Yes, it also irritated the hell out of me, although perhaps for different reasons. I don't at all think he was blaming the woes of the world on men, he was, rather, exploring that issue through the eyes of charecters who believed that in order to point out the flaws in the belief, as well as the flaws in the belief of pastoralism and the isolationism needed to maintain the state in a technological enviroment.
It was argument via mild reductio ad absurdum with the Federation representive as narative guide to make sure you "got it."
Nonetheless, while it was a grand experiment in speculative philosophy, it was a deeply flawed experiment, both logically and philosophically.
But it was Brin, who is both a tolerable writer and thinker, even when he isn't at his best at either and I do necessarily avoid annoyingly flawed books because they do make me think about things.
It wasn't flawed enough to make me throw it across the room half way through, it was just flawed enough to make me think "No, no, that's not right because. ..
I'm not inclined to reread it, there are better works I haven't read yet and life is short, but I'm not sorry I spent the time reading it in the first place, unlike Stephen Donaldson's Thomas Covenant books.
I haven't a clue what people see in those at all, let alone why they have such a rabid cult following, and want that portion of my life back.
. ..and they do not cause craters visible from space.
Oh yeah, there is no confirmation that there is a "crater." That claim is from an unconfirmed source, and forest fires create "craters". ..in the forest.
Ya know, big black hole in the trees visible from space?
No, no it couldn't. Forest fires do not create mushroom clouds. ..
Of course they do. Any suffcient localized heat source can create a mushroom cloud. Pure solar energy creates mushroom clouds. Have you ever seen a meteorlogical cell, otherwise know as a thunderstorm?
Beautiful mushroom clouds 40,000 feet tall and miles across at the top.
You can create a mushroom cloud in a tank with a candle. It's just atmospheric convection, hot air rising and then falling off as it cools.
Let us say I'm willing to accept your scenario for the sake of argument ( because I'm willing to accept any scenario for the sake of argument), I'd still think that Japan, South Korea, China and Russia might feel obliged to have some say in the matter.
Remember that it was Finland that broke the Chernobyl story. America is not the world, and our politics do not control all.
Why, there are even people who ignore them completely.
. ..there were no nuclear weapons until the END of ww2...so i think the duck and cover vids were from Teh Cold War. ..
Yes. Original poster was not paying attention in a lot of classes, nor thinking very hard about the material either, but I decided not to be quite so blunt about it as your post. As originally formated my post included your observation, but I deleted it before submiting, not wanting to give the impression that it was my intention to insult.
Shake a few brain cells maybe, which can be unpleasant enough, but not insult.
I'm starting to dread the phrase "I took a class" more and more each year.
I disagree. A confirmable nuclear test in North Korea is what George has been secretly praying for; since he warned us of it. His entire administration rests on the premise that he is God's chosen bulwark to protect us from the forces of Biblical style evil with which he has formally implicated North Korea.
It would be used as a rallying flag for the faithful and a tool to strike fear into the hearts of "Middle America" almost instantly.
Also, do not fall into the trap of believing that the press is quite that pliable. You can get the press to print your lies, but you can't get them to quote your lies accurately or reasonably persuade them to shut the hell up in any sort of uniform manner.
Also, do not fall into the trap of believing that the American press is the only press in the world. There is also lack of official confirmation from China, England, France, Russia, Germany, Japan or even South Korea.
The fact that the story comes solely from a South Korean paper quoting an anonymous Chinese source is also interesting.
If I were to view this story cynically I would take the opposite point of view to yourself. I would be inclined to believe it is a story manufactured by the Bush administration for the purposes of buttressing themselves just before the election, or manufactured by the South Koreans as a ploy to spur American aid and native patriotic fervor.
Well, ok. As it happens I am pretty cynical. I don't entirely discount the latter possibility at all, or rather that a real explosion did occur, so the story is not actually manufactured, but is being "spun" for political purposes by the South Koreans.
Time might tell, but as these things go a lot of time has already passed.
Reminds me of those WWII era Civil Defense movies I saw once in a history class...
Yeah, I saw that one in school too. Then we all went into the cloak room, got our coats, then marched into the school basement to practice ducking and protecting ourselves by holding our coats over our heads.
You weren't paying enough attention in class though, it wasn't a WWII era movie. It was. ..are you ready for it?
No particular reason why they shouldn't. My reference to women was sardonic, prompted by the story blurb.
I don't see how this is "cooking for engineers", though.
Well that's perfectly understandable, since it isn't. Engineers are people who take problems and create solution sets for them. Stir fried random is cooking for engineers. Dumpster Diving for Chop Suey is cooking for engineers. What I Found in my Lawn Salad is cooking for engineers. In short, recipe creation is cooking for engineers.
