ok the bit the worries me is that you can get computational problems on very random occasions that wont cause a crash at all.
For games, this is not a big deal. But it would make me nervous thinking that any spreadsheet I used or any calculations done by software I rely on, could be incorrect without me ever picking up on it.
It really comes down to how critical/crucial your desktop use is.
the study didn't mention anything about whether these games (or indeed any brain activity on a regular basis) succeed in holding off conditions such as Alzheimer's or dementia.
I've always believed in the "use it or lose it" principle. This article doesn't even touch on that...
I think it has more to do with self-defense on Gizmodo's part. If they can name the offender then it clears their guilt, supposedly. There were rumours around how they got the device (not everyone believed their story) so this should put an end to those.
I still remain suspicious about the whole thing. The net result is that Apple wins...so whether it is intentional or not, its fantastic marketing for Apple.
The OP mentioned nothing about system criticality -- just implied that running a processor beyond the manufacturer's factory spec was a completely absurd idea. Like it doesn't happen all the time.
Close. The OP implied that running a processor to a spec that the manufacturer has specifically indicated is flawed, is an absurd idea.
no ones saying its broken, they're saying that you have no reliable way of telling if it is or not. The fact that it has worked for 8 months may be purely lucky, or it may well be fully working. You had no way of knowing that 8 months ago, and not everyone wants to risk losing all of their data by testing a cpu this way (essentially, trial and error).
Not only that, read the other comments regarding the cache being potentially faulty. Your 4 cores may be working, but are you getting the full benefit? It seems that your methods for testing it involved running it in your live environment. That wouldn't be acceptable for many users.
Most of the time the 2 or 3 core Phenoms are the ones where 1 or 2 cores failed in tests. The manufacturer can still sell them with those cores disabled and therefore makes a profit on something they otherwise would have to throw away.
On the other hand, if the locked cores were ok, why would AMD not sell them at the full quad-core price? doesn't make sense to do more work and make less profit when its not necessary.
The only other thing to consider is that they have a product that needs to meet sales volumes, and there may not be enough duds to satisfy that volume, so there may well be legitimate quad core cpus sold as 2 or 3 core ones. Even so, who wants to take the risk to unlock them and find out if they passed in testing or not. Is there any test software available that can tell you if your cpu is all ok or not?
I agree with your reasoning, but I'd suggest Apple will never "fall behind" (not in the near future). Apple dont compete in the same space. Many may argue this, but Apple's market is a niche market. They make computers, but only for a specific type of person. Most of their other hardware fits into the appliance category. They make appliances that do specific things well.
I believe Android sales will overtake iPhone/iPad sales, due to much larger corporate backing. However the iPhone will remain popular among people who want its specific abilities.
as long as you know and understand what the code is doing, I say go for it.
However, when you're learning how to code, the rules are different. In this environment, you need to be able to prove to your tutors that you know and understand the subject material, and if they allow copying, then they have no way of knowing if you understand it at all. People could graduate without the proper skills and knowledge and then the effectiveness of the course and the university would be called into question.
I dont believe university is there to teach you real life skills. They teach you the skills, and it is you who needs to apply them to real life.
the results were manually examined afterwards which I would suggest to mean that for something so simply, no you would not be flagged as a cheater.
For CS assignments you are always required to put comments in your code. If you comments are also word for word, this would indicate copying. Again, for something extremely simple, who cares if you cheated or not?
But for code that is tens if not hundreds of lines long, I'd say it'd be pretty easy to see if someone has copied it.
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ok the bit the worries me is that you can get computational problems on very random occasions that wont cause a crash at all.
For games, this is not a big deal. But it would make me nervous thinking that any spreadsheet I used or any calculations done by software I rely on, could be incorrect without me ever picking up on it.
It really comes down to how critical/crucial your desktop use is.
the study didn't mention anything about whether these games (or indeed any brain activity on a regular basis) succeed in holding off conditions such as Alzheimer's or dementia.
I've always believed in the "use it or lose it" principle. This article doesn't even touch on that...
Look at the internet. Should google remove the "worthless" sites?
If you cant find quality information on the internet, is it because the internet is full of junk, or is it the search algorithms, or is it you?
Simply culling stuff you dont agree with is not the answer in my opinion. What they need is better search/ratings functionality.
