The right to free speech. When a UK iPod owner had his device suddenly start smoking and then burn-up, Apple initially denied the problem existed by blaming the owner for abuse. Then they reconsidered an offered him a refund, but only if he signs a lifelong gag order (non-disclosure agreement). They muzzled him.
Granted this is standard practice with most corporations, but it doesn't make it moral. It's the equivalent to if Toyota told the people that testified before Congress, "You are not allowed to discuss how your car refused to stop," and therefore they could not answer Congresses' questions. It's treating citizens like Serfs rather than humans with rights.
>>>I think it's more likely that the retail shops are pawning it off as Apple's doing. It's probably just what they've been told to say. If you asked corporate of those stores, they'd probably justify it by saying "Apple forced us to by not letting us have enough of a margin on the product, so we need to sell accessories or we're practically selling them at a loss!" >>>
You're probably right. If some store told me I "have" to buy accessories, the conversation would probably go like this:
ME: "No. Now here's your $500 cash plus $30 for tax." CLERK:"But sir you must buy accessories." ME: (opening coat to reveal concealed gun)* - "No I don't. You have the money. I have my phone. We're done here."
And walk out the door with my phone. I will not be forced to buy things I do not want to buy, especially when the store, Apple, or whoever is in violation of consumer protection laws. I will buy my iPad and nothing more.
* *(Before you freak out, I have a concealed carry permit issued by the government.)
>>>OPEC decides how much we should pay and supplies that much
OPEC only generates 30% of the world's supply. So no OPEC doesn't "decide" the price, because they are just one piece of the market. If they charge too much, we have other cheaper options like Russia, Canada, and so on. It's equivalent to if Microsoft turned stupid & started charging $100 for Internet Explorer - people would simply jump ship to a cheaper browser.
The price of gasoline is not affected because this spill has no affect whatsoever on the refineries in Texas. They are still collecting oil from Saudi tankers and still pumping out gasoline, diesel, kerosene, and so on.
Also, and this is just personal opinion, I think people that believe in conspiracy theories (9/11 was a planned demolition, etc) are whackjobs. Why believe in outlandish complicated scenarios when the simplest answer is staring you right in the face? Supply-and-demand. That's why prices fluctuate .
The right to free speech. When a UK iPod owner had his device suddenly start smoking and then burn-up, Apple initially denied the problem existed by blaming the owner for abuse. Then they reconsidered an offered him a refund, but only if he signs a lifelong gag order (non-disclosure agreement).
If some store told me I "have" to buy accessories, the conversation would probably go like this: ME: "No. Now here's your $500 cash plus $30 for tax." CLERK:"But sir you must buy accessories." ME: (opening coat to reveal concealed gun)* "No I don't. You have the money. I have my phone. We're done here."
And walk out the door with my phone. I will not be forced to do things I do not want to do, especially when the store, Apple, or whoever is in violation of consumer protection laws.
* *(Before you freak out, I have a concealed carry permit issued by the government.)
This isn't a WW2 scenario, because in WW2 we were being invaded by Germans (via submarines sinking our ships and spies blowing-up targets internally) and invasion by Japanese (attacked Hawaii and Alaska). Iraq was not invading our territory. WE are the ones doing the invading. We have no business being there. We are the Nazis in your scenario.
First off I don't blame the soldiers. I blame the U.S. Congress and both presidents for putting them in that shitty situation. We have no business going to war simply because ~1500 people died on 9/11. That isn't even that great of a loss (more people die in a single month just from car accidents), and the war will only create a next generation of tettorists s the kids with dead parents grow-up hating Americans.
Second regardless of the content of the video, it should still be released so the People (the ultimate holders of authority) can see it with their own eyes, and decide if the war being fought is worthwhile. If the People decide it is not, as happened with Vietnam, then we withdraw. If the People decide the job being done is good, then we continue.
In either case the decision should be with the Citizens, and the release of videos like these help make that decision. The government has no right to censor what we see. They are not our Plantation Masters, and we are not Serfs to be treated like idiots.
