If they are entitled to license fees for each and every plant grown with the gene in it, they should be responsible for scooping up all the resulting shit resulting from people/animals eating food containing their canola.
The officer, who was supposedly investigating a domestic violence call, NEVER tried to determine if there had been any violence. He never once made any attempt to see if the girl in the truck was OK, the first thing you would think he should do if she were the potential "victim". He never once indicated what the "report" was. "ahm kunducktin a investugashun" No, instead he decided to let his ego get in the way and tries to bully him into complying with the whole "Show me your ID" spiel. The officer never gave the man any justification other than "Kuz ah sed so" And then the girl is arrested for resisting arrest???? I've never understood that logic, isn't resisting arrest a supplementary charge, i.e. you actually have to be in the process of being arrested for something else first??? The point is, the officer(s) chose to escalate a harmless situation rather than use diplomacy. A citizen has the *right* to question the directives of a law enforcement officer, and the officer should address the citizens concerns, unless for some reason they perceive a threat. I saw no evidence of a threat. If the officer can give a reasonable justification for the request then the citizen should comply. "Kuz ah sed so!" just isn't enough by itself.
I don't think most anyone here beleives that Open Source developers are involved, but you can be sure that SCO will try to spin it to look like they are.
This is a dog and pony show. SCO wants to win this in the media, so its all about the ratings . . . Subpoenaing a well know figure like Linus makes for a much better headline than sending a subpoena for a data repository.
For the most part, I tend to agree with you. But what you say is "all" they want to do with computers is really what I see as _most_ of what they want to do. The majority of the people I deal with want to be able to track their finances on their computer, applications like gnucash, moneydance, and the like really can't even compare to Quicken. DISCLAIMER: I use gnucash to keep track of my finances, exclusively. They want to be able to use their computers to do their taxes, keep track of their family trees, make greeting cards, they want to install educational software for their children, they want to be able to hook up their digital camera and make t-shirts using the nifty kit they bought at Walmart, and they want to install games, just to scratch the surface.
You are right Linux is ready for the subset of users you defined, my wife happens to be one, which makes my life easy since I migrated all our computers to Linux over two years ago. But for the complete set of users, I am still skeptical[see my reply to ethereal above].
I want nothing more than to see applications on the shelves of Walmart, Best Buy, CompUSA, etc. that are ready to install and run on Linux. In my opinion, once there is a system that enables this across the major distributions Linux will truly be ready for the desktop. Again, this is only my opinion, but this, besides sheer demand for Linux ports of commercial apps, is the next big stumbling block that needs to be removed to get commercial software vendors to port their applications. I know that there are those out there that believe that we should just develop free alternatives to these applications. I am probably about to get flamed here, but there is too much ground to be covered. The big players are too far ahead with their applications, I will take Quicken versus Gnucash again. I have tracked gnucash for quite some time and have been using it for over a year. It still doesn't have features that Quicken had back in 1995, like auto advancement of check numbers, and financial categories for transactions so you can track your spending.
Don't get me wrong, I applaud your enthusiasm. I want more than anything in the world to be able to say emphatically that Linux is ready for the desktop, I have wanted this for the last five years. I still say that it is almost ready.
I guess I have been using Linux too long then. I still use the console rpm command, which I am comfortable with. I just wouldn't push that off on a newbie. As far as uninstallation goes, the command line gives you all the dependancies you would be breaking, but gnorpm (The ONLY graphical tool for rpms I have even looked at) just told me that there were dependancies that would break if the package were removed, but never told me specifics. This was a while back, long enough that I can't really remember when, so the situation may be different now. Any suggestions on other rpm front ends? I know kde has one, but what about others?
Now as far as one click installation, I agree this is easy. But what I remember of gnorpm it hides it gets buried in the application tree so that if you decide to remove it you have to know right where it is or spend quite a bit of time finding it, OR you could rpm -e [package_name] from a console. I have found the latter to be easier for me, but not a really good solution for my wife or my mom.
I am going over to freshmeat to check out the available front ends to educate myself, but if you have any suggestions feel free to fire them my way. I really want to be better informed as I help others make the move.
As a manager of mine used to say, "I don't disagree with you." I definitely agree, Linux is a song to install these days. But ease of installation doesn't make an OS ready for the desktop, that is _one_ ingredient, and in my opinion a lesser ingredient. We need a system that enables easy installation/removal of applications, ala Install Shield. The desktop environments are essentially ready. I am not familiar with suse's package manager, but I assume it isn't much better than RPM. The only package management system I have heard good reviews of is the Debian package manager. I know for a fact that, though I use Red Hat and Mandrake almost exclusively, I would not hand over the task of installing software to my wife, or my mother.
