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Ten Ways To Destroy a Hard Disk

Barence writes "Following his blog last week about the homemade hard disk destroyer, Bustadrive, Mike Jennings was deluged with comments from readers, both on the blog and here on Slashdot. Most seemed to like the product, but also offered up far more innovative and madcap methods of hard disk destruction, with a wide range of implements used — household and otherwise. In this follow-up post, he rounds up the best of an imaginative bunch of hard disk destruction methods."

289 comments

  1. Missing option by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Install Vista on it?

    1. Re:Missing option by ashtophoenix · · Score: 1

      I had an Windows XP Professional and Ubuntu Desktop (dual boot) on my Dell Inspiron 8600 laptop and the hard disk started making funny sounds. Eventually it crashed.
      Since the machine was old, I thought this could be normal wear and tear. I bought a second hard disk and reinstalled Ubuntu only this time (no windows). The second one started making the same sounds in about 15 days and crashed soon after.
      I bought a new Thinkpad after that with Windows Vista. Then I dual boot installed Ubuntu (8.9 I think). The hard disk started making the same sound and then I started researching and learned that with the LAPTOP MODE Enabled on that particular Ubuntu release, the hard disk could crash due to excessive parking. I upgraded to the next Ubuntu release and turned off LAPTOP MODE (I think) and that fixed it.

      Just to clarify, I am a Linux guy.

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    2. Re:Missing option by andre_pl · · Score: 0

      "Just to clarify, I am a Linux guy."

      I call BS. A "Linux Guy" would know that 8.9 is not a valid ubuntu version number.

    3. Re:Missing option by retchdog · · Score: 1

      The "laptop mode" issue was, however, a real one...

      Linux isn't that great, and Ubuntu isn't that friendly. It just happens to be the only choice for many people, for various reasons.

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    4. Re:Missing option by jcr · · Score: 3, Funny

      That doesn't actually destroy the drive, it just make the drive wish it were dead.

      -jcr

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    5. Re:Missing option by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Linux isn't that great, and Ubuntu isn't that friendly. It just happens to be the only choice for many people, for various reasons.

      Is there a "great" OS then?

    6. Re:Missing option by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      That version of Ubuntu had a bug where it would park, unpark, repeat - wearing the drive out quickly.

      This was fixed in a patch, several releases ago.

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    7. Re:Missing option by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The "laptop mode" issue was, however, a real one...

      Linux isn't that great, and Ubuntu isn't that friendly. It just happens to be the only choice for many people, for various reasons.

      Windows isn't that great, and Vista(or xp if you wish) isn't that friendly. It just happens to be the only choice for many people, for various reasons.

      fixed that for ya

    8. Re:Missing option by rts008 · · Score: 1

      Then I dual boot installed Ubuntu (8.9 I think).[...]Just to clarify, I am a Linux guy.

      No, you are not a 'Linux guy'.

      At least get your distro versions straight before trolling in the future.

      Here is a cheat sheet:
      x.04 are LTS versions, and x.10 are cutting edge versions of **buntu...there has never been an 8.9 version, 'Linux guy'.

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    9. Re:Missing option by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is there a "great" OS then?

      OpenVMS

      er... make that VMS.

    10. Re:Missing option by cheftw · · Score: 2, Insightful

      lol @ ubuntu version troll

      In before: "NO NO NO, here's the real versioning..."

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    11. Re:Missing option by ashtophoenix · · Score: 1

      It's business sonny, not personal. Kinda missed the point there didntya?

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    12. Re:Missing option by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Install Vista on it?

      HA HA HA .. Yeah that's right. It would do it.....

    13. Re:Missing option by mhall119 · · Score: 1

      Not all x.04 releases are LTS. Ubuntu plans on an LTS release every 2 years, there was 6.06 and now 8.04. 10.04 is the next scheduled LTS. 7.04 and 9.04 were normal (not "cutting edge", just normal) releases.

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    14. Re:Missing option by pipatron · · Score: 1

      Actually, the bug was that it didn't correct the manufacturers' insane default settings. Windows did, so the hard drive manufacturers could keep shipping devices with aggressive settings while everyone used Windows. Personally I find it hard to blame Ubuntu for this, although the problem only shows when you use it..

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    15. Re:Missing option by retchdog · · Score: 1

      Nope. Not yet.

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    16. Re:Missing option by retchdog · · Score: 1

      This is also true; and the reasons for "choosing" Windows are worse than the reasons for choosing Linux, usually.

      Nonetheless, I am looking forward to a true next generation of OS and interface design. Vernor Vinge predicts (in Rainbows End) that it will be proprietary to the hilt, and in cahoots with various governments to boot, but so beautiful and intuitive that there will basically be no contest.

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    17. Re:Missing option by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, find a way to install mac on it.

    18. Re:Missing option by A+nonymous+Coward · · Score: 1

      That would probably violate any number of EPA toxic waste laws.

    19. Re:Missing option by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're right. They just called and named by desk a Superfund site.

  2. How about: Write zeros to the disk? by impaledsunset · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Write zeros. Once. Problem solved. Then you can sell the disk.

    Physical destruction is only necessary if the disk is already broken, and you can't erase it properly.

    1. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by gurps_npc · · Score: 0

      A good forensic IT guy can recover data from something that has merely been written once with zeros.

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    2. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by gobbligook · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Not too sure about this one anymore. Back in the day certainly.

    3. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by geekoid · · Score: 4, Funny

      Now who the hell is going to trust a post from an NPC. Damn DM is trying to fool us again.

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    4. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by oracleguy01 · · Score: 0

      Exactly. Not to mention that with hard drive sizes these days, securely deleting the data would take hours or days per drive. That might not be a big deal if you are getting rid of a handful of drives and have a couple spare computers but if you are getting rid of dozens of drives or more, just destroying them saves a lot of time.

    5. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      No he can not. There is not a single data recovery company in the whole wide world advertising this capability and there isn't a single lawsuit in which data from an overwritten disk has been used as evidence. Data recovery from overwritten hard disks is BULLSHIT.

    6. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by impaledsunset · · Score: 2, Insightful

      He has a less chance to recover any data than if it was shot with a shotgun, as suggested by the article. I'm unconvinced that data can be retrieved back after the drive has been written with zeroes ones, much less that there are much people on Slashdot who would ever work with a hard drive that will end up at the good forensic IT guy, but for them there are better erasing programs. Certainly better than a shotgun, which might leave huge parts of the plates intact, if you don't shoot it enough times.

    7. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by jonbryce · · Score: 0

      You can still recover the data with an electron microscope because the drive doesn't write the data in exactly the same place every time. If you look round the edges of the blob of zero on the disk, you will see what was there before.

    8. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by Rei · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm surprised they only had a list of ten. There must be 50 ways to wipe your platters.

      Just give it a whack, Jack.
      Smash it with a van, Stan.
      Shoot it to destroy, Roy.
      Just listen to me.
      Soak it till it rusts, Gus.
      You don't need to discuss much.
      Toss it in the sea, Lee
      And get yourself free.

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    9. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by zero0ne · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Citation?

      I don't think there is a single legitimate source that has proved this is possible.

    10. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by bmo · · Score: 5, Informative

      Who the hell modded this informative?

      It's perpetuating a myth.

      Even Guttman says that with modern hard disks it's impossible to retrieve data once overwritten.

      http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/secure_del.html

      Epilogue
      In the time since this paper was published, some people have treated the 35-pass overwrite technique described in it more as a kind of voodoo incantation to banish evil spirits than the result of a technical analysis of drive encoding techniques. As a result, they advocate applying the voodoo to PRML and EPRML drives even though it will have no more effect than a simple scrubbing with random data. In fact performing the full 35-pass overwrite is pointless for any drive since it targets a blend of scenarios involving all types of (normally-used) encoding technology, which covers everything back to 30+-year-old MFM methods (if you don't understand that statement, re-read the paper). If you're using a drive which uses encoding technology X, you only need to perform the passes specific to X, and you never need to perform all 35 passes. For any modern PRML/EPRML drive, a few passes of random scrubbing is the best you can do. As the paper says, "A good scrubbing with random data will do about as well as can be expected". This was true in 1996, and is still true now.

      Looking at this from the other point of view, with the ever-increasing data density on disk platters and a corresponding reduction in feature size and use of exotic techniques to record data on the medium, it's unlikely that anything can be recovered from any recent drive except perhaps a single level via basic error-cancelling techniques. In particular the drives in use at the time that this paper was originally written have mostly fallen out of use, so the methods that applied specifically to the older, lower-density technology don't apply any more. Conversely, with modern high-density drives, even if you've got 10KB of sensitive data on a drive and can't erase it with 100% certainty, the chances of an adversary being able to find the erased traces of that 10KB in 80GB of other erased traces are close to zero.

      Also:

      http://sansforensics.wordpress.com/2009/01/15/overwriting-hard-drive-data/

      What this means

      The other overwrite patterns actually produced results as low as 36.08% (+/- 0.24). Being that the distribution is based on a binomial choice, the chance of guessing the prior value is 50%. That is, if you toss a coin, you have a 50% chance of correctly choosing the value. In many instances, using a MFM to determine the prior value written to the hard drive was less successful than a simple coin toss.

      The purpose of this paper was a categorical settlement to the controversy surrounding the misconceptions involving the belief that data can be recovered following a wipe procedure. This study has demonstrated that correctly wiped data cannot reasonably be retrieved even if it is of a small size or found only over small parts of the hard drive. Not even with the use of a MFM or other known methods. The belief that a tool can be developed to retrieve gigabytes or terabytes of information from a wiped drive is in error.

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    11. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by gandhi_2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Using this logic, all hard drives are capable of infinite capacity.

    12. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by Pulse_Instance · · Score: 4, Funny

      After shooting a hard drive with a shotgun once, I'm pretty sure you going to want to keep shooting it.

    13. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      This way you could record the serial number and a log, and print out a nice little certificate saying that this has happened. None of the ways mentioned in the article help with things like this.
      The article should be called Ten Ways to Physically Damage Something.

    14. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by tha_toadman · · Score: 1

      If the D.O.D. (5220.22-M) recommends 3 passes and the NSA recommends 7 passes, then why should anyone believe this statement?

    15. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by Whyte+Panther · · Score: 1, Funny

      Obligatory XKCD:

      50 Ways

    16. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      citation needed

      really this is a bullshit myth

      where is adam and jamie ???