I almost wrote a long post about this using Lego as an example. A recipe follower who wants to build a Lego space ship goes out and buys a Lego Space Ship kit and follows the directions. An engineer inventories his block collection and devises a way to build a space ship from them.
Now we have all the technology we can imagine (well almost) so we have to dream about something else.
Ironic that it's pastoralism that we dream of now, isn't it? David Brin deals with this as something of a side issue in his Glory Season, making the story metascience fiction. I suppose somebody had to take that step and better Brin than most.
Not that there's anything unique to the present about dreaming of pastoralism. Many of the great writers of the Industrial Revolution did that. What's different is that now it's the technologists themselves dreaming that dream.
I think you'll find that the most ancient roots of the modern recipe are nearly inseperable from the field of medical alchemy and have always been a list of ingredients and processes. The oldest surviving recorded recipes have been found in Egyptian tombs. Often the ingredients consist of items that can simply be found for free, e.g. dandelions, violets and purslane and cooks have maintained private recipe books since the first literate cook got ahold of a bit of papyrus and they function not only as a personal aid to memory, but also so that the cook can explain to his/her disciple what to do with the eggs.
Recipes are lore and deep juju. Always have been.
They also predate the time when anyone with the wherwithal to have a cook had to buy eggs or butter, or actually employ a cook for that matter. You got them from your chickens, cows, peasants and sharecropers. Your chickens and cows were your money, as was your cook.
. ..this mythical "free speech" business you USoAians have.
Mythical it may be in practice, but it is not mythical. It is written law, just like any other written law. One may view it in the original hand written copy.
As such it must be ahered to as much as any other law must be adhered to.
My personal stance on the issue is manage it on a regional basis. ..
Our law is contructed to explicitly prohibit this very thing. We fought a civil war over the issue. Federal laws guarunteeing liberty are the law of the land and cannot be superceded by local law. You may disagree with this approach, but it is the law.
As long as no legitimate content (eg "speech") is censored or blocked, there should be no problem with it.
And yet your proposed local solution to block the entire interent locally would do just this. In this case the law was overturned because the law blocked enough of the internet to do just this.
Hell, put a switch on every new PC saying "child pornography - ON/OFF" and let the consumers decide for themselves, instead of legislating it to high heaven.
Yes, this would work dandy, if. ..there were no legislation concerning the publication of child pornography, as per our mythical free speech.
Of course, the proper solution is to go after the people making child pornography who are engaged in actual acts not protected by free speech laws (such as violations of age of consent laws), but that would be too logical.
When I used to own an R/C racetrack people would automatically assume I meant model trains when I answered their question as to what my wife did because of the context in which they asked the question.
I always found their expressions rather amusing when I corrected this misapprehension. All 5'4" (she'd be upset if I didn't mention "and a quarter")/163 cm (and nearly a quarter)of her didn't exactly fit their notion of what a welder should look like. Guess who always gets sent to do work inside fuel tanks?
She's gotten to drive one of these, albeit only out of the final assembly shed into the yard. I'm still envious, but hey, she built it and I didn't:
That's why God invented soups and stews. You make one huge pot of something that you can eat out of at will during the week. Keep "evolving" it for variety. What starts out on Sunday as a couple gallons of lentil soup ends up as a few bowls of lentil and potato curry by Thursday.
The entire art of homemade "convienience" foods seems to have died out, in fact the two are often considered antithetical, but the microwave oven makes them an more valid than ever.
Rice and bean dishes are also excellent for cooking in bulk.
Then when she wants to eat at 6, but you want to cook until 9, you can prepare her (or she can help herself) a quicky mini-meal with a cup of hot chocolate (or wine if her taste turns in that direction), and you're free to cook until the contentment of that wears off.
Slashdot Mirror
"In Romania..." stories, such as man marries cow, or man believes he is the reincarnation of Dracula (reincarnation of the undead?).
What, no Bat Boy?
KFG
I'm saving the one that pisses you off for tomorrow. :)
KFG
Yes. Apparently, it is very popular to hide elephants in M&M packages in Syria.
:)
Well sure, but only imported elephants.
KFG
Yes, it also irritated the hell out of me, although perhaps for different reasons. I don't at all think he was blaming the woes of the world on men, he was, rather, exploring that issue through the eyes of charecters who believed that in order to point out the flaws in the belief, as well as the flaws in the belief of pastoralism and the isolationism needed to maintain the state in a technological enviroment.
.
It was argument via mild reductio ad absurdum with the Federation representive as narative guide to make sure you "got it."
Nonetheless, while it was a grand experiment in speculative philosophy, it was a deeply flawed experiment, both logically and philosophically.
But it was Brin, who is both a tolerable writer and thinker, even when he isn't at his best at either and I do necessarily avoid annoyingly flawed books because they do make me think about things.
