To say that the committee in Congress didn't know is a lie.
Good thing I didn't say that then. This is even alluded to in the MSN article I link. Even if I had that in no way implies it's a lie, although calling it a lie might well be. And what was it, yesterday, the day before, when I posted that detecting lies is not at all the same thing as detecting truth?
The eavesdropping program was very closely held, with cryptic briefings for only a few congressional leaders. Once again, Addington and his allies made sure that possible dissenters were cut out of the loop.
Are you now going to argue that the FBI knew who Deep Throat was all along?
Or a few tens of thousands of rural poor who still don't have all three of these things?
That would be a few billions. About half of the world's population.
After all, that's the kind of Microsoft thinking that lost them the PC market, and the browser market, and the console market . ..
Except for the PC market all denied by Microsoft as being important years after everyone else knew where the party was. They stand as a good example that one can be wrong, late to the party, and still end up being the life of it in time.
At this point in time they are floating an alternative to Negroponte's idea, as they must. Negroponte took the field first and gained postion. Microsoft must take to whatever hedgerows and odd little dips in the field they can find to accord them cover.
That doesn't mean that ten years from now they won't be dominating the cheap, cranked laptop market world wide and crowing about their great "innovation."
Ideas floated merely to provide opposition to someone else's ideas only rarely have anything to do with what is actually done down the line.
Negroponte has commited himself to a product. Microsoft has as yet committed themselves to nothing but talk.
That's the way the game is played. A term was invented to describe this game back in the day when IBM was the player.
It's entirely possible. Lord knows I have been before; and most often most recently.
It seems as if Microsoft has identified a demographic for which the cell phone plus TV set solution would be better in some way than Negroponte's $100 laptop solution.
But I do not believe I am confused about this.
Why would the lack of TV broadcasts and local TV broadcast infrastructure make this solution fail?
Because you buy a TV to watch it.
The user could always run applications directly from the phone, and store data there as well
They can already do this on the phones/pdas they already have without buying a new one from Microsoft. The whole point of the thing is be able to function as a laptop competitor with a full size screen and keyboard. No Negroponte and Microsoft wouldn't even be floating the idea around as it is.
Fair enough, except that I've pointed out that in Brazil alone there have to be a good couple hundred thousand poor people who have both power and TVs.
Microsoft does not and is not playing for small niche markets like that. When they entered the Office Suite market they intended to own it %100. When they entered the gaming console market they intended to own it 100%.
Negroponte has come along with an idea that threatens to shut them out of a huge market if they don't grab it first. The fight is over nations and continents, not mere cities.
What's more, Negroponte will be starting people off on their first computing track with Linux, not Windows. Trust me, Bill does not like that idea, not even in the Mato Grasso.
I did not say poor people do not have TVs. I am a poor person. I have a TV.
The majority of the poor people in the third world live where they do not have access to the infrastructure to make a TV useful. Like power. There's no grid. Cross a line on the way out of town, no more power. There are still a few places in the Appalachians like that.
The pub still functions as the community gathering spot where people come together to watch the TV in the area. Sometimes that pub is the only place in town with a refrigerator too. They don't put food in it. It's for beer. Soda is consumed warm.
The president was granted this power by congress and congress knew all along about it.
Nonsense. Congress knew nothing about it. The wiretaps were "authorized" by the Office of Legal Council, an arm of the Justice Department full of appointed judges, appointed by. ..Guess who?
Nor was there a lot of agreement within the OLC about the legality of the wiretaps:
These are the same people who said that just because we signed the Geneva Convention doesn't mean we're bound by it, but can still bitch about anyone else not obeying it, because it's the law.
It seems to me that Microsoft has its target market all figured out.
It's a perfectly valid market, one where there is a tight infrastructure and money to feed it. One where Microsoft might well make some headway. You'll find plenty of TVs in NYC and Boston as well, even among the poorest of the poor, but Microsoft isn't defining the target market, Nergroponte is.
Did you go into the Mato Grosso, or just stick to the tourist dumps? Rio and Sao Paulo define only Rio and Sao Paulo, not Brazil, just as NYC and Boston do not define the US.
You'll find plenty of people in the States who only have a TV if they are content to watch prerecorded media, because there is nothing to recieve.
The Microsoft proposal is itself an impractical alternative to the laptop it presents itself as an alternative to, almost no matter what the laptop ends up actually costing.The issues are of a piece.
Setting aside for the moment the issue of the starving millions, in the typical, well regulated small village in the third world there is often simply one TV, for the whole village, even if they have a limited town electrical system.