    17. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by omnichad · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Thanks for posting this. I posted one of these links last time something like this came up on Slashdot, and I was too lazy to find them again.
       
      It's just silly to believe that a device with such a wide margin of error on "normal" data leaves any room for recovery on a wiped drive.

    18. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by omnichad · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They don't take chances. They don't research. They just do what it takes to be SURE. That doesn't mean that they aren't overly paranoid.

    19. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by TheCarp · · Score: 3, Funny

      Absolutely true.... there is an easy way to avoid that problem in two simple steps. Either one will work:
      1. Don't do anything that will raise the ire of someone with access to an appropriate microsocope.
      2. If you can't do one, then stop using hard drives from the 1980s. Dude, where do you even find disk controllers for them that work in modern machines?

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    20. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is probably the reason that 'proper' data wiping requires seven writes of random data.

      Though seriously, unless you are the CIA or NSA, or have them on your tail, once is plenty.

      Still a good FDE drive that allows for a cryptographic erase will do the job in no time (seriously, it takes very little time as all it has to do is overwrite the encryption key seven times, rather than the whole drive).

    21. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by Anonymusing · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Maybe YOU can, with your handy electron microscope, but mine is still on layaway.

      Also, suppose you were trying to recover a specific file from my disk, and you had to use an electron microscope to recover every single bit. There are 1,889,785,610,240 bits on my 220gb hard disk. Assuming one-tenth of a second per bit to scan, you'd still spend about 6,000 years reading the drive to collect all the data. Trust me: the value of that data will have long expired by then.

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    22. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by danieltdp · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Its like this: one close-range shotgun shot to the head kills a man. Wanna be sure the guy is dead? How many bullets do you have?

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    23. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by liquidsin · · Score: 1

      fucking brilliant.

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    24. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by commodoresloat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      you'd still spend about 6,000 years reading the drive to collect all the data. Trust me: the value of that data will have long expired by then.

      Not if it's porn!

    25. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by SBrach · · Score: 1
    26. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by CAIMLAS · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Oh, really. You should have one of those good forensic guys go here and accept the challenge on that page; it would be pretty financially lucrative, if what you say is true. But it isn't true; such a recovery is impossible until proven otherwise.

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    27. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      How can it be less than 50% chance of recovering a bit? If I saw that in my results, I'd just add an "invert" step in the process and bam! 64% chance of recovery!

      Ok, actually, i'd check my assumptions, but the first thing I'd do if I needed a paper published in a hurry is the invert thing.

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    28. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by Lord+Ender · · Score: 4, Informative

      You are almost right, but not entirely. Some drive firmware (as I understand it) will detect failing sectors of the disk and mark them as "bad." Your software won't even see them, as this is done at the firmware level. This means your data will still be there on the disk, even after a zero-write.

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    29. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by Lord+Ender · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, it's true! As a forensic specialist, give me a disk that has been overwritten with zeros, and I can recover approximately 50% of the bits that were on the disk before it was wiped.

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    30. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by prockcore · · Score: 4, Informative

      That and he's assuming that the harddrive actually writes out ones and zeroes. That's not how it works.

      The harddrive stores information on the disk as a constant magnetic field, the only "information" on the disk is the polarity of the magnetic field. So a "bit" on disk is positive, or it is negative.

      The harddrive stores information using flux reversal. A 1 is a flux reversal, a 0 is no change. So 1001110 is stored as +---+-++. Switching polarity is considered a 1, not switching is a 0. 1001110 could also be represented as -+++-+--, it all depends on the current polarity when the data is written. The harddrive uses RLL encoding, so 1001110 is actually written out as 01000010000100.

      Also, you have to read the entire sector, since the data is xored together before it is RLL encoded. A single byte in a sector is garbage unless you xor it with all the bytes after it in the sector.

    31. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      Actually, "back in the day", it was believed that zeroing was insufficient protection against data recovery. In fact, I remember hearing such rumors since at least the time I could comprehend data storage, as a kid in the 80s. I forget where I read (or watched) it, but someone researched what was really necessary, and if I recall correctly, couldn't find a single data recovery company who would guarantee results on a zeroed drive, and most wouldn't even try. Maybe someone with better googling skills than my own can find a pertinent link.

      It's possible that the NSA has classified technology to pull it off, but in the civilian sector there's just no chance from what I've seen.

    32. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by jcr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Nobody's modded you funny yet? Come on, people!

      -jcr

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    33. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by Penguinoflight · · Score: 1
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    34. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by X0563511 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Where are your fucking shift and period keys?

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    35. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by sumdumass · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The D.O.D and NSA are forward thinking because many of their secrets can be potentially damaging well into the future. They aren't just looking at making them not readable today, but hopefully not readable 25 or more years into the future when new technology may be availible to obsolete the current limitations to our technology.

      Making several passes attempts to increase the likelihood of that not being possible.

    36. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by lgw · · Score: 3, Informative

      Government protocol for destruction of a drive that has ever held secret data is to shred the drive until the pieces pass through a 1 mm sieve. No amount of "passes" will erase data on sectors that the drive firmware has marked "bad". 1 pass with random data is adequate to prevent recovery (on a GMR drive, and probably on any post-MFM drive), but only for those sectors the HHD firmware is still willing to write to.

      In practice, the government often just sells the computer without taking any steps to delete the data. But hey, that's government for you.

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    37. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by VeNoM0619 · · Score: 1

      Being that the distribution is based on a binomial choice, the chance of guessing the prior value is 50%. That is, if you toss a coin, you have a 50% chance of correctly choosing the value

      Wouldn't it be like tossing 2 coins? Since the original data is a flipped coin, and your guess would be the 2nd flipped coin, you would theoretically have less than 50% (25%?) chance of guessing correctly. I'm sure the odds of 2 consecutive coin flips being the same are less than 50%.

      Based on his description, he assumes the drive is all 1s or all 0s, and you have a 50/50 chance of lucking out on the coin to get it right.

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    38. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by mrsquid0 · · Score: 1

      Yes, but can you tell what parts of the hard drive that those bits were from?

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    39. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by SlashDev · · Score: 1

      Whomever is giving out those scores needs a serious lesson in electromagnetism. Zeroes won't do it, sorry.

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    40. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      > I'm sure the odds of 2 consecutive coin flips being the same are less than
      > 50%.

      The second toss can either come out the same as the first one or different from it. That is exactly two possibilities.

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    41. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by jgarra23 · · Score: 1

      What about "The Great Zero Challenge" that ended back in January? I tried going to the site but 16 Systems seems to have taken it down. Was anyone ever able to recover the files from the drive? I can find some peripheral information concerning the data recovery challenge... but yea, as far sa I know dd should be able to "zero" (with /dev/null used as the input) out a hard drive quite well... http://hostjury.com/blog/view/195/the-great-zero-challenge-remains-unaccepted

    42. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by CharlyFoxtrot · · Score: 1

      OK so say your the NSA and have access to that kind of tech. How do you know where to point your electron microscope ? You weren't planning on going through the entire surface of all platters in the disk with a microscope were you ? And even if you did you'd have to deal with many parts of the disk that were overwritten multiple times in its natural life making the results harder to find and more ambiguous. Let's face it what you're talking about is highly theoretical.

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    43. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by Artraze · · Score: 1

      You obviously have little to no understanding as to how an electron microscope works. The electron beam can scan at a very high speed, and generates a large raster image in under 1/10 sec. The number of points it can scan is more on the order of 10M/s, than 10/s. Further, it's not like it's that hard to put a platter spinner in you $500k scope and just scan a slow line (thus, a spiral on the platter) and read the whole disk at once. It'd probably take less than a day to read out a whole disk.

      Disclaimer: I don't work in a computer forensics department, but I do own an electron microscope.

    44. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by FCAdcock · · Score: 1

      Actually, the chances of two consecutive coin flips landing on the same side are EXACTLY 50%.

      The first flip won't matter because there's nothing to match it to. It's the second flip which matters.
      Coin 1: Heads >Coin 2: Heads
      Coin 1: Heads >Coin 2: Tails
      Coin 1: Tails >Coin 2: Heads
      Coin 1: Tails >Coin 2: Tails

      Here are the only 4 outcomes of the flips. 1 and 4 would count as successful attempts. Therefore 50%

      Each consecutive flip would square the previous chances of a failure.

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    45. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is rather easy to disprove...

      lets say there is a flat area that holds 1 bit of data.

      So now we write with our head onto the area. The magnetic area is 'flipped'. Now we write with the same head in a 'slightly' different spot. Then again. Then again. Each time inverting it from 1 to 0 and back. Lets do this 50 times. Not unreasonable with some hard drives.

      Now on the edges which of the 'blobs' belong to which? There is NO way to tell. You might be able to guess what the bit was at some point by how magnetized some small area is. But you still would not be able to correlate that to any other bits in adjoining areas. Also you would not be able to correlate that to a particular time.

      A good blast with random data would be more than sufficient to thwart most attackers. Twice if you are paranoid.

    46. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by Scarletdown · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Encrypt the drive first with whatever the strongest encryption available is and then write all zeroes to it?

      Then even if you can recover 50% of the bits, you would not be able to do anything with them unless you can figure out how to crack the encryption.

      Would that work?

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    47. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by pete-classic · · Score: 1

      I'm sure the odds of 2 consecutive coin flips being the same are less than 50%.

      [snip]

      Math mistakes made on purpose for skeptics and conspiracy theories.

      Uh-huh.

      I bet they LOVE you in Vegas!

      -Peter

    48. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      /dev/zero is the bucket full of zeros. You can't read from /dev/null. There's nothing in it, not even what you put there.

    49. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Physical destruction is also a LOT quicker depending on how you do it,

      and how fast it takes to get that disc out and swap in a dummy one can matter...

    50. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by thue · · Score: 2, Interesting

      A hard disk has inaccessible spare sectors, which will be logically swapped in if a sector fails. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_disk#Error_handling

      How do you guarantee that there isn't some important data lying around in the swapped out sector? It is not accessible via the hard drives external interface, but could be accessed by a raw reading of the disk.

    51. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, If it was possible somehow to have new data and old data on the same place on the same drive that is somehow still readable, then we could store twice as much data. The hard drive manufacturers would have already figured this technique out and used it to double capacity.

