Yeabbut; does YDL support nifty stuff like the keyboard eject button, or the speaker volume control, full hardware sleep, all those really slick little Apple features that just plain do not exist on x86 machines?
That's *NOT* the reason why I'd stick to OS X - clearly, if one needs the full-64-bit support YDL offers and OS X does not provide, then clearly YDL is the choice. But if one does not require that, and it's just for having a nice platform on which to run linux, part of that niceness is this set of Apple hardware integration features. . . so does YDL support those?
Columbus had a viable technological solution at the time. So did Oook and Eeek.
We. Do. Not.
It's not just expensive. It's really really frickin expensive. Should we just throw up our hands and give up?
Of course not. But the money should not be spent today on a glory shot. It should be spent on R&D towards developing the technology to make moon and/or mars colonization viable. Technology like:
1. Much much much much much cheaper and reliable launch technology. 2. Faster and better propulsion technology. 3. A more sane life-support technology than "more air tanks". 4. A sane plan for dealing with radiation. 5. Better knowledge and study of how to counter the effects of extended periods in micro/zero/low gravity. - and/or a realistic artificial gravity.
In the 1930's, rocket scientists dreamed of being able to launch things into orbit. But rocket technology simply was not capable of it at that time. There's a HUGE difference between an A-4, and the first orbital-capable rockets. And just because the Germans had an intercontinental bomber drawn up on paper in the early 1940's doesn't mean that it would have worked (it would have burned up and damn quick).
Giving up on X-33 was a bad move towards the above goals. Giving up on ALL space research, except that which gets us to the moon and mars for the "glory-shot" is a bad move. Pumping huge sums of money into an ill-advised Missile Defense boondoggle, instead of slow and methodical R&D drive for the above technologies, is another error of colossal proportions.
We were on the wrong track before. But now with the Bush plan, we're nowhere near the right track. A glory-shot is fine and dandy for national pride, but it accomplishes NOTHING if we can't effectively exploit resources on the moon and mars.
If you want to draw up historical parallels, look at the "Native Americans". They crossed over a land bridge, or glaciers from Northeast Asia. And were cut off from their cultural source. Because they did not have the technology to maintain communication and trade contacts. Their "colonization" of the Americas is not regarded as a huge cultural achievement.
There were several anchors, of Chinese design, many hundreds of years old, found off the coast of California. Yet there is no other evidence that they landed, or stayed very long, or settle,d, or colonized. It's little more than an academic curiosity.
Few people know or care about Leif Ericson's settlement in Vineland, in the 10th Century.
Columbus got all the glory. Because HIS journey was feasible. Not only did he GET to the New World, but they were able to build sustainable settlements, colonize, conquer, and prosper. Columbus had ships that were more reliable, protected sailors better in storms, and for longer periods of time, carried more supplies, more cheaply.
The Native Americans, Chinese, and Vikings can brag all they want. But real change resulted from Columbus.
The nagware notice in the Free Quicktime player is also driving people to other media players when they don't need QT for content compatability purposes.
The Geneva convention is designed to discourage "asymmetrical warfare".
It's a luxury that rich countries can afford - fighting with one hand tied behind our backs, but you can bet, when an enemy invades one of OUR countries, we'll defend our homeland by ANY means necessary, Geneva Convention be damned.
We have the expensive planes, satellite guided smart weapons, (though we still make mistakes and bomb red-cross installations), high tech communications, highly trained special forces, and equipment that's unmatched by any opponent on the battlefield. We don't have to violate the Geneva convention to win a war. Our opponents do. And they still lose. And when they DO violate the Geneva Convention, it's convenient propaganda for our side.
That said; I'm still happy that the Geneva Convention exists. Better than nothing.
To say that china has an amicable relationship with the US is false. they crashed a jet into a radar plane of ours, and we had to do some real legwork to get the crew back
That crew was SUPPOSED to blow the plane up. It was their standing order. That order could ONLY be countermanded by the POTUS (Bush).
The tinfoil hats on the right complain about Clinton selling missile technology to the Chinese. The tinfoil hats on the left know that Bush sold the spy plane to the Chinese.
Be glad you don't live in the world of the tinfoil hats. You wont know it when the end comes.
If your goal is military effectiveness, then YES, it is a waste of money and resources.
If your goal is sabre rattling, and war profiteering, then sinking buttloads of money into a technically useless venture is the best of all things to do.
Didn't Viacom and EchoStar have a fight over this issue just a few weeks ago?
Yes. EchoStar would "love" to be able to provide a la carte programming. But the big media chains won't sell their content to EchoStar unbundled. As soon as a law is passed to force broadcasters to unbundle - that law had better consider the content provider side of the equation.
And no - I don't give a crap about the edge programming. If it's not viable, then it will die off. And millions of Americans will go back to reading books.
