I think the MacOS already has some halfway decent support for non-romaniform script systems, but...
Windows has perfict support for unicode, and a very good inputer for Chinese (I don't know enough about the other languages to say if they work well or not, I hope to learn japanese, then Maybe I could tell you:)
Not all the applications support unicode, but IE, Outlook, and word2k work fine (as does winamp, for some strange reason...). Windows NT uses unicode to the core, as well.
So, you can still have your $500 PC, and with a little trip to windowsupdate, all the unicode you could want. After that, pirate word2k, and your set:)
Uh, English is the official language of India. (Along with Hindi, IIRC) About 10% of the population can speak it. Official government business is done in English(I think), just as in the US.
Also, just about any language can be written in roman characters. Take Chinese for examplewo mei you wenti, ne kan ma?
The first Operating System to have good support for a non-romaniform language will be a big step in the history of computers,
Wow, you're way behind the times then, aren't you? From where I'm sitting windows supports non-romaniform languages perfectly well. Take Chinese for example: ÎÒ ÃÓÐ ÎÊÌâ, Äã Âí? If your running m13 (with the Chinese character set) you should be able to see that (IE5 supports unicode input, but not multiple character sets in one page mozilla does. But I don't know what slash is doing ether), maybe. I could also write in Japanese, Arabic, Korean, or anything else I felt like. I don't know where Linux is in this capability, but windows is already there.
People in India speak English just like people in America speak English. Its there official language. And just like Americans have some different words for some things, Indians probably have some different words from America.
That said, I don't think the word 'deadlock' is strictly in the domain of computer science. Therefore you are an idiot (a word common in all strains of English, btw)
The NSA's charter is top secret, there are few people in the contry who have enough clearance to even know what they do. They say they do sigint. This probably pretty close to the truth. But there is no 'offical' word at all.
IP phonecalls use less bandwidth then web browsing, and don't cost the univercity anything. They certanly use less bandwidth then a switched 64kbits/sec phone call. And the students are paying for phonecalls.
Ni shi nuren dui bu dui? You would have a husband, and you would then be his wife.
Will it become a one-man-authored code module like all others
I realize this might seem pedantic(stupid), but you should really say one-woman-authored, or one-person-authored if you want to stay gender neutral. Even the slightest mistakes sound weird to a native English speaker.
They aren't using very much bandwidth at all, As I said earlier, Dialpad works fine over a 33.6k modem. I don't know if these guys have Ethernet or not (A commenter from there mentioned that they had pretty fascist admins), but Where I went to school, one paid $7 a month for Ethernet service.
Dial pad is not 'accessing the university network' But rather, individuals on that network are accessing it. What you are saying is that any company that provides a free service supported by advertising are 'hijacking' the networks of people that pay to use them.
Maybe you didn't read the article, The university is blocking access to Dialpad to it's users When I go to netscape.com, or slashdot.org, the bandwidth of My ISP is being used by them. If you don't transfer information, you aren't going to have a very interesting network. Anyone with a brain can see that they are not doing this because they are overloaded with bandwidth, but because they are worried that they'll loose money on long distance phone companies.
winipcfg.exe is the answer to all your questions! Well, at least some of them. And I don't know if its for NT or not. It tells you the IP address, DNS servers, Gateways, everything. You could probably use nmap to look for boxes that can function as gateways, Its a linux/unix program, though.
I don't know if that will solve your problems though.
Unfortunately, private organizations do not need to grant you the same rights when using their services that the government does. So the constitution dos not apply here. One would think that a university would want to protect the constitutional rights of its students though; free speech is usually protected on campuses. I guess this particular university's commitment to individual freedoms ends at the business office though.
I think it uses Java, I'm not sure if it requires some ActiveX glue though. Just go to www.dialpad.com and check it out.
Oh, and by the way, it likes to mute the line when you stop talking, so sometimes the beginnings of words are cut off. I've found that's Its a good solution to run a midrange frequency softly in the background to keep the connection open at all times (2600hz works pretty well, ironically:)
Dialpad works on a 33.6k modem. I seriously doubt that a couple people making IP phone calls could be a serious threat to their bandwidth (They admit as much themselves).