I think the debates here have spent too much time looking at ease of installation(which is a big deal in systems that go south fairly often requiring re-installation), and what each desktop environment needs to be more user friendly. Those arguments have been addressed, and the new question is, "How do we make application management easier?"
I try to convert people all the time, and installation is rarely a problem. The people I bother always pick a favorite desktop/window manager combination. But when they have to add/remove applications the learning curve gets real steep.
But back to your post, I think Linux is _almost_ ready for the desktop.
All this does is load an empty document, you still have the "Desktop" environment loaded into memory. And you still have to look at that hideous start button. The %f doesn't work, at least in *nix. If you are having trouble try: /home/USER_NAME/Office51/bin/soffice private:factory/scalc
Care to share the path to the "TRANSCRIPT"????
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I looked on their site, and all I found was a *SUMMARY* of the days events in court. *NOT* the entire court transcript. A summary is easy to bend to your cause.
I don't have time to dig too deeply so if you can could you share the URL of the *ENTIRE* *OFFICIAL* *TRANSCRIPT*. Otherwise I assume you thought that daily summary was the real deal, and you will have my pity.
One small problem though, there is a big difference between fluffy hype and being truly excited. Rob's point was that Linux is moving into the main stream, and that Linus would give A keynote, not THE keynote.
I still think your first message was a bit strong, give the guy a break.
I think they meant tools to convert, not run. WordPerfect 8.0 runs on Linux without wine. I am sure they mean that Corel has tools they developed during WordPerfect's "porting", if they realy are going to release something like that we ARE in for a big year.
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If they are entitled to license fees for each and every plant grown with the gene in it, they should be responsible for scooping up all the resulting shit resulting from people/animals eating food containing their canola.
The officer, who was supposedly investigating a domestic violence call, NEVER tried to determine if there had been any violence. He never once made any attempt to see if the girl in the truck was OK, the first thing you would think he should do if she were the potential "victim". He never once indicated what the "report" was. "ahm kunducktin a investugashun"
No, instead he decided to let his ego get in the way and tries to bully him into complying with the whole "Show me your ID" spiel. The officer never gave the man any justification other than "Kuz ah sed so"
And then the girl is arrested for resisting arrest???? I've never understood that logic, isn't resisting arrest a supplementary charge, i.e. you actually have to be in the process of being arrested for something else first???
The point is, the officer(s) chose to escalate a harmless situation rather than use diplomacy. A citizen has the *right* to question the directives of a law enforcement officer, and the officer should address the citizens concerns, unless for some reason they perceive a threat. I saw no evidence of a threat. If the officer can give a reasonable justification for the request then the citizen should comply. "Kuz ah sed so!" just isn't enough by itself.
that "Google Eyes" would b in the title of a serious discussion.
Go figure.
I don't think most anyone here beleives that Open Source developers are involved, but you can be sure that SCO will try to spin it to look like they are.
This is exactly the question I would like to ask.
This is a dog and pony show. SCO wants to win this in the media, so its all about the ratings . . . Subpoenaing a well know figure like Linus makes for a much better headline than sending a subpoena for a data repository.
Holy shit! Does this mean that RedHat will be suing the world in 2007 under some other company name?
Hell, at least lindows has been making an effort to bring Linux to the home user.
Track 'em down and charge them the same way you would charge anybody who publicly displayed lude material.
Visually it is kinda like the episode of the Muppets where Kermit Jumps headlong into a bar
fight and bounces all around.
For the most part, I tend to agree with you. But what you say is "all" they want to do with computers is really what I see as _most_ of what they want to do. The majority of the people I deal with want to be able to track their finances on their computer, applications like gnucash, moneydance, and the like really can't even compare to Quicken. DISCLAIMER: I use gnucash to keep track of my finances, exclusively. They want to be able to use their computers to do their taxes, keep track of their family trees, make greeting cards, they want to install educational software for their children, they want to be able to hook up their digital camera and make t-shirts using the nifty kit they bought at Walmart, and they want to install games, just to scratch the surface.
You are right Linux is ready for the subset of users you defined, my wife happens to be one, which makes my life easy since I migrated all our computers to Linux over two years ago. But for the complete set of users, I am still skeptical[see my reply to ethereal above].