Maybe someone can point out a case where something has been completely deregulated and turned into an industry with virtually no goverment introvention.
Halo existed before Microsoft bought Bungie. In fact, it was demoed on the first Power Mac G4. A full 2 years before MS-Bungie released it for XBox.
I think the world would have been JUST FINE without Microsoft. I think there would be a lot more vigorous competition among the various vendors. Hardware would be a bunch more expensive, but standards would have been adopted to mitigate that somewhat.
This isn't just Microsoft-bashing. But a LOT of people here are giving Microsoft WAY too much credit.
we may have had no alternative but to buy from IBM / Apple / Commodore / Atari / Dec / Sun what ever what have you.
Sounds like plenty of alternatives to me. Without Microsoft, don't you think that all of these players would have been able to step into the desktop market and compete with eachother?
I believe that these guys would have realized, (in this alternative sans-Microsoft universe) that they needed a set of standards to work with. We'd probably be without NETBIOS, SMB, WINS, and Microsoft-embraced versions of Java, DHCP, Kerberos, and soon, XML. There would be no "AGP" and PCI probably would have been evolved forward. There would probably also be no Rambus RAM either.
But I agree that Linux probably would not exist. More likely, a BSD variant in it's place.
The engine will not function at relatively low altitudes. The thicker air will likely poison the reaction, or at the very least, the characteristics of the shock wave will cause it to not be directed into the nozzle properly. It will likely slow significantly due to air-drag, without thrust, at low altitude.
But I think it might make a nifty interceptor warhead for NMD. . .
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A machine can send back data, information. A human can bring back knowledge.
What we're talking about here is the difference between data and knowledge.
I don't buy the line that says that Human spaceflight is nothing more than flag waving.
I'm talking about the very real MARKET effect that a high-demand career field has on degree programs, salaries of professors, cost of equipment, and cost of textbooks.
Whoever told you that university degrees were for vocational training and/or came with an ROI?!
ALL through High School, that's ALL I heard coming from my parents, guidance counsellors, teachers, you name it. They were all very effective salesmen for the "Higher Education Industry". "Get your piece of paper" they said - "It's worth more than gold".
Frankly, my degree is not in Computer Science, it's in Art. (I haven't done any "Art" in years). I found, after college that I love computers. Been more or less steadily employed since then. Should people have a RIGHT to work in a field if they don't love it? Sure. But they tend not to be as effective or competent, without that element of passion.
The reason why the degree costs $80k, is because it was a high-demand field.
The corellary to the $100k/yr starting salary for a "Web Designer" is a CIS graduate with skills befitting a "Web Designer". Taught by a professor with skills befitting a "Web Designer".
Perhaps now that corporations are cutting fat, maybe our higher education system will also cut the fat, and start building programs that actually teach, instead of milling diplomas.
And maybe, just maybe, the prices for such degrees will come back down to a realistic level as well.
Liquid water + Gently flowing means the following:
Mars was once geologically active -magnetic field protecting from solar radiation - thus, thicker atmosphere, thus, warmer, warm enough for flowing, liquid water, possibly also hot springs or undersea vents.
I'd be willing to bet that the first sample-return mission will bring back sedimentary rocks filled with fossilized remains of sea creatures. Whether they evolved past the protazoan stage, who knows? But the conditions certainly existed, billions of years ago, as they existed on earth.
As a proud, Patriotic, (constitutional constructionist, *not* Republican, thankyouverymuch), red-blooded American. . .: LMAO.
You can HAVE the Mercedes and BMW's back. (taken a look at the 04 Beemers. Why did they abduct Honda's designer and force him to work for them?) As long as I can keep my Porsche.
- - - Jolly good show on fining Microsoft. I'll bet you a Canadian dollar that they tie it up in appeals so long, that inflation erodes the fine down to nothing. (or that they find the right judge to bribe and get out of it, like they did here in the US).
And do the whole world a favor, and just switch to Linux already.
Publicly held companies get benefits from the Government in the form of Corporate charters, special limited liability for bankruptcy, agressive IP protection, public resources (natural and otherwise), tax breaks, the foreign-policy club, etc.
I think that the government certainly has a right to dictate back to corporations - and I think that corporations have a right to refuse to comply, at which point, they also forfeit all those nice handouts they formerly enjoyed. Including access to domestic markets.
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Yeabbut; does YDL support nifty stuff like the keyboard eject button, or the speaker volume control, full hardware sleep, all those really slick little Apple features that just plain do not exist on x86 machines?
That's *NOT* the reason why I'd stick to OS X - clearly, if one needs the full-64-bit support YDL offers and OS X does not provide, then clearly YDL is the choice. But if one does not require that, and it's just for having a nice platform on which to run linux, part of that niceness is this set of Apple hardware integration features. . . so does YDL support those?
