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Thirsty People Feel More Pain
Bifurcati writes "Being thirsty makes you more sensitive to pain, according to a recent study. By simultaneously doing brain scans, new areas of the brain were activated when both pain and thirst were present, apparently making the pain more "painful" - perhaps a survival method so that pain is prioritized over thirst. They'd like to do more research, but ethical issues make it tough - even these subjects had to spend three hours being poked and prodded!"
I am currently reading Your Body's Many Cries for Water and it has been very eye-opening about body chemistry, and covers the subject with medical and scientific rigour. I highly recommend it to people for whom conventional medicine is at best 'managing' and not reversing their health issues. Particularly compelling in that book is Dr Batmanghelidj's thorough scientific explanation on how 'diet' sodas actually substantially contribute to weight gain.
The immediately curious can access his library of scientific papers (in PDF format).
you had me at #!
If not drinking water amplifies pain, wouldn't the same be true from a not-so-distant-cousin, pleasure?
I used to work with a fellow named Mike. He suffered from severe carpal tunnel syndrome, perhaps caused by the decades of typing he had done while programming. He would always drink massive amounts of water and juice while working, saying that it helped his wrists. We'd make fun of him because he had to piss every half hour, but perhaps he was on to something.
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Why would it be unethical if the test subjects were made fully aware of what was to be done to them, and were willing to undergo the experiment? Unless somebody was deceived or coerced I don't see how ethics would even come into it.
...all true!
Whenever I've been without a beer for a while, the pain just kicks in man. Oh the terrible pain!
People who are suffering from discomfort find that AND pain even more painful than just pain by itself. Who would have thought?
That's why foreplay is so important so that one can sustain prolonged poking.
Dry == Painful.
I'll probably be modded off topic since no one here would understand what I'm saying.
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As a former lightweight rower I can vouch for this. Rowing a balls out 2K is hard. Doing it the day after sweating off 10 pounds is just sadistic.
Their conclusion: Be hydrated.
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I am one of the least sensitive-to-pain people you'll ever meet. I used to always feel pain, because I was afraid of feeling pain. But I learned years ago how to ignore that fear -- avoid fearing entirely. Since then, my tolerance for pain is huge. I've broken bones, lost teeth (punch to the face in a bar) and had my share of other situations (cat bites, skateboard accidents, car accident, etc) and my tolerance to pain is impressive. I've even done major dental work without pain killers and passed kidney stones the same way.
I don't drink a lot of fluids. I should (considering the kidney stones), but I don't. I love water, just don't drink a lot of it. I love tea, too, but forget to drink it.
I think feeling pain is often a mind over matter kind of thing. I had a carpenter friend who cut two of his fingers off and didn't feel pain until he noticed it. I had a friend who broke a foot snowboarding and didn't feel pain until he looked at it.
Have there been studies on pain and mind-over-matter situations?
They'd like to do more research, but ethical issues make it tough - even these subjects had to spend three hours being poked and prodded!
I don't know... sounds like something quite a few people would pay good money for.
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Fromt the article:
Survival instinct
He says pain is accentuated because it is more important to survival than mild thirst.
"The sensation with the most immediate implications for survival is pushed to the forefront of attention," he said.
Dr Farrell says the findings suggest it could be wise for people who are about to go through a painful experience should drink more water beforehand.
He says evidence from different types of studies also support this relationship between drinking water and pain.
But could people deliberately use dehydration to maximise pain, say via torture?
"We suspect if they got dehydrated enough that the overwhelming sense of thirst would probably make pain less rather than more," he said.
Previous studies in rats have shown that mild thirst makes the animals feel more pain but severe dehydration actually dulls pain, he says.
He says this too makes sense from the point of view of survival.
"If you were very dehydrated it would pay to suppress pain because it might get in the way of your search for water," he said.
Wouldn't that imply that the more hydrated you are, the more salient the pain should be, because then thirst is particularly irrelevant to your current needs? They say that "mild thirst" is not as pressing a survival need as experienced pain--well then, wouldn't NO thirst be even less pressing than the pain? I don't get it. They predict the situation switches for severe dehydration which makes sense (the thirst is more salient than the pain) but they don't explain why the pain should be more salient for mild thirst as compared to slaked thirst.
