Thanks for pointing out facts to the previous troll. Normally it's not good to respond to trolls, but the lies in many of these trolls are believed by many Russians, and need to be dis-spelled. It's a hold-over from the Communist era, when that was all that was taught in their schools.
I'm quite aware of all the suffering in Ukraine's history. Some of my family is counted in the death toll of the Soviet regime. My previous post was merely to illustrate to people how dire the present economic situation is in Ukraine. Going into detail about the abuses Ukraine has recieved from foreign powers is a good topic for a book, not a short post regarding economic situation.
However, in the decade before the collapse, the average Ukrainian population was far closer in standard of life to the US than it is now, human rights excepted.
I urge anyone reading this, to do a web search, or pick up a history of 20th century Ukraine. (Preferably not printed in Moscow.) Ukraine is an economic and social basket case, and in dire need of assistance, yet, the people are intelligent, hard working, cultured Europeans who just want see the fruits of working hard their entire lives. They freely gave up their nuclear weapons, because they want to live in peace with the world. They deserve the USA's respect, friendship, and any reasonable help to get on track. These sanctions are nuts.
Ukraine is the big loser of the cold war. Economy ground into the dirt, far beyond. Ukraine used to be close to the same standard of living as the USA, so this is actually a good way of imagining things...
So imagine this happened to the USA... Prices of everything go up ten times. But wages stay the same. Imagine this lasting for 10 years. Honestly, imagine how the USA would look. Educated, intelligent, hardworking and motivated people forced onto the streets, to beg and steal just to eat. The entire world collectively indifferent. And now... this? I'm sorry, but in my judgement, taking away even the joy and escape of music from such a hurting people, is evil.
In my opinion, the RIAA and the US Government should do the exact opposite. Impose on Ukraine, and all other impoverished nations, a moratorium on copyright inringement enforcement. When the economies recuperate, and approach decent western levels of development, where Windows 2k doesn't cost half a year's salary, then impose those restrictions.
To the USA, there are no people, no humans, and no human rights. There are only consumers. I am a firm believer in democracy and capitalism, but this has gone too far.
That website doesn't provide every bank that does or does not exchange money. Second, *EVERY* bank should exchange major currencies. Period. Thats not arrogance, thats just demanding a minimum level of service. Too bad most banks in the USA are so far below proper levels of service. Even backwoods of third world countries have you beat.
I was very polite, though I did act surprised, I supposed. What bugged me was the fact that I was informed that there was no place to convert money. This was confirmed by the people whom I was travelling, who were Canadians that have been residents in the US for a few years already, and have long been aware of this problem. They said that about the only places that might be able to do this are places in the international airports, and thats about it.
Strange, I always thought banks wanted my business. Especially since currency exchange is such a ridiculously simple matter. So simple, in fact, that the only reason I can imagine that banks don't do it, is arrogance. Anything foregin just seems to be out of an American's field of vision.
I've travelled the world, and I can tell you that you are comepletely mistaken. Canada is a good example of another place where the locals extend their cultural practices to embrace foreigners. So is Ukraine. You would be surprised how much English, German and French there is in countries whose natives don't speak ANY of those languages. Most countries of the European Union have a high degree of respect for their neighbors. There are exceptions of course, but I have found that mutual awareness and respect to be the rule.
In my travels, though Americans have a fair amount of respect for people as individuals, mentioning that you're from another country generally draws a blank stare, or a silly stereotype. I suppose thats a product of their main education system... (Television.)
I like Americans... I really do! Everyone needs change and growth, and this is where Americans need it the most, in my opinion... Education, awareness, and respect. If I drive one American reading this forum to any degree of introspection, then I feel I have succeeded.:-)
For reasons of brevity, I didn't quote exact reasons. Since you seem to want these reasons, here is one. I can provide more at your request.
I went to a major shopping centre in Pennsylvania. I had spent all my US dollars, and I needed to change some of my foreign currency, so I went to a bank, it seemed to be a quite large and busy branch, the full service variety. I believe it was a US National Bank, or some other major sounding name. The teller told me that they were unable to exchange my Canadian dollars, and no other banks in the state that she knew of were able to exchange foreign currency.
