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Ancient Sunken City Discovered Off Shores of Cuba. Maybe
King Africa writes "Explorers using a miniature submarine to probe the sea floor off the coast of Cuba said on Thursday they had confirmed the discovery of stone structures deep below the ocean surface that may have been built by an unknown human civilization thousands of years ago.
The explorers said they believed the mysterious structures, discovered at the astounding depth of around 2,100 feet and laid out like an urban area, could have been built at least 6,000 years ago. That would be about 1,500 years earlier than the great Giza pyramids of Egypt. " The BBC has a bit more substantative article on this as well - but I do wonder how they assigned the date "of at least 6000 years ago" to this.
I'm just assuming they just forgot to mention the large bubble over the entire city and the people/aliens who populate it.
>but I do wonder how they assigned the date "of >at least 6000 years ago" to this.
no doubt by checking the log files on their mainframes, silly.
don't you know that any newly discovered ancient civilization is bound to have been centuries ahead of it's time in technology. don't you watch movies?
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I like the last couple of quotes from the bbc article:
"It's a really wonderful structure which really looks like it could have been a large urban centre... However, it would be totally irresponsible to say what it was before we have evidence."
Well, alright then.
RC
The article arouses my curiosity. In the age of visual arousal, however, pictures would be nice.
They just make up any old number and say they used a special method to date the stuff. Then they take a big chunk of money from their funders and say it was for carbon dating ;o) . Does Carbon dating work for things under water?
Cool!
Of course, I'm sure this will set off a whole new round of newage (rhymes with "sewage") types talking about Atlantis..
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Didn't Edgar Cayce predict this decades ago? How come Nostradamus gets more press?
Does this mean Disney will have a set for their sequal to Altantis. Or perhaps the Little Mermaid?
Or is it the lost city of Atlanta?
Finally we found that City of Mermaids that I've been dreaming of. I hope one decides she wants to become human and mistakens me to be a handsome prince (both of which I am not). Of course then I would have to put up with her stupid crab's singing, so maybe it's better if she doesn't surface.
Ok, if you are familliar with the "Mysterious City of Gold" cartoon from the 80s this discovery ought to creep you out...
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they have discovered what they think are the ruins of a submerged city built thousands of years ago.
Are they implying that the city was submerged when it was actually populated? Or did they mean to say "submerged ruins of a city built thousands of years ago."
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Thing is, the pseuds may have a point. We don't really know a lot about ancient civilisations to say. I wonder how they came up with the 'older-than-Giza' thing too...
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Actually, photos of this were taken by U-2 aircraft back in the fall of '62, but other pictures were more interesting, so they got shoved aside. Try the Freedom of Information Act.
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This is interesting and in part vindicates what Graham Hancock has been saying about lost civilizations. He has written some interesting books "The Sign and The Seal" and "Fingerprints of the Gods", which present some interesting theories about a civlization that predates our own. His website http://www.grahamhancock.com/ has more. Gives lots of links to more information about our potentially lost civilizations.
Concrete? Cuba? 2100 feet? It's the guys who really shot JFK. Think about it.
The article says they're among several firms searching the waters around Cuba for shipwrecks, many of which are belived to have been carrying gold and valuables when they sank. It's purly for scientific research of course =)
but I do wonder how they assigned the date "of at least 6000 years ago" to this
They probably just read the sign:
The Lost City
est. 6000 BC (yes we know what C stands for)
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Maybe amongst geological circles the ocean levels vs time are reasonably well-known and accepted.
It's a shame that scientists working for American companies can't explore this. I wish the articles had pictures or more information-- I wonder if the buildings have many similarities to those of other Central American cultures.
If the structures really date back to 6000 years ago there must have been a huge seismic event in that area since then because the water levels have not increased 600 meters since then! The structures must also belong to a civilisation closer to the Incas or Mayas (stone stuctures, pyramids) than their north american counterparts. This is of course if it isn't some kind of underwater lava flow or something (which can take on weird shapes). Sometimes to get funding people will say anything.
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but I do wonder how they assigned the date "of at least 6000 years ago" to this
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They're still waiting for the government to appropriate funds to provide adequate drainage. The problem is that this would require a government-sponsered lottery. I guess the right-wingers decided they'd rather be all wet.
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They probably used coral growth to find out how old it was. Coral grows at a steady rate every year, so they can figure out how thick the coral is, they can approximate the amount of time it has been growing there.
Anyone else thinking this might be Atlantis? =P
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Wow. In these days with GPS, spy sattlelites and six billion people running around the planet, there is still unexplored land on Earth.
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That said, the article was pretty short. Hopefully we will see more information on this as things develop. Like pictures. I'm using Lynx though.
I hope that it is linked very closely to the ancient mesoamerican peoples, it would be nice to see that their civilization stretched this far.
'course, while i'm making up archeological data, i hope they find the missing balance for my cheque book, along with every plane that disappeared in the bermuda triangle
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It seems like we (the world) have been putting so much time/money/effort into space exploration, yet we neglect to use what we have on our own planet...the ocean. If half the scientific efforts aimed at space were steered towards water research, we would have full out underwater cities by now. So what is the hang up?
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Just wait until Dr of Quackology Erich von Däniken get ahold of this information. How long before he starts finding models of airplanes and alien landing strips among the ruins?
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An aside: I never thought I'd see the day when this link would be on topic for Slashdot...
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Well I guess Art Bell was right about this one....
You can find an interview with Paul Weinzweig from ADC at http://www.earthfiles.com/earth249.htm.
ABC ran a special to promote the new "Atlantis" movie a few months back. It was acutally pretty informative, but one of the tidbits that came out of it was that this place in Cube is starting to be widely beleived to be the location of Atlantis. Supposedly, all the "clues" fit.
They got it wrong...This was the first Big Stone Block(tm) factory; but due to the recession of 4037 BC (triggered by a 600 meter rise in the ocean level) they filed bankruptcy.
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"May 20, 2001 article reports on sonar sightings of what appear to be man-made structures on the seabed near Cuba...."
http://www.andrewcollins.net/page/articles/lostcit y.htm
"In a press release dated Havana, 14 May 2001 Reuters of London..."