I would guess the logic in the actual PNAS paper is better. Perhaps it's the reporting here that's got something screwy.
MY mom has chest hair. Oh yea and to keep on topic she drinks water too:P
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What I mean is this:
There was an experiment where they stuck a cat and mouse in a cage. The cat ignored the mouse. Absolutely showed no interest in it. But pain was then inflicted on the cat and the cat attacked the mouse until it was dead.
Did the researchers test to see if it's not only pain that the subject feels? Maybe the subject will feel more agitated, stressed, angered, emotional, or a combination?
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Wow. An informative first post that pretty much sums the entire thread up. Maybe you should write the articles.
Erh, yeah... It seems the comment was in jest, but you'd be surprised.
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we just learned this today in anatomy and physiology. It didn't seem like ground-breaking science, just common sense. If you're thirsty, neurons in the pre-optic nucleus are shrinking (crenating) because your plasma fluid compartment is drying up. This creates a hypertonic (or hyperosmotic) environment that literally sucks the water out of your cells. Since your plasma is more concentrated (or has a higher osmolarity), the resting membrane potential goes up because the crenation of your nervous cells causes chemically-operated protein channels to open when they otherwise wouldn't be. This happens all over your body, not just in the pre-optic nucleus (also called the supra-optic nucleus). The crenation at that location (right near where the optic nerves cross eachother) causes those particular cells to pump more Anti-Diuretic Hormone through the pituitary gland, causing your urine volume to decrease (by causing the nephron tubules in your kidneys to reabsorb more water instead of making urine with it), but the same thing happens to cells all over your body when your plasma becomes too concentrated (too dry). In lab today, I had to drink 80ml of water with 7g of NaCl in it, and my feet would fall asleep whenever I stood on them for more than a few minutes. Oh, and I was thirsty and sensitive to pain. Hooray for science!
"He is arguing for a new scientific approach that turns clinical medicine on its head."
Daily Mail, London, UK
That sounds credible.
hair was given (by nature or $DEITY, either way) for warmth, to survive harsh winters.
Could someone please explain to me why there are always ethical restrictions in potentially important human experimentation if the subjects are well informed and willing? In my psychology course I became aware that there are many psychological experiments done it years past that simply cannot be carried out these days because of such ethical restrictions.
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Is this reasearch to help medical patients with pain management by adding the knowlege that keeping hydrated is an important component of that?
Or is it to conduct illegal and ineffectual "intellegence gathering" on illegally held "enemy combatents"?
Not meant as a flame. I'm very curious in who is conducting this research and why-- because this knowlege is definitely a two-edged sword, depending on how it's used. (Well, that's true of ANY knowlege. In this case, the contrast is just sharper...)
Remind me to take a six-pack the next time I visit the dentist.
When I feel pain usually I haven't meet my MDR for beer that day.
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Does he introduce himself by saying, "I'm Batman!...ghelidj" ?
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What few people realize is that Dr. Batmanghelidj is really Bruce Wayneghelidj's alter ego. Everybody knows that the Wayneghelidj Water has a stranglehold on the world's water distribution networks, so who really benefits if everyone drinks more water? ;)
It seems to me Linux officially announcing that they will now have their own distribution of linux and make their own operating system should hold more ground right...?
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I think this is an interesting study. When I nurse, I work hospice. When people are close to death they often tell us to allow them to become dehydrated because it decreases pain sensations. I am curious how this information fits into that.
Of course, we get orders to pump enough morphine into them that the whole thing might be considered mute.
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Thirst is a fairly interesting thing to study. Working with kidney failure patients, it's a difficult thing for them to manage. Urges like sex, hunger, etc can be dismissed in one's mind with a little work. But thirst is impossible to get away from. The only way to get rid of the urge is to drink. For renal patients, it's doubly hard as drinking then leads to a series of other problems for them.
Combine that with being stuck with two big 15g needle three times a week, and you see a lot of pain. It's interesting that the two can be linked. I have seen how one day a person may only slightly flinch, another day and they are writhing much worse.
These results are rubbish. The test is first being done on a hydrated patient and he feels pain, later he is mildly dehydrated and the same pain is inflicted on the same area as before and obviously it hurts more than before. ie Chinese water torture etc. Hey doc, it hurts when i push on it...."Yeah, well stop pushing on it!"
