that this uses has been out for a long time 3+ years (guesstimate) how long is a processor in the desktop around for ?
linux has been running for a long time on the stongARM the netwinder used it before they tried transmeta and went bankrupt
but the point is that the start button is not a good memonic a start page (like palmOS) with all the apps is a good idea this could be expanded to showing you emails where in the inox (much like a today page) along with news and such
the real thing would proberly look much more like the Microsoft stinger mockup
lots of AC's surpose schools out and lots of bord lawyers (-;
X get a card that has hardware acceleration is my advice that means one that has good support
(me I go for an S3 card every time as the old ones are well supported in XFree86 3.x)
realistaclly you want a window manger that is low on grapgics if you can get people to run TWM the better because that is rock solid and low bandwidth
(less XPM to shove across the pipe makes john a happy boy)
realistaclly this setup has been tried alot and works but really
how about storys about NIS and adding crypto into it
how about mergeing win2k and unix logins
lots of things I would like to know rather than beating the old TCO drum realistically who cares people go out and buy what they like in terms of cheapness whatever you want a bang for your buck then go down the tip and grab a machine put a free Word Processor on it and away you go
what really makes the differance is manageability why do you think everyone started going down the thin client route thats because its easy to manage and means less hassles and less hassles = cheaper
please stop trying to pull these stunts and try something out
this depends on how resource hungry and Divice drivers are done
GUI has to be faily light weight and done in software only as hardware bliting is still a novelty
the link loader also would have to be tweaked for a differant arch (e.g. gnumach can not run on mips because of the linker and loader at presant (nor can apple darwin only ppc and intel))
keep in mind that in terms of microprocessors out there intel is very small
PPC sells more than intel and MIPS may be 10-20 times as much with ARM arch well ahead of these (do you have a cell phone ?)
my advice to kurt is target it generically and try and build it for MIPS ARM and PPC as well as intel and this will make it very easy to add any others that you want to
Slashdot Mirror
the secure interface into the kernel seems to be the key to providing a well thought out way of doing security
if each module that wanted to do security a different way where to fashion its own way of interfacing then I think that only one way would end up having a chance
They seem to be using a generic interface so all credit to them (they are useing Linux Security Module)
SELinux came from the doing the same thing to Mach based systems (which is what HURD and Darwin is based on) so maybe the other projects could use this
(I am sure that Apple would not mind being on the list of US guv approved secure OS)
It seems that the NSA is actually Protecting U.S. citizens
Something it sets out in its charter amazing that all those dollars go there and very few things come out of it.
If I was a Citizen of the US I would write to my representative and commend the NSA on this project and put it in the spotlight (this often means that Projects get better funding and are less likely to disappear).
Regards
John Jones
the guy whop put the up the CG/webpage claims that the graphics are his copyright
correct me if I am wrong but he is redistributeing the database in a differant format
he is not doing any analysis or changeing the data in any way but redisplaying it
so he has no copyright claim at all as far as I can see bit of a joke really
regards
john jones
basically you can export you desktop to any client running TCP/IP
/MACOS
/LINUX/(net/free)BSD boxen
;-)
this can be done with VNC for windows(NT/2k/9x/winCE) / X
even it can be done to a java applet so you can do sysadmin through a webpage
you can then patch VNC to do crypto and away you go secure computeing over TCP/IP
(as long as your login is secure)
but you seem to fail to understand what most KVM are used for TERMINALS and that would be Serial ones at that most of them hook into that nice serial port out of a SOLARIS/SUN OS/AIX/ HP-UX
why you dont have a kick arse display on a web/printer/data server because it does not need it and I for one would not like to load my machine with it
(plus when a unixlike box falts and has to reboot where does it put the output if no monitor attached
if you dont mind loading you box and want graphics then VNC is the way to go
(please ignor RDP as it has serious falts and you cant tune it to your connection speed)
regards
john jones
this looks really nice I was looking for a StrongARM evaluation board and this fits the bill for a student project
I am very greatful to Tim Riker who seems like at really nice guy (tm)
its projects like this that make it all worth while..
regards
john jones
p.s. mod this AC up
right if you want to donate a machine
put manuals in plastic bag along with driver disk and phyically attach it to hardware
(those plastic ties are nice )
this is to prevent it getting lost if they seperate the box from board
FORMAT HARD DISK
(do it with a linux distro for a laugh and root pass =password)
HOW Many machines Have I boot to find letters to tax man porn and such is quite unbeliveable
those 2 steps are really nice
my advice is walk into a primary school with a linux box and X up and running with a edu game on it and the teachers love you (-;
regards
john jones
the best one yet is cache
;-)
put more cache on the chip because after all its the same structure on the die and get huge gains in performance
(as long as your MMU and cache lines are done right)
but takes up more die so more expensive
Charge an ARM and a LEG
oh come on you arnt serious ? I hear you cry
ask an intel engineer the diff between XEON Px and plain Px
answer cache
(yes I know that designing a decent cache is hard but compare it to a real change in arch
result (foolish) customers upgrade
fun of the fair
regards
john jones
how is input done ?