Columbus had a viable technological solution at the time.
So did Oook and Eeek.
We. Do. Not.
It's not just expensive. It's really really frickin expensive.
Should we just throw up our hands and give up?
Of course not. But the money should not be spent today on a glory shot. It should be spent on R&D towards developing the technology to make moon and/or mars colonization viable. Technology like:
1. Much much much much much cheaper and reliable launch technology.
2. Faster and better propulsion technology.
3. A more sane life-support technology than "more air tanks".
4. A sane plan for dealing with radiation.
5. Better knowledge and study of how to counter the effects of extended periods in micro/zero/low gravity. - and/or a realistic artificial gravity.
In the 1930's, rocket scientists dreamed of being able to launch things into orbit. But rocket technology simply was not capable of it at that time. There's a HUGE difference between an A-4, and the first orbital-capable rockets. And just because the Germans had an intercontinental bomber drawn up on paper in the early 1940's doesn't mean that it would have worked (it would have burned up and damn quick).
Giving up on X-33 was a bad move towards the above goals.
Giving up on ALL space research, except that which gets us to the moon and mars for the "glory-shot" is a bad move.
Pumping huge sums of money into an ill-advised Missile Defense boondoggle, instead of slow and methodical R&D drive for the above technologies, is another error of colossal proportions.
We were on the wrong track before. But now with the Bush plan, we're nowhere near the right track. A glory-shot is fine and dandy for national pride, but it accomplishes NOTHING if we can't effectively exploit resources on the moon and mars.
If you want to draw up historical parallels, look at the "Native Americans". They crossed over a land bridge, or glaciers from Northeast Asia. And were cut off from their cultural source. Because they did not have the technology to maintain communication and trade contacts. Their "colonization" of the Americas is not regarded as a huge cultural achievement.
There were several anchors, of Chinese design, many hundreds of years old, found off the coast of California. Yet there is no other evidence that they landed, or stayed very long, or settle,d, or colonized. It's little more than an academic curiosity.
Few people know or care about Leif Ericson's settlement in Vineland, in the 10th Century.
Columbus got all the glory. Because HIS journey was feasible. Not only did he GET to the New World, but they were able to build sustainable settlements, colonize, conquer, and prosper. Columbus had ships that were more reliable, protected sailors better in storms, and for longer periods of time, carried more supplies, more cheaply.
The Native Americans, Chinese, and Vikings can brag all they want. But real change resulted from Columbus.
it's bizarre to censor sex and still allow showing people getting their brains blown out.
. . . or people getting beaten with a whip and crucified.
The nagware notice in the Free Quicktime player is also driving people to other media players when they don't need QT for content compatability purposes.
The Geneva convention is designed to discourage "asymmetrical warfare".
It's a luxury that rich countries can afford - fighting with one hand tied behind our backs, but you can bet, when an enemy invades one of OUR countries, we'll defend our homeland by ANY means necessary, Geneva Convention be damned.
We have the expensive planes, satellite guided smart weapons, (though we still make mistakes and bomb red-cross installations), high tech communications, highly trained special forces, and equipment that's unmatched by any opponent on the battlefield. We don't have to violate the Geneva convention to win a war. Our opponents do. And they still lose. And when they DO violate the Geneva Convention, it's convenient propaganda for our side.
That said; I'm still happy that the Geneva Convention exists. Better than nothing.
To say that china has an amicable relationship with the US is false. they crashed a jet into a radar plane of ours, and we had to do some real legwork to get the crew back
That crew was SUPPOSED to blow the plane up. It was their standing order. That order could ONLY be countermanded by the POTUS (Bush).
The tinfoil hats on the right complain about Clinton selling missile technology to the Chinese. The tinfoil hats on the left know that Bush sold the spy plane to the Chinese.
Be glad you don't live in the world of the tinfoil hats. You wont know it when the end comes.
This all depends on what your goal is.
If your goal is military effectiveness, then YES, it is a waste of money and resources.
If your goal is sabre rattling, and war profiteering, then sinking buttloads of money into a technically useless venture is the best of all things to do.
Janus was the god of Two Faces.
VERY Appropos for Microsoft.
It's all about ramping CEO compensation.
... a stable government requires a way to overthrow the leaders with a fair election.
. . . not just communism. ANY authoritarian system has this flaw.
Diebold intends to fix that flaw. . .
Didn't Viacom and EchoStar have a fight over this issue just a few weeks ago?
Yes. EchoStar would "love" to be able to provide a la carte programming. But the big media chains won't sell their content to EchoStar unbundled. As soon as a law is passed to force broadcasters to unbundle - that law had better consider the content provider side of the equation.
And no - I don't give a crap about the edge programming. If it's not viable, then it will die off. And millions of Americans will go back to reading books.