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So men were given chest hair so that small children wouldn't harm themselves playing on their chests?
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Main stream medicine also is looking into this. No need to start following halfbaked weirdos with a few good ideas.
While it's interesting when somebody smart posits a contrarian view or two, the people who seem to think that essentially everything about prevailing theory is wrong are usually... well... nuts. I couldn't help but notice that very few of his papers had anything in them that indicated that they were actually published by a journal other than his own. Coincidence?
An interesting anagram of "BANACH TARSKI" is "BANACH TARSKI BANACH TARSKI"
Could you expound (summarize) on that, please?
I quit diet soda myself a while back on a diet, but since I was eating less, I can't say whether it made much difference. A friend of mine quit Diet Coke a while back without changes in eating habits and did lose 20 pounds.
I didn't know why, but I attributed it because Diet Coke contains quite a bit of caffeine, and caffiene is hypothesized to screw with the body's insulin. There were also studies that suggested the sweet taste from the artificial sweetener caused the body to pump up the insulin in anticipation.
So that's why my cross-country coach always told us to drink plenty of water...
I will get first post in 30 minutes, when everyone that ran off to drink water
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Yes. They are the rule in Japan, rather than the exception. No clue why, not being Japanese and apparently not curious enough to find this shit out.
Although the moon is smaller than the earth, it is farther away.
Because, like, ya know, they're mammals.
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Exactly!
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Not all males have chest hair.
I've got a Mediterannean background, and I've got just the right genes to grow it like a monkey. I grow thick facial hair, thick body hair, and apparently have no baldness action.
My brother, on the other hand, grows sparce body hair, can't grow a goatee, and is balding at a disturbing rate.
And aside.. I'm thinking James Bond, "You Only Think Twice": "Japanese have beautiful bald skin."
He identified that dehydration elevates histamine levels. Higher levels contribute directly to pain. Quite clever really...
He may have said some wacky things... as do most docs that figure out one aspect of physiology and assume they have the whole figured out. In this regard, he is typical
I can't remember the specifics, but I believe it has to do with your body wanting more 'sweets' after drinking diet soda.
there's a lot of experts on what combination of dehydration, sleep deprivation and beating causes more pain in many countries. Too bad they don't publish very much.
The medical community still uses data gathered from the Nazi's 'experiments' in the concentration camps during WW2. Despite the experiments and their manner being morally repugnant, the view taken was that facts are facts and here are some well-researched facts that are still valid - just try not to think how they were gathered.
Auschwitz...
Quid festinatio swallonis est aetherfuga inonusti?
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I have also been trained as a Wilderness First Responder and can tell you that at least "extremely thirsty" people have such an incredibly deranged world view that definitions of "pain" get thrown right out the window.
Does this mean I should hold my next S&M party out in the desert?
Does this mean sex is better when you are thirsty?
They induced thirst with a saline solution, presumably a hypertonic solution. A raise in extracellular sodium would have increased the current of excitable tissues like nerves that transmit pain.
http://www.snopes.com/medical/myths/8glasses.asp
Drinking more water, "cures many diseases like arthritis, angina, migraines, hypertension and asthma." Sure thing, Doc. Speaking of water, have I got a bridge to sell you...
English is easier said than done.
does it work the same way with pleasure?
(yes i know i suck at spelling fell free to correct my grammar and/or spellin i dont care, im still not going to change
Having been at both bleeding edges of medical research as both subject and investigator, it depends very much on the respective ethics panels (my background is nuclear medicine).
There have been a number of studies that I've had performed on me including, but not limited to:
Induction of blisters by heat and or vacuum, then having the resultant fluid drained every 2 hours for 24 hours
Electric shocks to the earlobe to measure pain response 3 times per week for 2 hours over a 3 month period
Drinking 100mL of neat EtOH and swallowing a radio transmitter with a 5 metre antenna whilst having 50mL of blood pulled every 2 hours for 24 hours, with the final indignation of having the radio transmitter being pulled out via the antenna by the same route
These were not fun, but laying around in a PET whilst being infused with 18-F deoxyglucose and having the aforementioned poking and prodding performed sounds like a walk in the park, but then again, the people performing these things are a pretty effete bunch coming as they do from Australia's wanna be city of Melbourne, very strange bunch of people down there.