      If you are still paranoid, Do it twice:

      dd if=/dev/zero/ of=/dev/hda && dd if/dev/random of=/dev/hda && dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda

      then donate the drive to someone who can use it.

    52. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by mog007 · · Score: 1

      If the NSA were able to do it with some sort of classified technology, the technology involved would certainly land them a Nobel Prize, if not the JREF million dollar challenge.

      Recovery from a zeroed drive is impossible given the current laws of physics.

    53. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      _Thank you_.

      One fool question: does the formatting that GParted uses constitute a full overwrite?

      I would think it must, but then realized I don't actually /know/ that it's the same thing in technical terms. And I haven't been able to look it up just now, as all the tech descriptions so far have been Win-centric.

      Just asking because it would mean we wouldn't need to bother with any overwrite utility to dispose a drive -- just do a format & pull it out.

      Sorry that sounds like asking the obvious, but as you've just proven I've been an idiot for yanking the platters out of drives to retire them over the years, I'm in "twice shy" mode.

    54. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 1

      In most cases, it's the contractor who loses the drives.

      Real Secret stuff, yeah, those drives get totally fucked over. (Most of the time, contractors work on "unclassified" documents.) You'd need magic or a time machine to get anything out of those. Usually, though, they just get stored forever and ever, amen.

      Does the US still melt the bits after they go through the sieve or did they move to the "mix with concrete" method?

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    55. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by number11 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually, the chances of two consecutive coin flips landing on the same side are EXACTLY 50%.

      You statistics people think you're so smart.

      But you have failed to account for the cases:
      where the coin lands on edge.
      where the coin rolls, and is lost under the refrigerator.
      where a raven swoops down out of the sky and snags the coin midair and flies away with it.
      where a man jumps out of the closet, grabs the coin, and runs away.
      where when the coin hits, it breaks into two pieces, the microfilm flies out, and the pieces come to rest hollow side up.
      where Annie Oakley shoots from the next room and blasts the coin to smithereens.
      the Creationist case, where God, being extremely bored, miraculously causes the coin to turn into a glass of Guiness, which smashes to the ground and gets beer everywhere.
      And probably other cases.

      Where's your 50% now, eh?

    56. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by misexistentialist · · Score: 1

      Hard drive manufacturers in cooperation with law enforcement have worked very hard to conceal this fact.

    57. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by Anonymusing · · Score: 1

      You're right, I have no understanding how an electron microscope works. I was mainly replying to what I thought was a silly post with another, relatively silly post.

      So, if it took you one day to read out a 220GB disk, how long would it take to decipher the data from it?

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    58. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by revengebomber · · Score: 2, Funny

      wh11111sh.

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    59. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by ciderVisor · · Score: 2, Funny

      where a raven swoops down out of the sky and snags the coin midair and flies away with it.

      I hate it when that happens. Scurrilous wee flappy raven bastards.

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    60. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by ciderVisor · · Score: 1

      That KXCD is so not applicable in this case. Hand in your geek card on the way out.

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    61. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      I LIKE FIRE.

      Documents, letters, printouts, hard drives, floppies, dead biides - fire pretty much destroys everything and makes in untraceable.

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    62. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by Mauzl · · Score: 1

      'The great zero challenge' was stupid.

      The pre-conditions on the challenge basically ensured its failure.

    63. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WHOOOOOOOOSH!

    64. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by Lord+Ender · · Score: 1

      Oh that would work, but you can't encrypt it with just any algorithm. You couldn't use AES, TwoFish, or even BlowFish. I recommend to my clients that they encrypt everything with 2048-bit WOOOSH.

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    65. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by mhall119 · · Score: 1

      No, gparted only changes the partition and filesystem tables, it doesn't change the parts of the disk where your files were stored. It's akin to ripping the table of contents out of a book, the data in the pages is still there, you just don't have a map of what is where.

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    66. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by pipatron · · Score: 1

      No. GParted use the normal tools for formatting, and the formatting procedure for most (all?) file systems does not require overwriting all data, thus there will be a lot of your old data left even if the partition looks empty.

      To zero out a partition in linux, you can for example do something like:

      # dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/yourpartition bs=512

      There are of course more ways.

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    67. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by mhall119 · · Score: 1

      You think $40 is financially lucrative?

      The contest is a farce, there is no way for contestants to verify the parameters, thus no way for contestants to know the contest is winnable. Even if there was, nobody is going to do it for $40. Even if someone would, the challenge requests the recovery of the file metadata, not the actual data of the file, which is usually the more difficult (and least important in the real world). Even then, the challenge requires a "reproducible manner", when data recovery is never advertised as being 100% reliable.

      So, if the point is that data cannot be 100% recovered from a zeroed drive, then I'll agree. If the point is that any data recovery on a zeroes drive would be prohibitively expensive in all practical situations, then I'll agree. But, your claim is that recovery (implicitly *any* recovery) is impossible, well there you are wrong.

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    68. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by mhall119 · · Score: 1

      The fact that data is recoverable doesn't mean you have extra storage space, because they data isn't recoverable with enough reliability to make it usable as storage. It is, however, recoverable with enough reliability to make it insecure.

      If a bit lost data 1% of the time, it's useless for storage. But I wouldn't consider a 99% chance of recovery acceptable for security.

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    69. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by Scarletdown · · Score: 2, Funny

      Okay, people, I give up. Can someone please explain why the guy I responded to was funny and what the joke is?

      I thought that overwriting everything with zeroes or ones and zeroes was a standard way to "sanitize" a drive, and that these forensic specialists often find data recovery a trivial matter even after doing such a wipe.

      I've reread the guy's post several times and am still not seeing what caused the funny bit to be set. (Blame insufficient sleep for this perhaps?)

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    70. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by ignavus · · Score: 1

      Why write zeroes? Just write random characters.

      dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/your-hard-disk

      Now don't try this command at home, kiddies.

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    71. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not true.

      Nothing is 100% accurate. The head of the drive cannot be positioned exactly. Oh, it's close enough for normal purposes, but....

      Imagine you have a drive that is standing on it's left side on a table. Hook it up, write something to the platters. Now, turn it off, flip it over to its right side, and write zeros to it. Since it was in a different position, gravity pulls the actuator arm differently, resulting in the head passing over a slightly different area of the platters. Oh, it'll overwrite 99% (even 99.99%) of the old track, but that 1% along the edge can be detected, and read.

      Also, an area of the platter that was a 0, and was overwritten by a 0 will look different that a 1 that was overwritten by a zero. They may be used to store binary data, but the platters themselves are analog.

    72. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by uninformedLuddite · · Score: 1

      An incompetent bumbling employee of Best Buy can do that. I had the opportunity to play around with NSA grade forensic software(the stuff they admit to using not the super secret stuff) and i was absolutely stunned at the stuff I was recovering off my own old hard drives. I was able to resurrect files supposedly no longer in existence after multiple writes, formats, and scrubs as if they were just written to the device the day before.

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    73. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by genericpoweruser · · Score: 1

      Technically, wouldn't it be 99%^(the number of bytes in the file). So a 3MB file would have a .99^3145728 or ...my calculator [gcalctool] rounds that to 0%.

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    74. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by DaleSwanson · · Score: 1

      First, overwriting with zeros is enough on any modern drive. No one has ever recovered anything from a drive that has simply been zeroed, even with a SEM. It's only been theorized that it could be possible. However, simply formatting a drive does not over write the data, so that is not enough to clear the data.
      http://hostjury.com/blog/view/195/the-great-zero-challenge-remains-unaccepted

      However, the joke came from the guy saying he could recover about 50% of the bits on a zeroed drive. Since the bits can only be 0 or 1 simply guessing would yield 50% correct.

    75. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by Jerry+Smith · · Score: 1

      Okay, people, I give up. Can someone please explain why the guy I responded to was funny and what the joke is?

      I thought that overwriting everything with zeroes or ones and zeroes was a standard way to "sanitize" a drive, and that these forensic specialists often find data recovery a trivial matter even after doing such a wipe.

      I've reread the guy's post several times and am still not seeing what caused the funny bit to be set. (Blame insufficient sleep for this perhaps?)

      Okay, cause you seem like a nice guy, with just a bit too little sleep: on average, in a binary system, ALL data consists of evenly distributed zeroes and ones. So yes, he could, on a disk that was zeroed, recover of 50% of the data. Without any effort :) He'd point at zero's en he'd be 50% right if he stated that the original data was recovered.

      English not being my primary language, I hope it was sufficient.

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    76. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by Gordonjcp · · Score: 1

      This is what I've been saying for *years*. Modern drives don't use simple MFM coding, but something more akin to QAM where the phase and amplitude of the signal is what contains the information. This packs more bits into a single "spot" of disk. The theory runs that with MFM, if you measure a 1 and turns out to be just a little bit over the average for 1, it probably was a 1 before and if it was a bit less it probably was a 0 before. Since you've only got two levels to play with, it's easy to guess which is which. You can see then that if you had even four levels to choose from it would be much harder to identify the previous value.

    77. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Zeros are much faster. /dev/urandom is slow. /dev/random is glacial.

    78. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by schweini · · Score: 1

      Well, then they should've just nuked the site from orbit!

    79. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The harddrive uses RLL encoding

      The 20th century called. It wants its hard disk technology back.

    80. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by mhall119 · · Score: 1

      Only if you need to recover every byte to make any portion of the file readable. This is true for encrypted files, but not so much for most others.

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    81. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      The preconditions were reasonable. It's not as if you're going to pull a hard drive out of the dumpster, and find it in ideal condition. The point of the challenge was that simply erasing the drive is enough to stop a thief.

      Aside-

      Why are HDDs "zeroed"? Why not "oned"?

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    82. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The other overwrite patterns actually produced results as low as 36.08% (+/- 0.24). Being that the distribution is based on a binomial choice, the chance of guessing the prior value is 50%. That is, if you toss a coin, you have a 50% chance of correctly choosing the value. In many instances, using a MFM to determine the prior value written to the hard drive was less successful than a simple coin toss.

      Not sure if that's true. I agree with the overall statement that recovering data this way is absurd, having used AFM and other scanning probe methods it would take forever and be unlikely to produce results even reliable enough to get anything useful, let alone anything that would hold up in court. But saying that 36% is worse than a coin toss is incorrect. If the method were not working at all it should be 50%, if there is a bias at all there is something non-random occuring. The bias being in the opposite direction would suggest an error in how the data are being interpreted. If you reliably knew that only 36% of the data were what the results indicated you could simply flip all your bits and reliably know that 64% were what you have now.

