>>>mpaa.org site immediately got stopped by NoScript
Really? Noscript didn't flat anything. Of course I have it set for "temporarily allow top-level domains by default" and "allow 2nd level domains". Hmmmm..... I like where it provides a link to get TV shows/movies online legally including sites like Hulu and TheWB.com - worth bookmarking.
>>>>>either WE will impose population limits, or nature will do it for us (via starvation in the cities). >> >>If your scarceness scare becomes reality the population will thin itself.
LISTEN UP JACKASS. I've been out of work since mid-2009. Why? Because the fucking jobs are going to fucking foreigners IMPORTED BY COMPANIES only paying them $15-20/hour. That's why. REVOKE Their Damn Visas, so priority is given to American engineers.
Either that or enjoy watching me suck $550/week of unemployment out of your paycheck every week!
DUH. I'll be modded down, but I don't care. I'm sick and tired of not being unable to find a job, and yet seeing Indian and Chinese engineers with big grins on their faces and bragging about how "I just arrive in US on 2-year visa!" Damn treasonous fucks in government. Cancel the visas and hire your OWN countrymen.
>>>the more prosperous a country becomes, the lower the birthrates
Yeah unless the government, like Japan's, does something stupid like paying people to have babies. As for moving off-world, there really is no place else to go except possibly Mars, and it doesn't exactly have lakes of free oil for its settlers to burn so they'd be dependent upon Earth for many centuries.
I'm glad you have faith in a Magical solution popping out of nowhere, but I don't. Nothing we've come up with so far would sustain the US or EU's ~800 million persons at the current standards.
>>>it becomes economically viable to use non-fossile sources for all our hydrocarbon needs.
Like what? What could you possibly replace oil in the Trucks and Trains that move food/goods across the continent, and for less than $30/gallon? (And before you say hydrogen - virtually all of it comes from reformed oil, which will of course be scarce.) .
>>>Oh, and for nature to impose population limits for us she better start working now, because we're nowhere short of stopping technological advancements allowing us to be more than ever before, in increasingly smaller spaces.
Or not. You can't know that. We were supposed to have flying highways/cars by now, and yet they never happened. And unlimited energy that was free - that never happened either. As for Nature - it only took 2 years for it to decimate Europe to 1/3rd its previous population during the Black Plague. (The continent had been over-populated and barely surviving.) .
>>>By year 3000, we'll be a hundred billion people
Asimov described that future in Caves of Steel. He also described the hellish existence (people lived in dorms), and how they were experiencing an energy crisis because the earth was running out of . Just as stars eventually run out of fuel (and collapse) so too do planets.
1/3rd of English is French and the other 1/3rd is Latin, making it about 2/3rd Romance and 1/3rd Germanic. You would have a very difficult time composing an English sentence without using any Rome-originated words.
That's what it would mean in the US, if a state did not assent to the Constitution. Example: For a few years Rhode Island had dropped away from the US, even though it had previously been part of the US Independence movement and Articles of Confederation. RI became independent.
I like how you twist it around to blame me, when it's your OWN laziness. I told you to look at wikipedia for SCOTUS cases, but for some reason you expect me to waste MY time doing YOUR research. I don't need to do the research, because I've already done it. Now it's YOUR turn. (No wonder professors get frustrated with students.)
And one of the top links discusses the death threat protection, which you could have found yourself if you had bothered to do even 5 minutes of student-level research. "Prosecutors charged Watts with violating a federal law that prohibits threats against the president. Watts countered that his statement was a form of crude political opposition. A federal jury convicted Watts of a felony for violating the law and a federal appeals court affirmed his conviction. On appeal, the Supreme Court reversed, ruling that Watts' statement was political hyperbole." (1969) And there are SEVERAL more examples along that line.
First Amendment provides protection. It clearly says no speech shall be abridged by Congress. The end. No inferior law can overrule that superior law, according to our longest-serving Chief Justice John Marshall.
>>>They're gonna feel like fools when the doom and gloom prophesies don't pan out.
Not really. Even if 2100 arrives and nothing terrible has happened, they'll still benefit from a smaller population and abundant food supply. So it's a win-win solution.
In fact I think population control, like China's 1 baby per family, will eventually become necessary... especially after oil becomes scarce and skyrockets to $1000/barrel (~$30/gallon of gasoline). Simply put either WE will impose population limits, or nature will do it for us (via starvation in the cities).