But I digress, if you really, really want to perform these experiments, as long as there is no long term sequale and I can't see any reason for not doing them (yeah, I'd be happy to put my hand up, believe me, I'm no hero, nor am I a masochist).
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If willing and unwilling were so easily judged, rape trials would be a lot shorter.
A person may be 'willing' but still coerced. The more dangerous something is, the more inducement you'd need... which naturally leads you to target people who are at a disadvantage. And then skip the inducement altogether. It's a really steep slope. Add the fact that it's an experiment which means you don't know what-all is going to happen, and it adds up to too much risk for risk-averse institutions. In a word, lawyers.
Will somebody please mod the parent comment down? I don't think I have to do much more than quote from one of the "Doctor's" papers:
From "AIDS: More Convincingly A Metabolic Disorder:"
Although the total attention of AIDS research is directed toward its predicted viral etiology, the intestinal stress and tissue cortisone release factor inducd physiology of the body, over a long period of time, and dependent on the mode and frequency of homosexual practice, can possibly be the precipitating cause of this condition. It is proposed that in homosexuals, AIDS is an intestinal stress induced metabolic disorder and, opiod peptides being markers of stress to the regulatory systems of the body, excessive use of opiates can possibly cause an indirect promotion of stress physiology that can bring about the associated immune system inhibition and disturbance"
Translated: Gay people get AIDS because they have too much anal sex.
This "doctor" is entirely incredible, possibly homophobic, and a quack in the most negative sense of the word. No creedence whatsoever should be given to anything that he's written.
>. I failed this test. I read it.
Why was this trolled?
Actually that raises an interesting problem. There are people who are very averse to pain. How many of these people are going to sign up for this study? Few if any. What you're doing is selecting for a group of people who for whatever reason don't mind pain. Odds are they're going to give selective test results as well.
AIDS develops in people infected with the HIV virus and not elsewhere, it happens in 100% of cases, given a long enough time, and it happens in all regious of the world, to peopel of all different lifestyles. Thus it's orety well proven that indeed the HIV virus is the cause of AIDS.
Now of course it's always possible that this is wrong, but you'd need some pretty major proof to make that case. My guess is you are right, the guy is a crackpot. Doesn't mean that he doesn't perhaps have a good idea or two, but I'd be wary of what he says in general.
I used to skateboard around with a 1 litre bottle of water during the day, not just to re-hydrate during the hot days but because it seemed to dull the odd knocks and scrapes.
Mind you, skateboarding drunk removes quite a lot more pain, but also increases the number of painful events.
I remember one surreal moment when I took the "axe" along with me to Bournemouth while attending a re-enactment of a battle for the english civil war society. We got dressed up in our cavalier kit, did a day of rehearsals, went to the local pub, got smashed and rode through Poole at 2am. It was like I was flying.
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without the need for technomumbojumbo, sometimes.
Consider having the flu, feeling miserable, not wanting to piss to save your life, not wanting to eat, and not wanting to get in the shower to perk up the spirits.
Well, tho I've been told that showering while having the flu could kill me, I don't give a damn. I just CAN'T be in bed filthy, salty and sticky from sweating my ass off from the flu. I drink water like mad, eat Vietnamese chicken noodle/veggie soup if I can (and not campbells-- that shit makes me even sicker just tasting and not even swallowing it...even in the 60s when I was sick I'd throw up the campbells soup my mome forcefed to me..). And, I make the pissing continue, take zinc, Vitamin C and try not to feel too down. When I do it right, I am over the flu symptoms (the worst of them, at least) in under 3 days WITHOUT TAKING MEDS.
I once had a massive headache, probably like a migraine. I've never to my knowledge had migraines, but about 3 times about 6 months apart I had mind-busting headaches. I though my skull would explode ANY minute. It probably was due to not drinking enough water, eating too much junk food, and having bad enough luck to catch some strain of flu that didn't give flu symptoms. I just wanted to DIE. I couldn't even use the bathroom-- I had no indications or "sensations" to go. I thought I would die. But, I didn't go to the hospital. I suffered thru it and drank water, juices and kept warm and peed out what I could.
Now, think of those shipwrecked people who are about to be rescued. Often they could have been marooned at sea for day. It doesn't HAVE to be hot weather to dehydrate a person. Being in cold water for a few days (especially sea water which generally is (salty and therefore) unfit for human consumption unless crudely but sufficiently filtered).