It wasn't flawed enough to make me throw it across the room half way through, it was just flawed enough to make me think "No, no, that's not right because. .
I'm not inclined to reread it, there are better works I haven't read yet and life is short, but I'm not sorry I spent the time reading it in the first place, unlike Stephen Donaldson's Thomas Covenant books.
I haven't a clue what people see in those at all, let alone why they have such a rabid cult following, and want that portion of my life back.
KFG
. . .and they do not cause craters visible from space.
.in the forest.
Oh yeah, there is no confirmation that there is a "crater." That claim is from an unconfirmed source, and forest fires create "craters". .
Ya know, big black hole in the trees visible from space?
KFG
No, no it couldn't. Forest fires do not create mushroom clouds. . .
Of course they do. Any suffcient localized heat source can create a mushroom cloud. Pure solar energy creates mushroom clouds. Have you ever seen a meteorlogical cell, otherwise know as a thunderstorm?
Beautiful mushroom clouds 40,000 feet tall and miles across at the top.
You can create a mushroom cloud in a tank with a candle. It's just atmospheric convection, hot air rising and then falling off as it cools.
KFG
Let us say I'm willing to accept your scenario for the sake of argument ( because I'm willing to accept any scenario for the sake of argument), I'd still think that Japan, South Korea, China and Russia might feel obliged to have some say in the matter.
Remember that it was Finland that broke the Chernobyl story. America is not the world, and our politics do not control all.
Why, there are even people who ignore them completely.
KFG
. . .there were no nuclear weapons until the END of ww2...so i think the duck and cover vids were from Teh Cold War. . .
Yes. Original poster was not paying attention in a lot of classes, nor thinking very hard about the material either, but I decided not to be quite so blunt about it as your post. As originally formated my post included your observation, but I deleted it before submiting, not wanting to give the impression that it was my intention to insult.
Shake a few brain cells maybe, which can be unpleasant enough, but not insult.
I'm starting to dread the phrase "I took a class" more and more each year.
KFG
Sorry, that's all the genuine me ruminating. I can't please everyone all the time, and don't take any pains to do so.
And when it comes to politics I generally don't please anybody.
KFG
. . .they still haven't found the ones in Iraq.
Ya ever see an elephant hiding in an M&M package?
KFG
I disagree. A confirmable nuclear test in North Korea is what George has been secretly praying for; since he warned us of it. His entire administration rests on the premise that he is God's chosen bulwark to protect us from the forces of Biblical style evil with which he has formally implicated North Korea.
It would be used as a rallying flag for the faithful and a tool to strike fear into the hearts of "Middle America" almost instantly.
Also, do not fall into the trap of believing that the press is quite that pliable. You can get the press to print your lies, but you can't get them to quote your lies accurately or reasonably persuade them to shut the hell up in any sort of uniform manner.
Also, do not fall into the trap of believing that the American press is the only press in the world. There is also lack of official confirmation from China, England, France, Russia, Germany, Japan or even South Korea.
The fact that the story comes solely from a South Korean paper quoting an anonymous Chinese source is also interesting.
If I were to view this story cynically I would take the opposite point of view to yourself. I would be inclined to believe it is a story manufactured by the Bush administration for the purposes of buttressing themselves just before the election, or manufactured by the South Koreans as a ploy to spur American aid and native patriotic fervor.
Well, ok. As it happens I am pretty cynical. I don't entirely discount the latter possibility at all, or rather that a real explosion did occur, so the story is not actually manufactured, but is being "spun" for political purposes by the South Koreans.
Time might tell, but as these things go a lot of time has already passed.
KFG
Surely radiation detectors will sort it out within a day or two.
The explosion happened last Thursday. The fact that this is still a minor story with no confirmation is interesting.
KFG
Reminds me of those WWII era Civil Defense movies I saw once in a history class...
.are you ready for it?
Yeah, I saw that one in school too. Then we all went into the cloak room, got our coats, then marched into the school basement to practice ducking and protecting ourselves by holding our coats over our heads.
You weren't paying enough attention in class though, it wasn't a WWII era movie. It was. .
A Korean Conflict era movie.
KFG
"Super Duper Triple Mega Ultra Redux Version Mod Me +5 Funny Because I Use Lots Of Adjectives Edition."
You left out, "With Bluing for extra whiteness."
KFG
I am a woman, and the diagrams look fine to me.
No particular reason why they shouldn't. My reference to women was sardonic, prompted by the story blurb.
I don't see how this is "cooking for engineers", though.
Well that's perfectly understandable, since it isn't. Engineers are people who take problems and create solution sets for them. Stir fried random is cooking for engineers. Dumpster Diving for Chop Suey is cooking for engineers. What I Found in my Lawn Salad is cooking for engineers. In short, recipe creation is cooking for engineers.