Well if you WANT to see American engineers and factory workers' wages drop to $5/hour and $1/hour respectively (in order to compete with cheap Indian and Asian labor), that's cool. You're free to hold any viewpoint you want.
I just don't happen to agree with that position. We should be forcing these other countries to have basic workers' rights, rather than smashing them underfoot like cattle in a slaughterhouse. (See the 100+ suicides/murders at Foxconn.)
>>>Wait - so the companies are bad for not being competitive enough but it is okay when you don't want competition?
No.
Strawman argument. Don't put words in my mouth I did not say.
I said IEEE was bad because they are supposed to represent the engineers, and instead are representing the companies (pushing to import cheap labor) which eventually hurts Americans who are unemployed and can't find work. So I stopped sending IEEE money. As is my right. Maybe more people should do that, rather than support organizations (like RIAA, MPAA) that are backstabbing citizens.
>>>cheap labor argument does not apply in software engineering
Right. I guess Apple and Microsoft and IBM are moving their software development over to cheaper countries because..... what.... for fun? C'mon. I know you're not that dumb as to believe that "cheap labor don't apply to software" statement. They do it because the programmers are one-half to 2/3rd cheaper.
>>>These Temp Labors you are talking about work in the field under the sun
Someone doesn't know how to read. I was discussing IEEE articles, which were specifically about importing more TECH workers for Microsoft, GM, and so forth, not potato farmers. And yes if you double the supply (via imported workers), than that means the price goes down for the hiring companies. ECON101. That's what they - to drive down wages.
Ahhh the Apple Fanbots strike again, trying to censor posts via moderation. I don't agree with you (Jobs isn't the only cheap CEO), but neither do I think you should have your Karma damaged or post made invisible. All ideas should be welcome
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Collusion of any kind should never be allowed, as it distorts freedom and hurts consumers (and workers).
One of the reasons I quit IEEE is because I got tired of reading articles from them about how the government needs to allow more H1B1 visas to hire foreign engineers/programmers. Clearly IEEE was colluding with corporations and representing their interests. Why would I want to face competition from Temp Engineers willing to work at $15/hour? If companies face a shortage, let them hire some unemployed or fresh-out-of-college Americans rather than import workers. So I stepped sending money to IEEE.
Ditto. I don't mind that Ubuntu moved the windows gadgets to the left, and quickly adapted where most people my age bitch and moan about it. (Although I do think it was a pointless; there's nothing gained by the change.)
I've also noticed the same thing in music where people my age refuse to listen to the latest songs, but instead insist upon switching to the oldies 90s or 80s station. I like 90s/80s but it's not really any better than 2000s stuff - just nostalgic. Their brains have calcified, and they refuse to try something new, instead choosing to call it "crap"
Force? There's no force involved. I *choose* to allow individuals to join the KKK because it protects my rights too. For example I can walk up to a KKK guy and say, "You racist bastard," which is probably illegal in Canada but called "free speech" in the US. Se, by protecting the KKK individual, I also protect my individual rights.
What was it that German Christian pastor said in the 1940s? "First they came for the racists & gypsies but I did not speak, because I'm not racist nor gypsy. Then they came for the Jews but I did not care because I'm not jew. Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak." By speaking out and protecting lesser groups or hated groups, we protect all of us.
Finally:
The US is not a democracy (tyranny of the majority to squash the minority underfoot) like Canada. It is a Republic that protects the right of the Individual from suppression by his government. And that protection applies to *everyone*
>>>Or, looking at it another way, a single language was used to enforce the control of a privileged minority who trampled the rights and freedoms of people across an entire continent.
True, but by 200 AD everyone was a Roman citizen regardless if they were in Rome or 1000 miles away in Britain. That unity & sharing of ideas via a universal tongue allowed them to enjoy a prosperity never seen before, or afterwards (dark ages)
>>>If it is abolished, you get a flood of BS and trolling, hiding every interesting post.
I still consider that a lesser problem than censorship. Example: Look what happens to people that don't toe the line and instead say, "I don't like Apples because it won't run ___ software that I need." The post quickly gets modded into invisibility by the Apple defenders. I don't consider that state of affairs acceptable, and would rather kill moderation, even if it meant dealing with a one-per-day kook post.