    83. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not possible with current technology, but in the future it could become easier to recover data from old hard drives. That's why I prefer the thermite method.

    84. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Metadata or just plain regular data - it's all just data. That's the point.

      Plus, reproducibility != reliability. If you can't reproduce your data recovery, then your method is no better than guessing since there's no way to show that what you recovered can reasonably be shown to be what you were looking for. Data recovery absolutely must be reproducible and reliable or it's not data recovery. You have to show that what you recovered can be trusted to be what was lost (reliable) and that you can repeat the process (reproducible).

    85. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by mhall119 · · Score: 1

      Metadata or just plain regular data - it's all just data. That's the point.

      Not all data is stored equally, nor equally easy to recover.

      If you can't reproduce your data recovery, then your method is no better than guessing since there's no way to show that what you recovered can reasonably be shown to be what you were looking for.

      Um, what? If I can recover readable text files, or viewable image files, you know that those files were what was there, it's self evident.

      Data recovery absolutely must be reproducible and reliable or it's not data recovery. You have to show that what you recovered can be trusted to be what was lost (reliable) and that you can repeat the process (reproducible).

      You have very strange ideas about data recovery. Data recovery is not, and should not be, a part of normal business practice. Data recovery is for those "Oh My God, Give me something, anything, so we can continue to operate as a business" situations, or those "We think this disk once contained information about Iran's nuclear program, see what information you can get from it" scenarios. Either way, you implicitly trust your data recovery people to be honest, either out of necessity (no other option), or authority (they work for you).

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    86. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not all data is stored equally, nor equally easy to recover.

      What are you talking about? I agree that at the filesystem layer, there's data, and then there's data - but when you hit the disk platters, it's all just ones and zeros. The disk doesn't and shouldn't have any knowledge of filesystem metadata - it's all just data that needs to be stored and retrieved.

       

      Um, what? If I can recover readable text files, or viewable image files, you know that those files were what was there, it's self evident.

      True, but all that tells you is that data was there at some point in the lifetime of the disk it tells you nothing about if it's the data you wanted. It's not enough just to be able to get some data that may or may not be what you wanted - you have to be able to put that data into context, and you cannot do that if your methods are not reproducible, or are not reliable. That is why they are no better than guessing if you cannot show reproducibility and reliability. Hell, that plain text you just recovered could just as easily have come from the swap file and be for all intents and purposes random data if you can't show me context.

      My point is that you are confusing reproducibility and reliability. You can have one without the other, but you need both to have confidence in the results.

      You have very strange ideas about data recovery. Data recovery is not, and should not be, a part of normal business practice. Data recovery is for those "Oh My God, Give me something, anything, so we can continue to operate as a business" situations, or those "We think this disk once contained information about Iran's nuclear program, see what information you can get from it" scenarios. Either way, you implicitly trust your data recovery people to be honest, either out of necessity (no other option), or authority (they work for you).

      You seem to have strange ideas about what I am saying. Data recovery is absolutely not a BAU task unless your business is data recovery. Without context, and confidence in the data, "Give me something, anything, so we can continue to operate as a business" can be worse than data loss - without context, and confidence in that recovered data, you cannot continue to operate as a business since you cannot have confidence in the work you will be doing based on potentially bad data. It's not a question of honesty, it's a question of competence. Unfortunately, people constantly vastly overestimate their competence at any particular tasks. People assume that just because they can't do better, then that is the best that can be done. In your hypothetical scenario, it's even more important to be sure of what you are getting.

    87. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by DaVince21 · · Score: 1

      Has there even been any case where a harddisk was used for evidence, period? Current law systems might make this difficult anyhow.

      Besides, there are professional data recovery companies out there that actually manage to recover most data. Why are they still here after all these years if data recovery was that impossible?

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    88. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thats bullshit. Or maybe you can back this up with something?

    89. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When you magnetize an object it is an analogue process. The amount of change to the physical media is dependent upon the amount of magnetic flux you apply.

      When you re-apply exactly the same amount of magnetic flux, but reversed in polarity, a phenomenon known as magnetic hysteresis occurs where the physical change to the media is less than what the initial change was. This means that some slight indication of the previous physical change is left behind encoded into the media. This encoding is invisible to digital equipment that looks at gross magnetization changes (ie: standard hdd controllers) but should, theoretically, be visible to specialized analogue equipment.

      The data would not be easy to decode, however, as a decision would have to be made as to the relationship between polarity change "depth" and the relevance of the data at any particular time. If the media had undergone several phase reversals, the likelihood of being able to infer any previously written data would be very low.

      The fact that DOD & etc feel that a simple wipe is insufficient would indicate their estimation of the possibility of data recovery is actually quite high, but really do you think you are likely to ever have data that is that important to justify its recovery?

      Just write several patterns of phase changes. The bits of the platters marked as unusable (& therefore potentially having unerased data) are statistically insignificant and the data on them can be assumed to be compromised anyway.

    90. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by lgw · · Score: 1

      I dunno about the details. I hear they no longer burn shredded paper, as too many pieces end up going up the flue unburnt. Whatever the process, I'd be amazed if it were different for paper and hard drives. I expect they throw them both in the industrial shredder, then on to whatever's next.

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    91. Re:How about: Write zeros to the disk? by FCAdcock · · Score: 1

      >Where's your 50% now, eh?

      Oh, it's still there. It's just a smaller 50%

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  3. Spot Welder? by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The average welding torch, meanwhile, is a fully paid-up member of the "life-threatening but enormously enjoyable" club - and there's no denying that a 3,000-degree flame would reduce the average hard disk platter to a pool of reflective liquid quicker than you could say "data protection". It's a superb suggestion from Steve, who also put forward the angle grinder for consideration. We're worried about him.

    A not as messy method might be a spot welder. They go by different names but my dad's shop used to have a nice adjustable Miller spot welder that would function great for sheet metal work. Anyway, I can envision a homemade spot welder (very trivial to make) with a stand around it and two wooden 2' by 2' pieces of plywood with a handle grip sticking up and two hard drive holes counter sunk with a quarter inch lip to hold each drive (for 3.5" and 2.5" drives). Place the hard drive in the selected hole and clamp your spot welder on it and go to town. Mark your initials in it and you should have a pretty solid drive with no mess, no metal shreds laying around, no flying debris or sparks and probably easier to store/recycle/transport. Man, I wish I didn't live in the city and had a wood and metal machine shop.

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    1. Re:Spot Welder? by Landshark17 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Homemade spot-welder is cool, but I think the truly epic way of destroying a hard drive must involve the Flaming Bacon Lance of Death: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9dskxN10N0

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    2. Re:Spot Welder? by BrokenHalo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I used to be a blacksmith, and I still have my forge and tools. My favourite treatment is to heat the whole HDD assembly up to a nice orange/red colour (which is more than sufficient to demagnetise any media), then give it a few wallops with my 300 pound power hammer. The drive comes out about 1 millimetre thick, and I challenge even the most serious boffin to get any data off it after that.

    3. Re:Spot Welder? by smellsofbikes · · Score: 1
      I've made a couple of spotwelders in my time. It's difficult to homebuild a spotwelder that has sufficient amperage to fry a hard disc for at least the following reasons: the power from a 110V, 20A outlet is unlikely to be sufficient to destroy a hard drive. Transformers for a DIY spotwelder, that can handle over 2kW, get breathtakingly expensive even if you're just talking raw materials to wind your own (which I did) so even if you have a 220V, 30A outlet. Aluminum, from which hard drive cases are made, is *very* difficult to destroy with a spotwelder because it's so conductive, so you have to do semi-exotic tricks with semi-exotic metals for your contacts, rather than standard Miller copper-beryllium electrode tips.

      If you want to DIY, make your own plasma cutter and slice the thing up. It's a lot easier, if a bit more dangerous.

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    4. Re:Spot Welder? by zippthorne · · Score: 2, Funny

      Don't do this with a ceramic drive...

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    5. Re:Spot Welder? by Ironica · · Score: 1

      Bah. That's not bacon; that's prosciutto.

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  4. You only need one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Run bit torrent on a hard drive continuously until it dies. Works every time.

    1. Re:You only need one by Holistic+Missile · · Score: 2, Funny

      I have Comcast, you insensitive clod!

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  5. Magnesium by Hubbell · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you have the harddisk out of the shell, buy 1 package of sparklers, if it's inside it, get around 4-5 packages (the metal sticks with grayshit on them)

    Strip the grayshit (magnesium normally, if its something else it probably wont work as well through the case) and crush it into a powder off of all sparklers but 1, you can strip the last one down to about an inch or so from the tip. Pile it all on the harddisk/shell, light the sparkler tip that's left, insert into the pile, and other than it appearing as though the sun is arm's length in front of you for 5-10 seconds, anything underneath shall be melted/vaporized due to the white hot heat released. I've melted through steel grills at my local beach at night this way before, around 11pm 1 package of sparklers prepared this way lit up the local beach on long island sound for about a mile in all directions as if it was daytime.

    1. Re:Magnesium by amplt1337 · · Score: 5, Funny

      And when you win a Darwin award, here I'll be able to say, "I knew him when..."

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    2. Re:Magnesium by Hubbell · · Score: 2, Informative

      How exactly would I get a darwin award for something which is nonexplosive? Magnesium merely burns white hot until it's all gone.

    3. Re:Magnesium by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stop spoiling our gory fantasies!

    4. Re:Magnesium by ComputerGeek01 · · Score: 1

      Solidox welding rods are more effective then your "empty a bunch of fireworks\shotgun shells\pour on lighter fluid" methods. Geez I thought every geek read the cookbook...

    5. Re:Magnesium by Critical+Facilities · · Score: 1

      I've melted through steel grills at my local beach at night this way before, around 11pm

      May I be the first to ask....why??

    6. Re:Magnesium by Golddess · · Score: 1

      It may not be explosive, but you're still playing with fire.

      (only fire-related Darwin Award I could find in my brief search)

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    7. Re:Magnesium by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      Sparklers have more in them than magnesium. That's how you're able to be lit by a simple lighter or match and why they sparkle. I believe gunpowder is a minor ingredient, but I've no idea what else. While such a mess would not explode, it would burn very, very quickly and shoot off sparks in a myriad of directions.