Now, I'm fairly well travelled in the world, and I've found that any bank, anywhere, can take foreign currency and change it for local, at a fairly reasonable rate of exchange. Even small banks in the backwoods of Ukraine! (Yes I have been there, so I know what I'm talking about.) Only in America, is the arrogance of the people so complete, that the tellers don't even understand how to exchange foreign money in ANY bank, other than the few situated in border towns. And they really don't care either, because it's "Foregn currency."
After being so thouroughly insulted at the bank, and stunned by the arrogance of Americans, I thought to myself "If these folks keep this up, one day they're going to push things too far, and get a punch in their collective noses by some crazy foreginers with nothing to lose..."
I can provide more examples at request, I've got many. I really like you Americans, I do, I hope one day you do a bit of soul searching and learn to get along with everyone else a bit better.
You either agree that America deserved to have 3,000+ of its citizens and guests from 80 different countries killed by spoiled, rich, Islamic perverting brats or America's right to defend its right to existence by extreme, calculated violence."
People like you, and those "Islamic perverting brats" deserve each other. You're two sides of the same coin. Those dumb "brats" don't understand that it was the actions of their own people that got you to come down hard on them in the first place. And you, you don't understand that it was the actions of your own people, that got these guys to hate you in the first place.
It's the same damn thing. They forget history, and so do you, so you continue to repeat the cycle.
It's damn sad that 3000+ people died in NY. And it's also damn sad that 30,000+ died in Afghanistan. Neither side wants to look far enough back into history to realize that they have been contributing to this cycle.
I agree with the above poster... American people, in general, are very nice and pleasant. If you meet one on the street, more often than not, they'll be nice to you. If they are at fault, its because the only thing evil needs to prevail is for the good to do nothing. It's their government runs on a system very similar to capitalism, where "forces" shape policy, much like the invisible hand, instead of great leaders. The desision to slap tariffs on Ukraine was caused not by any amount of good leadership, but rather, this happened because of the "force" of capitalism pushing behind the scenes, without leadership to temper it.
I can say "Ohwell, you guys picked your own poor leaders.", but we all know it was market forces who stacked the deck with bad leaders to begin with. I'm beginning to sound like a communist, with all this complaining about capitalism, but I'm not. I love it, it works great when the system is well tuned. I think the USA needs far more checks and balances than it currently has.
I thought about it, and you're right, it's not the best analogy. So here's my best stab at a better analogy.
Tough kid randomly insults other kids at school. The normal kids get irritated, but they do nothing. Chances are, he's going to be hit by the crazy, mean, and somewhat psychotic kid that nobody cares about. Ugly fight ensues.
All the "normal" kids will quietly note that both got what they deserved, and hope that the loud obnoxious tough kid will treat people a bit more politely. They'll also be glad that the crazy kid got expelled for starting a fight.
The moral: If you randomly insult people, chances are, the crazies will be the first to punch you in the nose. The fact that they are crazy and in the wrong doesn't vindicate your rude actions.
I just travelled to the USA. I saw first hand a huge amount of blind ignorance and arrogance when it comes to anything beyond your borders. Sad thing is, is that these nice Americans didn't even realize how offensive they are being. I thought to myself "One of these days, they're going to upset some foreign country so bad, that the USA will get a collective punch in the nose right back."
Whups, that already happened... Very sad, and not excusable. If a kid insults enough jocks at school, he's gonna get beat up. Sad, unexcusable, but there definately are preventative measures that could be taken.
I hope you learn the correct lessons. Being the toughest kid on the block shouldn't mean it's ok to thoughtlessly offend anyone you care to. Americans do this far more than they understand. It's time to re-learn the age old skill of diplomacy, understanding, and consideration of others.
Sadly enough, it is. When I travelled there, it was quite easy to buy a warez copy of Win2K, Office, Autocad, or 3D Studio at a kiosk in any bazaar, for about $5 US a pop.
But consider that the average wage there is is about $40 US a month. The people of Ukraine can either copy software without permission, in the hopes of keeping the country current enough to get them out of their economic mess, or they can give up on software altogether, because competing with the USA for prices would mean nobody would own software.
This is not an issue of law, as Ukraine is soverign, it can pass whatever law it wants. This is a question of morals, ethics, and practicality. Will USA copyright holders make more sales in Ukraine if these laws were passed? I don't think so, because Ukrainians can't afford those prices. I say the US should turn a blind eye, and give Ukraine a chance to catch up economically, so that in the future they can afford the full price of commercial software.
