Cool. Your employer just relocated your job 25 miles out into the suburbs. To get to work on time, you'll need to start out on your bike at, what, midnight?
In this hypothetical situation, if I were due at work at 1:30 A.M. and didn't feel like working up much of a sweat, yeah.
You wouldn't be
Spoiled
Rotten
by having a car, would you?
Just think: Some day you'll actually have to get a real job.
Yes, in Germany it has been known as Low German for many years, primarily due to political/sociological reasons in denying it to be anything other than a variant of German, rather than a language in its own right.
Although there may be pockets of speakers in Lower Saxony I doubt it was anyone from that area that had anything to do with this, since neither the "Low" or the "Saxon" have anything to do with Lower Saxony. Low Saxon is the Saxon language of the Low Countries. In other words the coastal region. It seems more likely to me that the originators of the translation come from one of the port cities.
And yes, there are pockets of Low Saxon speakers here in upstate NY (heavy colonization by people of the low countries), which is where I first became aware of the language (my SO's grandparents being German immigrants).
More to the point, perhaps, is that Low Saxon doesn't even have its own defined orthography, so I'm at a certain loss how it can be supported as a written language.
Still, someone considered it important enough, perhaps for sociological reasons, to make the "translation." Much as a Welshman might be perfectly comfortable in English, but prefer to conduct himself in Welsh at times.
One thing you have to keep in mind is, all patented devices seem obvious when you have the benefit of hindsight. The first automobiles were nothing more than an "assembly of dozens of really patent worth[y] technologies..." If you have the foresight, the skill, and the facilities to glom them together and make something new then go for it.
See the Selden patent, where a patent attorney claimed patent on the automobile for doing nothing more than assembling "off the shelf" technologies into a single patent, without ever so much as putting together a working prototype.
The patent was eventually broken, but not until one year before it was due to expire.
In the meantime Selden made a good deal of money selling ideas which were not his to begin with. In effect, the patent held even though it was broken, the legal process for challanging a patent taking so long that it often becomes a legally moot issue even though the patent is invalid.
You have it all backwards. Selden (of Rochester, NY. Go figure) sued Ford, even though Daimler was the orginal inventor.
Ford broke the Seldon patents, by the way, as in some repects they were too broad and obvious, and in some respects too narrow (no one actually used the specific engine technology in the Selden patents to make a car).
At the time Selden filed his suit against Ford he had never so much as made a prototype of his car. Selden was a patent attorney who saw the obvious writing on the wall and filed a patent for what was obviously coming "down the pike," as it were, in an attempt to corner the IP market on the entire coming auto industry without actually inventing anything.
The tactic is clearly not of modern invention.
In the case of Kodak they really are the "inventor" of digital camera technology, and thus more analogous to Daimler, and not only built prototypes but sell their technology widely. Of course much of the "invention" is trivial and obvious, but at least they really did develop it.
However, it is difficult to deny that in the realm of classical literature your people loom much larger than their mere numbers.
The importance of a language goes far beyond such trivialities as how many people speak it. What they have to say is also of great social and political import.
Bantu is a language group, not a language. Like Semetic. The most important of the Bantu languages is Swahili, which many people who have a great deal of use for KDE speak as their first language.
The clicking language of Namibia is not part of the Bantu group.
By the way, Zulu is already supported by KDE, and a Swahili translation project is underway.
I also have a sneaking suspicion that in the heavily industrialized, educated and rich portions of western Europe where Low Saxon is spoken they have a good deal of use for KDE as well.
KFG
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Quite the contrary, I was quite aware of the translation team and the obvious "K" joke involved.
In fact, it was my awareness of the the team that lead me to use the word "silly," as I took it from the official KDE development team's response to the project.
Not that I feel there's no room in the world for such silliness, mind you. More power to them if that's what makes them happy.
For the record, Low Saxon is an extant language used every day in parts of Germany and the Netherlands.
It may be a somewhat obscure language, in the sense that Icelandic is an obscure language, but just as is the case for Icelandlic it is not an obscure, dead language.
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Could he play it like a euphonium?
Yes, but only if it was a four string banjo.
KFG
Cool. Your employer just relocated your job 25 miles out into the suburbs. To get to work on time, you'll need to start out on your bike at, what, midnight?
In this hypothetical situation, if I were due at work at 1:30 A.M. and didn't feel like working up much of a sweat, yeah.
You wouldn't be
Spoiled
Rotten
by having a car, would you?
Just think: Some day you'll actually have to get a real job.
Doesn't seem likely. I prefer to work.
KFG
Yes, in Germany it has been known as Low German for many years, primarily due to political/sociological reasons in denying it to be anything other than a variant of German, rather than a language in its own right.
Although there may be pockets of speakers in Lower Saxony I doubt it was anyone from that area that had anything to do with this, since neither the "Low" or the "Saxon" have anything to do with Lower Saxony. Low Saxon is the Saxon language of the Low Countries. In other words the coastal region. It seems more likely to me that the originators of the translation come from one of the port cities.
And yes, there are pockets of Low Saxon speakers here in upstate NY (heavy colonization by people of the low countries), which is where I first became aware of the language (my SO's grandparents being German immigrants).
KFG
Yes, but they are rich and educated sheep.