I visited my college recently and with all the girls and guys running-around almost naked, I wondered if I had stumbled into a soft porn convention. (And reminding myself, "I'm a married man; I'm a married man.") This generation doesn't seem to be as shy as my generation (90s) was, probably because they are used to being seen (via webcams). Although most of them prefer silent texting, when they do make voice calls they'll probably use the new video chat, so they can see their friends.
It's just that my hatred for MS has been burning longer (since the 80s), that's all. I started hating Apple when they started locking-out customers from installing apps or OSes, and making exploding iPod owners sign non-disclosure agreements. And Google..... well just a few months ago actually.
I thought so too, but then when he said, "One part of the internet make it less safe for the rest of us," I realized he really does think pornsites are bad, in the same way politicians say having a red-light district is bad for the whole city, and then bulldoze those blocks.
>>>only ethically bad people use pornography, right?
Wrong. Sex is not a crime - it's perfectly natural. It includes both bad and good people. - As for the danger I think you should be okay if you stick to safe sites like www.domai.com or www.google.com which either don't link to other sites, or else filter out the crap (google blocks dangerous sites). And of course keep your NoScript on. Plus Web of Trust for dual protection.
Check out this video of a worker committing suicide on May 11. She's so exhausted that she can barely walk! She looks like she's on the verge of collapse, and probably jumped just to escape the neverending workload:
>>>You can't transition to a "post-scarcity" economy without putting a few people out of work
What do you feed the machines after the oil wells start to run dry (already in progress), and oil skyrockets to $500 or more per barrel (after 2020)? I wouldn't describe that as post-scarcity.
Aside -
I think the world is overpopulated. I also think that's the prime reason pollution is a problem - we're sitting in our own filth. If the world only had 1 billion (like the year 1800) that problem would disappear.
Everyone in this thread seems to be turning this TRAGIC story into a joke, and I don't get it.
The workers weren't killing themselves for fun. They were killing themselves because Foxconn no longer allows them to take breaks. And Foxconn tells the workers they must work over 60 hours each week, even though it's technically illegal. The workers kill themselves because they are mentally & physically exhausted, and they see death as an escape. Yes it's irrational but after you work an 80 hour week, almost nonstop, let's see how irrational you become.
Foxconn is blaming the workers, when they should be blaming themselves for tyrannically abusing their underlings. In either the EU or US these executives would already find themselves sitting in front of judge.
Fuzzy? It seems clear-cut to me. That was their land. It was guaranteed to them by treaty. The treaty and law was upheld by the highest court in the land. Nobody had any right to remove them from it.
You missed the part where I also slammed FDR, who is very similar to modern democrats, and committed the same crime (removing innocents from their homes).
As for the early 1800 democrats, they were more akin to the Libertarian Party today. They followed the Constitution to the letter, and advocated nullifying unconstitutional laws (like the Fugitive Slave Act). Almost none of the modern R's or D's follow the constitution, or even bother to read it.
>>>>>"COMCAST SUCKS-my analog cable for $64/month was phased out. The new digital cable requires boxes for my 4 sets. Cost $85" >> >>The Invisible Hand of The Free Market just gave you The Finger.
The Government gave comcast an exclusive monopoly. How is that a "free" liberated market? It isn't of course. The government needs to stop handing-out these monopolies.
You cite one city/suburb in California and extrapolate that to the whole continent? Interesting. Well the U.S. DOT collects more money from gasoline taxes than it spends on interstate maintenance. The surplus is then returned to the Congress for other uses. In my home state, road taxes are so high that they actually fund the MATA rail system. So road drivers are subsidizing cheap tickets for non-drivers.
Back to point - If you don't drive on the roads, you don't pay the tax which builds said roads. Likewise if you don't send mail, you don't pay the tax (stamp) that funds the post office. That's how it should be. You should only pay for what you use.
No. It's called an OPINION. Please learn the difference moderator. You don't have to like my opinion, but you don't have to punish me by subtracting points either. Learn tolerance .
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>>>Name one civil liberty that apple has raped.
The right to free speech. When a UK iPod owner had his device suddenly start smoking and then burn-up, Apple initially denied the problem existed by blaming the owner for abuse. Then they reconsidered an offered him a refund, but only if he signs a lifelong gag order (non-disclosure agreement). They muzzled him.