I raised this issue with my clients. They considered it an unlikely enough occurence that they aren't worried. Further, they already keep archived copies of all projects on zip disks, in a an off-site storage area anyhow. This removable hard drive backup system is to primarily guard against deletions, viruses, hardware failiure, or your occasional smash&grab thief. So far it has already paid for itself when a partner had deleted a few directories by accident. Digital photos, taken of a site halfway across the country are expensive to replace.:-))
I did exactly just that for a small office that I consult for. It backs up the entire server hard drive, and all critical information on all networked workstations, such as e-mail, etc... And for the backup software, I simply used Powerquest's DataKeeper software, that happened to come free on a driver disk for a Firewire hard drive bay I bought on a whim and never used. Compared to the tape back-up and other options, this was a no-brainer, both in the price and ease of use departments. Running the backup was reduced to a one-click wonder app, perfect for the "mature" staff in this office.;-)
Does anyone have a better bang/VS/buck solution? I know CDRW's are quite cheap, but one has to factor in speed, as well as human intervention. Swapping disks requires attention, which requires a wage. The backup system simply is launched every friday after work, and does it's thing on it's own time, without need for people. And with 100GB, no sanely priced tape drive comes close.
"Using sophisticated sonar and videotape equipment, offshore engineer Paulina Zelitsky, her husband, Paul Weinzweig, and her son, Ernesto Tapanes, have found megaliths "of a kind you'd find at Stonehenge or Easter Island," Mr. Weinzweig said in an interview yesterday."
It's interesting to note that everyone in this family has a different last name... Sounds like the story of this family and of the researchers is at least as interesting of a soap opera than the sunken city Hollywood movie adaptation will be.
I wonder how soon you'll be able to by souvenier statuettes of C'thulhu in Havana.
Has it occurred to anyone that geologists have been studying this entire region for decades already? The article mentions that there were suspicions that Cuba was connected to the mainland at one time. 6000 years is probably the geologists best guess at when this land bridge existed. The city which was obviously on this sunken land bridge must be at least that old.
Since they're not even sure of what it is, as the article says, I doubt they've had time to analyze the coral yet.
I sent the e-mail, here's my synopsis of the points....
I think that it's disgraceful that Sony is shutting down Aibo hack sites, and threatening enforcement of the DMCA on the owner of the site.
a) Hack sites, put up by fanatical Aibo owners boost sales, not harm them. Don't ailienate your customers.
b) The DMCA is a bad, unconstitutional law, which will soon be struck down. Though it's legal for now, it is immoral to use this law against people.
c) When I buy something, I would like to think that I can do whatever I want with it, for personal use. This is called fair use, and is protected under law. The Aibo hack sites definately fall under this category.
d) Hacking things like Aibo is a great educational tool for young programmers. Please don't stifle young innovative minds that may end up as loyal Sony employees.
Sony's conduct in this matter will greatly influence my future purchases. I undertand it's common policy not to discuss on-going legal issues, so I don't expect a reply. However, I would appreciate if this letter is passed on to someone in charge, so that they may consider the points I have made.
"I bet the average consumer will be thrilled with having invisible carcinogenic radiation inside their computer."
Sort of like people are thrilled to have radioactive material in their household smoke detector. The cancer causing nature of UV light isn't exactly what what you say it is... I can't believe you got moderated up. Were you joking, to see who'd believe you?
When I went to see The Musketeer, not only did it suck, but the projector broke twice. Whe had angry drunk guys storming up and down the aisles screaming at the projectionist. By the end of the show, everyone booed. Upon leaving the theatre, there were employees standing around frantically handing out free tickets to everyone they could see, in order to prevent a riot. If it weren't for them, I'm sure someone would have gotten hurt.
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The average wage there is between $30 and $100 USD per month.
Thanks for pointing out facts to the previous troll. Normally it's not good to respond to trolls, but the lies in many of these trolls are believed by many Russians, and need to be dis-spelled. It's a hold-over from the Communist era, when that was all that was taught in their schools.
I'm quite aware of all the suffering in Ukraine's history. Some of my family is counted in the death toll of the Soviet regime. My previous post was merely to illustrate to people how dire the present economic situation is in Ukraine. Going into detail about the abuses Ukraine has recieved from foreign powers is a good topic for a book, not a short post regarding economic situation.