>>>These companies and its bosses have to grow some. If I was a boss, or it was my own company, I'd implement Linux. Period.
Yeah can tell you've never worked in the real world. When you have a ~90,000 dollar mortgage you need to pay, plus a wife nagging you to redo the kitchen or upgrade to an SUV because it's "safer" for the children, you will do whatever it takes to hang onto your job. If that means sticking to "safe" decisions like IBM PCs and Windows, instead of adopting Macs, or Linux, than that's what you do.
If you don't choose the safe decision, then you end up like the CIO (forced resignation).
>>>in the meantime they deploy web-based email software instead of Outlook, and Openoffice version which apparently wasn't able to run presentations, I don't know who's to blame here.
Sounds like they did things bassbackwards. When migrating to Linux, it should be a two step process:
- Switch to all open-source apps (OpenOffice, Firefox, etc) while still using the familiar Windows environment - Then switch to open-source a year or two later, while still keeping the same apps
Step 1 is where the real cost savings come from (imho) .
>>>Fine if less language is better learn French and stop using English.
I'd rather we all go back to the root language, Roman Latin. Or even better - let languages evolve naturally rather than outlaw English in certain jurisdictions and make Anglophones feels like second class shits that should get the hell out of Quebec or France. (Been there; experienced it myself.)
. >>>Multiple languages promote innovation and diversity, I like that better.
Citation please. History shows the exact opposite, where multiple languages promote distrust of "that strange-speaking guy" and eventually war over trivialities like "he don't speak right".
I never said assault was protected speech. Please learn to read. The relevant Supreme Court cases dealt with the race riots of the 60s and early 70s. During these riots certain black men and white men said things to one another, and were sued for issuing death threats. The SCOTUS reviewed the cases upon appeal and determined that "during the course of political protests, speech can become heated" but is nevertheless protected by the First Amendment. The men were let go without punishment.
They also ruled the death threat is not protected if the person is armed, because then it's not just speech, but also a clear and present danger.
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>>>mpaa.org site immediately got stopped by NoScript
Really? Noscript didn't flat anything. Of course I have it set for "temporarily allow top-level domains by default" and "allow 2nd level domains". Hmmmm..... I like where it provides a link to get TV shows/movies online legally including sites like Hulu and TheWB.com - worth bookmarking.
>>>>>either WE will impose population limits, or nature will do it for us (via starvation in the cities).
>>
>>If your scarceness scare becomes reality the population will thin itself.
I said that.
LISTEN UP JACKASS. I've been out of work since mid-2009. Why? Because the fucking jobs are going to fucking foreigners IMPORTED BY COMPANIES only paying them $15-20/hour. That's why. REVOKE Their Damn Visas, so priority is given to American engineers.
Either that or enjoy watching me suck $550/week of unemployment out of your paycheck every week!
DUH. I'll be modded down, but I don't care. I'm sick and tired of not being unable to find a job, and yet seeing Indian and Chinese engineers with big grins on their faces and bragging about how "I just arrive in US on 2-year visa!" Damn treasonous fucks in government. Cancel the visas and hire your OWN countrymen.
>>>the more prosperous a country becomes, the lower the birthrates
Yeah unless the government, like Japan's, does something stupid like paying people to have babies. As for moving off-world, there really is no place else to go except possibly Mars, and it doesn't exactly have lakes of free oil for its settlers to burn so they'd be dependent upon Earth for many centuries.
I'm glad you have faith in a Magical solution popping out of nowhere, but I don't. Nothing we've come up with so far would sustain the US or EU's ~800 million persons at the current standards.
>>>it becomes economically viable to use non-fossile sources for all our hydrocarbon needs.
Like what? What could you possibly replace oil in the Trucks and Trains that move food/goods across the continent, and for less than $30/gallon? (And before you say hydrogen - virtually all of it comes from reformed oil, which will of course be scarce.)
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>>>Oh, and for nature to impose population limits for us she better start working now, because we're nowhere short of stopping technological advancements allowing us to be more than ever before, in increasingly smaller spaces.
Or not. You can't know that. We were supposed to have flying highways/cars by now, and yet they never happened. And unlimited energy that was free - that never happened either. As for Nature - it only took 2 years for it to decimate Europe to 1/3rd its previous population during the Black Plague. (The continent had been over-populated and barely surviving.)