I'm glad I'm not going to that collage:). But the more I think about it, the more it bothers me. They are censoring the Internet, there's no getting around that. Except this time, they aren't even bothering with the "its for the children" bullshit. They are doing it to prevent access to services that would compete with them. This collage is the only source of telecom for its students, and it's willing to block access to sites that would undermine it economically. What's next? Are they going to block access to Varsitybooks.com and bigwords.com so they can continue to gouge students at the University bookstore? Are they going to block access to other Collages websites so they don't have to worry about people jumping ship (perhaps to somewhere that doesn't bock IP address of its competitors)?
I think this really shows the inherent danger in companies getting to much control of the bandwidth. If this collage can cut people off from sites that compete with its overpriced services, what's to stop AOL/Time Warner from doing the same thing? Supposedly they've block the AOLwatch newsletter because it might have been 'Spam' If all they have to do is make up a bullshit technical excuse to cut access to something, we have a real problem.
I hope the students of this university do something to stop it, or that the administration realizes what they are doing is wrong.
Sorry, I didn't mean to insult you, if that's what I did, I was pretty tired last night, and not thinking clearly. As you'll notice I even made a mistake about what needed to be done.
My general complaint was that d.net, in its current state probably wouldn't be of much to NASA. I don't think there having that much trouble with CPU, and they don't need to get the signal processed before the next window.
I agree with you on the idea of distributed sharing of idle time, but I don't think this is would be a useful application of it. What I'd really like to see is the use of a d.net type thing for real scientific research that needs to be done. Such as global warming/weather pattern stuff, or genetic research. Of course, I don't know about the parallelablity of these things, but it would be IMO better for society at large then randomly scanning radio frequencies (at 8bit precision, no less... yeh you're really going to find faint signals that way, sure...). D.net will eventually find the key, and wind $10,000. But it certainly is a boring project. Oh well.
And I agree with you about the lawsuit stuff, its really getting old. What I'd (personally) like to see is more technical stories. It seems like all the news here is your basic 'lawsuit/merger/acquisition/bill in congress/bla/bla/bla'. I've always really valued the comments, but your not really giving us much to comment on. Oh well, that's just my opinion...
I think the rule was originally designed to prevent people from making proprietary 'add-ons' to open source software. If someone were to make a proprietary front-end to some OSS, there would be grounds for suit based on the GPL. However, if making an OSS front end for proprietary code goes against the GPL, who would sue you? Certainly not the makers of the proprietary software (unless they have restrictions on frontends as well). Obviously, you wouldn't be able to sue the makers of the proprietary software for the link. I don't think you would sue yourself, so that leaves... RMS? What grounds could he possibly have?
So, making your little thing wouldn't piss anyone off enough to sue, and they wouldn't have any grounds if they did.
Did you write your mail client? If you really felt the GPL wouldn't let you do it, you could have gone with the LGPL, or something similar
Well, I think there's a fundamental difference between math PhD's and the general populous. IIRC, there are only a few hundred math majors Created in the US each year. The majority of the ethnic Americans actually end up working for the NSA, witch many of us would consider the epitome of proprietary knowledge (about half the math majors are not native born).
Now, contrast this with something like computer sciences or Computer engineering. You have tens, if not hundreds of thousands of people entering this field every year, on many different levels, from your lowly MSCE tech, to your high paid distinguished engineer SUN. Anyone who works an MS for more then five years will be a millionaire.
Certainly, just as in mathematics, there will be people who love CS, and CE just as much as the math people love Math. And those people will become professors, just as those people with Math PhDs do. At the same time however, those people aren't going to be the ones coding the new backend for some server app, or the Document View for Word For Windows 2000. Yes, mathematics advances, but it is a very 'closed' field, only with years of training and understanding can you even begin to understand how its advancing, unlike CS, biotech, or other types of Engineering.
Taiwan has very weak IP control as well, at least as far as copyright (I'm not sure about patents), and we produce most of the PC hardware used in the world. I hardly think you argument holds up.