Update on Mysterious Deep Water Sonar Images Off Western Cuba
Underwater City Reported Off Western Cuba
I could go on, but I'll leave that as an exercise for the reader.
Hint: try a google search for "cuba" and "underwater" and "city"
Ya'd think /. would have picked up on this a while ago, but then, maybe not...
I guess "news" doesn't necessarily mean "new".
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When I first thought of a sunken city, I immediately thought of that city where jar jar binks lives in star wars. i hate that mother f**ker. god, now the whole article pissed me off because i had to think of jar jar. i swear i would love to rip his testacles off and see if that makes his voice less annoying.
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Did they find an underwater pyramid?
No, they might have found an underwater city. It sounds like their trying to make their discovery sound more impressive than it really is. They pull a date out of their ass and then compare it to a date when the egyptian civilization was flourishing. There's no mention of the date compared to, say, the first egyptian cities/settlements or even the pyramids at Saqara (which were built long before the pyramids at Giza).
Anyone want to lay odds that they need funding to study what they found?
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This Globe & Mail article has substantially more information on this finding, including the quote below which answers the above question:
The article also makes notes of symbols and inscriptions on the structures and that the images "bear a remarkable resemblance to the pyramidal design of Mayan and Aztec temples in Mexico."
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So Atlantis was run by Communists!!!
Be careful, the last expedition that explored ancient civilizations in the Antarctic didn't fare very well.
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Unbelievably ancient? Check!
Sunken in deep, deep water? Check!
Predate pyramids by thousands of years? Check!
Cyclopedian stone structures? Check!
Granite blocks? Check!
Polished pyramids? Check!
Strange angles? Check!
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The article says the blocks could be up to 6000 years old, not that they are 6000 years old. They might be as young as 1000. The number 6000 probably comes from the time they think humans first set foot on Cuba.
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Of course, I'm sure this will set off a whole new round of newage (rhymes with "sewage") types talking about Atlantis.
Not to mention actual, reputable, archaeologists.
Legends/oral traditions have preserved quite a bit of actual history over millenia, despite entropy, destruction or loss of records, and religious/ideological suppression. Poems are particularly resistant to change: The rythm, rhyme schemes, alliteration, and other artistic conventions serve as error-correcting codes. These have proven quite useful in directing archaeologists on where to dig.
For a long time they were discounted. But that was before the rich guy with the bee in his bonet funded the dig that discovered the ruins of Troy - the first of several successes using the technique of analyzing legends and seeing what sites in the real world might match.
The Atlantis legend is quite widespread and a number of sites have been considered as possible matches. But none have been really convincing so far.
A 6,000-ish year old city 2,000 feet down just off the coast of Cuba ("Island Beyond the Gates of Hercules") sounds like a very good candidate - especially given that the Americas had about as many years for civilizations to rise and fall as the EurAsian/African landmass did, along with sufficient population and resources to make it happen.
Let's see how this develops.
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This must be a new, unknown civilization. The Aztecs did not formally settle in Mexico until ~1200 AD, the Mayans florished in the Yucatan around ~150 AD, and the Olmec started out around 1000 AD.
Take a look at this time line for more info.
Now my guess is that they have the dates all wrong. There has always been a mystery behind the disappearance of these people. could a previously unknown catastrophic event have caused these people to be wiped out? a lost city at the bottom of the sea seems to point in that direction.
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but I do wonder how they assigned the date "of at least 6000 years ago" to this.
That's easy. They found coins marked "4000 BC".
I heard about this six months ago.... What took the mainstream press so long ???
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It's not exactly carbon 14 dating; it's analysis of coral structures and related debris. Basically, it has to do with the rate of changes in coral structures over time, as well as sedimentation and things of that nature. Information about coral dating can be found here and here. Uranium/Thorium dating can be used on marine sediment (info here). Actually, the entire "Dating Exibit" site has a simplistic but good explanation of various relative and absolute dating techniques.
Lacking any further documentation, this sounds an awful lot like the "ancient civilizations" that have been found off other carribean islands.
Basically, through geologic and volcanic processes it is not uncommon for large, relatively flat fields of rock to be broken into large blocks at 90 degree angles - giving the appearance of having been laid there by someone (or something).
Really can't blame people for being misled - without further evidence to prove/disprove their theories, it IS a plausible explanation (that people (or aliens...) laid the stones. Kind of like that famous image of the 'face' on Mars.
Sorry, forget the website where I read about the geologic processes - probably Nat'l Geo or something like that. Anybody able to help me out here with more info?
That has to be (Old) Utopia. It's too close to New Utopia to be a coincidence.
Everyone is saying that it is Atlantis but theres a possibility that it could be Lemuria which existed before Atlantis and could explain why it was found so deep in the water as it would have had more time for the oceans to rise. Just a thought.
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but it will make it hard to find organic material that is from the same period of time. C14 method does not work on stone.
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> that may have been built by an unknown human
> civilization thousands of years ago
Human civilization? That's pretty presumptuous of them.
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Nope, not me, I must be someone else...
It's obvious that some really smart person spent a lot of time in researching it. Then flipped a coin.
"We've found an extremely large oblong box with a fanciful star shaped clasp. We're sending the robot down now to retrieve the artifact. Looks like it's going to be a great day!"
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Here we go again, someone finds an interesting rock formation underwater, and it is automatically an ancient civilization, which some people will claim to be Atlantis... Here's what they actually found: "huge, smooth blocks with the appearance of cut granite..." Now notice how the assumption of man-made structures is present from this point on: "Some of the blocks were built in pyramid shapes." Once the speculation of origin is applied, they speculate on use: "It's a really wonderful structure which really looks like it could have been a large urban centre." All of this with nothing to back it up other than some interesting rock formations, so they stuck in a disclaimer: "However, it would be totally irresponsible to say what it was before we have evidence." In other words, nobody will fund the exploration of neat rocks, so they give it the description of Atlantis to generate interest. I'm not impressed.
Where did you get "at least 6000 years ago" from "could be over 6000 years old"?
Let's see here. Stone city? Check. Submerged? Check.
Interesting angled stone mentioned in some articles?
