>>>The only possibility of achieving a state without the immoral behavior is to not engage in it oneself.
By that reasoning we should all stop paying unconstitutional taxes. For example the USF tax that is collected to give electricity/phone service to rural farmers. Or stop paying the SSI tax. Or as a protest the ~$2000 billion bailout of rich people in Wall Street. None of these were a power granted to Congress. Of course that also means spending time in jail.
Or... we could pay these unconstitutional/illegal/immoral taxes, stay out of jail, and use our freedom to change the system from within. Like Ron Paul does.
>>>Some people say Google shouldn't censor results because it is immoral to do so. If it is immoral to censor results, the fact that MS will gain dominance in China is irrelevant. >>>
Not really. You have the choice of two evils: (1) Google and Microsoft coexist. They both censor but at least there's competition and choice. (2) Google is blocked from China. Microsoft is allowed in because they "play ball". MS quickly becomes a monopoly.
Option 1 has one evil (censorship). Option 2 has two evils (censorship and a corporate monopoly). I choose the lesser of the two evils which is option 1, and I suspect Google has the same thought process. ----- I also recognize that in politics, things change over time. Sometimes in the future I expect that Google will pressure China to remove the censorship from search results. Google can not exert that pressure if they are not in China.
>>>I'm just trying to explain why your claim that others are naive is insulting and false.
(shrug) It's not my fault the opposite side didn't bother to think it through. It's a bit like the Slavery protester John Brown, who believed all he had to do was grab a military base and the slaves would rise up. He didn't think it through either, and ended-up dead
>>>If you start from one person having $1,000,000 and the other having $1000
STRAWMAN argument. There are a vanishingly small number of people who start life wealthy. Most people leave home around age 20 with nothing in their pockets. (Many are actually carrying a negative balance due to college loans.) Therefore since 99.9% of the people have an equal start of zero dollars, it makes sense to treat that 99.9% equally in the tax code.
Also if you truly believed in a progressive tax, you wouldn't support the current mess that taxes ~25% on middle class Americans, who can least afford that burden. Instead you'd support having a 0% income tax bracket for anyone earning less than $1,000,000, as the code was in the 1920s. (The middle class would still pay all the flat taxes like gas, sales, et cetera.)
Oh sorry. I should have said SUBURBAN Pittsburgh (as if that makes any difference). He's a product of that area and typical of the kind of politicians in and immediately surrounding that city.
No, it's 1% tax. If they only pay $10,000 tuition, then they will pay $100. Read.
Ooops. I thought the summary was saying there would be a flat $400 fee. A 1% tax of about $100 a year isn't bad. It's equivalent to how much the Computer Services fee costs.
I would buy that if they had said, "The computer was destroyed by accumulated dust and dirt. User's fault." But they didn't. They blamed some nebulous reasoning about the computer causing lung cancer in the repairman. In other words, brown-and-smelly bull.
(1) When did Microsoft buy-out Apple? They must have taken-down the "Don't be evil" mission statements.
(2) Is there any proof that SMELL can cause lung problems? I thought Penn&Teller debunked that nonsense several years ago.
Trivia -
- If you buy anything that smells like smoke, and the seller did not reveal it, you can get a refund through Paypal or Amazon. I just did that with a suit that was claimed to be "new" and it did still have tags, but it absolutely stank of smoke. So I get a refund, no questions asked (except for some hatemail from a very angry housewife).
Not stupidity. Corruption. Here is your typical Pittsburgh (or Philadelphia) politician in action. Both cities suffer from extreme corruption within: Timestamp 1:00 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yS4rRl5B7NI
>>>Carnegie Mellon is not a state school..... >>>It's often best to know what you're talking about before opening your mouth.
Why don't you practice what you preach dumbfrak? The original poster said, "I doubt the average tuition is $40,000. If you are from in state, and going to a state school, you might pay $5000". Reading comprehension not your forte'?
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>>>We are going to tax you because.. "blah blah blah blah". No one believes them because they will then turn around and "waste" money the next time.
???. Tuition plus room/board is closer to $10,000 for a public school. What kind of college did YOU go to? Anyway it's more like a 4% tax. Plus interest because most students have to borrow the money from a bank.
After thinking about it, I bet the Mayor doesn't care about the truth. He simply wants more money, and if he can sell the average, not-so-bright Pittsburgh voter on the idea that students are "getting a free ride", then he can start vacuuming wallets and making himself... er, his budget wealthier.
- property tax (included in the school's tuition and the dorm room rental fees) - sales tax (by buying local products) - gas tax or road tolls (when they drive around)
This story reminds me of Baltimore City Council, which keeps trying to tax neighboring counties on the theory that suburban folks work in the city, or visit the Raven stadium, but don't pay taxes. (Except that they do - via state income tax and sales tax and providing income to stadium/restaurant/other inner city workers.) Same stupid first-order level of thinking. These politicians need to dig deeper.