Also, there are a huge number of other factors that you'd need to consider as well. I don't know about GB/US vs France/Germany in the 1700s, But I think its pretty stupid to blame IP laws for the difference between N.Koria/S.Koria and E.German/W.Germany. Ever hear of totalitarian Communism? It hasn't been very good for any kind of economic advancement. It's the same with India and the PRC. I suspect that as the PRC moves more to a free market (with more special economic arias) their economic level will increase, regardless of what IP laws they chose to enforce.
Finally, what your talking about has more to do with copyrights then with patents. When you design some new technology, you don't copyright it, you patent it. Copyrights have nothing to do with technological advance in a non-information economy. As we move into a more digital world (where software is the technology), the situation may change. We'll have to see... Of course by then Open Source may have taken over, and the issue will be mute:)
Well, if you were writing the code yourself, you presumably could have used your own license, or simply claimed that The Java API was part of the 'operating system' of Java. I doubt RMS would have tried to sue you...
It looks like theres a spesific exseption to 'standard components of the OS'. I don't see why you can't just say that the Java API is standard though...
IIRC Blackdown wasn't using the GPL, and that's why sun was able to do what they did, (witch was pretty fucking lame, if you ask me). Rather then an example of the GPL's weakness, its a good example of why the GPL is a good thing. If the code were GPL, instead of the weak BSD license, Sun would still have been able to roll there own product, but it would have had to have been under GPL, otherwise sun would have been breaking the law.
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I think Linux will win out, not because of the language issue (which sure as hell helps),
Huh? what the hell crack are you smoking? Windows is way way ahead of us as far as language issues. Trust me.
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I think the MacOS already has some halfway decent support for non-romaniform script systems, but...
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Windows has perfict support for unicode, and a very good inputer for Chinese (I don't know enough about the other languages to say if they work well or not, I hope to learn japanese, then Maybe I could tell you
Not all the applications support unicode, but IE, Outlook, and word2k work fine (as does winamp, for some strange reason...). Windows NT uses unicode to the core, as well.
So, you can still have your $500 PC, and with a little trip to windowsupdate, all the unicode you could want. After that, pirate word2k, and your set
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Uh, English is the official language of India. (Along with Hindi, IIRC) About 10% of the population can speak it. Official government business is done in English(I think), just as in the US.
Also, just about any language can be written in roman characters. Take Chinese for examplewo mei you wenti, ne kan ma?
The first Operating System to have good support for a non-romaniform language will be a big step in the history of computers,
Wow, you're way behind the times then, aren't you? From where I'm sitting windows supports non-romaniform languages perfectly well. Take Chinese for example: ÎÒ ÃÓÐ ÎÊÌâ, Äã Âí? If your running m13 (with the Chinese character set) you should be able to see that (IE5 supports unicode input, but not multiple character sets in one page mozilla does. But I don't know what slash is doing ether), maybe. I could also write in Japanese, Arabic, Korean, or anything else I felt like. I don't know where Linux is in this capability, but windows is already there.
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People in India speak English just like people in America speak English. Its there official language. And just like Americans have some different words for some things, Indians probably have some different words from America.
That said, I don't think the word 'deadlock' is strictly in the domain of computer science. Therefore you are an idiot (a word common in all strains of English, btw)
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Actualy, in win3.1 the close widget was on the left hand side. In win9x/nt4+ it's on both sides.
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/me pats you on the head
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The NSA's charter is top secret, there are few people in the contry who have enough clearance to even know what they do. They say they do sigint. This probably pretty close to the truth. But there is no 'offical' word at all.
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IP phonecalls use less bandwidth then web browsing, and don't cost the univercity anything. They certanly use less bandwidth then a switched 64kbits/sec phone call. And the students are paying for phonecalls.
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(eg. Microsoft allegedly using its monopoly is OS'es to gain an advantage in web browsers)
Huh? microsoft was convicted, theres nothing alleged about it.
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I have no wife nor baby nor...
Ni shi nuren dui bu dui?
You would have a husband, and you would then be his wife.