Check. Sounds like R'Lyeh to me! Let's go party with
C'thulhu...!
You do know that Yosemitie National Park is on top of one the "super" volcano's. I mean if the thing blew again there is a chance it would cause massive loss of life, they are talking 3ft of ash 3000 miles away.
Regardless all you need is a natural cavern which the city is built on(see NYC), that's atleast 2000-3000ft deep(see NYC), where an earthquake cracks the cavern, or due to large ammounts of people or structures weakens the dome to the point where a large enough earthquake cause it to colapse.
Not exactly far fetched, almost like the annazi temple off the coast of japan sunk in 30ft of water. Though the temple exactly mirrors the aztec temples in central america...hmm...could it be possible that we've been semi-advanced before only to be almost wiped out by a massive geologic event? And the human race was scattered to the winds, leading to similar advances in technology and structures around the world, or is this all coincidence?
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Imagine a beowolf cluster of these?
i think to get more action, funding and to avoid politics, universities might slowly lose more and more researchers to companies like this!
it seems rather close to land to be a sunken continent. i mean, if atlantis were a continent, it would be fairly big, like australia. but these ruins are very close to cuba, which seems to me like cuba would be part of the same continent. if that were the case then there would be similar artifacts in cuba, like the 6000 year old megalith unearthed in '66. although, the disney atlantians did look a bit aztekian.
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I think an easy way for them to determine how long this has been submerged is to simply look at the coral growth in the area.
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I wonder how they came up with the 'older-than-Giza' thing too...
Another post questioned what geological phenomenon could cause land to sink 2000 feet in less than 6000 years. That's probably why they think it is so old, to give nature enough time to cause this to happen.
Atlantis isn't the only sunken city of myth... But considering the alternatives, If it is a lost mythical city, I'm sure hoping it is Atlantis!!!
Since the explorers are still alive, and wrote the article, it may be safet to presume it may not be R'Lyeh.
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I wonder if this is a repeat of the oft-"discoved" bimini roads off bermuda. They are a naturally occuring formation that appears to be man made, it has fooled psuedoarchealogists off and on for the last 20 years or so (maybe longer, I don't recall exactly when they were found).
At anyrate here is a link from Paul Heinrich's Wild Side Geoarcheology entry on the Bimini roads:
Bimini Roads And Atlantis
Bimini Columns And Atlantis
Bimini Granite Stones and Atlantis
Just wondering....
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but I do wonder how they assigned the date "of at least 6000 years ago" to this
By the sign on one of the restaurant doors that said "est. 4000 b.c."
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Bit of a pyrrhic victory for Hancock, I'm afraid.
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The home of the Little Mermaid, the Submariner or Aquaman?
Still waiting for scientist finding a huge, yellow door at the northpole, a skull shaped cave in deep Africa or at least a portal to the negative zone.
"However, it would be totally irresponsible to say what it was before we have evidence."
Oh how very true... let's just wait this one out folks and save the speculation for those who can do it best... oh wait a minute.. nevermind, we're already here...
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How about this from July 11?
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I thought this was a _news_ site.
What do you call old news? Olds?
The BBC story specifically mentions that this is a followup on last year's discovery. The following quote is from the BBC story (second link in the original story):
So, it's the images brought back by the robot which are the news.
On to the good stuff:
In the Reuters story (first link in the original post), they address (sort of) the really interesting questions:
Volcanic activity?? I'm no geologist, but I suspect that someone who is could shred that effectively. I've lived on rising and falling coastlines, and I've never seen volcanic action blamed for the rise/fall in either of the physical geology books I read. Subduction of the ocean floor can cause volcanic activity, but I find it hard to imagine it running the other way.
As for how to date it, a rough-and-ready way to establish a bound on the date would be via geology: when was that area last above water? In order to fall 2100 feet below sealevel in 6000 years, it would have to sink at an average of 0.35 feet per year. Four point two inches per year seems a bit fast to me. Is the Cuban coast actually sinking, even? Is there a geologist in the house?
You could also get a fairly good clue by checking the amount of coral growth on the blocks. Coral needs to be near the surface to grow, so they could only have accumulated coral in the initial centuries after their submersion. No coral would suggest either that the coral has somehow been eroded away, or that those blocks were never near the surface.
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Not to start another science vs. religion flame war but just and interesting note. 6000 years BC is pretty close to the time that creationist's place noah's flood isn't it?
I know I am putting my Karma at risk here, with all the Athiest Mods, but creationist out there would probably point to this as possible ruins form the flood.
That would be a significant enough event. Not to mention most creationist believe that at one time the continents were together etc...
Just a thought...
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If you look at a hi-res topograph of the area, it's not inconceivable that a few minor events could have taken a great valley and flooded it. Assume that the Yucatan and Cuba started the mountain ridge that formed this valley. Follow around through Haiti/Dominican, PR, Virgin Islands, Lesser Antilles, and down to Venezuela. The water between these peaks is very, very shallow, comparitively.
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What you do not know that is they have photos of stones with writing and symbols on them! The writing has been seen in a few places in Europe, but their origin is unknown. Now how many of you know about the cave that Glen kimball is getting ready to open here in the U.S. that will prove for a fact that the New World has been well known since before the common era.
The kooks among us who follow Art Bell for one reason or another, learned about this as early as 6/13/01. Here's some links: http://www.earthfiles.com/earth239.htm and http://www.earthfiles.com/earth303.htm
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While it would seem like a likely candidate for Atlantis I would wonder due to geographical location wether it would fit the profile. Given the fact that 4000 b.c would still be ancient history by Plato's time in order for him to have written of this city as Atlantis, ships from there would of had to been very well docemented in Greece. This means several would of had to reach Europe from Cuba. In order for ships to make this journey they must of had exceptional naval expertise in order to make this journey (not to mention a motive for sailing over what they probably thought was an empty ocean!) While this civilization was without a doubt expectionally advanced for it's time I find it unlikely that it would be Atlantis.
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Frank Muller-Karger, Ph.D., Caribbean expert and Professor of Oceanography, College of Marine Science, University of South Florida, St. Petersburg, Florida:
"When you look at sonar images, it looks sort of smooth, curved and shades - everything is sort of curvy and shades of curves. It looks smooth. So, when you look at these, you do see things that have very strong reflections along straight edges. There are a lot of those things, like you said, over a field of several kilometers, tens of square kilometers.