Is Apple supposed to make it easy for you to do anything you want with the device?
in short, yes. That's what real computers do. Why should I be happy with less just because its Apple?
defensive much? the OP got modded "funny", not "insightful".
You, although providing an insightful post yourself, apparently didn't see the funny side.
This is gold. I love it!
I think it has more to do with self-defense on Gizmodo's part. If they can name the offender then it clears their guilt, supposedly. There were rumours around how they got the device (not everyone believed their story) so this should put an end to those.
I still remain suspicious about the whole thing. The net result is that Apple wins...so whether it is intentional or not, its fantastic marketing for Apple.
The OP mentioned nothing about system criticality -- just implied that running a processor beyond the manufacturer's factory spec was a completely absurd idea. Like it doesn't happen all the time.
Close. The OP implied that running a processor to a spec that the manufacturer has specifically indicated is flawed, is an absurd idea.
no ones saying its broken, they're saying that you have no reliable way of telling if it is or not. The fact that it has worked for 8 months may be purely lucky, or it may well be fully working. You had no way of knowing that 8 months ago, and not everyone wants to risk losing all of their data by testing a cpu this way (essentially, trial and error).
Not only that, read the other comments regarding the cache being potentially faulty. Your 4 cores may be working, but are you getting the full benefit? It seems that your methods for testing it involved running it in your live environment. That wouldn't be acceptable for many users.
I agree.
Most of the time the 2 or 3 core Phenoms are the ones where 1 or 2 cores failed in tests. The manufacturer can still sell them with those cores disabled and therefore makes a profit on something they otherwise would have to throw away.
On the other hand, if the locked cores were ok, why would AMD not sell them at the full quad-core price? doesn't make sense to do more work and make less profit when its not necessary.
The only other thing to consider is that they have a product that needs to meet sales volumes, and there may not be enough duds to satisfy that volume, so there may well be legitimate quad core cpus sold as 2 or 3 core ones. Even so, who wants to take the risk to unlock them and find out if they passed in testing or not. Is there any test software available that can tell you if your cpu is all ok or not?
but you can build better cars with lego
martin? is that you?
better to sit on it for a while so the photocopier memory has time to clear...
they dont need to run the whole internet. Its Bing, not Google.
(hint: joke)
I stand corrected. cheers.
I see what you're saying but I'm not sure how google is therefore responsible?
Maybe they need to update their blacklists? or possibly enforce better security policies?
Surely this kind of attack is equally applicable to any company...unless I'm missing something.
In response to your last point, I find that the more I know about computers, the more I realise there is to know...
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I agree with your reasoning, but I'd suggest Apple will never "fall behind" (not in the near future). Apple dont compete in the same space. Many may argue this, but Apple's market is a niche market. They make computers, but only for a specific type of person. Most of their other hardware fits into the appliance category. They make appliances that do specific things well.
I believe Android sales will overtake iPhone/iPad sales, due to much larger corporate backing. However the iPhone will remain popular among people who want its specific abilities.
That makes everything black and white...
Thats fine as long as no one looks at you at a 45 degree angle...
as long as you know and understand what the code is doing, I say go for it.
However, when you're learning how to code, the rules are different. In this environment, you need to be able to prove to your tutors that you know and understand the subject material, and if they allow copying, then they have no way of knowing if you understand it at all. People could graduate without the proper skills and knowledge and then the effectiveness of the course and the university would be called into question.
I dont believe university is there to teach you real life skills. They teach you the skills, and it is you who needs to apply them to real life.
depends, if you did copy and paste from the parent post (with the same content), then you're a cheater.
If you typed that out by hand when you could've easily used copy and paste, you're an idiot. :P
in many cases it is better to use "less than or equal to 10", or more specifically, to use 10.0 - where you are dealing with floating point numbers.
This is even more important when using dynamically typed languages such as python or perl.
the results were manually examined afterwards which I would suggest to mean that for something so simply, no you would not be flagged as a cheater.
For CS assignments you are always required to put comments in your code. If you comments are also word for word, this would indicate copying. Again, for something extremely simple, who cares if you cheated or not?
But for code that is tens if not hundreds of lines long, I'd say it'd be pretty easy to see if someone has copied it.