Will it become a one-man-authored code module like all others
I realize this might seem pedantic(stupid), but you should really say one-woman-authored, or one-person-authored if you want to stay gender neutral. Even the slightest mistakes sound weird to a native English speaker.
Amber Yuan (--ell7)
They aren't using very much bandwidth at all, As I said earlier, Dialpad works fine over a 33.6k modem. I don't know if these guys have Ethernet or not (A commenter from there mentioned that they had pretty fascist admins), but Where I went to school, one paid $7 a month for Ethernet service.
Dial pad is not 'accessing the university network' But rather, individuals on that network are accessing it. What you are saying is that any company that provides a free service supported by advertising are 'hijacking' the networks of people that pay to use them.
Maybe you didn't read the article, The university is blocking access to Dialpad to it's users When I go to netscape.com, or slashdot.org, the bandwidth of My ISP is being used by them. If you don't transfer information, you aren't going to have a very interesting network. Anyone with a brain can see that they are not doing this because they are overloaded with bandwidth, but because they are worried that they'll loose money on long distance phone companies.
Amber Yuan (--ell7)
winipcfg.exe is the answer to all your questions! Well, at least some of them. And I don't know if its for NT or not. It tells you the IP address, DNS servers, Gateways, everything. You could probably use nmap to look for boxes that can function as gateways, Its a linux/unix program, though.
I don't know if that will solve your problems though.
Amber Yuan (--ell7)
Unfortunately, private organizations do not need to grant you the same rights when using their services that the government does. So the constitution dos not apply here. One would think that a university would want to protect the constitutional rights of its students though; free speech is usually protected on campuses. I guess this particular university's commitment to individual freedoms ends at the business office though.
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I think it uses Java, I'm not sure if it requires some ActiveX glue though. Just go to www.dialpad.com and check it out.
:)
Oh, and by the way, it likes to mute the line when you stop talking, so sometimes the beginnings of words are cut off. I've found that's Its a good solution to run a midrange frequency softly in the background to keep the connection open at all times (2600hz works pretty well, ironically
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Dialpad works on a 33.6k modem. I seriously doubt that a couple people making IP phone calls could be a serious threat to their bandwidth (They admit as much themselves).
:). But the more I think about it, the more it bothers me. They are censoring the Internet, there's no getting around that. Except this time, they aren't even bothering with the "its for the children" bullshit. They are doing it to prevent access to services that would compete with them. This collage is the only source of telecom for its students, and it's willing to block access to sites that would undermine it economically. What's next? Are they going to block access to Varsitybooks.com and bigwords.com so they can continue to gouge students at the University bookstore? Are they going to block access to other Collages websites so they don't have to worry about people jumping ship (perhaps to somewhere that doesn't bock IP address of its competitors)?
I'm glad I'm not going to that collage
I think this really shows the inherent danger in companies getting to much control of the bandwidth. If this collage can cut people off from sites that compete with its overpriced services, what's to stop AOL/Time Warner from doing the same thing? Supposedly they've block the AOLwatch newsletter because it might have been 'Spam' If all they have to do is make up a bullshit technical excuse to cut access to something, we have a real problem.
I hope the students of this university do something to stop it, or that the administration realizes what they are doing is wrong.
Amber Yuan (--ell7)
but for the most part, crashing Mac's are generally a sign that people simply are operating them under different groups of assumptions.
You mean like, that there not going to crash? Or that you can run 5 or 6 apps at once?
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Sorry, I didn't mean to insult you, if that's what I did, I was pretty tired last night, and not thinking clearly. As you'll notice I even made a mistake about what needed to be done.
My general complaint was that d.net, in its current state probably wouldn't be of much to NASA. I don't think there having that much trouble with CPU, and they don't need to get the signal processed before the next window.
I agree with you on the idea of distributed sharing of idle time, but I don't think this is would be a useful application of it. What I'd really like to see is the use of a d.net type thing for real scientific research that needs to be done. Such as global warming/weather pattern stuff, or genetic research. Of course, I don't know about the parallelablity of these things, but it would be IMO better for society at large then randomly scanning radio frequencies (at 8bit precision, no less... yeh you're really going to find faint signals that way, sure...). D.net will eventually find the key, and wind $10,000. But it certainly is a boring project. Oh well.