However, in the decade before the collapse, the average Ukrainian population was far closer in standard of life to the US than it is now, human rights excepted.
I urge anyone reading this, to do a web search, or pick up a history of 20th century Ukraine. (Preferably not printed in Moscow.) Ukraine is an economic and social basket case, and in dire need of assistance, yet, the people are intelligent, hard working, cultured Europeans who just want see the fruits of working hard their entire lives. They freely gave up their nuclear weapons, because they want to live in peace with the world. They deserve the USA's respect, friendship, and any reasonable help to get on track. These sanctions are nuts.
My 2 kopicks.
Not correct. Hryvnia are used to wipe hivno. Checking the prices at my local 7-11, hryvnia is cheaper too. ;-)
Ukraine is the big loser of the cold war. Economy ground into the dirt, far beyond. Ukraine used to be close to the same standard of living as the USA, so this is actually a good way of imagining things...
So imagine this happened to the USA... Prices of everything go up ten times. But wages stay the same. Imagine this lasting for 10 years. Honestly, imagine how the USA would look. Educated, intelligent, hardworking and motivated people forced onto the streets, to beg and steal just to eat. The entire world collectively indifferent. And now... this? I'm sorry, but in my judgement, taking away even the joy and escape of music from such a hurting people, is evil.
In my opinion, the RIAA and the US Government should do the exact opposite. Impose on Ukraine, and all other impoverished nations, a moratorium on copyright inringement enforcement. When the economies recuperate, and approach decent western levels of development, where Windows 2k doesn't cost half a year's salary, then impose those restrictions.
To the USA, there are no people, no humans, and no human rights. There are only consumers. I am a firm believer in democracy and capitalism, but this has gone too far.
my 2 kopecks.
I know this is a troll, but I'll respond anyway.
That website doesn't provide every bank that does or does not exchange money. Second, *EVERY* bank should exchange major currencies. Period. Thats not arrogance, thats just demanding a minimum level of service. Too bad most banks in the USA are so far below proper levels of service. Even backwoods of third world countries have you beat.
I was very polite, though I did act surprised, I supposed. What bugged me was the fact that I was informed that there was no place to convert money. This was confirmed by the people whom I was travelling, who were Canadians that have been residents in the US for a few years already, and have long been aware of this problem. They said that about the only places that might be able to do this are places in the international airports, and thats about it.
Strange, I always thought banks wanted my business. Especially since currency exchange is such a ridiculously simple matter. So simple, in fact, that the only reason I can imagine that banks don't do it, is arrogance. Anything foregin just seems to be out of an American's field of vision.
Go figure.
Bork.
I've travelled the world, and I can tell you that you are comepletely mistaken. Canada is a good example of another place where the locals extend their cultural practices to embrace foreigners. So is Ukraine. You would be surprised how much English, German and French there is in countries whose natives don't speak ANY of those languages. Most countries of the European Union have a high degree of respect for their neighbors. There are exceptions of course, but I have found that mutual awareness and respect to be the rule.
:-)
In my travels, though Americans have a fair amount of respect for people as individuals, mentioning that you're from another country generally draws a blank stare, or a silly stereotype. I suppose thats a product of their main education system... (Television.)
I like Americans... I really do! Everyone needs change and growth, and this is where Americans need it the most, in my opinion... Education, awareness, and respect. If I drive one American reading this forum to any degree of introspection, then I feel I have succeeded.
Take care.
For reasons of brevity, I didn't quote exact reasons. Since you seem to want these reasons, here is one. I can provide more at your request.
:-(
I went to a major shopping centre in Pennsylvania. I had spent all my US dollars, and I needed to change some of my foreign currency, so I went to a bank, it seemed to be a quite large and busy branch, the full service variety. I believe it was a US National Bank, or some other major sounding name. The teller told me that they were unable to exchange my Canadian dollars, and no other banks in the state that she knew of were able to exchange foreign currency.
Now, I'm fairly well travelled in the world, and I've found that any bank, anywhere, can take foreign currency and change it for local, at a fairly reasonable rate of exchange. Even small banks in the backwoods of Ukraine! (Yes I have been there, so I know what I'm talking about.) Only in America, is the arrogance of the people so complete, that the tellers don't even understand how to exchange foreign money in ANY bank, other than the few situated in border towns. And they really don't care either, because it's "Foregn currency."