Congress are the same people who said in 2005, "You're not going to see a housing collapse - that you see when people talk about a bubble." They think they know everything, but in reality they know little about the real world. (Please note I'm not picking on any person or group - they are ALL this clueless.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iW5qKYfqALE
In college I had that discussion with some coeds, "What do you need a diamond for? Wouldn't you rather your husband give you something useful like a car, or a house?" They just kept saying nonsense about how a diamond symbolizes love, and I countered that a cubic zirconia ring could serve as the same symbol, and same appearance, for a LOT less money. They didn't want to hear that. They want that princess fairy tale, even if it means going $50,000 in debt.
BTW I didn't know DeBeers sells conflict diamonds? I thought they were banned from doing that.
>>>the entire region seems truly hell on earth, beyond any of the war zone or famished village you see on television
In Soviet Russia......nah that's not going to work. In Roman Empire..... the rowdy warring natives are subdued through force, and then the mines and minerals are claimed for the People and Senate of Rome. Eventually the warzone becomes a tamed province filled with beautiful villas. See Britannia circa 50 A.D.
Let's see - South Africa is close to Congo. Maybe they could annex it and bring "peace through superior firepower".
The masses don't care, which is why Congress passes laws to *force* us to comply with their escalated morality. You can't buy conflict diamonds/minerals if they're not in the local Walmart
>>>Well I'm glad we could do the "right" thing. I just wanna see all the liberals come together, hold hands and sing "Kum Bah Yah" afterwards.
I suspect the more radical liberals (aka Green Party) actually would like to see americans lose jobs, then stop having families due to lack of money, and gradually depopulate. In their view fewer humans == good for the environment. Radicals.
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>>>The only possibility of achieving a state without the immoral behavior is to not engage in it oneself.
By that reasoning we should all stop paying unconstitutional taxes. For example the USF tax that is collected to give electricity/phone service to rural farmers. Or stop paying the SSI tax. Or as a protest the ~$2000 billion bailout of rich people in Wall Street. None of these were a power granted to Congress. Of course that also means spending time in jail.
Or... we could pay these unconstitutional/illegal/immoral taxes, stay out of jail, and use our freedom to change the system from within. Like Ron Paul does.
>>>Some people say Google shouldn't censor results because it is immoral to do so. If it is immoral to censor results, the fact that MS will gain dominance in China is irrelevant.
>>>
Not really. You have the choice of two evils:
(1) Google and Microsoft coexist. They both censor but at least there's competition and choice.
(2) Google is blocked from China. Microsoft is allowed in because they "play ball". MS quickly becomes a monopoly.
Option 1 has one evil (censorship). Option 2 has two evils (censorship and a corporate monopoly). I choose the lesser of the two evils which is option 1, and I suspect Google has the same thought process. ----- I also recognize that in politics, things change over time. Sometimes in the future I expect that Google will pressure China to remove the censorship from search results. Google can not exert that pressure if they are not in China.
>>>I'm just trying to explain why your claim that others are naive is insulting and false.
(shrug) It's not my fault the opposite side didn't bother to think it through. It's a bit like the Slavery protester John Brown, who believed all he had to do was grab a military base and the slaves would rise up. He didn't think it through either, and ended-up dead
Computers were better when they didn't have fans. They stayed a lot cleaner internally.
Sigh. (puts on gas mask). Now I can protect myself from those dangerous fart, flower, and grass smells too.
Okay. So instead you'll create wealthy warlords that are selling the blood minerals on the black market. Problem. Not. Solved.
>>>If you start from one person having $1,000,000 and the other having $1000
STRAWMAN argument. There are a vanishingly small number of people who start life wealthy. Most people leave home around age 20 with nothing in their pockets. (Many are actually carrying a negative balance due to college loans.) Therefore since 99.9% of the people have an equal start of zero dollars, it makes sense to treat that 99.9% equally in the tax code.
Also if you truly believed in a progressive tax, you wouldn't support the current mess that taxes ~25% on middle class Americans, who can least afford that burden. Instead you'd support having a 0% income tax bracket for anyone earning less than $1,000,000, as the code was in the 1920s. (The middle class would still pay all the flat taxes like gas, sales, et cetera.)
>>>Murtha doesn't represent either Pittsburgh
Oh sorry. I should have said SUBURBAN Pittsburgh (as if that makes any difference). He's a product of that area and typical of the kind of politicians in and immediately surrounding that city.
CNN just reported now the State of New York is considering the same stupid idea - tax tuition of students at 5%.
But lung cancer isn't caused by smell. It's caused by particulates (smoke) and the repairman is not smoking or breathing smoke.