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>>>By year 3000, we'll be a hundred billion people
Asimov described that future in Caves of Steel. He also described the hellish existence (people lived in dorms), and how they were experiencing an energy crisis because the earth was running out of . Just as stars eventually run out of fuel (and collapse) so too do planets.
1/3rd of English is French and the other 1/3rd is Latin, making it about 2/3rd Romance and 1/3rd Germanic. You would have a very difficult time composing an English sentence without using any Rome-originated words.
Does that make Quebec its own independent State?
That's what it would mean in the US, if a state did not assent to the Constitution. Example: For a few years Rhode Island had dropped away from the US, even though it had previously been part of the US Independence movement and Articles of Confederation. RI became independent.
I like how you twist it around to blame me, when it's your OWN laziness. I told you to look at wikipedia for SCOTUS cases, but for some reason you expect me to waste MY time doing YOUR research. I don't need to do the research, because I've already done it. Now it's YOUR turn. (No wonder professors get frustrated with students.)
HERE: http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=U.S.+supreme+court+rulings+first+amendment+threats
And one of the top links discusses the death threat protection, which you could have found yourself if you had bothered to do even 5 minutes of student-level research. "Prosecutors charged Watts with violating a federal law that prohibits threats against the president. Watts countered that his statement was a form of crude political opposition. A federal jury convicted Watts of a felony for violating the law and a federal appeals court affirmed his conviction. On appeal, the Supreme Court reversed, ruling that Watts' statement was political hyperbole." (1969) And there are SEVERAL more examples along that line.
First Amendment provides protection. It clearly says no speech shall be abridged by Congress. The end. No inferior law can overrule that superior law, according to our longest-serving Chief Justice John Marshall.
>>>They're gonna feel like fools when the doom and gloom prophesies don't pan out.
Not really. Even if 2100 arrives and nothing terrible has happened, they'll still benefit from a smaller population and abundant food supply. So it's a win-win solution.
In fact I think population control, like China's 1 baby per family, will eventually become necessary... especially after oil becomes scarce and skyrockets to $1000/barrel (~$30/gallon of gasoline). Simply put either WE will impose population limits, or nature will do it for us (via starvation in the cities).
Well if you WANT to see American engineers and factory workers' wages drop to $5/hour and $1/hour respectively (in order to compete with cheap Indian and Asian labor), that's cool. You're free to hold any viewpoint you want.
I just don't happen to agree with that position. We should be forcing these other countries to have basic workers' rights, rather than smashing them underfoot like cattle in a slaughterhouse. (See the 100+ suicides/murders at Foxconn.)
>>>Wait - so the companies are bad for not being competitive enough but it is okay when you don't want competition?
No.
Strawman argument. Don't put words in my mouth I did not say.
I said IEEE was bad because they are supposed to represent the engineers, and instead are representing the companies (pushing to import cheap labor) which eventually hurts Americans who are unemployed and can't find work. So I stopped sending IEEE money. As is my right. Maybe more people should do that, rather than support organizations (like RIAA, MPAA) that are backstabbing citizens.
>>>cheap labor argument does not apply in software engineering
Right. I guess Apple and Microsoft and IBM are moving their software development over to cheaper countries because..... what.... for fun? C'mon. I know you're not that dumb as to believe that "cheap labor don't apply to software" statement. They do it because the programmers are one-half to 2/3rd cheaper.
>>>These Temp Labors you are talking about work in the field under the sun
Someone doesn't know how to read. I was discussing IEEE articles, which were specifically about importing more TECH workers for Microsoft, GM, and so forth, not potato farmers. And yes if you double the supply (via imported workers), than that means the price goes down for the hiring companies. ECON101. That's what they - to drive down wages.
Ahhh the Apple Fanbots strike again, trying to censor posts via moderation. I don't agree with you (Jobs isn't the only cheap CEO), but neither do I think you should have your Karma damaged or post made invisible. All ideas should be welcome .
I hope you're being sarcastic.
Collusion of any kind should never be allowed, as it distorts freedom and hurts consumers (and workers).
One of the reasons I quit IEEE is because I got tired of reading articles from them about how the government needs to allow more H1B1 visas to hire foreign engineers/programmers. Clearly IEEE was colluding with corporations and representing their interests. Why would I want to face competition from Temp Engineers willing to work at $15/hour? If companies face a shortage, let them hire some unemployed or fresh-out-of-college Americans rather than import workers. So I stepped sending money to IEEE.