AND THAT THESE STRAIGHT EDGES THAT ARE BOTH RECTANGULAR AND SOMEWHAT PYRAMIDAL WITH STRAIGHT EDGES ARE ALL OVER THAT SEVERAL KILOMETERS AREA?
Yes, but again, it could be a very unique geological formation. We just don't know. Until we go there and take a very close look, all it will be is speculation and I would hope that nobody - it's very romantic to think, 'Oh, a lost civilization and ruins and all.' And we all would like to see something like that. But I don't think that it's the right thing to do without actually going there. I think it's great they are actually going to go there and take a closer look. Because just from a geological point of view, it would be very interesting also."
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Well, it's only a matter of time before they do a detailed analysis, so I might as well come clean before this gets any more out of hand.
You see, it really wasn't intentional. Some weekend back in the Summer of '98, me and a bunch of buddies were kicking back at my place, just wasting time. Jimmy was channel surfing on my beat up Sony when he caught a story about all those crop circles in the UK and how a couple of middle aged farmers confessed to making several of 'em with measuring tapes and sheets of plywood. Phil had already been asking us what he should do about the old shrimp trawler he'd inherited from his aunt in the Florida keys, so when Eddie mentioned how he had a whole lot of granite tile left over from flooring his den... well, somehow between the first and second kegs the whole thing developed a life of its own. Next thing I know, we're dodging the Cuban coast guard under cover of night, drunk as skunks as we tossed those dang tiles out the back of the boat.
Honestly, I can't see how anyone fell for it, thinking it was laid out in an orderly pattern. I mean, Phil was awful drunk and there was no way he could've walked a straight line, to say nothing of steering the boat. As to the "circular formation," well, halfway through we had to turn back to Florida for more beer before dumping the last of the tiles.
Anyway, on behalf of the Florida Keys Bowling and Skeet Shooting league, I'd like to apologize for any confusion we might have caused to any archeologists or geologists out there. We've learned our lesson and will never do it again - especially not after getting caught by the Egyptian Police outside of Giza.
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...but I do wonder how they assigned the date "of at least 6000 years ago" to this.
That's the archaeological way. Make up a number, then when you find it to be false later, claim "new scientific processes" have allowed you to determine that it is in fact closer to X years old.
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In 1998 Hurricane Mitch pushed rivers 100's of feet up mountains, created brand new rivers, caused landslides which changed the shapes of mountains and covered entired cities, and left parts of the land covered in water over a year later. (if you're in Nicaragua look for the "Las Casitas" memorial - the distant mountain which caused the landslide shows obvious changes in its shape).
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Volcanic eruptions can be so great as to cause the birth of islands. There was a well-studied one in the Pacific in 2000, i believe. Also in Nicaragua is an interesting series of small islands caused by a nearby volcano loosing its top - large pieces of land were blown miles away and landed in a lake creating these islands. I dont remember the name of the lake or volcano, though i have some photos at /home.7 62000/762047.stm
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Natural Disasters are called "disasters" for a reason. 6000 years seems plenty for the earth to move a small bit of land a couple hundred metres.
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First, I'm sure many of us saw the Disney special on the making of the Atlantis movie, and how they speculated that it would be found in this location.
But, the question we should ask is - did this lead them to look for it there?
And we should also realize it is highly likely that, just as we found the origin of the Flood in the submerging of the Black Sea and recent recovery of sunken cities there, that it is also possible that this is really a Second Atlantis - and that the Atlantis of Homer was in fact a mediterranean island and it's just a cool coincidence that there turns out to have been a true Atlantis sunk in a meteor hit.
The plus side is maybe the US will finally get rid of the embargo on Cuba, since most of us weren't alive back when that happened.
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Thanks for poining out that this is old news. Granted, it has mostly appeared on "fringe" web sites up until yesterday. I wish /. would venture a little closer to the fringe at times, because there's interesting stuff to be found.
That that is is that that that that is not is not.
As a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints ( http://www.lds.org ) I was instantly intrigued by this finding. In the Book of Mormon it tells of great destruction in ancient America wherein
"...the city of Moroni did sink into the depths of the sea..." (3 Nephi 8:9 pg. 422).
"And Many great and notable cities were sunk..." (ibid. verse 14).
It just confirms my belief in the truth of the Book of Mormon further. For more info. on the church also check out http://www.mormon.org
-Jim
Actually, from what I read, it's not a United States company because Cuba is still under embargo by our government. Thus it's illegal under US law for a US company to operate in those waters. Combine that with the fact that Cuba isn't technologically and fiscally advanced to send their own explorers, so that requires an international source; they were more than happy to offer Cuban divers to the teams funded by the other nations.
So, that leaves Mexico and Canada as the major nations who could legally investigate, and it so happens that a Canadian one spent the cash to go there.
Hugo Pratt's Mú book talks about this.
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Good point. When I asked the strangely misshapen fishermen who were crewing my research vessel about that, they stared at me with their moon-shaped bulbous eyes and said nothing.
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They seem to be great friends with that Ashcroft fellow - keep meeting him at docks and piers though - and sometimes I think I've spotted Cheney in the limo, and he appears to have gills almost.
Nah, must be my imagination. But my dreams have become very interesting lately
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With all their hockey hullabaloo,
And that bitch Anne Murray too!
These people are just seeking attention. Why would they give all this info out if it is "irresponsible" to proclaim that it is indeed a human civilization? Irresponsible indeed.
I think a major indicator of the validity of this "finding" is the lack of pictures released to the public. Why are there no pictures so that we all can see and say, "Wow! They're right!"?
I say they found a bunch of rocks.
How are you ?
When I discovered this submerged city, I immediately thought of you.
I'm in a harry, I promise you will love it!
<< File: Atlantis.scr >>
but not a mention of the eye on the side! Weird.
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Here is a link to a more in depth article and analysis by the author of "Gateway to Atlantis".
Andrew Collin's Article.