No, it's 1% tax. If they only pay $10,000 tuition, then they will pay $100. Read.
Ooops. I thought the summary was saying there would be a flat $400 fee. A 1% tax of about $100 a year isn't bad. It's equivalent to how much the Computer Services fee costs.
I would buy that if they had said, "The computer was destroyed by accumulated dust and dirt. User's fault." But they didn't. They blamed some nebulous reasoning about the computer causing lung cancer in the repairman. In other words, brown-and-smelly bull.
(1) When did Microsoft buy-out Apple? They must have taken-down the "Don't be evil" mission statements.
(2) Is there any proof that SMELL can cause lung problems? I thought Penn&Teller debunked that nonsense several years ago.
Trivia -
- If you buy anything that smells like smoke, and the seller did not reveal it, you can get a refund through Paypal or Amazon. I just did that with a suit that was claimed to be "new" and it did still have tags, but it absolutely stank of smoke. So I get a refund, no questions asked (except for some hatemail from a very angry housewife).
Not stupidity. Corruption. Here is your typical Pittsburgh (or Philadelphia) politician in action. Both cities suffer from extreme corruption within: Timestamp 1:00 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yS4rRl5B7NI
>>>Carnegie Mellon is not a state school.....
>>>It's often best to know what you're talking about before opening your mouth.
Why don't you practice what you preach dumbfrak? The original poster said, "I doubt the average tuition is $40,000. If you are from in state, and going to a state school, you might pay $5000". Reading comprehension not your forte'?
>>>We are going to tax you because.. "blah blah blah blah". No one believes them because they will then turn around and "waste" money the next time.
+1. Here is your typical Pittsburgh (or Philadelphia) politician in action: Timestamp 1:00 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yS4rRl5B7NI
>>>$40,000/year
???. Tuition plus room/board is closer to $10,000 for a public school. What kind of college did YOU go to? Anyway it's more like a 4% tax. Plus interest because most students have to borrow the money from a bank.
After thinking about it, I bet the Mayor doesn't care about the truth. He simply wants more money, and if he can sell the average, not-so-bright Pittsburgh voter on the idea that students are "getting a free ride", then he can start vacuuming wallets and making himself... er, his budget wealthier.
They already do shithead Mayor. Students pay:
- property tax (included in the school's tuition and the dorm room rental fees)
- sales tax (by buying local products)
- gas tax or road tolls (when they drive around)
This story reminds me of Baltimore City Council, which keeps trying to tax neighboring counties on the theory that suburban folks work in the city, or visit the Raven stadium, but don't pay taxes. (Except that they do - via state income tax and sales tax and providing income to stadium/restaurant/other inner city workers.) Same stupid first-order level of thinking. These politicians need to dig deeper.
"How's that workin' for ya?" - Dr Phil
"The horror. The horror."
No.
Congress are the same people who said in 2005, "You're not going to see a housing collapse - that you see when people talk about a bubble." They think they know everything, but in reality they know little about the real world. (Please note I'm not picking on any person or group - they are ALL this clueless.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iW5qKYfqALE
In college I had that discussion with some coeds, "What do you need a diamond for? Wouldn't you rather your husband give you something useful like a car, or a house?" They just kept saying nonsense about how a diamond symbolizes love, and I countered that a cubic zirconia ring could serve as the same symbol, and same appearance, for a LOT less money. They didn't want to hear that. They want that princess fairy tale, even if it means going $50,000 in debt.
BTW I didn't know DeBeers sells conflict diamonds? I thought they were banned from doing that.
Easy.
Non-violent rape happens when your partner consents.
Non-violent murder happens in assisted suicide.
Hello! (waves hand). There are lots of conservatives, libertarians, and other small-government-loving people on Slashdot.
"small government is beautiful"
>>>the entire region seems truly hell on earth, beyond any of the war zone or famished village you see on television
In Soviet Russia... ...nah that's not going to work. In Roman Empire..... the rowdy warring natives are subdued through force, and then the mines and minerals are claimed for the People and Senate of Rome. Eventually the warzone becomes a tamed province filled with beautiful villas. See Britannia circa 50 A.D.
Let's see - South Africa is close to Congo. Maybe they could annex it and bring "peace through superior firepower".
The masses don't care, which is why Congress passes laws to *force* us to comply with their escalated morality. You can't buy conflict diamonds/minerals if they're not in the local Walmart
>>>Well I'm glad we could do the "right" thing. I just wanna see all the liberals come together, hold hands and sing "Kum Bah Yah" afterwards.
I suspect the more radical liberals (aka Green Party) actually would like to see americans lose jobs, then stop having families due to lack of money, and gradually depopulate. In their view fewer humans == good for the environment. Radicals.