I'm using a Windows OS that I bought in 2002 (XP). Upgrade costs == free.
If I tried to do the same with my initial 2002 Mac OS (10.1), I would crash and burn since nothing likes to run on it. Therefore I needed to upgrade from 10.2 to 10.3 to 10.4 to 10.5 at a cost of ~$400.
There's a certain irony that you corrected me over something as trivial as using [bkspc] instead of ^H and yet you don't even know how to use the HTML (quote) (/quote) modifiers properly.;-)
>>>But the updates between 10.3, 10.4, and 10.5 where more like going between Win2k, XP and Vista rather than service packs.
Except the updates were more frequent than that. What Apples does is the equivalent to Microsoft charging users ~$100 each year to keep using their Windows OS, and my pockets are not so deep that I can afford to keep giving ANY company that kind of tribute.
>>>>>Apple charges me around $100 each year to upgrade
>>update. You can see I'm not being flippant by making a side-by-side of what each path offers. Also, your OS X updates were free.
I apologize, but I don't understand what you mean by comparing the words "upgrade" versus "update", and since English spans the entire world, it's doubtful these words mean the same thing across international borders. Where I live (USA) these two words are interchangeable. I could have just as easily said I "updated" from 10.3 to 104. to 10.5 and so on.
ANYWAY..... let me put it this way so you can better understand my point - I bought my current Wintel OS (XP) in 2002. I'm still using it after all these years. If I was still using the Mac OS that I had in 2002, it would essentially be unusable. QED the wintel OS is cheaper (no money spent in 7 years) versus the Mac OS, because I had spend money to keep my Mac working.
I always look at the bottom line. "Free" looks pretty damn good.
>>>Google's product is free and isn't tied to any particular hardware platform..... Apple doesn't want to offer that kind of product because they want to [monopolize the market and take away user choice]. >>>
Apple does have a "distinctive experience" but at a huge cost, like a Lexus or Acura or Chrysler vehicle. Apple charges me around $100 each year to upgrade my G4 Mac from 10.3 to 10.4 to 10.5, whereas Microsoft charged me *nothing* to upgrade from XP to XP-SP1 to SP2 to SP3. Over the last seven years using Wintel OS has been free, where using Apple's OS has been costly.
You see:
Some of us are trying to save money. We care about using aps like Google Voice which help save some cash, and Apple's blocking of this money-saving feature really pi - [bkspc] [bkspc] [bkspc] - annoys me.
YOU: "You can put that off to some other day, can't you? I've asked you out several times over the past few months and you keep giving me excuses. I could go hang out with some other girl but I'd rather spend time with you. I'll be there at 7. See you then." *walks away*
^^^ You see what happened there? You were assertive. You didn't accept her bullshit and you didn't take no for answer.
Yeah but that approach is a one-way destination to eventual divorce. No woman (or man) wants to be married to a jerk that bosses her around like that. Yes I'm sure that approach succeeds in getting some wet-behind-the-knees girl into your bed, maybe even engaged for marriage, but you can't build a lifetime relationship on that "Me Man; Me tell you want to do" method. You only setup longterm failure.
That doesn't mean your advice is total trash. At one point I did mention another date I had with one of her sorority sisters, but I wasn't a jerk about it. I just said, "Sarah and I went out for dinner last week. She seems nice. So what's new with you?" It has the same effect as what you advise, making her realize she's not the only woman in my life, but without being a dick.
You: "You can put that off to some other day, can't you? I've asked you out several times over the past few months and you keep giving me excuses. I could go hang out with some other girl but I'd rather spend time with you. I'll be there at 7. See you then." *walks away*
^^^ You see what happened there? You were assertive. You didn't accept her bullshit and you didn't take no for answer.
Yeah you're on a one-way destination to eventual divorce. No woman (or man) wants to be married to a jerk that bosses her around like that. Yes I'm sure that approach succeeds in getting some wet-behind-the-knees girl into your bed, maybe even engaged for marriage, but you can't build a lifetime relationship on that method. You only setup longterm failure.
That doesn't mean your advice is total trash. At one point I did mention another date I had with one of her sorority sisters, but I wasn't a jerk about it. I just said, "Sarah and I went out for dinner last week. She seems nice. So what's new with you?" It has the same effect as what you advise, making her realize she's not the only woman in my life, but without being a dick.
>>>>>We went out on a date and it was fantastic, with the night ending with a passionate goodnight kiss.
>>What really happened: you seemed cool at first so she agreed to go out on a date, but that's when things went wrong.