Granted this is standard practice with most corporations, but it doesn't make it moral. It's the equivalent to if Toyota told the people that testified before Congress, "You are not allowed to discuss how your car refused to stop," and therefore they could not answer Congresses' questions. It's treating citizens like Serfs rather than humans with rights.
>>>I think it's more likely that the retail shops are pawning it off as Apple's doing. It's probably just what they've been told to say. If you asked corporate of those stores, they'd probably justify it by saying "Apple forced us to by not letting us have enough of a margin on the product, so we need to sell accessories or we're practically selling them at a loss!"
>>>
You're probably right. If some store told me I "have" to buy accessories, the conversation would probably go like this:
ME: "No. Now here's your $500 cash plus $30 for tax."
CLERK:"But sir you must buy accessories."
ME: (opening coat to reveal concealed gun)* - "No I don't. You have the money. I have my phone. We're done here."
And walk out the door with my phone. I will not be forced to buy things I do not want to buy, especially when the store, Apple, or whoever is in violation of consumer protection laws. I will buy my iPad and nothing more.
*
*(Before you freak out, I have a concealed carry permit issued by the government.)
How does showing the gun holstered on my hip "threaten" anybody? It has not been aimed, or even unsheathed. It's simply there.
>>>OPEC decides how much we should pay and supplies that much
OPEC only generates 30% of the world's supply. So no OPEC doesn't "decide" the price, because they are just one piece of the market. If they charge too much, we have other cheaper options like Russia, Canada, and so on. It's equivalent to if Microsoft turned stupid & started charging $100 for Internet Explorer - people would simply jump ship to a cheaper browser.
The price of gasoline is not affected because this spill has no affect whatsoever on the refineries in Texas. They are still collecting oil from Saudi tankers and still pumping out gasoline, diesel, kerosene, and so on.
Also, and this is just personal opinion, I think people that believe in conspiracy theories (9/11 was a planned demolition, etc) are whackjobs. Why believe in outlandish complicated scenarios when the simplest answer is staring you right in the face? Supply-and-demand. That's why prices fluctuate
.
The right to free speech. When a UK iPod owner had his device suddenly start smoking and then burn-up, Apple initially denied the problem existed by blaming the owner for abuse. Then they reconsidered an offered him a refund, but only if he signs a lifelong gag order (non-disclosure agreement).
If some store told me I "have" to buy accessories, the conversation would probably go like this:
ME: "No. Now here's your $500 cash plus $30 for tax."
CLERK:"But sir you must buy accessories."
ME: (opening coat to reveal concealed gun)* "No I don't. You have the money. I have my phone. We're done here."
And walk out the door with my phone. I will not be forced to do things I do not want to do, especially when the store, Apple, or whoever is in violation of consumer protection laws.
*
*(Before you freak out, I have a concealed carry permit issued by the government.)
This isn't a WW2 scenario, because in WW2 we were being invaded by Germans (via submarines sinking our ships and spies blowing-up targets internally) and invasion by Japanese (attacked Hawaii and Alaska). Iraq was not invading our territory. WE are the ones doing the invading. We have no business being there. We are the Nazis in your scenario.
First off I don't blame the soldiers. I blame the U.S. Congress and both presidents for putting them in that shitty situation. We have no business going to war simply because ~1500 people died on 9/11. That isn't even that great of a loss (more people die in a single month just from car accidents), and the war will only create a next generation of tettorists s the kids with dead parents grow-up hating Americans.
Second regardless of the content of the video, it should still be released so the People (the ultimate holders of authority) can see it with their own eyes, and decide if the war being fought is worthwhile. If the People decide it is not, as happened with Vietnam, then we withdraw. If the People decide the job being done is good, then we continue.
In either case the decision should be with the Citizens, and the release of videos like these help make that decision. The government has no right to censor what we see. They are not our Plantation Masters, and we are not Serfs to be treated like idiots.
And many aren't.
I visited my college recently and with all the girls and guys running-around almost naked, I wondered if I had stumbled into a soft porn convention. (And reminding myself, "I'm a married man; I'm a married man.") This generation doesn't seem to be as shy as my generation (90s) was, probably because they are used to being seen (via webcams). Although most of them prefer silent texting, when they do make voice calls they'll probably use the new video chat, so they can see their friends.