This is one reason why there are no TVs where these computers need to be used (the other reason is that when you want to watch TV you just go to the saloon). You have not been paying attention to what Bill is suggesting this as alternative to; a fully selfcontained, cranked unit.
It's about how to use the investments people have already made (TV set, mobile phone)
In other words, not most of the people in the "target market," unless they all plan to share the one TV set within 20 miles at the saloon; and they have to buy a new phone.
Bill has never, ever lived in these places. I have. He's fucking clueless.
Assuming the used machine runs on batteries powered by solar cells, pedals, small windmill, crank, etc.
You people need to get out of the city more. It would save me lot of time pointing out that in much of the world there simply no place to plug in a computer; and much of that world is exactly where this idea is targeted.
Infrastructure is not ubiquitous.
KFG
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I've read excerpts. Do you really think there was a fucking chance I'd buy it? I can't even imagine wading through a free copy.
The Sears catalog is better written and makes better toilet paper.
I'm sorry if there's anyone here who actually bought and enjoyed this book ( I mean, I'm really, really, really sorry that anyone here actually bought and enjoyed this book), but isn't the thing just as much a tax on idiots as the lottery?
I sincerely hope you're preaching to the converted, Brother.
Just about every scrap of technology at the disposal of our engineers went into creating the Space Shuttle.
There is no doubt that there is a good deal of very good engineering embodied in the shuttle, but sophisticated subsystems do not imply a sophisticated system.
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. . .a mishmash of the two languages end up being fluent in neither
We call them The English.
KFG
Because their language set includes JPG, but does not include PNG or SVG.
KFG
To say that the committee in Congress didn't know is a lie.
Good thing I didn't say that then. This is even alluded to in the MSN article I link. Even if I had that in no way implies it's a lie, although calling it a lie might well be. And what was it, yesterday, the day before, when I posted that detecting lies is not at all the same thing as detecting truth?
The eavesdropping program was very closely held, with cryptic briefings for only a few congressional leaders. Once again, Addington and his allies made sure that possible dissenters were cut out of the loop.
Are you now going to argue that the FBI knew who Deep Throat was all along?
KFG
. . .the cat attacked the mouse until it was dead.
That must have been one badass mouse. Ya sure it wasn't a baby kangaroo.
KFG
Because, like, ya know, they're mammals.
KFG
Or a few tens of thousands of rural poor who still don't have all three of these things?
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That would be a few billions. About half of the world's population.
After all, that's the kind of Microsoft thinking that lost them the PC market, and the browser market, and the console market . .
Except for the PC market all denied by Microsoft as being important years after everyone else knew where the party was. They stand as a good example that one can be wrong, late to the party, and still end up being the life of it in time.
At this point in time they are floating an alternative to Negroponte's idea, as they must. Negroponte took the field first and gained postion. Microsoft must take to whatever hedgerows and odd little dips in the field they can find to accord them cover.
That doesn't mean that ten years from now they won't be dominating the cheap, cranked laptop market world wide and crowing about their great "innovation."
Ideas floated merely to provide opposition to someone else's ideas only rarely have anything to do with what is actually done down the line.
Negroponte has commited himself to a product. Microsoft has as yet committed themselves to nothing but talk.
That's the way the game is played. A term was invented to describe this game back in the day when IBM was the player.
The term is "FUD".
KFG
He knows if you've been bad or good.
KFG
I think you're confused about something.
It's entirely possible. Lord knows I have been before; and most often most recently.
It seems as if Microsoft has identified a demographic for which the cell phone plus TV set solution would be better in some way than Negroponte's $100 laptop solution.
But I do not believe I am confused about this.
Why would the lack of TV broadcasts and local TV broadcast infrastructure make this solution fail?
Because you buy a TV to watch it.
The user could always run applications directly from the phone, and store data there as well
They can already do this on the phones/pdas they already have without buying a new one from Microsoft. The whole point of the thing is be able to function as a laptop competitor with a full size screen and keyboard. No Negroponte and Microsoft wouldn't even be floating the idea around as it is.
Fair enough, except that I've pointed out that in Brazil alone there have to be a good couple hundred thousand poor people who have both power and TVs.
Microsoft does not and is not playing for small niche markets like that. When they entered the Office Suite market they intended to own it %100. When they entered the gaming console market they intended to own it 100%.
Negroponte has come along with an idea that threatens to shut them out of a huge market if they don't grab it first. The fight is over nations and continents, not mere cities.
What's more, Negroponte will be starting people off on their first computing track with Linux, not Windows. Trust me, Bill does not like that idea, not even in the Mato Grasso.