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    8. Re:Magnesium by Hatta · · Score: 1

      Cause fire is cool!

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    9. Re:Magnesium by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      Let's see.. beach, grill, 11PM. I believe the answer to your question is also the answer to the following riddle:

      What are the most common last words of a redneck?

    10. Re:Magnesium by Obfuscant · · Score: 1
      What are the most common last words of a redneck?

      "I'm game!"

    11. Re:Magnesium by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      Close.. "Hey y'all, hold my beer and watch this!"

    12. Re:Magnesium by izomiac · · Score: 1

      I'd be a bit worried about the magnesium powder getting caught in the wind. Worst case scenario, it gets blown on you while you have the match lit. There's also the possibility of burning your hands if there's a spark when scraping the magnesium off of the wire. My guess would be neither would cause a Darwin award, unless you count "can't find a date due to facial scarring".

    13. Re:Magnesium by Obfuscant · · Score: 2, Funny
      They were rolling George into the operating room to work on his multiple gunshot wounds and they asked what happened.

      Well, the last thing I remember is, me and Billy Joe and Frankie and my brother George were in the Dew Drop Inn having a few beers, and Billy Joe says 'hey everyone, let's go huntin'!', and I said "I'm game."

      Thank you very much, I'll be here all week...

    14. Re:Magnesium by element-o.p. · · Score: 1

      I wonder if a Wal-Mart magnesium firestarter would do the trick?

      Pinky, I know what we're going to do this weekend...

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    15. Re:Magnesium by element-o.p. · · Score: 1

      Your geek card is hereby officially revoked.

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    16. Re:Magnesium by Hubbell · · Score: 1

      If you've ever used a sparkler before you know how brittle the magnesium is, you can strip it with your bare hands (how i always did it) and it's flashpoint is high enough that it takes a few seconds of being at the hottest point (a bit above the flame) of a lit lighter/match for it to ignite so there's no danger of accidental lighting.

    17. Re:Magnesium by izomiac · · Score: 1

      In dust form (or slightly larger) the particles should be sufficiently small to combust far more easily, so I'd still be wary (dust is scary). Stripping it with one's hands is probably the safest method (I was picturing with a knife or something), but I wouldn't handle a flame for a while afterwards. Realistically, it probably isn't all that dangerous, but it's still pretty far from being safe. An accident is unlikely, and even if it did happen would probably be minor (singed hair or something). OTOH, I personally try to eliminate any chance for Murphy's Law to put a speck of white hot magnesium on my cornea.

    18. Re:Magnesium by Paradyme · · Score: 1

      Made once something like that using 1.4kg of that stuff (don't ask). The pillar of fire was impressive and it burned for about 10 seconds. Even the forest some kilometer away looked almost bright like during daylight. Only after the awe was over realized how dangerous the stuff was, as it managed to vaporize 12 layers of aluminum folio and just about half a meter of earth from under it. I'm willing to bet it could do something nasty to a harddrive though.

    19. Re:Magnesium by Jerry+Smith · · Score: 1

      What are the most common last words of a redneck?

      "That's not how a man handles a shotgun!! Gimmedat!"

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  7. the best way to render a hard drive useless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    install Windows ME

  8. /. Participation by Stenchwarrior · · Score: 1

    I think the next list he needs to run is the top 10 stories that generated the most response from /. members. I bet a large majority of them involve coming up with creative ways to destroy things, including hard drives.

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    1. Re:/. Participation by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      Somebody already beat you to that idea....

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    2. Re:/. Participation by Stenchwarrior · · Score: 1

      Well....damn

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    3. Re:/. Participation by Ironica · · Score: 1

      And stenchwarrior is sorta right, given that the Iraq war and the London bombings made the list, but most of it is political and religious.

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  9. The most fun... by iamhigh · · Score: 1

    Is to slowly destroy them physically. Back in the day we convinced our clueless boss that all drives had to be completely disassembled to prevent data theft; so we sat around when we were bored taking apart drives. We used the magnets, well, as magnets. But the electric motors were awesome! You can hook them up directly to power for a full on motor, or you can try to keep the drive in tact enough to still hook it up to the computer. Combined with some software (can't remember now) we were able to control the rpms and spin up of the disks. Made a great desk fan (ok actually you could buy a better one for 5 bucks than our hacked up version) or simply a good way to scare the crap out of someone when they sit on your desk.

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    1. Re:The most fun... by impaledsunset · · Score: 2, Informative

      Trying to destruct a drive while the plates are spinning and the disk is open can be dangerous. I've done it a few times, but recently there are some manufacturers that make the plates from glass, and the glass can easily be crused if you do something to the plates while they're spinning, or you spin them too fast. I knew a kid who had been injured by hitting a glass plate of a hard drive while it was spinning.

    2. Re:The most fun... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what hard drive motor did you hook directly to power and it worked ??

      They are brush-less motors .. no commutator ..

      I call bullshit

      for an example of whats needed to run them

      http://redirectingat.com/?id=487X782&url=http%3A%2F%2Fww1.microchip.com%2Fdownloads%2Fen%2FAppNotes%2FSensorless%2520BLDC%252000901a.pdf

  10. Ten Ways To Destroy a Hard Disk by Shakrai · · Score: 5, Funny

    1) .45 caliber 1911 style handgun (gets the job done)

    2) .357 magnum revolver (gets the job done with a louder bang)

    3) 10mm auto handgun (gets the job done and lets you pretend to be Ted Nugent)

    4) .44 magnum revolver (gets the job done and lets you pretend to be Clint Eastwood)

    5) 9mm handgun (gets the job done and lets you pretend that you have a real gun ;)

    6) 12 gauge shotgun (gets the job done and looks/sounds really cool)

    7) .30-06 rifle (REALLY gets the job done)

    8) .50BMG rifle (useful if you run into a hard drive with armor plate)

    9) .22LR plinking rifle (gets the job done in a cost effective manner)

    10) .223 fired from an AR-15 (gets the job done while scaring the crap out of any nearby big city types that assume any black rifle with a pistol grip is a weapon of mass destruction)

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    1. Re:Ten Ways To Destroy a Hard Disk by Eberlin · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hey, I think I saw this guy at a healthcare townhall meeting!

    2. Re:Ten Ways To Destroy a Hard Disk by NervousNerd · · Score: 1

      Basically your post is a way to let me **WHOOOSHH** you.

    3. Re:Ten Ways To Destroy a Hard Disk by mindbrane · · Score: 1

      Anyone who needs more than a .25 cal is a spray 'n pray whoose ;)

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    4. Re:Ten Ways To Destroy a Hard Disk by Jawn98685 · · Score: 1

      I have a .223 that sends 40 gr moly-coated Vmax bullets out at about 3700 fps. Punching holes in a hard drive is nothing. I want to see what really fast, highly frangible bullets do to a spinning hard drive. I have a stack of old drives, an old AT power supply, a 12v battery, and a DC inverter (it's 100 yards down to the impact area - that's a lot of extension cord to roll up when done). Now I just need to scare up a video camera that is up to the task of documenting the drives' demise.

    5. Re:Ten Ways To Destroy a Hard Disk by H0p313ss · · Score: 1

      Basically your post is a poor attempt to wave you penis around.

      Basically your post is a extremely effective attempt at demonstrating that you have absolutely no sense of humor ;)

      Perhaps both

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    6. Re:Ten Ways To Destroy a Hard Disk by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Basically your posts suck. Just give it up already.

    7. Re:Ten Ways To Destroy a Hard Disk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Shooting with a .223 can have other interesting effects as well (at least that's the one I noticed this on). I used a hypervelocity varmint load, light bullet, real fast, like 3800 fps, in a good rifle that can take that kind of overload. This was a plastic tip thing designed to more or less explode on contact -- even a piece of cardboard will make it go fragmented.

      In shooting a floppy drive, one that really deserved it, I managed to hit the magnet for the drive motor, and powder it. The sudden disappearance of the field while still inside the windings made a high voltage pulse, a flash of lightning about 2 feet in diameter, and plastic parts flew 50 yards, and were burnt when recovered. As that drive had caused us no end of trouble, there was cheering all around.

      Regardless of what you believe about being able to get things back from the part they *let* you write on....this just has to be more fun than that. Too bad for you city guys who can't experience this firsthand like us country boys with a legal shooting range on the back 40.

      Next time we'll try Tannerite....heh.

    8. Re:Ten Ways To Destroy a Hard Disk by space_jake · · Score: 1

      Also, ten reasons to love the Second Amendment.

    9. Re:Ten Ways To Destroy a Hard Disk by BenEnglishAtHome · · Score: 1

      I love people with no sense of humor.

      Around our office, I maintain the "Visitor's Doc", a two-page list of places to eat and things to do for people who are assigned to our office for a week or two. We have a constant stream of these folks from all over the country. Their stays are usually short and they appreciate a guide that tells them where to get lunch.

      For the ones staying over the weekend, there's a section on things to do that includes the following:

      #1 fun thing that's perfectly normal in Texas but might seem out of the ordinary to visitors from less civilized parts of the world? Rent some guns and blow stuff up (well, perforate some targets) at any of the shooting ranges in town.

      For some reason I can't figure, some people don't find that amusing. I simply can't figure out why. In the past, I've taken trainees out to rent machine guns, fer goodness sake. (I'll never forget the look of unalloyed joy that came over the face of a young lady from Chicago who'd never fired a gun in her life as she loosed an entire magazine of 9mm from an H&K MP5. Fun stuff, that.) Just because somebody likes to shoot is no reason to accuse them of waving their penis. Shooting is fun. You ought to try it.

    10. Re:Ten Ways To Destroy a Hard Disk by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      The camera you require isn't going to be electronic. Also, and this is often neglected for some reason, you're going to need some *powerful* lighting in addition to the camera.

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    11. Re:Ten Ways To Destroy a Hard Disk by NotBornYesterday · · Score: 1

      11) Wave my penis around and then smash the hard drive with it. (Absolutely pulverizes the drive, and is great way to destroy multiple drives at once, but requires two hands and a firm grip.)

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    12. Re:Ten Ways To Destroy a Hard Disk by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      Ooooh...

      So this could be replicated, by suspending a strong but small and/or weak magnet in a good amount of copper winding? Blow out the magnet, and phoosh!?