After being so thouroughly insulted at the bank, and stunned by the arrogance of Americans, I thought to myself "If these folks keep this up, one day they're going to push things too far, and get a punch in their collective noses by some crazy foreginers with nothing to lose..."
I can provide more examples at request, I've got many. I really like you Americans, I do, I hope one day you do a bit of soul searching and learn to get along with everyone else a bit better.
Only in America...
You either agree that America deserved to have 3,000+ of its citizens and guests from 80 different countries killed by spoiled, rich, Islamic perverting brats or America's right to defend its right to existence by extreme, calculated violence."
:-(
People like you, and those "Islamic perverting brats" deserve each other. You're two sides of the same coin. Those dumb "brats" don't understand that it was the actions of their own people that got you to come down hard on them in the first place. And you, you don't understand that it was the actions of your own people, that got these guys to hate you in the first place.
It's the same damn thing. They forget history, and so do you, so you continue to repeat the cycle.
It's damn sad that 3000+ people died in NY. And it's also damn sad that 30,000+ died in Afghanistan. Neither side wants to look far enough back into history to realize that they have been contributing to this cycle.
So it continues.
I agree with the above poster... American people, in general, are very nice and pleasant. If you meet one on the street, more often than not, they'll be nice to you. If they are at fault, its because the only thing evil needs to prevail is for the good to do nothing. It's their government runs on a system very similar to capitalism, where "forces" shape policy, much like the invisible hand, instead of great leaders. The desision to slap tariffs on Ukraine was caused not by any amount of good leadership, but rather, this happened because of the "force" of capitalism pushing behind the scenes, without leadership to temper it.
I can say "Ohwell, you guys picked your own poor leaders.", but we all know it was market forces who stacked the deck with bad leaders to begin with. I'm beginning to sound like a communist, with all this complaining about capitalism, but I'm not. I love it, it works great when the system is well tuned. I think the USA needs far more checks and balances than it currently has.
My 2 cents.
I thought about it, and you're right, it's not the best analogy. So here's my best stab at a better analogy.
Tough kid randomly insults other kids at school. The normal kids get irritated, but they do nothing. Chances are, he's going to be hit by the crazy, mean, and somewhat psychotic kid that nobody cares about. Ugly fight ensues.
All the "normal" kids will quietly note that both got what they deserved, and hope that the loud obnoxious tough kid will treat people a bit more politely. They'll also be glad that the crazy kid got expelled for starting a fight.
The moral: If you randomly insult people, chances are, the crazies will be the first to punch you in the nose. The fact that they are crazy and in the wrong doesn't vindicate your rude actions.
I just travelled to the USA. I saw first hand a huge amount of blind ignorance and arrogance when it comes to anything beyond your borders. Sad thing is, is that these nice Americans didn't even realize how offensive they are being. I thought to myself "One of these days, they're going to upset some foreign country so bad, that the USA will get a collective punch in the nose right back."
Whups, that already happened... Very sad, and not excusable. If a kid insults enough jocks at school, he's gonna get beat up. Sad, unexcusable, but there definately are preventative measures that could be taken.
I hope you learn the correct lessons. Being the toughest kid on the block shouldn't mean it's ok to thoughtlessly offend anyone you care to. Americans do this far more than they understand. It's time to re-learn the age old skill of diplomacy, understanding, and consideration of others.
Sadly enough, it is. When I travelled there, it was quite easy to buy a warez copy of Win2K, Office, Autocad, or 3D Studio at a kiosk in any bazaar, for about $5 US a pop.
But consider that the average wage there is is about $40 US a month. The people of Ukraine can either copy software without permission, in the hopes of keeping the country current enough to get them out of their economic mess, or they can give up on software altogether, because competing with the USA for prices would mean nobody would own software.
This is not an issue of law, as Ukraine is soverign, it can pass whatever law it wants. This is a question of morals, ethics, and practicality. Will USA copyright holders make more sales in Ukraine if these laws were passed? I don't think so, because Ukrainians can't afford those prices. I say the US should turn a blind eye, and give Ukraine a chance to catch up economically, so that in the future they can afford the full price of commercial software.
My 2 cents, on a topic I care about.
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They are skipped, and the "error" is logged. :-|
Presumably they are caught in the next backup cycle. Anyone have a better idea?