Ditto. I don't mind that Ubuntu moved the windows gadgets to the left, and quickly adapted where most people my age bitch and moan about it. (Although I do think it was a pointless; there's nothing gained by the change.)
I've also noticed the same thing in music where people my age refuse to listen to the latest songs, but instead insist upon switching to the oldies 90s or 80s station. I like 90s/80s but it's not really any better than 2000s stuff - just nostalgic. Their brains have calcified, and they refuse to try something new, instead choosing to call it "crap"
Force? There's no force involved. I *choose* to allow individuals to join the KKK because it protects my rights too. For example I can walk up to a KKK guy and say, "You racist bastard," which is probably illegal in Canada but called "free speech" in the US. Se, by protecting the KKK individual, I also protect my individual rights.
What was it that German Christian pastor said in the 1940s? "First they came for the racists & gypsies but I did not speak, because I'm not racist nor gypsy. Then they came for the Jews but I did not care because I'm not jew. Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak." By speaking out and protecting lesser groups or hated groups, we protect all of us.
Finally:
The US is not a democracy (tyranny of the majority to squash the minority underfoot) like Canada. It is a Republic that protects the right of the Individual from suppression by his government. And that protection applies to *everyone*
>>>Or, looking at it another way, a single language was used to enforce the control of a privileged minority who trampled the rights and freedoms of people across an entire continent.
True, but by 200 AD everyone was a Roman citizen regardless if they were in Rome or 1000 miles away in Britain. That unity & sharing of ideas via a universal tongue allowed them to enjoy a prosperity never seen before, or afterwards (dark ages)
>>>If it is abolished, you get a flood of BS and trolling, hiding every interesting post.
I still consider that a lesser problem than censorship. Example: Look what happens to people that don't toe the line and instead say, "I don't like Apples because it won't run ___ software that I need." The post quickly gets modded into invisibility by the Apple defenders. I don't consider that state of affairs acceptable, and would rather kill moderation, even if it meant dealing with a one-per-day kook post.
>>>5 year olds can use Linux/GNOME/OpenOffice. So what's the problem with adults?
Their brains have calcified (i.e. they lost the ability to learn or accept new things).
>>>These companies and its bosses have to grow some. If I was a boss, or it was my own company, I'd implement Linux. Period.
Yeah can tell you've never worked in the real world. When you have a ~90,000 dollar mortgage you need to pay, plus a wife nagging you to redo the kitchen or upgrade to an SUV because it's "safer" for the children, you will do whatever it takes to hang onto your job. If that means sticking to "safe" decisions like IBM PCs and Windows, instead of adopting Macs, or Linux, than that's what you do.
If you don't choose the safe decision, then you end up like the CIO (forced resignation).
.
>>>in the meantime they deploy web-based email software instead of Outlook, and Openoffice version which apparently wasn't able to run presentations, I don't know who's to blame here.
Sounds like they did things bassbackwards. When migrating to Linux, it should be a two step process:
- Switch to all open-source apps (OpenOffice, Firefox, etc) while still using the familiar Windows environment
- Then switch to open-source a year or two later, while still keeping the same apps
Step 1 is where the real cost savings come from (imho)
.
>>>Fine if less language is better learn French and stop using English.
I'd rather we all go back to the root language, Roman Latin. Or even better - let languages evolve naturally rather than outlaw English in certain jurisdictions and make Anglophones feels like second class shits that should get the hell out of Quebec or France. (Been there; experienced it myself.)
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>>>Multiple languages promote innovation and diversity, I like that better.
Citation please. History shows the exact opposite, where multiple languages promote distrust of "that strange-speaking guy" and eventually war over trivialities like "he don't speak right".
>>>The definition of assault
I never said assault was protected speech. Please learn to read. The relevant Supreme Court cases dealt with the race riots of the 60s and early 70s. During these riots certain black men and white men said things to one another, and were sued for issuing death threats. The SCOTUS reviewed the cases upon appeal and determined that "during the course of political protests, speech can become heated" but is nevertheless protected by the First Amendment. The men were let go without punishment.
They also ruled the death threat is not protected if the person is armed, because then it's not just speech, but also a clear and present danger.
I discovered it on Wikipedia which summarizes tons of Supreme Court cases. You can do the research yourself
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