I personally enjoy the fact that the first reaction of experts, professionals, and professional know-it-alls is to ridicule idiosyncratic phenomena; it makes them look all the more stupid and narrow-minded when it's proven beyond the shadow of a doubt. There's nothing like a shattered paradigm to get your juices flowing in the morning...
This is just the burial ground for failed Xbox prototypes.
Move along, please...
Come on people, hasn't anyone learned any lessons from playing X-Com Terror from the Deep? Watch out for the big jelly fish guys and the floating brain saucers. Be sure to research Aqua Plastics before entering the site!
"...of at least 6000 years ago" If i recall didn't a geologist use water levels to date the Sphinx at 10000yrs old+ due to the water erosion on the original stones. Perhaps this is why the city is underwater as well?
"plus, as a Christian, I have numerous doubts on the validity of carbon dating"
How could your religious beliefs possibly have anything worthwhile to say about the validity of a scientific technique?
Advanced Digital Communications is one of four firms working in a joint venture with President Fidel Castro's government to explore Cuban waters, which hold hundreds of treasure-laden ships from the Spanish colonial era.
Sounds like Castro is looking for funds.....
Why are we assuming this is a city? According to the article, a bunch of interesting shapes were found under the ocean, and assumed to be a city.
It would be really cool if it actually was, but a little more scepticism before crying wolf would be a good thing.
"Reality is less than television."-Brian Oblivion
The book "The Mayan Prophecies" by Adrian Gilbert and Maurice Cotterell (ISBN 0-7607-0287-x) has a chapter on a suspected city -possibly drowned- estimated to be somewhere in the eastern Carribean or Bahamas. The claim is based on archeology, early Mexican Indian folktales (Aztec,Mayan,etc) archeology records, and even sources in the Western European world that mention a sea-faring trading civilization "west of the pillars of Hercules" - which would be west of Gilbraltar. The chapter documents much more..
Religious records also tell of "Atlantis"-type drowned cities - see p. 424 of the Book of Mormon.
And then there is the very existance of the legend of Atlantis which might provide a hint that maybe once it actually happened.
I don't know what they found, but there is some reason to suspect a sunken city somewhere off the American Continents.
6000 years would have placed it before the Universal flood, unless this city is fosilized, it would be rediculous to say that it's 6000 years old, and, not to troll, but 4500 years is too early for Egypt also considering geneologies, The people falling away from God to have such a rediculous reason for building the structures, etc.
Egypt was blessed by God because they obeyed him for a large amount of time after the tower of Babel. Before the end of the world, Egypt will return to God and be very prosperous (Isaiah 20).
This is a VERY interesting find, and perhaps with more evidence it will get the "Native" Americans to shut up about us cheating them (Stupid anti-seminole mascots).
"And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the World"
1 John 4:14
Just imagine ... what if we built a Beowulf cluster of Linux boxes that would automatically handle all our First Posts, Natalie Portman references, and whiny posts about how every article posted to Slashdot shouldn't have been? If we gave every node on the cluster its own account, the cluster could automatically mod its own posts up to 5!
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In an earlier high-profile find, ADC was testing equipment in late 2000 off Havana Bay when it spotted the century-old wreck of the American battleship USS Maine. The ship had not been located since it blew up mysteriously in 1898, killing 260 American sailors and igniting the Spanish-American War.
That's very odd to hear, considering the Maine explosion was investigated the second time in 1911, then the ship was raised and finally sunk off the coast of Cuba in early 1912. Read more about the Maine here.
Ironic, how the Maine incident was pointed at and derided as an example of 'yellow journalism' to stir up war, when most people never really notice how 'yellow' our journalism is today...
There's no wrong way, to eat a Rhesus...
Deep sea detritus, a.k.a. "marine snow", a.k.a., little bity parts of small dead things, fall at a relatively constant rate on the marine floor. Thus, discovering the approximate age of the city could be as simple as
(amount of detritus covering) / (rate of detritus fall)
The 6000, I'm sure, is a complete guess given the current amount of available data, but I'm relatively confident of sedimentologists ability to estimate ages. Those dirt geologists rock.
I'm hearing everyone say, "Oh, this might be Atlantis!" But if it's even half as old as they think it is (assuming it's a city at all), how on earth could Europeans (or anyone in that part of the world) have known about it in Plato's time or even earlier? It's all the way across the Atlantic, and there's no reason that I know of that knowledge of any city could have travelled across that ocean then.
I see a lot of comments here by people who are skeptical at the veracity of this claim because of the age and depth of the ruins. This skepticism can be easily overcome though, by simply looking at the numbers, the geology of the surrounding area, and geology in general.
For a city to sink 2000 feet in 6000 years only requires an average subsidence rate of 4 inches a year. While 4 inches a year sounds high at first, you must all remember that this IS a geologically active area with a number of faults, uplifts, and volcanoes. As an example, in one sunny June afternoon in the late 1600's, the city of Port Royal Jamaica plunged 40 feet below the surface of the sea, killing thousands. That's forty feet in ONE DAY. There have also been foundations and hints of other structures on the Bimini shelf and elsewhere around the Carribean that indicate that these kinds of shoreline changes have ocurred fairly consistently throughout the regions history. A look at shoreline maps of many of the inhabited islands, even over just the past few centuries, CLEARLY shows that some islands no longer exist, while others have drastically changed size or shape. If these kinds of changes can happen over a few hundred years, who knows what's possible over a few thousand? For all we know, this region could be sitting on top of an emptying magma chamber for a volcanic vent, or a section of crust that was relieved of some upward tension and subsided. These situations could easily provide subsidence rates far in excess of what would be needed to get this city to that depth.
To make a long story short, the region of the Caribbean tectonic plate is known to be highly volatile and active, and it is under immense pressure from its larger surrounding neighbors (the North American plate, South American Plate, etc). To assume that one section of it could not have dropped 4" a year ignores both the regions history and gological evidence.