Wow talk about missing the mark. I leaned over to give her a polite peck on the lips, and SHE'S the one who turned it into a tongue-wrestling session followed by "Call me". I'd say she was pleased with me, else she'd not have reacted like that. The only real mystery is why there was no followup, although I suspect her ex-boyfriend was a factor.
Anyway I'm glad you were marked troll. Such rudeness on your part.
>>>most chicks realize that if they just flat out reject you then the chance of friendship is usually out the window.
That's not the case with me. I'd rather hear the words, "Let's just be friends," so I know exactly where I stand. That's why I asked this girl to be honest and tell me if she doesn't want to date. Another girl I once knew did that, defined the boundaries, and we became good friends. That worked for me because I appreciate honesty over being played.
This is where the word "vamp" comes from. It was invented in the 1920s and comes from the word "vampire" meaning a woman who sucks the life out of men. So next time you hear Entertainment Today or some other fashion show comment that an actress is "vamping it up" realizing they just insulted that actress. They probably don't mean to do it, but they just called her a vampire - a parasite off men.
And no I doubt in my example all *3* men sucked in bed. Blame the gander not the goose.
>>>>>This study might explain why some women can treat men like toss-away toys, and not care.
>They can't treat men like that, only whiny little pussies.
Really? Well I know just such a woman. She married a guy, then she divorced him because she was flirting with guy #2. Then she married guy #2, but meanwhile she was flirting with guy #3, so divorced guy #2 about five years later. She married guy #3, but was flirting with guy #4, and then divorced guy #3.
Three men. NONE of them were pussies, but she still managed to hurt all three of them with her actions, because she doesn't care about other person's feelings.
>>>He's a drug addicted idiot who frequently talks about assassinating public figures.
So too was the Founder of your Democratic Party - Thomas Jefferson. Don't believe me? Go read his writings. Perhaps you should pay closer attention to how your party was born, and what the founders truly believed. I guarantee you, it wasn't "government is good" or "monopoly is good".
The date provided was accurate - May 2009 on BBC television. And no things have *not* improved, as MEP Daniel Hannan confirmed in early August, "The worst thing to be is elderly under the UK Health System..... you will be denied care and left starving in wards." Who knows better than one of your own leaders?
>>>It's as if things are so scatterbrained in the US
Yes just as some companies make quality products for the U.S. market (Toyota, Honda) and others don't (Kia, Hyundai). That's the nature of a multiple provider system, but it's still superior than a monopoly because you can saw "screw you" to Hyundai and go buy a Toyota instead.
If Hyundai had a monopoly, then you'd be stuck with it. Just like the East Germans were stuck with their shitty government-made Tribants.
>>>Something tells me no scientist is going to sign off on Hyperspace travel
Actually LOTS of scientists have signed-off on hyperspace travel. Just not for people or other large objects, since we'd be torn-apart, but there are lots of wavicles/strings that can travel faster than light. So the theory is there, even if we haven't figured out the reality quite yet.
30 years ago when I got my first 1 megahertz computer, the idea said computer would eventually shrink to the size of a watch seemed pretty farfetched too. But I knew it was theoretically possible given enough time to work-out the design.
The preconditions were reasonable. It's not as if you're going to pull a hard drive out of the dumpster, and find it in ideal condition. The point of the challenge was that simply erasing the drive is enough to stop a thief.
I remember when I first got a modem, AT&T sent me a notice that I am not allowed to use "computer communications equipment" unless I pay an extra surcharge. I tossed that notice in the trash. I guess nobody informed that bottom-rung clerk his company, AT&T, was broken-up and no longer monopolized the phone lines or the modems.
Microsoft did say that. The response: The U.S. DOJ put Microsoft on probation, such that they are watching Microsoft's every move. The European Union ignored the Netscape issue, but now they've come back and demanded equal representation for all other browsers.
Meanwhile Gates and Ballmer laugh since they probably think their power is greater than the government's power ("They can't touch us. Why - we'll just move overseas. Fear of American job losses will make the politicians bow at our feet.").
Who cares? The point is that, over the last seven years, Mac OS has cost me a shitload of money in annual upgrades where XP OS has not. I prefer products that save me money over those that don't.
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I'm using a Windows OS that I bought in 2002 (XP). Upgrade costs == free.
If I tried to do the same with my initial 2002 Mac OS (10.1), I would crash and burn since nothing likes to run on it. Therefore I needed to upgrade from 10.2 to 10.3 to 10.4 to 10.5 at a cost of ~$400.
The facts speak for themselves. Free $400
There's a certain irony that you corrected me over something as trivial as using [bkspc] instead of ^H ;-)
and yet you don't even know how to use the HTML (quote) (/quote) modifiers properly.