I did not say poor people do not have TVs. I am a poor person. I have a TV.
The majority of the poor people in the third world live where they do not have access to the infrastructure to make a TV useful. Like power. There's no grid. Cross a line on the way out of town, no more power. There are still a few places in the Appalachians like that.
The pub still functions as the community gathering spot where people come together to watch the TV in the area. Sometimes that pub is the only place in town with a refrigerator too. They don't put food in it. It's for beer. Soda is consumed warm.
KFG
The president was granted this power by congress and congress knew all along about it.
.Guess who?
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Nonsense. Congress knew nothing about it. The wiretaps were "authorized" by the Office of Legal Council, an arm of the Justice Department full of appointed judges, appointed by. .
Nor was there a lot of agreement within the OLC about the legality of the wiretaps:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11079547/site/newswee
These are the same people who said that just because we signed the Geneva Convention doesn't mean we're bound by it, but can still bitch about anyone else not obeying it, because it's the law.
I've not seen that anywhere.
Really?
http://www.rense.com/general69/legit.htm
Well, now you have.
KFG
And it's all the fault of all that P2P news trading.
We need rights management systems for watercoolers.
KFG
Tough shit for them.
We took the land that they had already taken.
Just hang on to that thought when the Chinese arrive.
If Mexico had retained it LA would look like TJ.
TJ only looks like TJ because LA looks like LA.
KFG
This *is* a country of immigrants.
Yeah, we "immigrated" the country right over most of Mexico.
KFG
It seems to me that Microsoft has its target market all figured out.
It's a perfectly valid market, one where there is a tight infrastructure and money to feed it. One where Microsoft might well make some headway. You'll find plenty of TVs in NYC and Boston as well, even among the poorest of the poor, but Microsoft isn't defining the target market, Nergroponte is.
Did you go into the Mato Grosso, or just stick to the tourist dumps? Rio and Sao Paulo define only Rio and Sao Paulo, not Brazil, just as NYC and Boston do not define the US.
You'll find plenty of people in the States who only have a TV if they are content to watch prerecorded media, because there is nothing to recieve.
KFG
Barooom-boomp!
That's a good one. You gave me a bit of a giggle. I like to giggle.
Thank you.
KFG
The Microsoft proposal is itself an impractical alternative to the laptop it presents itself as an alternative to, almost no matter what the laptop ends up actually costing.The issues are of a piece.
Setting aside for the moment the issue of the starving millions, in the typical, well regulated small village in the third world there is often simply one TV, for the whole village, even if they have a limited town electrical system.
KFG
This is one reason why there are no TVs where these computers need to be used (the other reason is that when you want to watch TV you just go to the saloon).
You have not been paying attention to what Bill is suggesting this as alternative to; a fully selfcontained, cranked unit.
KFG
Does this phone plug into a clockwork TV?
Bingo!
It's about how to use the investments people have already made (TV set, mobile phone)
In other words, not most of the people in the "target market," unless they all plan to share the one TV set within 20 miles at the saloon; and they have to buy a new phone.
Bill has never, ever lived in these places. I have. He's fucking clueless.
KFG
What in the world will the poor people do with all the cellphone and $100 computers.
Tetris.
KFG
. . . Or type text? Or even read text?
Uphill. Both ways. Sonny.
KFG
Assuming the used machine runs on batteries powered by solar cells, pedals, small windmill, crank, etc.
You people need to get out of the city more. It would save me lot of time pointing out that in much of the world there simply no place to plug in a computer; and much of that world is exactly where this idea is targeted.
Infrastructure is not ubiquitous.
KFG
I think that one was the Evil Step Mother.
KFG
Even simpler.
But a different book.
KFG
Stop buying his stupid book.
I've read excerpts. Do you really think there was a fucking chance I'd buy it? I can't even imagine wading through a free copy.
The Sears catalog is better written and makes better toilet paper.
I'm sorry if there's anyone here who actually bought and enjoyed this book ( I mean, I'm really, really, really sorry that anyone here actually bought and enjoyed this book), but isn't the thing just as much a tax on idiots as the lottery?
I sincerely hope you're preaching to the converted, Brother.
KFG
. . .an honest account of a serious addiction and how to get out of it.
Check into rehab.
Did I miss anything?
KFG
Just about every scrap of technology at the disposal of our engineers went into creating the Space Shuttle.
There is no doubt that there is a good deal of very good engineering embodied in the shuttle, but sophisticated subsystems do not imply a sophisticated system.
KFG