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    13. Re:Ten Ways To Destroy a Hard Disk by Ironica · · Score: 1, Funny

      What's the point of 3700 fps? The human eye can't possibly see the difference after about 50 fps. Any more than that, and your video card is just an expensive heater. But maybe it'd be useful to keep the chug at bay for big raid fights.

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    14. Re:Ten Ways To Destroy a Hard Disk by orcateers · · Score: 1

      When I worked at an e-discovery firm, it was in our best practices guidelines to use a hammer. Relatively safe, cost effective, and idiot-proof.

    15. Re:Ten Ways To Destroy a Hard Disk by dotgain · · Score: 3, Funny

      Oh my God someone used "loosed" correctly!

    16. Re:Ten Ways To Destroy a Hard Disk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Feet per second not frames per second.

    17. Re:Ten Ways To Destroy a Hard Disk by element-o.p. · · Score: 1

      Maybe, but none of my other guns (which include three .22LRs and a .25, so you can see that I enjoy the smaller calibers, too) are nearly as viscerally satisfying as the shotgun.

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    18. Re:Ten Ways To Destroy a Hard Disk by element-o.p. · · Score: 1

      My .300 WinMag is nearly that fast...I'll have to try it sometime. Preferably near dusk :)

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    19. Re:Ten Ways To Destroy a Hard Disk by mindbrane · · Score: 1
      >are nearly as viscerally satisfying as the shotgun.

      Not if you're on the receiving end. Wing Master double bar pump w/ a SSG load, best of all possible worlds.

      Peace Out:)

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    20. Re:Ten Ways To Destroy a Hard Disk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, a hard disk in its shell can be quite good protection from 9mm handguns - they withstand the blast. I believe this is also true for a .357 magnum. Two overlapping sheets of such drives would make a "normal" handgun-proof barrier. I wouldn't count on any handguns going through a 3.5" hard drive anyway. They will put a good dent in, but I have seen this tested extensively. I'm interested if a .22 will do the job. Any high powered rifle will go through like a warm knife in butter, however.

    21. Re:Ten Ways To Destroy a Hard Disk by BenEnglishAtHome · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the big laugh I just enjoyed. I got it, mind you, not from your statement but from the fact that you felt it necessary to do the entire thing in bold.

    22. Re:Ten Ways To Destroy a Hard Disk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Feet per second not frames per second.

      How many rib-cages-per-second is that?

    23. Re:Ten Ways To Destroy a Hard Disk by Twinbee · · Score: 1

      11) Rocket launcher (gets the job done in case of the previous methods are not thorough enough)

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    24. Re:Ten Ways To Destroy a Hard Disk by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      Actually, a hard disk in its shell can be quite good protection from 9mm handguns - they withstand the blast. I believe this is also true for a .357 magnum.

      I call bullshit. A hard drive's "shell" is nothing more than a thin piece of sheet metal. The 9mm may be a wussy round but it's up to the task of going through a few millimeters of sheet steel. The .357 was originally designed to penetrate the body armor worn by bootleggers in the 30s. It will also go through a car door with ease. If you are counting on one or two hard drives to stop it I think you are in for a rude surprise.

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  11. Leverage the spinning platters to your advantage by bugg · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Everyone knows drives are most vulnerable when the heads are engaged, and the spinning platters should cause a single destructive action to potentially spread to the entire circumference. Why not do a write operation to the entire disk and hit it with a hammer during the write? Do that properly and the heads should go flying off in pieces into the platters, and the platters spinning with the loose head material should ensure nothing survives.

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  12. When you're done... by SOdhner · · Score: 1

    You can turn them into art. I was at a local monthly thing that has booths where various types of hippies sell art or make you sign petitions to legalize marijuana, and someone was selling disc drives that had been shot, warped, or half-melted. He had turned them into clocks and other forms of useful art. It was really cool, and it allowed me to see the kind of damage some of the things on this list would do.

    1. Re:When you're done... by iansmith · · Score: 1

      Yes, turning hard drives into clocks can be fun... :-)

      http://www.ian.org/HD-Clock/

    2. Re:When you're done... by TheCarp · · Score: 1

      Dirty Hippie!

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  13. Death by locomotive by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 1
    I think it's hard to beat death by locomotive for unusabilitification...

    I have a friend whose brother is a locomotive engineer, so whenever I have a bunch of drives to destroy, we head for the railroad yard when the brother works the night shift (no bosses at that time), and we merrily lay down the drives on the track, and the brother brings along his engine we watch the crunch crunch crunch crunch action. His brother can enjoy the action too, as the engines are remote controlled (like toy cars)...

    1. Re:Death by locomotive by OrangeMonkey11 · · Score: 1

      It's a great idea but only if we all have the same hook up to a locomotive engine like you do, otherwise there will be a risk you you getting arrested and possibly be charge with attempting to derail a train.

  14. Re:Duh: use a WIll It Blend blender. by impaledsunset · · Score: 3, Funny

    And after you shred the disk with the blender, don't forget to try to return it to get your money back.

  15. Easiest Destruction Method by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Funny

    Give it to my sister. If her laptop and last five cell phones are any indication, it'll end up with vodka dumped on it after a party or smashed to pieces in the middle of the street or even at the bottom of a toilet in a club. You would never believe how frequently that last one happens.

    I swear jean designers are in cahoots with cell phone manufacturers. Just slip your hard drive into the back pocket of a girl in a night club wearing tight jeans ... aw, who am I kidding, this is Slashdot.

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    1. Re:Easiest Destruction Method by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmmm...I'm now certain we'd all like to meet your sister.

      ;D

    2. Re:Easiest Destruction Method by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but you'll never get the tuna smell out.

    3. Re:Easiest Destruction Method by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just go to the free clinic. You'll find her.

    4. Re:Easiest Destruction Method by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      She sounds like a hot, nasty, party girl slut. Can I meet her?

    5. Re:Easiest Destruction Method by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Finding the girl is going to be hard, but a nightclub wearing tight jeans? That's going to be nearly impossible.

  16. The Actual List ... by neonprimetime · · Score: 5, Informative

    1 - The classic hammer
    2 - "What's wrong with an angle grinder?"
    3 - The average welding torch
    4 - weaponry, from 12-gauge shotguns to high velocity rifles
    5 - Science fans will be pleased to see an electromagnet on the list
    6 - use a drill
    7 - Hard disk platters are generally made from aluminium, which melts at 660.32C
    8 - Electric log splitters
    9 - An industrial shredder
    10 - Finally, another method that scores valuable points for science: Thermite

    1. Re:The Actual List ... by Xtifr · · Score: 1

      10 seems redundant with 7 (thermite burns at up to 2500C, according to Wikipedia), and I'm not sure why 5 and 10 get science points while 7 doesn't.

    2. Re:The Actual List ... by Tycho · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and all of the methods the GP posted are needlessly messy, dangerous, and destructive. Try this instead: http://cmrr.ucsd.edu/people/Hughes/SecureErase.shtml
      Secure Erase uses ATA commands to tell the drive erase itself using the drive's own built in methods. Using the Secure Erase ATA command will erase parts of the drive that are normally missed by reformatting using the OS, and takes on the order of 20 minutes. Data on an ATA hard drive can be missed by the OS, ATA drives reallocate sectors due to damaged media and do so on the fly. If this happens and an all zero reformat is attempted, the old sectors are left behind, potentially with usable data left behind. The issue is that the ATA command set only exposes logical locations on the drive and not the direct physical addresses. Multiple pass erasing stresses the drive media a large amount, shortening the life of the drive itself. In any case, a secure erase will get the hidden data erased better anyway.

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    3. Re:The Actual List ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could add more iron oxide and hope that it reacts with the aluminium of the hard drive. That would be a step up from melting it.

      Also you could come up with a solar furnace for environmentally friendly melting it.

    4. Re:The Actual List ... by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      How is thermite not number one? The quantity of thermite required to destroy a hard drive will easily fit in a 3.5" drive bay (above the drive in question), and can be made from materials purchased exclusively at Toys 'R' Us, including the ignition device. The only downside is that you have to build your case out of refractory bricks, so no over-clocking.

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    5. Re:The Actual List ... by Ironica · · Score: 1

      10 seems redundant with 7 (thermite burns at up to 2500C, according to Wikipedia), and I'm not sure why 5 and 10 get science points while 7 doesn't.

      If you RTFA, 7 is actually a recommendation to melt the aluminum down and recycle it. After the Thermite, I doubt your local recycling center will have much use for what's left.

      And I guess environmental science doesn't count...

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    6. Re:The Actual List ... by element-o.p. · · Score: 1

      You, sir, have no sense of adventure! :)

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    7. Re:The Actual List ... by ignavus · · Score: 1

      4 - weaponry, from 12-gauge shotguns to high velocity rifles

      I don't understand this reluctance to move beyond hand-held weapons. Six-inch naval guns would take out a hard disk very thoroughly, especially when firing armour-piercing shells. Let's see someone reconstruct a disk that has been blasted into 200,000 pieces of shrapnel.

      And while we are at it, why is no one talking about a rocket laden with hard disks racing towards the Sun? Try retrieving THAT data after it hits the target!

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  17. Fastest way by G-LOC · · Score: 4, Funny

    1. buy rare earth magnet. 2. play with magnet. 3. place magnet in pocket. 4. sit down and put macbook on lap. 5. call apple support. 6. tell technician "err it no work" 7. write good review of apple support.

    1. Re:Fastest way by Anti_Climax · · Score: 1

      I've wondered about this. I mean, *right* next to the platters in a hard disk are two rare earth magnets. The voice coil that controls the head position pushes against the field they create. If the platters spinning by them at a few thousand RPMs doesn't mess them up, I can't see how a static magnetic field outside the machine is likely to do the deed.

      Now an alternating electromagnetic field like a tape eraser or inductive soldering iron...

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  18. thats some high quality H20 by Em+Emalb · · Score: 1

    Why not just toss them in a bucket of water for a few months?

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    1. Re:thats some high quality H20 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because it won't destroy the data, and will possibly leave the electronics intact assuming you don't power it up while still wet.

    2. Re:thats some high quality H20 by Em+Emalb · · Score: 1

      Rust?

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    3. Re:thats some high quality H20 by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      Rust?

            Most modern hard drives are sealed. So maybe the casing will rust, but the silver and gold contacts won't, nor will the water get inside.

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  19. Re:Leverage the spinning platters to your advantag by SOdhner · · Score: 3, Funny

    I can confirm that this works.