>>>But the updates between 10.3, 10.4, and 10.5 where more like going between Win2k, XP and Vista rather than service packs.
Except the updates were more frequent than that. What Apples does is the equivalent to Microsoft charging users ~$100 each year to keep using their Windows OS, and my pockets are not so deep that I can afford to keep giving ANY company that kind of tribute.
>>>>>Apple charges me around $100 each year to upgrade
>>update. You can see I'm not being flippant by making a side-by-side of what each path offers. Also, your OS X updates were free.
I apologize, but I don't understand what you mean by comparing the words "upgrade" versus "update", and since English spans the entire world, it's doubtful these words mean the same thing across international borders. Where I live (USA) these two words are interchangeable. I could have just as easily said I "updated" from 10.3 to 104. to 10.5 and so on.
ANYWAY..... let me put it this way so you can better understand my point - I bought my current Wintel OS (XP) in 2002. I'm still using it after all these years. If I was still using the Mac OS that I had in 2002, it would essentially be unusable. QED the wintel OS is cheaper (no money spent in 7 years) versus the Mac OS, because I had spend money to keep my Mac working.
I always look at the bottom line.
"Free" looks pretty damn good.
>>>Apple points the finger at AT&T, AT&T points the finger at Apple. All the consumer gets is the finger. All the consumer gets is the finger.
Addendum:
Consumer gets angry and starts ordering Apple and AT&T products and never pays for them. Consumer gets last laugh.
>>>Google's product is free and isn't tied to any particular hardware platform ..... Apple doesn't want to offer that kind of product because they want to [monopolize the market and take away user choice].
>>>
There. More accurate.
Apple does have a "distinctive experience" but at a huge cost, like a Lexus or Acura or Chrysler vehicle. Apple charges me around $100 each year to upgrade my G4 Mac from 10.3 to 10.4 to 10.5, whereas Microsoft charged me *nothing* to upgrade from XP to XP-SP1 to SP2 to SP3. Over the last seven years using Wintel OS has been free, where using Apple's OS has been costly.
You see:
Some of us are trying to save money. We care about using aps like Google Voice which help save some cash, and Apple's blocking of this money-saving feature really pi - [bkspc] [bkspc] [bkspc] - annoys me.
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YOU: "You can put that off to some other day, can't you? I've asked you out several times over the past few months and you keep giving me excuses. I could go hang out with some other girl but I'd rather spend time with you. I'll be there at 7. See you then." *walks away*
^^^ You see what happened there? You were assertive. You didn't accept her bullshit and you didn't take no for answer.
Yeah but that approach is a one-way destination to eventual divorce. No woman (or man) wants to be married to a jerk that bosses her around like that. Yes I'm sure that approach succeeds in getting some wet-behind-the-knees girl into your bed, maybe even engaged for marriage, but you can't build a lifetime relationship on that "Me Man; Me tell you want to do" method. You only setup longterm failure.
That doesn't mean your advice is total trash. At one point I did mention another date I had with one of her sorority sisters, but I wasn't a jerk about it. I just said, "Sarah and I went out for dinner last week. She seems nice. So what's new with you?" It has the same effect as what you advise, making her realize she's not the only woman in my life, but without being a dick.
You: "You can put that off to some other day, can't you? I've asked you out several times over the past few months and you keep giving me excuses. I could go hang out with some other girl but I'd rather spend time with you. I'll be there at 7. See you then." *walks away*
^^^ You see what happened there? You were assertive. You didn't accept her bullshit and you didn't take no for answer.
Yeah you're on a one-way destination to eventual divorce. No woman (or man) wants to be married to a jerk that bosses her around like that. Yes I'm sure that approach succeeds in getting some wet-behind-the-knees girl into your bed, maybe even engaged for marriage, but you can't build a lifetime relationship on that method. You only setup longterm failure.
That doesn't mean your advice is total trash. At one point I did mention another date I had with one of her sorority sisters, but I wasn't a jerk about it. I just said, "Sarah and I went out for dinner last week. She seems nice. So what's new with you?" It has the same effect as what you advise, making her realize she's not the only woman in my life, but without being a dick.
>>>>>We went out on a date and it was fantastic, with the night ending with a passionate goodnight kiss.
>>What really happened: you seemed cool at first so she agreed to go out on a date, but that's when things went wrong.
Wow talk about missing the mark. I leaned over to give her a polite peck on the lips, and SHE'S the one who turned it into a tongue-wrestling session followed by "Call me". I'd say she was pleased with me, else she'd not have reacted like that. The only real mystery is why there was no followup, although I suspect her ex-boyfriend was a factor.
Anyway I'm glad you were marked troll.