And when the plutonium runs out (or becomes scarce and more expensive than gold) around the year 2050, what then?
No I pretty much hate all megacorps.....
It's just that my hatred for MS has been burning longer (since the 80s), that's all. I started hating Apple when they started locking-out customers from installing apps or OSes, and making exploding iPod owners sign non-disclosure agreements. And Google..... well just a few months ago actually.
>>>That's what SHE said.
If you really want to satisfy a woman, bring a vibrator. Machines are faster then men.
I thought so too, but then when he said, "One part of the internet make it less safe for the rest of us," I realized he really does think pornsites are bad, in the same way politicians say having a red-light district is bad for the whole city, and then bulldoze those blocks.
No doubt the professors/ researchers got some volunteers from the local coed community.
(blinks)
So where was this site again?
Yeah as long as you don't mount, you should be okay.
>>>only ethically bad people use pornography, right?
Wrong. Sex is not a crime - it's perfectly natural. It includes both bad and good people. - As for the danger I think you should be okay if you stick to safe sites like www.domai.com or www.google.com which either don't link to other sites, or else filter out the crap (google blocks dangerous sites). And of course keep your NoScript on. Plus Web of Trust for dual protection.
Check out this video of a worker committing suicide on May 11. She's so exhausted that she can barely walk! She looks like she's on the verge of collapse, and probably jumped just to escape the neverending workload:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWFsMlRyJ7Q#t=3m10s
>>>You can't transition to a "post-scarcity" economy without putting a few people out of work
What do you feed the machines after the oil wells start to run dry (already in progress), and oil skyrockets to $500 or more per barrel (after 2020)? I wouldn't describe that as post-scarcity.
Aside -
I think the world is overpopulated. I also think that's the prime reason pollution is a problem - we're sitting in our own filth. If the world only had 1 billion (like the year 1800) that problem would disappear.
Everyone in this thread seems to be turning this TRAGIC story into a joke, and I don't get it.
The workers weren't killing themselves for fun. They were killing themselves because Foxconn no longer allows them to take breaks. And Foxconn tells the workers they must work over 60 hours each week, even though it's technically illegal. The workers kill themselves because they are mentally & physically exhausted, and they see death as an escape. Yes it's irrational but after you work an 80 hour week, almost nonstop, let's see how irrational you become.
Foxconn is blaming the workers, when they should be blaming themselves for tyrannically abusing their underlings. In either the EU or US these executives would already find themselves sitting in front of judge.
(looking perplexed)
I still don't understand why it was added to Firefox when I'm not using MSN, Bing, or any other crap
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Fuzzy? It seems clear-cut to me. That was their land. It was guaranteed to them by treaty. The treaty and law was upheld by the highest court in the land. Nobody had any right to remove them from it.
You missed the part where I also slammed FDR, who is very similar to modern democrats, and committed the same crime (removing innocents from their homes).
As for the early 1800 democrats, they were more akin to the Libertarian Party today. They followed the Constitution to the letter, and advocated nullifying unconstitutional laws (like the Fugitive Slave Act). Almost none of the modern R's or D's follow the constitution, or even bother to read it.
>>>>>"COMCAST SUCKS-my analog cable for $64/month was phased out. The new digital cable requires boxes for my 4 sets. Cost $85"
>>
>>The Invisible Hand of The Free Market just gave you The Finger.
The Government gave comcast an exclusive monopoly. How is that a "free" liberated market? It isn't of course. The government needs to stop handing-out these monopolies.
You cite one city/suburb in California and extrapolate that to the whole continent? Interesting. Well the U.S. DOT collects more money from gasoline taxes than it spends on interstate maintenance. The surplus is then returned to the Congress for other uses. In my home state, road taxes are so high that they actually fund the MATA rail system. So road drivers are subsidizing cheap tickets for non-drivers.
Back to point - If you don't drive on the roads, you don't pay the tax which builds said roads. Likewise if you don't send mail, you don't pay the tax (stamp) that funds the post office. That's how it should be. You should only pay for what you use.
>>>( -1, Flamebait )
No. It's called an OPINION. Please learn the difference moderator. You don't have to like my opinion, but you don't have to punish me by subtracting points either. Learn tolerance
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