By the time the rescuers arrive, these poor souls have been struggling to stay afloat, burning up energy, starving, and borderline or fully hallucinogenic to the point that sometimes the Coast Guard rescuers end up being drowned by delirious, flailing, and dangerous victims. Sometimes, the rescuers, recalling prior shipmates or rescuers who drowned, end up having to let the flailing victims succumb to the sea.
Now, for all the coders who sit in a chair all day and munch on candy, chips, pizza, and drink sugar-loaded or "beverages" that have more to do with junk than actual water (coffee, diet drinks, regular soda drinks, power drinks and so on...), be careful. It is necessary to keep that sugar intake low, or at least get plenty of water, walking, exercise, and so on to keep things in balance.
Just recall years ago when the Los Angeles plan to remove soda machines from school campuses sent the soda and sugar drinks industry into piss-hot, venomous backlash. All kinds of anecdotal and measured evidence was there against the selling of soda to kids:
--The kids drank way too many (more than 3 or 4 drinks a day (I alone drank 3 or 4 Dr. Peppers in the 8th grade, in 1979 FOR BREAKFAST and had 2 or 3 accompanying 3 Musketeers...)
--The kids' vision was progressively worsening (in some cases)
--The kids were in some cases hyperactive, inattentive, unhealthy, tired, and exhibited other things
--Kids were spending more money on JUNK FOOD and soda pop and skipping out on (debateably tasty) lunches....
In the end, rather than lose the money and machine locations, the pop sellers put in more water and fruit drinks and such.
But, cutting out natural water for sugar water in the absence of exercise and a balanced diet surely can lead to brain disorders...
(OK, that last sentence definitely is leaving me wide open to attack...hmmm, took about 16 minutues... ummm, minutes to type this out...)
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Sounds like conspiracy theory type thinking: "I know this thing that all the rest of the people are wrong about."
It has to be true, because you have a lot of your self-worth invested in the fact that you're smarter/more informed/more open-minded than everyone else. You're on the inside, and all the rest of us have you to thank for telling us this amazing new counter-intuitive "fact" that contradicts the conventional wisdom. Hence the bold in your comment, I guess.
Careful of falling into that trap.
I'm pretty sure food causes weight gain. Diet sodas might lead people to eat more food, but it's the food that matters.
There's an ocean of difference between being thought nuts and being nuts. Challenging conventional thinking practically guarantees the former, in our age of deadly conformity. However, I find no evidence for anything other than solid scientific research in his book. Dr. Batmanghelidj is certainly not alone in questioning orthodox theories about AIDS.
I couldn't help but notice that very few of his papers had anything in them that indicated that they were actually published by a journal other than his own.
The fact that his Foundation chooses to make additional research available under their own banner, in addition to the several papers in independent journals, does not prove it is all hokum. It is not as if peer reviewed journals have a clean slate, given the continual trickle of hoax results (recently Korean Hwang Woo-Suk, Bell Labs' Henrik Schon) so I am not sure that your point is as strong as you may think.
Dr Batmanghelidj was certainly well aware of the disinterest of industry in his findings; imagine if the popular conception that chemicals should be the universal first resort were rejected in favour of treating chronic dehydration as a first step! That his views are commercially unpalatable (like those of AIDS iconoclasts) is hardly commentary on the quality of his research.
I stop to defend the man because I am tired of the same perennial kneejerk "if this guy has the answer why haven't we seen it on CNN?" reactions to any idea that slightly tweaks our age's mental enslavement. Let's ask the two questions: Does he have any kind of medical answer (hundreds of his patients are convinced he does)? And if so, we can move on to the next important question: Why are independent thinkers so carefully hidden from view and meticulously discredited in the public media?
Let people assess it for themselves, try his therapies, and perhaps add to the rather impressive roster of testimonials he offers in his book!
you had me at #!
Dr. B.: "I hold the idea that the AIDS is not a viral disease, but is a metabolic disorder precipitated by an exaggerated way of life."
Me: "I have a needle with HIV in blood sera. So you would not mind if I..."
Dr. B: "Uh, wait..."
>> Jab.
Me: "Oops."
Dr. B: "Croak."