Such rudeness on your part.
>>>most chicks realize that if they just flat out reject you then the chance of friendship is usually out the window.
That's not the case with me. I'd rather hear the words, "Let's just be friends," so I know exactly where I stand. That's why I asked this girl to be honest and tell me if she doesn't want to date. Another girl I once knew did that, defined the boundaries, and we became good friends. That worked for me because I appreciate honesty over being played.
>>>Maybe she isn't over her ex-boyfriend but would consider you once she is (in a year or two).
Perhaps. You forgot the point where she demanded to know why I stopped calling, and said that had hurt her emotionally,
>>>Adults often go on good dates repeatedly without ending up with sex or a relationship.
College kids not adults.
Yep.
Look for the single women, not the divorced or married ones.
This is where the word "vamp" comes from. It was invented in the 1920s and comes from the word "vampire" meaning a woman who sucks the life out of men. So next time you hear Entertainment Today or some other fashion show comment that an actress is "vamping it up" realizing they just insulted that actress. They probably don't mean to do it, but they just called her a vampire - a parasite off men.
And no I doubt in my example all *3* men sucked in bed. Blame the gander not the goose.
>>>crap sex without love is often just crap.
Which is why I just watch playboy.com instead. "Nobody knows you like yourself."
>>>>>This study might explain why some women can treat men like toss-away toys, and not care.
>They can't treat men like that, only whiny little pussies.
Really? Well I know just such a woman. She married a guy, then she divorced him because she was flirting with guy #2. Then she married guy #2, but meanwhile she was flirting with guy #3, so divorced guy #2 about five years later. She married guy #3, but was flirting with guy #4, and then divorced guy #3.
Three men. NONE of them were pussies, but she still managed to hurt all three of them with her actions, because she doesn't care about other person's feelings.
>>>He's a drug addicted idiot who frequently talks about assassinating public figures.
So too was the Founder of your Democratic Party - Thomas Jefferson. Don't believe me? Go read his writings. Perhaps you should pay closer attention to how your party was born, and what the founders truly believed. I guarantee you, it wasn't "government is good" or "monopoly is good".
>>>a fringe extremist
Who just got reelected by London voters. I think you mis-categorize him, else he would Not have been reelected if he was as "fringe" as you claim.
The date provided was accurate - May 2009 on BBC television. And no things have *not* improved, as MEP Daniel Hannan confirmed in early August, "The worst thing to be is elderly under the UK Health System..... you will be denied care and left starving in wards." Who knows better than one of your own leaders?
>>>It's as if things are so scatterbrained in the US
Yes just as some companies make quality products for the U.S. market (Toyota, Honda) and others don't (Kia, Hyundai). That's the nature of a multiple provider system, but it's still superior than a monopoly because you can saw "screw you" to Hyundai and go buy a Toyota instead.
If Hyundai had a monopoly, then you'd be stuck with it. Just like the East Germans were stuck with their shitty government-made Tribants.
A monopoly is NEVER a better way to run a system.
Redundant -1 (unsurprisingly)
(Just a little humor...)
>>>Something tells me no scientist is going to sign off on Hyperspace travel
Actually LOTS of scientists have signed-off on hyperspace travel. Just not for people or other large objects, since we'd be torn-apart, but there are lots of wavicles/strings that can travel faster than light. So the theory is there, even if we haven't figured out the reality quite yet.
30 years ago when I got my first 1 megahertz computer, the idea said computer would eventually shrink to the size of a watch seemed pretty farfetched too. But I knew it was theoretically possible given enough time to work-out the design.
The preconditions were reasonable. It's not as if you're going to pull a hard drive out of the dumpster, and find it in ideal condition. The point of the challenge was that simply erasing the drive is enough to stop a thief.
Aside-
Why are HDDs "zeroed"? Why not "oned"?
I remember when I first got a modem, AT&T sent me a notice that I am not allowed to use "computer communications equipment" unless I pay an extra surcharge. I tossed that notice in the trash. I guess nobody informed that bottom-rung clerk his company, AT&T, was broken-up and no longer monopolized the phone lines or the modems.
Microsoft did say that. The response: The U.S. DOJ put Microsoft on probation, such that they are watching Microsoft's every move. The European Union ignored the Netscape issue, but now they've come back and demanded equal representation for all other browsers.
Meanwhile Gates and Ballmer laugh since they probably think their power is greater than the government's power ("They can't touch us. Why - we'll just move overseas. Fear of American job losses will make the politicians bow at our feet.").
Who cares? The point is that, over the last seven years, Mac OS has cost me a shitload of money in annual upgrades where XP OS has not. I prefer products that save me money over those that don't.