You've also got to remember that there are Mayan legends about the Olmec that sound distinctly Atlantis-like. The legends said that the Olmec were the former rulers of the Yucatan who were centered on a great island in the Caribbean. That island, again according to legend, plunged below the sea and destroyed their civilisation. There are other similar legends throughout Central and South America about the "educators" (like the Viracocha's of the Andes), a people who came among them and taught them construction, farming, and astronomy, and who spoke of their destroyed homeland. Archaeologists have marveled for years at the consistency of these legends from one region to another, and tin-foil-hatters have attributed them to everything from Atlanteans, to the Irish, to space aliens. It's much more realistic to think that these "Viracochas" may have simply been a Caribbean civilisation destroyed when their home area dove beneath the waves.
There is nothing so pathetic as seeing a beautiful young theory roughed up by a tough gang of facts.
Ahhh Cuba. One of my favourite vacation getaways. Some of the nicest virgin beaches in the world, amazing weather, fantastic diving, little crime, Havana Club rum, cafe cubano, Cohiba cigars, beautiful women.
Me gusta Cuba mucho.
Too bad you Americans can't go without having to lie to your government and go through Canada or Mexico.
If only these stone structures weren't so deep. Amateur scuba divers like myself would love to check that out. 2100 feet though, ummm no.
and the Jaredites, Mulekites, Nephites, Lamanites, et. al. weren't the only ones there either. Two notes on this: First, Nephi I himself remarks that for simplicity he groups those friendly to the faith as Nephites and those against as Lamanites; and second, Mormon comments that the Nephites and Lamanites took over a number of cities to which he attributes neither Lamanite nor Nephite ownership (e.g., they belong to other people).
By the way, the FARMS publications have quite a bit more evidence for the authenticity of the Book of Mormon. Also, while we both know that one cannot "prove" a religion to be true (else whither faith, eh?), it's certainly comforting to have evidence after faith has been exerted.
What is your Slash Rating?
1) I'm a professional geologist and a practicing Catholic. My job and religion have nothing to do with one another and I have equal trust in both my faith and my science.
2) Care to give some examples of when 14C dating has been "blatantly wrong too many times, and outrageous the other times". I could go on and on about this, but the simple matter is that the physics of how 14C (and any other radiometic dating technique) works is extremely well-constrained and understood. Our techniques for measuring isotopes, etc are extremely sophisticated, accurate, and precise. The weak link in radimetric dating is the human factor. People collect samples, characterize them, and interpret the data. This subjectivity (or "geologic uncertainty") is probably what you have a problem with. It underscores the fact that without proper field work and careful interpretation, powerful geochronologic techniques can be rendered useless.
It should be 'interesting'. Even if you don't agree with it, it's concise and well written, on topic, provides new information related to the topic, as well as not provoking flames. I hope the moderator who marked it 'flaimbait' got meta-moderated down.
Yeesh.
Sure, because the Bible has never been blatantly wrong or outrageous....
"And Many great and notable trolls were sunk..."
It just confirms my belief in the truth of the Book of Slashdot further. For more info. on the church also check out http://www.moron.org
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A midget on a bar stool?
...is why a company called Advanced Digital Communications, is in the business of exploration and sonar equipment development (apparently, based on what googling I did)?
They have a ship (ships?) capable of deploying both side-scan sonar and UROVs - but they call themselves something that has nothing to do with _what_ they do...
To top it off, they are a Canadian (Toronto) based company, but are currently stationed in Havana, Cuba - and are "exploring" areas apparently "known" to be rich in sunken Spanish galleons, many of which went down with treasure (apparently to "test" their sonar devices). Furthermore, they are in some form of a "joint venture" with the Cuban government, namely Castro...
So, do you think when/if they bring up the gold (and/or get funding for this "lost city" venture), the next step will be the laying of redundant fiber links to Central America and Mexico, and the establishment of a real data vault/haven, ala Cryptonomicon?
I don't think it is gold they are after...
Reason is the Path to God - Anon
LOVECRAFT baby
See his writing s are a clue, to what is really going on MAN.
They were set of the coast of maine to confuse us. But LOVECRAFT really knew what was going Like ON MAN..... Hail the like unspeakable horrers MAN.
Or it's like Plato man. That dude really knew what was going on MAN.
D.A.K.D.A.E.---- Deny all Knowledge, Destroy All Evidence
So your, um, postulating that the Greeks made this 10,000 mile jaunt in what year again?
Who said the Greeks did it? If there was an empire on the other side of the gates, why couldn't they have been the ones to do it?
As to doability - Thor Heyerdahl has done a couple of proofs-of-concept that it could be done, easily, with the technology available in the old world at the time. (And a few generations of wooden sailing ships, different in detail but not much more seaworthy than what was plying the Mediteranian in Plato's time, made an industry out of it a couple centuries ago.)
People do it now in dinghies, kayaks, and rafts, just for the sport. It's not all THAT hard if the weather's right.
There's lots of evidence in the Americas of intermittent contact with the old world through prehistory. There are a couple loops of current, along with prevailing winds, in the Atlantic that will tend to take ships that get blown away from one hemisphere's continents to the other if it happens in the right season and from the right areas. Thor showed that small boats blown off-course could make it, with the people living off the sea for quite a long while.
So there's nothing impossible or inconsistent with current paradigms about an occasionall inter-hemisphere contact bringing news of an advanced American city-state, and its destruction, to southern Europe.
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It seems that someone who was looking for Atlantis in the Carribean found a lot of man-made objects that appeared to form a "road" off an island. They claimed that this was proof of Atlantis.
It turns out that this was the ballist from Spanish ships when they were bringing back gold from South America. They would dump over their garbage to lighten the ship for their voyage.
We need more maybe, could be, wild speculation stories posted on /.
I wonder if they might find some ape skeletons in it along with "pet" human skeletons and we can have another "updated" sequel to the Planet of the Apes ('er Planet of the Humans) series... Tim Burton might be licking his chops now...
I've looked in to the reasons. You, sir, are a moron.
Modern geochronologic techniques can do a lot better than telling the difference between 13, 14, and 15 Ma (million years old). For my own research, I have obtained U-Pb, and 40Ar-39Ar dates from rocks with uncertainties at the 100 ka (thousand year) level.
In any case, as I've said in another post in this thread, the techniques and physics behind geochronology are simple and well-founded. The problems come when the samples themselves are collected and the data interpreted. You may be able to date something, but you have to know what it is that you are dating in order for the result to make sense.