I want nothing more than to see applications on the shelves of Walmart, Best Buy, CompUSA, etc. that are ready to install and run on Linux. In my opinion, once there is a system that enables this across the major distributions Linux will truly be ready for the desktop. Again, this is only my opinion, but this, besides sheer demand for Linux ports of commercial apps, is the next big stumbling block that needs to be removed to get commercial software vendors to port their applications. I know that there are those out there that believe that we should just develop free alternatives to these applications. I am probably about to get flamed here, but there is too much ground to be covered. The big players are too far ahead with their applications, I will take Quicken versus Gnucash again. I have tracked gnucash for quite some time and have been using it for over a year. It still doesn't have features that Quicken had back in 1995, like auto advancement of check numbers, and financial categories for transactions so you can track your spending.
Don't get me wrong, I applaud your enthusiasm. I want more than anything in the world to be able to say emphatically that Linux is ready for the desktop, I have wanted this for the last five years. I still say that it is almost ready.
I guess I have been using Linux too long then. I still use the console rpm command, which I am comfortable with. I just wouldn't push that off on a newbie. As far as uninstallation goes, the command line gives you all the dependancies you would be breaking, but gnorpm (The ONLY graphical tool for rpms I have even looked at) just told me that there were dependancies that would break if the package were removed, but never told me specifics. This was a while back, long enough that I can't really remember when, so the situation may be different now. Any suggestions on other rpm front ends? I know kde has one, but what about others?
Now as far as one click installation, I agree this is easy. But what I remember of gnorpm it hides it gets buried in the application tree so that if you decide to remove it you have to know right where it is or spend quite a bit of time finding it, OR you could rpm -e [package_name] from a console. I have found the latter to be easier for me, but not a really good solution for my wife or my mom.
I am going over to freshmeat to check out the available front ends to educate myself, but if you have any suggestions feel free to fire them my way. I really want to be better informed as I help others make the move.
As a manager of mine used to say, "I don't disagree with you." I definitely agree, Linux is a song to install these days. But ease of installation doesn't make an OS ready for the desktop, that is _one_ ingredient, and in my opinion a lesser ingredient. We need a system that enables easy installation/removal of applications, ala Install Shield. The desktop environments are essentially ready. I am not familiar with suse's package manager, but I assume it isn't much better than RPM. The only package management system I have heard good reviews of is the Debian package manager. I know for a fact that, though I use Red Hat and Mandrake almost exclusively, I would not hand over the task of installing software to my wife, or my mother.
I think the debates here have spent too much time looking at ease of installation(which is a big deal in systems that go south fairly often requiring re-installation), and what each desktop environment needs to be more user friendly. Those arguments have been addressed, and the new question is, "How do we make application management easier?"
I try to convert people all the time, and installation is rarely a problem. The people I bother always pick a favorite desktop/window manager combination. But when they have to add/remove applications the learning curve gets real steep.
But back to your post, I think Linux is _almost_ ready for the desktop.
They've forgotten how to create quality software because they don't need to.
MMMM, I don't think they ever really knew how to create quality anything in the first place. They have just known how to market it.
All this does is load an empty document, you still
have the "Desktop" environment loaded into memory.
And you still have to look at that hideous start
button. The %f doesn't work, at least in *nix.
If you are having trouble try:
/home/USER_NAME/Office51/bin/soffice private:factory/scalc
Oh well. Thanks anyhooo
Why should the Europeans have all the fun? I say
we have our own!
I can't get my mother to quit using vi . . .
Yup.
>>It's just a capable OS that's seen it's last >>major release.
Mmmmm, seems like I heard that one back in '95.
Don't keep us in toooo much suspense.
???
I looked on their site, and all I found was
a *SUMMARY* of the days events in court. *NOT*
the entire court transcript. A summary is easy
to bend to your cause.
I don't have time to dig too deeply so if you
can could you share the URL of the *ENTIRE*
*OFFICIAL* *TRANSCRIPT*. Otherwise I assume you
thought that daily summary was the real deal, and
you will have my pity.
I got your point LOUD -n- KLEER.
One small problem though, there is a big
difference between fluffy hype and being
truly excited. Rob's point was that Linux
is moving into the main stream, and that
Linus would give A keynote, not THE keynote.
I still think your first message was a bit
strong, give the guy a break.
Go see Gates give his dog -n- pony. I'll
be at the Linux Global Summit.
I don't think Bill would be near as offended as
you were.
Lighten up.
I think they meant tools to convert, not run.
WordPerfect 8.0 runs on Linux without wine. I
am sure they mean that Corel has tools they
developed during WordPerfect's "porting", if
they realy are going to release something like
that we ARE in for a big year.