I almost wrote a long post about this using Lego as an example. A recipe follower who wants to build a Lego space ship goes out and buys a Lego Space Ship kit and follows the directions. An engineer inventories his block collection and devises a way to build a space ship from them.
But I didn't, which is probably just as well.
KFG
When I was back there on Slashdot
there was a person there
who put forth the proposition
that you can petition the LoTR with prayer.
Petition the LoTR with prayer?
Petition the LoTR with prayer?
You cannot petition the LoTR with prayer!
KFG
Now we have all the technology we can imagine (well almost) so we have to dream about something else.
Ironic that it's pastoralism that we dream of now, isn't it? David Brin deals with this as something of a side issue in his Glory Season, making the story metascience fiction. I suppose somebody had to take that step and better Brin than most.
Not that there's anything unique to the present about dreaming of pastoralism. Many of the great writers of the Industrial Revolution did that. What's different is that now it's the technologists themselves dreaming that dream.
KFG
I think you'll find that the most ancient roots of the modern recipe are nearly inseperable from the field of medical alchemy and have always been a list of ingredients and processes. The oldest surviving recorded recipes have been found in Egyptian tombs. Often the ingredients consist of items that can simply be found for free, e.g. dandelions, violets and purslane and cooks have maintained private recipe books since the first literate cook got ahold of a bit of papyrus and they function not only as a personal aid to memory, but also so that the cook can explain to his/her disciple what to do with the eggs.
Recipes are lore and deep juju. Always have been.
They also predate the time when anyone with the wherwithal to have a cook had to buy eggs or butter, or actually employ a cook for that matter. You got them from your chickens, cows, peasants and sharecropers. Your chickens and cows were your money, as was your cook.
KFG
. . .this mythical "free speech" business you USoAians have.
.
.there were no legislation concerning the publication of child pornography, as per our mythical free speech.
Mythical it may be in practice, but it is not mythical. It is written law, just like any other written law. One may view it in the original hand written copy.
As such it must be ahered to as much as any other law must be adhered to.
My personal stance on the issue is manage it on a regional basis. .
Our law is contructed to explicitly prohibit this very thing. We fought a civil war over the issue. Federal laws guarunteeing liberty are the law of the land and cannot be superceded by local law. You may disagree with this approach, but it is the law.
As long as no legitimate content (eg "speech") is censored or blocked, there should be no problem with it.
And yet your proposed local solution to block the entire interent locally would do just this. In this case the law was overturned because the law blocked enough of the internet to do just this.
Hell, put a switch on every new PC saying "child pornography - ON/OFF" and let the consumers decide for themselves, instead of legislating it to high heaven.
Yes, this would work dandy, if. .
Of course, the proper solution is to go after the people making child pornography who are engaged in actual acts not protected by free speech laws (such as violations of age of consent laws), but that would be too logical.
KFG
That would be 1/1 "scale."
When I used to own an R/C racetrack people would automatically assume I meant model trains when I answered their question as to what my wife did because of the context in which they asked the question.
I always found their expressions rather amusing when I corrected this misapprehension. All 5'4" (she'd be upset if I didn't mention "and a quarter")/163 cm (and nearly a quarter)of her didn't exactly fit their notion of what a welder should look like. Guess who always gets sent to do work inside fuel tanks?
She's gotten to drive one of these, albeit only out of the final assembly shed into the yard. I'm still envious, but hey, she built it and I didn't:
Acelae Express
KFG
That's why God invented soups and stews. You make one huge pot of something that you can eat out of at will during the week. Keep "evolving" it for variety. What starts out on Sunday as a couple gallons of lentil soup ends up as a few bowls of lentil and potato curry by Thursday.
The entire art of homemade "convienience" foods seems to have died out, in fact the two are often considered antithetical, but the microwave oven makes them an more valid than ever.
Rice and bean dishes are also excellent for cooking in bulk.
Then when she wants to eat at 6, but you want to cook until 9, you can prepare her (or she can help herself) a quicky mini-meal with a cup of hot chocolate (or wine if her taste turns in that direction), and you're free to cook until the contentment of that wears off.
KFG
yeah, it can squeeze chocolate, but it's not like we have girlfriends anyway.
Ah, you have yet to learn the proper application of chocolate.
KFG
I'm more intested in putting down plaster myself.
Then you can cast metal in it...
Indeed, what but do you make your casting model with?
Aha!
KFG
My wife is better at, well, uh, working... damn...
Don't sweat it. Lot of that going around.
A cook is only as good as his ingredients.
True, but a chef's ingredients are as good as he is. If all you have is spoiled fish you make a spoiled fish dish.
KFG
Tomato sauce is plenty chemistry. Try cooking some in an iron pot and see what happens.
It hasn't exactly done wonders for the anodizing of my Calphalon pots either, although this process is somewhat less dramatic.
KFG