KFG
Isn't their one standard unit, then one that's slightly close but not really used for anything important?
The VW Beetle.
KFG
So you're saying that, much like the UFOs, this really is true but it's being covered up?
Hey, you don't really believe that story that the extra disk space is really just a weather balloon, do you?
KFG
. . . six years of math education and he's stumped by our ssl user interface.
I once knew a man who had a dog with only three legs, and yet that man could play the banjo like anything.
KFG
More to the point, perhaps, is that Low Saxon doesn't even have its own defined orthography, so I'm at a certain loss how it can be supported as a written language.
Still, someone considered it important enough, perhaps for sociological reasons, to make the "translation." Much as a Welshman might be perfectly comfortable in English, but prefer to conduct himself in Welsh at times.
KFG
I bicycle. I have no need for gas, as I am content to provide my own labor to get me where I want to go.
KFG
They're screwing me? The way I see things, *I'M* the one screwing *THEM*.
Congratulations. Your post has just earned someone in their PR department a raise.
It's kinda like an angel getting his wings when a bell rings, only different. Kinda the opposite really, when you stop to think about it.
KFG
Brain damage!
Yes, that is the exact routine I was echoing in my original post. It was quite intentional.
KFG
The "Buyer's Club" in my store? The question is like asking "What are legitimate uses for magnetic stripe cards?"
Smart Card Uses
KFG
And by that you mean the Horror Movie Channel, the Hitler Channel and the SNL:The Unfunny Years Channel.
Right?
KFG
One thing you have to keep in mind is, all patented devices seem obvious when you have the
benefit of hindsight. The first automobiles were nothing more than an "assembly of dozens of really
patent worth[y] technologies..." If you have the foresight, the skill, and the facilities to glom
them together and make something new then go for it.
See the Selden patent, where a patent attorney claimed patent on the automobile for doing nothing more than assembling "off the shelf" technologies into a single patent, without ever so much as putting together a working prototype.
The patent was eventually broken, but not until one year before it was due to expire.
In the meantime Selden made a good deal of money selling ideas which were not his to begin with. In effect, the patent held even though it was broken, the legal process for challanging a patent taking so long that it often becomes a legally moot issue even though the patent is invalid.
KFG
Maybe it's a Nigerian thing.
Nah. That's an old Jewish curse as well. In fact, I think the sentiment is nearly universal.
Bill Cosby uses it in one of his comedy routines, as his father laughs at him for the trouble he's having with his kids.
KFG
Ummmmm, no. Has to pay Kodak. Which, as it happens, Nikon already does. Hence the absence of a Kodak suit against them.
KFG
You have it all backwards. Selden (of Rochester, NY. Go figure) sued Ford, even though Daimler was the orginal inventor.
Ford broke the Seldon patents, by the way, as in some repects they were too broad and obvious, and in some respects too narrow (no one actually used the specific engine technology in the Selden patents to make a car).
At the time Selden filed his suit against Ford he had never so much as made a prototype of his car. Selden was a patent attorney who saw the obvious writing on the wall and filed a patent for what was obviously coming "down the pike," as it were, in an attempt to corner the IP market on the entire coming auto industry without actually inventing anything.
The tactic is clearly not of modern invention.
In the case of Kodak they really are the "inventor" of digital camera technology, and thus more analogous to Daimler, and not only built prototypes but sell their technology widely. Of course much of the "invention" is trivial and obvious, but at least they really did develop it.
KFG
I can see it now:
"Here at Earl Scheib Legal Services we'll paint IP any color you want for just two dolla. That's right, just two dolla!"
KFG
Yeah, but then a few days after that you're likely to find out your new paperboy is Mike Wallace.
I hate when that happens.
KFG
Ah, yes. Point taken. :)
KFG
"Did I tell you not to install Gator?"
"Uh huuuuh."
"Then why did you install it?"
"I don't know."
The fun part is when you get to spank them and send them to bed without dinner.
You know what they say people, be nice to your kids, because someday you're going to have to rely on them being nice to you.
KFG
However, it is difficult to deny that in the realm of classical literature your people loom much larger than their mere numbers.
.OW! Sorry. I'm better now.
The importance of a language goes far beyond such trivialities as how many people speak it. What they have to say is also of great social and political import.
Oh Lord, won't you buy me. . .
KFG
Bantu is a language group, not a language. Like Semetic. The most important of the Bantu languages is Swahili, which many people who have a great deal of use for KDE speak as their first language.
The clicking language of Namibia is not part of the Bantu group.
By the way, Zulu is already supported by KDE, and a Swahili translation project is underway.
I also have a sneaking suspicion that in the heavily industrialized, educated and rich portions of western Europe where Low Saxon is spoken they have a good deal of use for KDE as well.
KFG
Quite the contrary, I was quite aware of the translation team and the obvious "K" joke involved.
In fact, it was my awareness of the the team that lead me to use the word "silly," as I took it from the official KDE development team's response to the project.
Not that I feel there's no room in the world for such silliness, mind you. More power to them if that's what makes them happy.
KFG
For the record, Low Saxon is an extant language used every day in parts of Germany and the Netherlands.
It may be a somewhat obscure language, in the sense that Icelandic is an obscure language, but just as is the case for Icelandlic it is not an obscure, dead language.
KFG