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Yeah, why shouldn't they? Not using the data isn't going to change the fact that the experiments happened. In fact, if they didn't use said data, the concentration camp victims would have been tortured in vain.
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The question is, which contributes more to weight gain? Diet sodas, or regular (sugared) sodas? There's no question in my mind which does worse in the end.
Does this mean some of the effect of painkillers is due to drinking water?
You, dada21? I cannot conceive of any reason anyone would ever want to punch you in the face. The thought of it! I'm incredulous.
Or maybe I just spend too much time in the "anarchocapitalist-only" watering holes :-)
Somehow this reminds me of the "international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids," in spite of which "we will prevail, in peace and freedom from fear, and in true health, through the purity and essence of our natural fluids."
Good grief.
if we decide to pull the plug on someone who's still living and partially cognative
That's right, don't let those pesky facts get in the way of your Christofascist propoganda.
The following is no substitute for reading the text or classroom study of the text (emphasis and links mine):
you had me at #!
Sociopath?
Disassociation of pain signals with the feeling of being "hurt" is a response to intense pain, and apparently it can also be learned through training. It is not the same as people who literally feel no pain.
Back 10-15 years ago I had cluster headaches that came about every 3 months. Cluster headaches have been described as "probably the worst pain that humans experience". The only way I could cope was to mentally disassociate the pain with the feeling of hurt. Basically I would mentally take myself to another place and watch myself feel pain as an outside observer, but not actually experience it in the first person.
The thought process was probably something like:
"Oh look, my body is telling me that I am in intense pain. How interesting."
I'm not as good at it anymore since I haven't gotten headaches in over a decade, but my threshold for pain is still much higher than average. I'd like to think that doesn't make me a sociopath.
RTFA, this was a study on people who still have their brain.
This could be another good reason to follow the advice of being well-hydrated before/during serious exercise.
Quick! Someone tell Jack Bauer!
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According to wikipedia, the Allies failed to charge Japanese scientists and officials with war crimes for doing horrible, biological warfare experiments on live Chinese citizens in exchange for the data collected. Does that make it Ok?
It is true, which is why I always keep my partner properly hydrated.
so that's why I didn't feel a thing when I fell of the balcony at that kegger...
oh, wait...
There is simply too much glass..
Is another major world war so we can resolve a bunch of these pressing scientific questions, as yet unanserable due to ethics.
Actually, there are a small number of people, close to 10% that are considered long-term non-progressors that will probably not develop AIDS from HIV before of dying of something else.
by the late Fereydoon Batmanghelidj M.D.
Does he introduce himself by saying, "I'm Batman!...ghelidj" ?
I don't think he'll be introducing himself to anyone anytime soon....
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Does he introduce himself by saying, "I'm Batman!...ghelidj" ?
Generally he enters a room like this.
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...and that extreme thirst had the opposite effect, that is, the effect that you are describing now.
Consuming a large volume of alcohol is proven to relieve pain, which makes it an ideal distributable product for routy college football and spanish soccer fans, especially those whose adrenaline causes them to beat eachothers heads into a bloody pulp.
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yay for all the bdsm people, less drinking means more pain!
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Conan: Only pain.
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As if that coyote didn't have it bad enough. "meep meep!" WHAM!!! "Agh....I'm so....thirsty."
Anyone who's had a hangover can validate this.
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The study says that pain is amplified whilst dehydrated, not that pain was caused, dumbarse.
'diet' sodas actually substantially contribute to weight gain.
I've heard this one before. You know that defys the laws of physics right? A diet soda is: carbonated water, citric and/or phosphoric acid, flavor and a non-sugar related sweetener. There is nothing there that your body can convert to and store as body fat (or muscle for that matter, though I doubt anyone would complain if that was the case) so unless they are adding chemicals that turn your body photosynthetic and allow you to turn all that CO2 and water into glucose I don't see how this is even remotely possible.
The place I've seen this claimed said that the study involved looking at the type of people who drink these drinks and found that alot of them were fat. Duh, the people most likely to drink a diet drink are probably doing so in an attempt to lose weight, not the other way around (the same source also claims that smoking ain't all that bad, and while I agree that occasional smoking isn't that bad, it goes on the claim that it improves your health which kind of throws their credability out the window).