I raised this issue with my clients. They considered it an unlikely enough occurence that they aren't worried. Further, they already keep archived copies of all projects on zip disks, in a an off-site storage area anyhow. This removable hard drive backup system is to primarily guard against deletions, viruses, hardware failiure, or your occasional smash&grab thief. So far it has already paid for itself when a partner had deleted a few directories by accident. Digital photos, taken of a site halfway across the country are expensive to replace. :-))
I did exactly just that for a small office that I consult for. It backs up the entire server hard drive, and all critical information on all networked workstations, such as e-mail, etc... And for the backup software, I simply used Powerquest's DataKeeper software, that happened to come free on a driver disk for a Firewire hard drive bay I bought on a whim and never used. Compared to the tape back-up and other options, this was a no-brainer, both in the price and ease of use departments. Running the backup was reduced to a one-click wonder app, perfect for the "mature" staff in this office. ;-)
Does anyone have a better bang/VS/buck solution? I know CDRW's are quite cheap, but one has to factor in speed, as well as human intervention. Swapping disks requires attention, which requires a wage. The backup system simply is launched every friday after work, and does it's thing on it's own time, without need for people. And with 100GB, no sanely priced tape drive comes close.
"Using sophisticated sonar and videotape equipment, offshore engineer Paulina Zelitsky, her husband, Paul Weinzweig, and her son, Ernesto Tapanes, have found megaliths "of a kind you'd find at Stonehenge or Easter Island," Mr. Weinzweig said in an interview yesterday."
It's interesting to note that everyone in this family has a different last name... Sounds like the story of this family and of the researchers is at least as interesting of a soap opera than the sunken city Hollywood movie adaptation will be.
I wonder how soon you'll be able to by souvenier statuettes of C'thulhu in Havana.
Has it occurred to anyone that geologists have been studying this entire region for decades already? The article mentions that there were suspicions that Cuba was connected to the mainland at one time. 6000 years is probably the geologists best guess at when this land bridge existed. The city which was obviously on this sunken land bridge must be at least that old.
Since they're not even sure of what it is, as the article says, I doubt they've had time to analyze the coral yet.
Atlantis isn't the only sunken city of myth... But considering the alternatives, If it is a lost mythical city, I'm sure hoping it is Atlantis!!!
Since the explorers are still alive, and wrote the article, it may be safet to presume it may not be R'Lyeh.
Bork!
Silly rabbit, that's what voice recognition is for!
Bork!
I sent the e-mail, here's my synopsis of the points....
I think that it's disgraceful that Sony is shutting down Aibo hack sites, and threatening enforcement of the DMCA on the owner of the site.
a) Hack sites, put up by fanatical Aibo owners boost sales, not harm them. Don't ailienate your customers.
b) The DMCA is a bad, unconstitutional law, which will soon be struck down. Though it's legal for now, it is immoral to use this law against people.
c) When I buy something, I would like to think that I can do whatever I want with it, for personal use. This is called fair use, and is protected under law. The Aibo hack sites definately fall under this category.
d) Hacking things like Aibo is a great educational tool for young programmers. Please don't stifle young innovative minds that may end up as loyal Sony employees.
Sony's conduct in this matter will greatly influence my future purchases. I undertand it's common policy not to discuss on-going legal issues, so I don't expect a reply. However, I would appreciate if this letter is passed on to someone in charge, so that they may consider the points I have made.
Thank you,
Sony customer.
"I bet the average consumer will be thrilled with having invisible carcinogenic radiation inside their computer."
Sort of like people are thrilled to have radioactive material in their household smoke detector. The cancer causing nature of UV light isn't exactly what what you say it is... I can't believe you got moderated up. Were you joking, to see who'd believe you?
When I went to see The Musketeer, not only did it suck, but the projector broke twice. Whe had angry drunk guys storming up and down the aisles screaming at the projectionist. By the end of the show, everyone booed. Upon leaving the theatre, there were employees standing around frantically handing out free tickets to everyone they could see, in order to prevent a riot. If it weren't for them, I'm sure someone would have gotten hurt.
The moral: Don't go see the Musketeer.
What??? The consumer having control over their own information??? HAHAHAHAHA! Tell me another one...
But seriously. With the people involved, you'll have as much control over your Passport information as you will over your credit report.