    ...

    Even if destroying the drive wasn't intentional. Sigh.

  20. Nuke it from orbit! by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 3, Funny

    That's the only way to be sure.

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  21. I like the CIA/NSA method the most by Skapare · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... which is to grind the device into dust, carried out entirely under supervision with all employees holding top secret clearances. I don't know where the dust then goes, but I doubt it's out of the country.

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    1. Re:I like the CIA/NSA method the most by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And now we know where McDonald's milk shakes come from.

    2. Re:I like the CIA/NSA method the most by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Little known fact: Keith Richards has top secret clearance.

  22. Fridge Magnets by mindbrane · · Score: 1

    1st of all ya gotta salvage the cool and powerful magnets then the platters are pretty easy to destroy.

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  23. Become a plumber by lttlordfault · · Score: 5, Interesting
    After reading the parent article, one thing I noticed was that welding torches and angle grinders seem to create a sense of well being within your average geek. I have to say, as a plumber who also has a keen interest in all things technological, there's nothing more satisfying than breaking into something with either a blow torch, angle grinder or a drill. I love my job, that I have to use these tools every day gives me great satisfaction and makes me feel like a real man :D

    When going through higher education I was originally aiming for a career in IT but half way through decided I didn't really fancy sitting at a desk all day. Becoming a plumber has definitely been the best decision I ever made, I get to work with really cool tools every day, plus I'm at the top of my profession having started plumbing about 6 years ago. I'm one of only 3 people qualified at my level in Mid Wales, and so am in incredible demand. I mainly work on servicing/maintenance on commercial/industrial heating and ventilation systems and see some incredibly cool tech every day. Sorry to brag, but as a self confessed geek, I have to say, plumbing is freaking awesome!

    Kinda off topic, sorry about that. I don't often have any connection with anything posted on /. but like to read about it anyway.

    1. Re:Become a plumber by couchslug · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You are also in a trade that will be in demand longer than you will live, can not be outsourced, whose services all modern humans require, and whose required skill set makes you a versatile fellow.

      "I mainly work on servicing/maintenance on commercial/industrial heating and ventilation systems and see some incredibly cool tech every day."

      Mmm. No shit piping! What's not to like? :)

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    2. Re:Become a plumber by Jamamala · · Score: 1

      I'm one of only 3 people qualified at my level in Mid Wales

      So you could say that you're the only plumber in the vil-lage.

    3. Re:Become a plumber by illtud · · Score: 1

      I mainly work on servicing/maintenance on commercial/industrial heating and ventilation systems and see some incredibly cool tech every day.

      Here in Mid Wales? Cripes. Do we have any commerce or industry? (I joke, I joke)

    4. Re:Become a plumber by lttlordfault · · Score: 1

      I do spend more time driving from place to place than anything else. The area I cover is huge, from Chester to Bangor to Brecon and everything in between. Plus I live in Telford so on average I do about 6 hours driving in a day!

    5. Re:Become a plumber by The+Breeze · · Score: 1

      Have no fear that you don't belong on Slashdot because you're a plumber. You just posted two paragraphs rhapsodizing about the joys of being a plumber and the "incredibly cool tech" in commercial systems and yet somehow totally neglected to mention the legions of attractive, lonely neglected housewives who need someone to look at their pipes. You're definitely part of the slashdot nation.

    6. Re:Become a plumber by illtud · · Score: 1

      Telford? You have my sympathy. I live about 30 years distant (in a good way) in Aberystwyth. But still, a Big Hi from a Slashdotter in your neck of the woods (albeit posted from Bangor, tonight). My flippant remark was no response to your insightful post, I agree with your point that geek satisfaction isn't confined to traditional ICT roles.

  24. How to ensure all data is lost by Burning1 · · Score: 5, Funny

    My favorite way to ensure all data is lost on an hard disk is to store the only copy of my Master's thesis on that drive.

    1. Re:How to ensure all data is lost by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      I bet your master gets pissed when that happens.

    2. Re:How to ensure all data is lost by Burning1 · · Score: 1

      Touche, Sir!

  25. One option by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you still have a copy of Windows ME you could try installing it. It killed a hard disk I had better than a bullet.

  26. Seems to me... by DigitalSorceress · · Score: 1

    It seems to me you really only need one: Mossberg.

    And lo it did come to pass that the frustrated IT geek spaketh "Go ahead, make my day", as they prepared to dispense final judgment upon the failing storage device. And there was a joyous noise and the bits and pieces were taken up unto the Lord in his mercy. Amen.

    Thus ends the reading from the book of Jobs.

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  27. Fun by Demonantis · · Score: 1

    My current manager enjoys dismantling the hard disks after rather stressful meetings. I think anything after that is just fooling around. You would have to be seriously good at figuring out the sector information for that disk to get anything useful and even then its likely been ruined by dust and other platters in the pile.

  28. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 3, Funny

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  29. Circular reasoning by hcdejong · · Score: 1

    So a blog post gets a /. mention. Then the blogger summarizes the /. comments into a top-ten list (and a quick perusal suggests it's just a copy-and-paste job of the +5 comments, no new information added) and submits this summary as another /. story and gets those recycled comments accepted?
    A rather cheap way to drive up page hits, IMO.

  30. Sometimes the hammer has drawbacks by Erbo · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I had some old hard disks I needed to destroy a while back, so I thought I'd just open up the cases and then pound the platters into submission with a hammer. I did this on the kitchen floor.

    Unfortunately, the first drive I opened was an old IBM DeskStar. I had forgotten what DeskStar drive platters were made of...

    One swing and I had to call a halt to the whole operation while I swept a metric buttload of treacherous fragments of shattered glass up off my kitchen floor.

    I conducted the rest of the destruction outside, near the Dumpster.

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    1. Re:Sometimes the hammer has drawbacks by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      Deskstar platters are made from glass? How is that possible? That's actually one of the few drive types I've not done any percussive adjustment to.

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    2. Re:Sometimes the hammer has drawbacks by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      It's true. Hitachi (IBM) uses glass substrate platters. When they shatter, it's like pixie dust and ultra-fine needles. With those, I prefer to hit them with a hammer while still encased. An instant maraca...

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    3. Re:Sometimes the hammer has drawbacks by EkriirkE · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Looks like; cood head crash photos: http://www.astro.ufl.edu/~ken/crash/index.html

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    4. Re:Sometimes the hammer has drawbacks by owlstead · · Score: 1

      That's just so cool. I assume he did not get any data back from that drive :)

  31. More industrial shredder video by aussersterne · · Score: 1

    at http://www.watchitshred.com/ Perhaps the most impressively physical set of videos I've ever seen.

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  32. Destroying a hard drive? by pluther · · Score: 1

    Apparently, asking the Best Buy staff to install a new video card will work pretty well.

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  33. Arrow of time. by hyperion2010 · · Score: 1

    All I can say is that we're lucky the arrow of time only goes one way because the math says that no matter how much you smash the damned thing you can always put it back together. Thus it might be worth investing in a crab or two to eat a couple pieces of it (a cookie of you know the story).

  34. BINARY JOKE by space_jake · · Score: 1

    10 ways to destroy a hard-drive: 1 - Drill-bit through center plate 10 - Bustadrive

  35. 11th Way To Destroy A Hard Disk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Use Windows.

    Sincerely,
    K. Trout

  36. Very Easy way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Take the hard drive cover plate off exposing the platters. Fill it with a small amount of sand. Not too much or the platters will not turn. Then take it and power it up for an hour or until it quits. The sand will be an abrasive on the platters cleaning them of any data.

    coffee

  37. Secure Erase as specified in the ATA Spec by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Simplest solution, use the internal Secure Erase command in the hard disk itself as specified in the ATA standard,
    your drive will take care of everything for you, also erasing any potential blocks that has been marked as bad:
    http://cmrr.ucsd.edu/people/Hughes/SecureErase.shtml

  38. Awesome by otopico · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Hey, rather than find a way to reuse a complicated piece of tech, lets play like cavemen and come up with awesome ways to break it so no one can do anything with it.

    Sure, some data is too valuable to risk, but it is 2009, you would think we would have a non-physically destructive way to securely erase data rather than a hammer.

    The scope of the pure wastefulness of this is just sick. Yeah, I'm probably in a minority, but this logic is why our landfills leach out heavy metals into the water table.

    America used to be resourceful and frugal.

    1. Re:Awesome by element-o.p. · · Score: 1

      Answer #1: What about hard drives that have failed, but you want to be sure that your...ahem...confidential data can't possibly be recovered? You won't be reusing the tech since you don't want to trust your data to hardware that is failing, so why not have some fun with it while making sure that no one else gets access to...well...whatever it is you don't want them getting access to?

      Answer #2: If you work for a TLA, or if you have other seriously confidential data (HIPAA, etc.), then you might opt to use non-physically destructive ways of destroying the data, followed by physically destroying the data to *really* make sure the data is unrecoverable.

      Answer #3: Face it...when push comes to shove, people trust results that they can see. Smashed with a hammer? Melted with thermite? Ground to a pile of fine dust? Yep, I can see that the data is gone. "Well, sir, I used the ATA Spec Secure Erase to ensure that all the data is gone." But can the boss -- or the regulators, auditors, etc. -- really tell that the data is gone? How do you know the employee didn't miss a drive by accident while erasing that box of 500 drives? Is he really erasing the data, or is he just *saying* he erased it, then sticking the drives in a dumpster, retrieving them at night and selling the data to identity thieves/your business competitor/the IRS/the Russians?

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    2. Re:Awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My favorite is DBAN.

  39. Burn it up in the atmosphere by mb-texas · · Score: 2, Interesting

    See the "TubeSat Personal Satellite Kit" post from August 2nd: http://science.slashdot.org/story/09/08/02/1653256/Orbit-Your-Own-Satellite-For-8000?art_pos=8

  40. This is what I use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://bit.ly/grdxX

  41. Use silica sand in a capsule by awfar · · Score: 1

    A similar concept to yours, pressing a silicone button on the drive breaks open a sealed capsule of silica sand into the HDA; this would most certainly scrub any magnetic film from the rotating disks. And during its self destruction, it would attempt to rezero and seek, sure to polish most every data surface and thoroughly destroying the heads .

  42. Oddly enough... by egcagrac0 · · Score: 1

    I just destroyed two drives yesterday.