It's like saying that treadmills cause you to get out of shape because alot of people using them aren't in shape. Diet sodas do cause temporary weight gain, but it tends to disappear after a visit to the bathroom. (note: if you can tell me what his thorough scientific explanation is I'd like to hear it. I looked at the list of "scientific" papers but didn't find anything related to this topic.)
To be shpongled is to be kippered, mashed, smashed, destroyed, COMPLETELY GESCHTONKENFLAPPED.
There's no question in my mind which does worse in the end.
That'd still be anal sex though, wouldn't it?
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"All my foes are spelling or grammar Nazis."
That's because you can't fucking spell and your grammar fucking sucks. Seriously, can't you spend 15 seconds proofreading your post before clicking the "Submit" button? Even if you are incapable of detecting poorly constructed and grammatically ambiguous sentences (like your first one), you should at least be able to notice things like "peopel" and "orety". Posts like yours are physically painful to read by overly-sensitive anal-retentive types like me. In fact, reading your post caused the stick up my ass to become dislodged, requiring me to get up off my chair, go upstairs to the bathroom (as there are no bathrooms in my Mom's basement), and replace the stick with the handle to the toilet plunger. I am not used to engaging in such strenuous physical activity (except when I take my bi-monthly shower), and it's ALL YOUR FAULT.
And that's why all of your foes are spelling or gammar Nazis.
I didn't believe this would get a 5. Loll.
Terrorists can attack freedom, but only Congress can destroy it.
Depends on what they mean by "cure". I guess when he says "cure asthma" he means "it's good to drink more water when you have asthma" (which is true). But that wouldn't sell books as any doctor will give you that advise without the "magical properties" part. I helps, but only a little and that has medical basis: more liquid in the body helps unclog the alveoles in the lungs. And I mean helps. I doesn't save the day.
"You superiour intellect is no match for our puny weapons" - The Simpsons
I'm thinking James Bond, "You Only Think Twice"
Sadly, your second and final thought will be "Whoops, that should be 'Live Twice'".
Don't let it stop you posting here though, you'll fit right in.
"I've got more toys than Teruhisa Kitahara."
Just perform the research on yourself. One person is not a large enough sample size, of course, but just find more "researchers" willing to help.
dumbarse you're the only troll!
according to a recent study...
Great, it must be true! No need to look any further!
The people who were saying that (like the husband's lawyer) were saying it about anyone.
I hold the idea that the AIDS is not a viral disease, but is a metabolic disorder precipitated by an exaggerated way of life.
Thus it's orety well proven that indeed the HIV virus is the cause of AIDS.
I don't think these statements contradict each other, because AIDS isn't a virus, HIV is?
I can't say I've heard that, but I can say from personal experience that showering with the flu is the only time I've ever fainted; only for a few seconds, but the minute or so before that when my vision blacked out was scary as hell.
On the other hand, I've only caught the flu once in 13 years since (compared to once every year or two until then). Cause and effect? Who knows . . .
Drink more water ?
And that's why all of your foes are spelling or gammar Nazis.
Heh.
Poking people in the name of science is subject to all kinds of ethical considerations. Entertainment on the other hand, is exempt from such dreary considerations. So why not do the poking and pretend it's in the name of entertainment? I'll bet an experiment can be designed in such a way that it both results in useful data that couldn't be collected otherwise, all the while making millions as a "reality" show or somesuch!
my feet hurt, -drink water
I broke a finger, -drink water
I feel I'm gonna pass out, -drink water
water didnt help, -well suck it up
The best test environment is production. - Me
chrome://browser/content/browser.xul
Another tool for Jack Bauer to use on 24!
I guess this makes Hell a lot worse.
This just in . . . Water deliveries to Abu Ghraib prison have been reduced in recent days. Un-atributed sources explain, "Its . . . uh . . . a motivation exercise!"
It's all history, man. -anon
so who really benefits if everyone drinks more water?
Come on, don't keep us in the dark! Tell us!
Defining Statistics and Social Research
I used to work at the Intense Pulsed Neutron Source at Argonne National Lab (IPNS) for a couple of years. While I was there ('96-98) one of the studies a post-doc did on the QENS instrument (iirc) was to study how anesthetics work. As it turns out, anesthetics enter between the walls of cells such that they recede so far from each other that the nerve senders/receptors can't make contact thus, the pain signals aren't transmitted to the brain.