You're welcome.
Atlantis is 'discovered' every few years in the Caribbean and off the Spanish Main when people find Greek columns and similar architectural elements on the sea floor -- forgetting that for centuries 'junk stone' was carried to the West Indies in ballast and dumped offshore there when cargo vessels took on cash cargoes for transport back to Europe...
Well, what do you think, Bugs?
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About what, Fantastic Lad?
How long do you give the fine people of the intellectual elite before this story is rationalized into some explainable, head-in-the-sand, don't need to investigate any further because N respected organization of Y respected debunkers has given the final word with some half-assed smoke & mirrors explanation designed to make it easy to ignore certain worrying ideas. . ?
Hmm. Interesting problem, Fantastic Lad. I'll bet $20 on 1.5 years. That seems to be the amount of time they like to allow rumors to circulate and build up before beginning the propaganda run. -One year allows false concepts and truly ridiculous information to be seeded into the actual story, as well as providing the Learning Channel people, (makers of breast implant 'documentaries' paid for by the medical community which 'debunk' alarmist claims by women who have been disfigured, toxified or otherwise harmed by breast implants.), the time to produce some calming and reasonable sounding bullshit about how there's nothing to see here, move on citizen.
Well, I'll take that bet, Bugs! Except, I'll bet on only 9 months. (Although we might have to turn that $20 into credit slips. I'm not sure how long legal tender will be legal. .
Oh, you're such a cynic, Fantastic Lad! Next you'll be telling me that Iraq will be the next target in the American empire building scam! -And that those airplanes were remote piloted, and that the prayers and notes found written by the box cutters all indicated that they actually thought they were going to be spending time in jail rather than as sky-scraper dust! The terrorists were played, and Bin Laden was set up as a paper tiger!
Oh, Bugs! Oh ho! So you've been dipping into the mountain of research again which strongly suggests foulest play! How many times have I told you to stop doing that? If only you would listen to the accepted news sources, you'll be a much, much happier rabbit. Who cares if you'll drool more? A handi-wipe is all anybody really needs! Now off you go!
Ooh. Silly me! Well off I go! Good Bye, Fantastic Lad!
Good Bye, Bugs!
Stefan
..until I poured hot grits down your pipe.
Do daemons dream of electric sleep()?
It seems to me that the creationist arguement rests mainly on one protest: that any number of processes, from nuclear decay, to cosmic ray production, to sedimentation rates, have varied wildly in the past. Variations in things like cosmic ray production and sedimentation rates are indeed taken into account in modern geologic studies, although these variations are not sufficient to produce results consistent with the young earth hypothesis. As far as variations in the rate of radioactive decay, that is a more serious claim. It should be noted that there have been studies which have tried to document variations in the decay rate of various nuclei. To my knowledge, no variation has ever been found. Moreover, as the creationists recognize, the claim that decay rates can change implies that the speed of light is not a constant. This claim in particular, if true, would invalidate most of modern physics. While philosophically, I have
no problem with the notion that our current understanding of physics is incomplete, I would be suprised if we were wrong at the magnitude suggested.
The depth of the stones in of and itself provides very strong evidence that this was not a city. The stones are either a) of natural origin or b) stones that were being transported when the ships (or rafts or whatever) carrying them sank. As many people have pointed out, there is no credible evidence whatsoever to suggest the rocks where put there 4000BC.
Plato seems to have made up a lot of myths that his characters claimed to have been true, but that were intended by him (Plato) to be taken as illustrative moral lessons. The myth of Er at the end of Republic comes to mind as one example. Atlantis sounds like a utopian version of contemporary Persia when you read the accounts of it.
The stories of Atlantis come up in Critias and Timaeus, two of Plato's early-middle dialogues, when he was still recording Socrates' critiques of morality and ethics (with more or less embellishment depending on who you ask) and they crop up as historical legends designed to teach morality. Atlantis in particular shows what happens when corruption infects mankind.
I don't really see how people can take them all that seriously, to be honest. You might as well take the Legend of Er to be true.
-Seraph
that would probably be the highly advanced and enlightened ancient civilizations that left their primary legacy to the Cubans... how to make those FINE cigars.
Having read the interview if the Russian born engineer, I am impressed by the ability of their sonar to discriminate "white sand" from other colors of sand. Good thing they were using sonar though. Without auxiliary light it's black as the inside of a hat at 3,000 feet below the surface.
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Nope. Or means gold. It comes from the Latin word aurum. Fer means iron. It comes from the Latin word ferrum. Pretty simple really.
My only political goal is to see to it that no political party achieves its goals.
I'm not sure if you're serious or not, but the many Xtian bible versions are mostly a collection of lies and other nonsensical bullshit.
Religion itself, in the western sense, is defined by me as a collection of lies shared among a subgroup of so-called humans. The more common definition of 'religion', though it uses different words, is quite similar.
If they've taken pictures with the robot, why haven't any been released? I'm not saying that there's some crackpot cover-up theory going on, but well if the pictures are there then someone must have posted them somewhere.
Does this make my brain look big?
You are not qualified to speak of carbon dating. You know nothing about it, and apparently would not correctly repeat or even accept anything you could be told about it.
You appear to have been fully indoctrinated, so it is unlikely that you could ever become capable of independant thought. But if you do, and are brave enough to accept the consequences, know this:
In reality, there is no God, or anything approaching it. Never was, never will be.
Some archaeologists believe the first colonization of the Americas was between 30,000 and 15,000 BP. The last ice age was around 10,000 years ago. That gives humans some time to wonder through North American and down into the Caribbean area. Around 100 bc the Arawak made their way up from the Orinoco region of Venezuela and inhabitted the Lesser Antilies until those damn European killed them off =p. There is also evidence of cocaine in Egypt 3,700 bc, the cocoa plant is only found in South America, perhaps trans Atlantic voyage was possible, I don't see why it wouldn't be. There is also a history of seismic activity within the area, on june 7th 1692 Port Royal Jamaica experienced a massive earthquake estimated around 8.0, in which 1/3 of Port Royal vanished underwater... Although 2000 feet seems really deep.