I see for the shell that a keyboard popup is there
BUT for normal apps how is it done? for X their is Xscribble from the boys and girls at CRL (compaq) which is standard part of the handhelds.org distro and palm of course have the dedicated part of screen with WinCE vendors chouseing how they do it
how about voice input ?
now that would rock if only IBM recompiled their Linux ViaVoice for StrongARM I bet a bunch of vendors would be real intrested
WinCE already has this in their beta builds but its very much like the Apple Voice control (which is kind of funky) but I find that the Apple Implementation is sensitive to background noise and depends on what Mic you have: in my mind I can see the people shouting at their organisers to "mail, oh e-mail, post , arrrch how do I pick up mail ??" (-;
I really cant see how they are going to do it on QNX
any details ?
regards
john jones
yes you can fork it
.......... right
how much work will get done it and which version will people ship their products with ?
my guess is someone will tinker with it (the GPL version)
then the sinistra version will gain features that people want so they will use that one and wont care about the licence
its funny you all thought that you could make money from IPO or something like that
sinistra thinks that its products will be used in some grand scheme and they wont get a cent because they published under GPL
come on what matters is customers !!!
the customer is
most software is written at the behest of a customer, has sinistra got ANY ?
yes belive it or not they would get funded I am sure from IBM/Compaq SUN any large hardware seller beacuse software is complementry to hardware
the problem is that these people thought that they would get rich like the VA linux, the Redhat and the Caldera
that time is over and now they learn that they are giveing away stuff and have no customers no sponsors and well they had nice jobs at the uni and now they ask themselves "why did we do this wheres all my work going ?"
and they see the GPL as preventing people from paying them
really
go out and find money research grants sponsors and guvemenst are tripping over themselevs trying to give away money for good causes why dont you try for these ?
regards
john jones
finally proof of what goes on inside when you eat Cornflakes
I always wanted to do this but was never allowed although I tried it with flower but got much worse results
if you really like to blow things up custard powder rocks !
this is why in medieval times they never allowed candles in the mill
regards
john jones
no I find the ATI X drivers wonderful
so maybe that's the XFree86 hackers doing a good job or ATI I don't know
but personally I have fond them REALLY good
you are so lucky nowadays when I started I had to rely on really bad VESA because my cad was not supported, now you moan that it draws windows slow
how are you justifying this moaning ?
because I thought they gave out spec now
regards
john jones
there has always been a bit of confusion over trident drivers
e.g. the CYBER9385 this had at one stage 3 drivers distributed in a major release this is because they named chips the same
Trident supplies low cost chips because they are small (as in die size) and thus makes them less power hungry which is essential in laptops
the problem is that lately they have done into the onboard chipset market with Mother Board manufactures garbing them as a cheap way to stick video on board
then trident accelerated parts of their chips for these vendors
they have always been tight but allowed NDA people to help out writing drivers
the people you should complain to are the MB manufacturers who properly paid for the work to be done
so this begs the question who uses trident that you know ?
me I know SIS do so
write to
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Tel:886+2+29161619 ext.346
E-mail: ellie@sis.com.tw.
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regards
john jones
this looks to be a great system
I use a nettapp all the time and a filesystem that had the same sort of funtionality would be great
I heard about this in the write up for linuxconf.au but heard little about it since
regards
john jones
http://people.nl.linux.org/~phillips/tux2/
hey no those results are right you just have to put them into context
Reiser is desgned for large amounts of Dir and files which is what this tests for
and yes it achive very high marks but I have yet to see a TB on a Reiser in a live platform yet I see one every day for XFS (streaming video) and I know someone who has AIX with 3TB on it
most large files seem to be of the video nature or are database yes while MP3s are comman and thata is what Reiser did (remember mp3.com was a sponsor and came up in the boot up) but I have to say round here most peoples dir do not contain over 1000 files most have some MP3s and video, documents and the like
really I have been running XFS on a i686 for a while and have not had anything go wrong (we havent exactly pushed it tho)
what XFS and JFS need are ports to other archs and JFS seems to recogise this
remember benchmarks are written to test certain things but we commanly relie on quantum chaotic things and are unable to test for this (because they dont really have random things)
jez people wake up thats not the point of the release
(2001-04-24 22:58:34 Khronos Group OpenML 1.0 Spec Released (articles,news) (rejected)
* 2001-08-28 21:56:47 Sun adds fonts and DPS support to XFree86 (articles,x) (rejected)
both important next we see Khronos Group OpenML up come on sort it )
the point of this Xfree was to add fonts and DPS to xfree86 code
+ wrap up the binarys so that all the same command run on solaris intel as well as Sparc e.g. Xsun
regards
john jones
there are results froms ults/august_2001/filesystems/raid1e/README
http://lse.sourceforge.net/benchmarks/netbench/re
I quote
Hello all,
I recently starting doing some fs performance comparisons with Netbench
and the journal filesystems available in 2.4: Reiserfs, JFS, XFS, and
Ext3. I thought some of you may be interested in the results. Below
is the README from the http://lse.sourceforge.net. There is a kernprof
for each test, and I am working on the lockmeter stuff right now. Let
me
know if you have any comments.