Here's a little mind experiment: imagine having 2 balloons, one inside the other. Now, blow air into the outer balloon, leaving the inner balloon the same size. The air you push into the volume between the 2 balloons is the anesthetic. The more anesthetic, the farther apart the balloon walls get from each other and the nerves lose contact with each other.
So, it would follow that if you were to generally increase the amount of fluid in your body, the same thing would happen: the water would enter between the inner and outer cell walls such that the nerves would make less contact than normal.
Good ole Di-Hydrogen Monoxide!
Don't ask why Nature gave human males chest hair.
Ask why Evolution hasn't taken it from them...
Fight Frist Psoting!
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It's a shame that their foreign interrogators don't submit to peer review, however. I'm speaking in terms of publication, of course. Why, what were you thinking of?
I concur. The more I drink, the less pain I feel! This is news?
The doctor punches him
Man: "Ouch!! Hey, whatdya do *that* for?!?!
Doctor: "Not feeling hungry anymore, are ya?"
-Eric
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
I lost weight when I switched to diet sodas. In March of 2002 I completely stopped regular sodas and switched to diet versions... over the next 9 months I lost 40 pounds.
I know once i've had a few drinks I usually feel no pain.... Hic!
Actually the neat thing about the placebo effect is how effective it is regardless of whether the person knows it or not. As well it can be a very large effect - as high as 30% in some studies (depending on how much hand-waving is done). This is why modern medicine has such a difficult time producing good statistical results, you have to be able to show a significant difference between new fancy drug and good old sugar pill which still help 30% of people.
Here's a sugar pill, it has no medicinal value whatsoever, but it helps 30% of people! Try it!
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damn that was funny
What they haven't yet told you is that "ghelidj" is Arabic for "I'm Not." This is actually Ra's Al Ghul.
StoneCypher is Full of BS
I've heard this one before. You know that defys the laws of physics right? A diet soda is: carbonated water, citric and/or phosphoric acid, flavor and a non-sugar related sweetener. There is nothing there that your body can convert to and store as body fat (or muscle for that matter, though I doubt anyone would complain if that was the case) so unless they are adding chemicals that turn your body photosynthetic and allow you to turn all that CO2 and water into glucose I don't see how this is even remotely possible.
The argument I've heard/read (can't remember) is that diet sodas trigger cravings for other foods. Kind of subjective. It's basically one step from people willfully eating fattier foods to compensate for all the dieting they're doing since they've switched to diet.
No propaganda at all. If she was so "out of it", then why was she responsive to voices and able to move her fingers a bit? Point being, she DID feel pain as she wasn't in 100% PVS, as per the doctor's diagnosis.
I love how the left says "don't let the facts get in the way" (which is generally irrellevant to the topic at hand, this topic included) and calls everyone who questions them "facists" of one sort or another. If you want name calling, go to the Huffington post. You'll fit right in with that crowd.
"Thirsty People Feel More Pain"
Heh, that sounds like something Norm would say to get a free beer from Woody.
(Yeh, Spoonerisms...)
Well, as a show of the state of my mind, I can't help but say this:
Don't catch any brain illnesses: you don't want to be achurch of the poisoned mind... (for some reason I was thinking of Culture Club when I saw your response....)
(A few more spoonerisms to try out:
A Tale of Two Cities
More Tales of the Cities
Rules and Guides
Take the Shot
Five Hissing Moores
A Sandwich with Turkey Meat
Take a/Your Shower (and if you're male and endowed... you can...)
)
HAVE FUN!!!!!!!!!!
Previously: "Linux... Toward the Sunrise..." Now: "Linux... Toward the-- No, now, part of Every Sunrise"
But didn't Al Ghul invent the Internet?
LMAO! This is the funniest damn thing I've read all week.
Moderator hint: a comment is neither "Flamebait" nor "Troll" if it is true.
I have bad wrist pain, and my experience confirms what he says. every time I get a drink of water, or pass water, my wrists feel better.
I suspect it has something to do with the salt balance in the body, because eating salty foods hurts my wrists. (also, drinking and passing water will deplete your body of salt.)
Come on! Don't ruin diet soda on me too!
Myself, no. But I hear that's a pretty popular thing in some circles, :-).