I skimmed over the comments but no one seems to have mentioned the underwater structure found off coast of Okinawa.
I remember seeing the first report on TV in Japan in '92 or so. Thanks to the clear water around Okinawa, this site (?) comes with a lot of impressive pictures.
As usual, try google with ``Okinawa underwater structure''
I always wondered why this discovery does not attract as much attention as other discoveries of underwater structures. I suppose it is because it is not in the Atlantic. Or, you'd have to go half way around the earth beyond the columns (?) of Hercules.
There does not seem to have been an agreement on the nature of the structure, but those pictures are simply mind boggling.
Many posts about this article regarding Atlantis are plan stupid. The best explailnation of the "myth of Atlantis," is that it was a island in the Med, called Thera. On this island, there was a huge volcanic eruption, causing half of the island to submerge. The volcanic eruption was so large, that it might lead to the possible decline of Cretean Civilization (Crete is close to Thera). Some scholars are suggesting that this eruption also parted the Red/Reed Sea ((No one knows which sea moses crossed, but it is probably not the Red Sea) which Moses crossed, but evidence suggest that these events were very far apart. After this eruption, Mycenean Greeks, the ones that live on the mainland, went to Crete and took it over. The evidence of this happening is a introduction of a new writing system, (Linear A/Linear B, I forgot which one). One of them has been translated and is similar to Greece. Atlantis is a myth, it is not a real story.
....ho geeeezzzz....a city right where the Indians in Central America told us it was a long time ago....
Phn'glui mglwnaf Castro Old Havana wgah'nalg fhtagn!
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I saw something similar to this on the discovery channel about a year or so ago. Some explorers had found symmetrical stone blocks laid out in a pattern somewhere off the shore of cuba. It was later concluded that these symmetries were the result of underwater currents that "carved" the stones. Sorry i don't have a link to verify this, cause i couldn't find one.
-Norulez
If the dating can ever be confirmed, this will put "young earthers" into overdrive trying to refute this as some sort of atheist conspiracy.
Maybe the Atlanteans can help Cuba with their "fish shortages".
wait... i think he's on to something... if God created the earth 10,000 years ago, then this "city" must have sunk 2 weeks ago... I'm sure we can figure out where and what it was just 2 weeks ago!! Although, I'm still waiting to see why the dinosaurs went extinct the week before...
You are a fucking dipshit.
Suck magma, assmaggot.
Suck magma, assmaggot.
Congratulations!
You have just won the coveted, 2001 Lad Award for Excellence in Knuckledragging and Maintenance of Least Active Grey Matter!
Bravo!
That's right, Bob! Every year we present an award to the contestant for presenting us with the least intelligent response! Imagine if you will, the frustration experienced by our contestant when he found it impossible to formulate even the simplest words, being reduced to red-faced sputtering! A fabulous example of low-brow simple-mindedness! Back to you, Dale!
(Contestant: Please continue to the urine testing center where you will be examined for Lead Poisoning. --We can't allow for unfair advantage among contestants, now can we?)
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also on another archaeological note: geometric relationship of some sites in Nova Scotia 6010
whorl.da.ru
I believe it is only in region 2 (Ack!) and in french. Someone post a reply to correct me if it has english tracks or subtitles.
I saw it somewhere for 189.00 USD, and yet a quick search reveals:
this!
So it has gone down a bit in price...
My guess is that you don't really want the answer to the question that you ask. My guess is that you are a pedantic fuck who feels morally superior by parsing up people's grammer.
And it is so pathetic in that these people don't care and will never know.
And you won't ever read this. . .
so how pathetic am I for posting this.
In reality, they pick a range of numbers that they feel comfortable with, then sift through dating methods until one or more fall within that range. Sometimes they have to date stuff many times to get ``reliable'' dates. (-:
How many of you seriously believe that a city would sink four inches per year, every year, since it was built, and that people capable of building such a city would also be thick enough to build it where it would sink?
Going Devil's Advocate for myself, the white cliffs of Dover have crumbled back many miles during recorded history, and whole towns have gone over the brink, leaving no trace. OTOH, Medievel architects had nothing on (e.g) the pyramid builders or Incas in terms like ``scale'' (using stone blocks (Andesite, in some places) weighing thousands of tonnes) or ``alignment'' (the pyramids have settled evenly (to within less than 2 inches) across their whole base in the thousands of years since they were built). If only modern builders were 1% as good!
Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
They found Ryleh. Nobody open that big black door.
This story in the Globe and Mail smacks of an earlier and very similar one I saw months ago on the Discovery Channel about a "sunken city" found off the coast of Japan, with "geometric structures, pyramids, and symmetries". Can't find the link to it now, but here's another link about the same site, with pics (he's gone overboard with some illustration & speculation, but you get the picture). The point is, a geologist visited the site and concluded that they were just naturally-formed blocks and structures. Being in geology myself, I can say with some certainty that structures with sharp edges, pyramids, or other seeminly man-made geometries can form on earth and on other planets. This may quite possibly be the case with this discovery in Cuba.
But the important thing is not to jump to too many conclusions of "Atlantis", "6000 years old" or "Rise, Cthulu, RISE!! "; I noticed that my compatriots investigating the site are being cautious in their wording, which is excellent. I wish them luck (and funding); interesting that this is one opportunity that US groups have lost out on because of the typical US government stance towards Cuba.
I beg to differ, "D'Or" means "of Gold".
lAst pOSt, byatches!
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*Yawn* Borring. Didnt you know that was Atlantis?
I saw that a few months ago on the Discovery Channel...
:)
If you'll look at the parent of my post, you'll see that I was correcting some silly anonymous coward who claimed that "d'or" meant "of iron." I never claimed such a thing.
My only political goal is to see to it that no political party achieves its goals.
I was fucking saying that the fucking shit could be natural shit or man made shit, depending on what the fuck they found after further investifuckingation. I also pointed out that geologic shit happens all the time and sometimes for a long fucking time and I gave some fucking shit to back that shit up.
By the way... don't take that as a flame... I just couldn't resist the translation from enlish to profane :-)... and if you aren't amused, well... joke you if you can't take a fuck.
Big Cheers!
Carl