    After throwing them 20 feet in the air (repeatedly) and watching them bounce, I realized that the platters still hadn't shattered - darn, they must be aluminum. (Deskstars are easy to destroy like this. They make pretty sounds with all the tinkling platterparts inside - like a rainstick.)

    So I took them into the tool shop, cut about halfway through them with a chop saw (glorified angle grinder), then clamped them into the vise, and struck them with a hammer.

    The result is that the cast aluminum chassis of the drive is cracked in two, and the platter (old, low capacity drives with a single platter) has a big notch cut out of it, and the rest of it is hopelessly warped.

    Yes, these were with disks with errors. DBAN no effect.

  43. Infallable method by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've found the only consistently reliable way to make a hard drive fail is to overload it with cherished porn.

  44. A freind of mine once.... by BigGar' · · Score: 2, Funny

    .. discovered the fastest way to destroy a hard drive. It was to put the only copy of his PHd. dissertation on one.

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  45. Re:Leverage the spinning platters to your advantag by hurfy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Hmm, i don't think it will work so well on modern drives but we had an old hard disk from our mini computer turn itself into a metal lathe one night. Came in the next day to find a whole room full of aluminum shavings. Shredded several of the 11" platters into nothingness. After the pieces went through the fan nothing was more than 1/8 x 1". At least everyone understood the value of the offline backup.....

    Very effective data destruction however it was a tad messy after it blew about a million aluminum curly-Q's all over the place.

    The part even harder to picture these days....they repaired the drive!

    Most of the new stuff is probably too hard to convince to destroy itself nearly so well :(

  46. Lose all your data the easy way. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought the easiest way to ruin your hard disk was to install Windows on it.

  47. Might make a good Mythbusters segment by MartinSchou · · Score: 1

    They could enlist the help of a data recovery company to test the feasibility of recovering data from the drives in question.

    Could include SSDs for good measure.

    Now obviously they'd try out violence (hammer, grinders), thermite, various weapons and explosives, but it'd be interesting to see their take on it, even if the 'simple' ways (like wiping and electro magnets) hardly make for good TV (let alone fast with wiping).

    Even a "here's the quickest way to erase everything securely" bit would be fun.

    I mean - it is a myth that you cannot securely erase data with a single wipe.

  48. Simplest Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Install Microsoft Vista

  49. 0 Recovery by PincushionMan · · Score: 1

    No, it's true! As a forensic specialist, give me a disk that has been overwritten with zeros, and I can recover approximately 50% of the bits that were on the disk before it was wiped.

    Yeah, the zero bits. But the good stuff is in the zeros and ones.

  50. Drill Press by ManuelKelly · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I use my drill press to drill a 1/4" hole thru some of the chips and the platters.

    Anyone who wants to spend enough to get anything off of it after that is happy to do so.

    For a load of corporate data a couple of holes would probably do it. After that it would be easier to burglarize you and get a live disk or machine with the data on it.

  51. nuke it from orbit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    only way to be sure

  52. Microwave by SleazyRidr · · Score: 1

    Microwaves create pretty sparks while they're destroying electronics. Hence they are the best.

  53. simple way by DragonTHC · · Score: 2, Insightful

    dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda

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    1. Re:simple way by egcagrac0 · · Score: 1

      This only works if the drive is still functional, and it is connected to a computer.

      For those "we don't know what was on the drive, but we know we pulled it from a possibly sensitive machine" moments, mechanical destruction is a good choice.

  54. Easy... by SlashDev · · Score: 1

    ... Install Vista on it.

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  55. 3 - The average welding torch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOIf0JmZfrQ -> Here is an example of the average welding torch... I posted this link last time too if you have a sand mold ready you can cast a beer opener too!

  56. Digg by tsa · · Score: 1

    Please please leave the lists on Digg where they belong and concentrate on News.

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  57. .54 Hard Drive Destroyer by teknoviking · · Score: 1

    Well, not totally destroyed, but shooting one with a .54 cal Hawken style muzzle loader is an awful lot of fun... http://www.teknoviking.com/?p=83

  58. OK, I'll grant you it's not strictly necessary... by jeko · · Score: 1

    ..but ANY excuse to play with thermite and high-powered rifles, ya know? Stop trying to ruin the fun, OK? :-)

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  59. My method of HDD disposal by kheldan · · Score: 2, Informative

    1. Remove drive from computer
    2. Dismantle drive, remove platters and magnets
    3. Use magnets for interesting things
    4. Either: Use platters for interesting things, or: Destroy platters (bending them up works well)
    Cost: essentially nothing.

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    1. Re:My method of HDD disposal by Poppageorgio · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I work in law enforcement IT, and we routinely dispose of drives that have sensitive data on them. This is our technique. We strip the magnets and keep them on the workbench to hold screws when we take things apart, then smash the platters with an 8lb sledge hammer. If you can recover the data after a sledge hit, you're smart enough to go about obtaining this data another way!

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    2. Re:My method of HDD disposal by Poppageorgio · · Score: 1

      Also, as a side note, we invite people to our "smashing day". It seems to be pretty therapeutic for people to smash computer equipment!

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    3. Re:My method of HDD disposal by garnkelflax · · Score: 1

      That is my method too, but I give the platters to my kids. They usually end up outside in the mud as building components in their imagination related activities. I did keep a couple of patters around for use as flywheels for low pressure sterling engines though.

    4. Re:My method of HDD disposal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      why use magnets for interesting things???
      http://ptcpaidproof.blogspot.com/

  60. dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    thats it.
    you could use /dev/random but it will take a really long time.

  61. Send it out into open space -- by ClosedSource · · Score: 1

    widest possible dispersion?

  62. No IDE/SCSI Killer? by pclminion · · Score: 1

    This much discussion and not a single link to the IDE Killer (scroll about halfway down)?

  63. train by Hellswaters · · Score: 2, Funny

    One up the little kids putting the penny on the rail tracks . This should pretty much destroy it. If the train destroys it, the fireball should do the rest.

  64. Ten ways to ruin your reputation. by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

    This was the first one. And the second one follows now:

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  65. I'm sorry, but I immediately thought of the song.. by fyrewulff · · Score: 1

    You just cut out the back, Jack
    Put it in a pan , Stan
    You make it into alloy, Roy
    Just format your C:
    Use the degauss, Gus
    You don't need to discuss much
    Just lose the private key, Lee
    And get yourself free

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  66. dd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Step 1) dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/sdX bs=1 count=64 skip=446 seek=446
    Step 2) Turn off Computer
    Step 2) Curse loudly, as you realize you just dd'ed the wrong drive, and lost all your data.

    It just overwrites the partition table. Virtually instant. Make sure you put in the right drive.
    Though your data is not te

  67. DBAN + Power Saw = pretty good solution by MasterOfGoingFaster · · Score: 1

    I use DBAN if the drive is still good _AND_ I know where it is going (say - another PC at the same company). But I had a batch of small 20 GB IDE drives that were not worth the effort of DBAN'ing. I had a lot of them so the hammer method was out.

    Took them to the tool room and clamped them into a power saw. Cut the entire batch in half in about 8 seconds. Fun to watch, too. I am pretty sure there will be no data recovery off those puppy's.

    I guess I could do both if I _really_ had to be sure.

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  68. Easy Way You Missed by Plekto · · Score: 1

    My favorite method is to first yank the heads off(or bend them away a bit) so that they don't "crash" and stop the fun.

    Then dump a handful of powdered glass or sand into it, close it up, and run it until the main bearings seize. Sand-blasted and absolutely impossible to recover. Also makes great noises while nuking itself.

  69. Prior Art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My 10 year old daughter invented this last winter, hydraulic punch and all. There's a photo and everything.

    http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/dailystar/283776.php

  70. 2 ways more and 1 I like. by Allnighterking · · Score: 1

    1. Thermite. Flame big. Fire good. Drive gone.
    2. Give it to Mythbusters. Big boom, problem gone.
    3. Murlatic Acid. Etch that puppy!

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  71. well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Damn. Torx set, plus a bandsaw always works for me.

    Hans

  72. Re:I need to shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gunny Smith, is that you?

  73. WTF.....? by IHC+Navistar · · Score: 1

    Any hillbilly with a cutting torch can do it for less, and more efficiently.

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  74. Ten Ways To Destroy a Hard Disk - fun in education by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm disappointed by the lack of suggestions of thermite.

    - cheap
    - easy
    - effective

    What else?

  75. Wuss by bryan1945 · · Score: 1

    What, no nuclear fusion reactors? I thought kids were supposed to be innovative these days....

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  76. Milling it by j_sp_r · · Score: 1

    We have a part that's turning at a high RPM. Why not put a chisel against it and make it smaller? You would need some patience and a sharp chisel.

  77. Oversized pulse discharge "can crusher"? by Jared555 · · Score: 1

    What about sticking the hard drive inside a slightly more powerful pulse discharge can crusher?

    I am guessing it would take a lot more capacitance but it would be fun to see.

  78. Food blender by mtthwbrnd · · Score: 1

    I take the disk apart to get to the actual disk. Then I smash it up, it is very brittle. Then I put it in a food blender, and it turns almost to powder. Then I throw the dust in the bin. I don't think anybody can recover its data that way. It only takes 30 minutes. Remember to smash the board and chips up also ... because that is fun too.

  79. Bandsaw by Spugglefink · · Score: 1

    I haven't seen anyone mention the classic bandsaw approach yet. You have to be careful not to try to saw right through the bearings, or you'll destroy the blade (DAMHIKT) but the result is a cool set of bookends.

    (Use a bandsaw designed for cutting metal, not wood.)

  80. Propaganda by HD manufacturers by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 1

    It's just frickin wasteful. I think articles like this are subsidised by drive manufacturers.

    Hard disks are so large now, that the standard drive that's fitted to most systems is usually large enough to store all business data that system will ever need to. The only applications that produce enough data to saturate modern drives are video and transaction databases.

    The only real reason for physical destruction is to preserve the revenue streams of hard drive manufacturers.

    We're now being encouraged to physically destroy flash media at work by incineration or trauma. The flash media only ever contains encrypted data, so it's sufficient to only destroy the key blocks, then the data should be indistinguishable from random noise, and the drive reusable after a reformat. These "special" encrypted flash drives cost £64 for 2GB, when a standard drive of that capacity costs less than £5. McAffee must be laughing all the way to the bank.