And I agree with you about the lawsuit stuff, its really getting old. What I'd (personally) like to see is more technical stories. It seems like all the news here is your basic 'lawsuit/merger/acquisition/bill in congress/bla/bla/bla'. I've always really valued the comments, but your not really giving us much to comment on. Oh well, that's just my opinion...
Amber Yuan (--ell7)
really? does the value of 24/3 change the value of 24 - 3?
Anyway, they could still just buy a few more computer, I still think it would be easier then geting a new d.net client writen.
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I think the rule was originally designed to prevent people from making proprietary 'add-ons' to open source software. If someone were to make a proprietary front-end to some OSS, there would be grounds for suit based on the GPL. However, if making an OSS front end for proprietary code goes against the GPL, who would sue you? Certainly not the makers of the proprietary software (unless they have restrictions on frontends as well). Obviously, you wouldn't be able to sue the makers of the proprietary software for the link. I don't think you would sue yourself, so that leaves... RMS? What grounds could he possibly have?
So, making your little thing wouldn't piss anyone off enough to sue, and they wouldn't have any grounds if they did.
Did you write your mail client? If you really felt the GPL wouldn't let you do it, you could have gone with the LGPL, or something similar
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Well, I think there's a fundamental difference between math PhD's and the general populous. IIRC, there are only a few hundred math majors Created in the US each year. The majority of the ethnic Americans actually end up working for the NSA, witch many of us would consider the epitome of proprietary knowledge (about half the math majors are not native born).
Now, contrast this with something like computer sciences or Computer engineering. You have tens, if not hundreds of thousands of people entering this field every year, on many different levels, from your lowly MSCE tech, to your high paid distinguished engineer SUN. Anyone who works an MS for more then five years will be a millionaire.
Certainly, just as in mathematics, there will be people who love CS, and CE just as much as the math people love Math. And those people will become professors, just as those people with Math PhDs do. At the same time however, those people aren't going to be the ones coding the new backend for some server app, or the Document View for Word For Windows 2000. Yes, mathematics advances, but it is a very 'closed' field, only with years of training and understanding can you even begin to understand how its advancing, unlike CS, biotech, or other types of Engineering.
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Taiwan has very weak IP control as well, at least as far as copyright (I'm not sure about patents), and we produce most of the PC hardware used in the world. I hardly think you argument holds up.
:)
Also, there are a huge number of other factors that you'd need to consider as well. I don't know about GB/US vs France/Germany in the 1700s, But I think its pretty stupid to blame IP laws for the difference between N.Koria/S.Koria and E.German/W.Germany. Ever hear of totalitarian Communism? It hasn't been very good for any kind of economic advancement. It's the same with India and the PRC. I suspect that as the PRC moves more to a free market (with more special economic arias) their economic level will increase, regardless of what IP laws they chose to enforce.
Finally, what your talking about has more to do with copyrights then with patents. When you design some new technology, you don't copyright it, you patent it. Copyrights have nothing to do with technological advance in a non-information economy. As we move into a more digital world (where software is the technology), the situation may change. We'll have to see... Of course by then Open Source may have taken over, and the issue will be mute
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Well, if you were writing the code yourself, you presumably could have used your own license, or simply claimed that The Java API was part of the 'operating system' of Java. I doubt RMS would have tried to sue you...
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It looks like theres a spesific exseption to 'standard components of the OS'. I don't see why you can't just say that the Java API is standard though...
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I guess they were using the SCSL, in witch case... what the hell were they exspecting?
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IIRC Blackdown wasn't using the GPL, and that's why sun was able to do what they did, (witch was pretty fucking lame, if you ask me). Rather then an example of the GPL's weakness, its a good example of why the GPL is a good thing. If the code were GPL, instead of the weak BSD license, Sun would still have been able to roll there own product, but it would have had to have been under GPL, otherwise sun would have been breaking the law.
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