Maybe someone can point out a case where something has been completely deregulated and turned into an industry with virtually no goverment introvention.
The illegal drug industry.
You forgot the additional 23 million dollars to build a new football stadium.
Whiskey Tango FUCK?!
Halo existed before Microsoft bought Bungie. In fact, it was demoed on the first Power Mac G4. A full 2 years before MS-Bungie released it for XBox.
I think the world would have been JUST FINE without Microsoft. I think there would be a lot more vigorous competition among the various vendors. Hardware would be a bunch more expensive, but standards would have been adopted to mitigate that somewhat.
This isn't just Microsoft-bashing. But a LOT of people here are giving Microsoft WAY too much credit.
we may have had no alternative but to buy from IBM / Apple / Commodore / Atari / Dec / Sun what ever what have you.
Sounds like plenty of alternatives to me.
Without Microsoft, don't you think that all of these players would have been able to step into the desktop market and compete with eachother?
I believe that these guys would have realized, (in this alternative sans-Microsoft universe) that they needed a set of standards to work with. We'd probably be without NETBIOS, SMB, WINS, and Microsoft-embraced versions of Java, DHCP, Kerberos, and soon, XML. There would be no "AGP" and PCI probably would have been evolved forward. There would probably also be no Rambus RAM either.
But I agree that Linux probably would not exist. More likely, a BSD variant in it's place.
The engine will not function at relatively low altitudes. The thicker air will likely poison the reaction, or at the very least, the characteristics of the shock wave will cause it to not be directed into the nozzle properly. It will likely slow significantly due to air-drag, without thrust, at low altitude.
But I think it might make a nifty interceptor warhead for NMD. . .
A machine can send back data, information.
A human can bring back knowledge.
What we're talking about here is the difference between data and knowledge.
I don't buy the line that says that Human spaceflight is nothing more than flag waving.
I'm talking about the very real MARKET effect that a high-demand career field has on degree programs, salaries of professors, cost of equipment, and cost of textbooks.
Whoever told you that university degrees were for vocational training and/or came with an ROI?!
ALL through High School, that's ALL I heard coming from my parents, guidance counsellors, teachers, you name it. They were all very effective salesmen for the "Higher Education Industry". "Get your piece of paper" they said - "It's worth more than gold".
Frankly, my degree is not in Computer Science, it's in Art. (I haven't done any "Art" in years). I found, after college that I love computers. Been more or less steadily employed since then. Should people have a RIGHT to work in a field if they don't love it? Sure. But they tend not to be as effective or competent, without that element of passion.
Just because the uninstall program is broken (intentionally) doesn't mean Add/Remove is fake.
That's the thing.
The reason why the degree costs $80k, is because it was a high-demand field.
The corellary to the $100k/yr starting salary for a "Web Designer" is a CIS graduate with skills befitting a "Web Designer". Taught by a professor with skills befitting a "Web Designer".
Perhaps now that corporations are cutting fat, maybe our higher education system will also cut the fat, and start building programs that actually teach, instead of milling diplomas.
And maybe, just maybe, the prices for such degrees will come back down to a realistic level as well.
. . . and the way Microsoft sleazed their way out of the US trial - trying to claim that IE was an integral part of the OS. . .
Is it listed in Add/Remove programs?
Then it's a SEPARATE piece of software.
Liquid water + Gently flowing means the following:
Mars was once geologically active -magnetic field protecting from solar radiation - thus, thicker atmosphere, thus, warmer, warm enough for flowing, liquid water, possibly also hot springs or undersea vents.
I'd be willing to bet that the first sample-return mission will bring back sedimentary rocks filled with fossilized remains of sea creatures. Whether they evolved past the protazoan stage, who knows? But the conditions certainly existed, billions of years ago, as they existed on earth.
As a proud, Patriotic, (constitutional constructionist, *not* Republican, thankyouverymuch), red-blooded American. . . :
LMAO.
You can HAVE the Mercedes and BMW's back. (taken a look at the 04 Beemers. Why did they abduct Honda's designer and force him to work for them?) As long as I can keep my Porsche.
- - -
Jolly good show on fining Microsoft. I'll bet you a Canadian dollar that they tie it up in appeals so long, that inflation erodes the fine down to nothing. (or that they find the right judge to bribe and get out of it, like they did here in the US).
And do the whole world a favor, and just switch to Linux already.
Publicly held companies get benefits from the Government in the form of Corporate charters, special limited liability for bankruptcy, agressive IP protection, public resources (natural and otherwise), tax breaks, the foreign-policy club, etc.
I think that the government certainly has a right to dictate back to corporations - and I think that corporations have a right to refuse to comply, at which point, they also forfeit all those nice handouts they formerly enjoyed. Including access to domestic markets.
I think that to MOST of the rest of the world, given the excuses that were used, and how none of them panned out, it already looks bad.