Andrew Theurer
IBM LTC
seems that its all pretty much rocking and they turn out the same ish even tho they do things differant except riser which sucks and alaways has in my eyes (each to their own)
regards
john jones
that would be very goodopenoffice builds have got good and building has beome alot saner
as far as I can tell the openoffice file format is XML like Koffice for text and a modified SVG for graphics
SVG really rocks for graphics checked out Sodipodi for a cool SVG editor
regards
john jones
yes I have used winCE and even done dev work (now now VB can be useful ;-)
what I lament is the start bar being there at all why have this why not have a hidden menus spread out instead they keep the desktop mnemonic of a single button instead of expanding along the bottom
the problem is that even though the winCE developers want to do things differently they are constrained by peoples familiarity with windows9x and the marketing dept want to look like that because of the "built in market"
its sad because WinCE had some much going for it in terms of technical ability but we are often constrained by old paradigms of user interaction
regards
john jones
this looks to be a better bet get rid of START or even app altogether and just use a voice enabled
for a linux one
http://www.infosync.no/en/news/n/289.asp
and phillips plus a japanese company have done this well
I was at a tradeshow and they had a huge fan and a BMW dash and seat you could talk to the MP3 player and radio even when the fan was on and lots of background noise (the fan simulated being in a car with the roof down apparently)
whatever it was V cool
regards
john jones
the thing is that the whole "START button" is silly
why is it silly ?
because really does the user start multiple process's ? no not really they just start apps up and then refer to another then back again there is not really all that multitasking from the point of veiw of the user
its not like you can open 12 xterms a watch the progress or even watch a video and write a document at the same time
and this is why palmOS is not multitasking at the moment there is little need to (soon people will demand and the power will be there to listen to MP3 and look at the address book/browse web) and the hardware has for a long time been able to do this
the StrongARM that this uses has been out for a long time 3+ years (guesstimate) how long is a processor in the desktop around for ?
linux has been running for a long time on the stongARM the netwinder used it before they tried transmeta and went bankrupt
but the point is that the start button is not a good memonic a start page (like palmOS) with all the apps is a good idea this could be expanded to showing you emails where in the inox (much like a today page) along with news and such
the real thing would proberly look much more like the Microsoft stinger mockup
regards
john jones
lots of AC's surpose schools out and lots of bord lawyers (-;
X get a card that has hardware acceleration is my advice that means one that has good support
(me I go for an S3 card every time as the old ones are well supported in XFree86 3.x)
realistaclly you want a window manger that is low on grapgics if you can get people to run TWM the better because that is rock solid and low bandwidth
(less XPM to shove across the pipe makes john a happy boy)
realistaclly this setup has been tried alot and works but really
how about storys about NIS and adding crypto into it
how about mergeing win2k and unix logins
lots of things I would like to know rather than beating the old TCO drum realistically who cares people go out and buy what they like in terms of cheapness whatever you want a bang for your buck then go down the tip and grab a machine put a free Word Processor on it and away you go
what really makes the differance is manageability why do you think everyone started going down the thin client route thats because its easy to manage and means less hassles and less hassles = cheaper
please stop trying to pull these stunts and try something out
regards
john jones
this depends on how resource hungry and Divice drivers are done
GUI has to be faily light weight and done in software only as hardware bliting is still a novelty
the link loader also would have to be tweaked for a differant arch (e.g. gnumach can not run on mips because of the linker and loader at presant (nor can apple darwin only ppc and intel))
keep in mind that in terms of microprocessors out there intel is very small
PPC sells more than intel and MIPS may be 10-20 times as much with ARM arch well ahead of these (do you have a cell phone ?)
my advice to kurt is target it generically and try and build it for MIPS ARM and PPC as well as intel and this will make it very easy to add any others that you want to
regards
john jones
why have you implemeted a custom GUI lib ?
as aposed to implemeting a backend for GTK/QT/X lib which would mean alot more GUI software
regards
john jones
doh ment armulet
I get so used to typeing armulator & that I put it everwhere
john
this has been done at manchester for a long time by the armulator led by the guy that helped create it
jez it all gets invented in manchester then the yanks claim they had it first
whats that you say ?
BABY
regards
john jones
he says in the letter
"- Fixes for some embedded targets that worked in GCC 2.95.3, but
not in GCC 3.0."
so I have to ask what targets ?
I hope its Mips and ARM targets (cover 90% of volume shipments so I guess its those)
and is ARM-standalone back or not ?
oh well anyone know anything ?
regards
john jones