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SCO Consultant S2 Strategic Consulting In Depth

cdlu writes "Wondering about SCO's contractor S2? They're the people that wrote Halloween II and indemnified SCO... well, here's all you want to know about them from NewsForge." (NewsForge is part of OSDN.) Maybe not all you want to know, but enough for one day. Several readers also point out Bruce Perens' column on CNET today which reiterates the difficulty SCO faces in attempting to get past the clarification of license terms AT&T offered Unix licensees in 1985.

176 comments

  1. Uh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    Wondering about SCO's contractor S2?
    Not really, why do you ask?
    1. Re:Uh... by vivek7006 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Why does Mike Anderer, the CEO of S2, a longtime personal friend of McBride, a man with an unlisted home phone number and far-ranging connections in Redmond, Wash. not make himself available to explain his "misunderstanding" in the deal he allegedly brokered between Microsoft and SCO to bring SCO $50 million last October?

      Want to know why?
      Here it is... Mike Anderer and McBride making love

  2. $2? by mattjb0010 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Phew, for a second there I thought it read "$2 Strategic Consulting".

    1. Re:$2? by Frigid+Monkey · · Score: 2, Funny

      "I got a $2 bill and a pack of rabid lawyers! At least MS is backing me."

      You're closer than you think! Anyone noticed SCO's Stock price today?

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    2. Re:$2? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      down 9.13% to 10.25, which is about 5 times better than they were 2 years ago.

    3. Re:$2? by kfg · · Score: 1

      I can see it now:

      "Here at Earl Scheib Legal Services we'll paint IP any color you want for just two dolla. That's right, just two dolla!"

      KFG

    4. Re:$2? by Spacelem · · Score: 1

      I actually read that as SCO tragic death for a second, (really, I tend to get a bit muddled when reading words at times). Still, I think I prefer my alternate title...

    5. Re:$2? by Treacle+Treatment · · Score: 1

      VERSE 1
      Th black smoke's arisin' must be Red Hat
      Th black smoke's arisin' must be Red Hat
      Th black smoke's arisin' must be Red Hat
      I'm on my long journey home

      CHORUS:
      I lost all my money but a two dollar bill
      Two dollar bill, a two dollar billl
      I lost all my money but two dollar bill
      I'm on my long journey home

      VERSE 2
      O, I hear IBM knockin' but I must go on
      IBM's a knockin' but I must go on
      It's IBM come knockin' but I must go on
      I'm on my long journey home

      --
      TT
    6. Re:$2? by Halthar · · Score: 1

      Great, now I have that damn kid on the bike in "Better off Dead" screaming "I want my two dollars!!!" stuck in my head.

      Thanks

  3. Finally by savagedome · · Score: 4, Insightful

    how it was able to raise so much money for a company that has had serious trouble selling its bread-and-butter products for months

    to be backing completely away from the little Utah company as the heat in the kitchen gets hotter

    What you smell cooking in the kitchen is usually what is served

    Thank God. Finally a non-SCO story. Phew.

    *wipes brow*

  4. to sum it up: the emporer has no clothes by Serveert · · Score: 2, Redundant

    Microsoft is trying to kill linux via litigation, the truth is out, people are dodging questions.

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    1. Re:to sum it up: the emporer has no clothes by bill_doors · · Score: 1

      Excelent analogy... and yes, the truth is out there and the liars was discovered. What could answer mr Bill Gates when press ask him for this dirty issue??? He never knew it???
      Please!!!

  5. Address for S2 Consulting is a house... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...albeit a mansion. The mapquest map shows this address about as high as you can go in the salt lake valley.

    1. Re:Address for S2 Consulting is a house... by HFKIRSpyderMonkey · · Score: 5, Funny

      Interesting... if not a little creepy that you decided to map out directions to their place. I hope my address never gets /.ed

    2. Re:Address for S2 Consulting is a house... by irokitt · · Score: 1

      I just tried to mapquest my address, but it seems to have a problem. Hopefully the switch to IPv6 will fix that.

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    3. Re:Address for S2 Consulting is a house... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Searching for S2 at https://secure.utah.gov/bes/bes shows their address here.

    4. Re:Address for S2 Consulting is a house... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is the address listed on the wayback machine, 57 W Broadway. There's a parking structure there (for the Wells Fargo Tower.) Maybe, McBride and Anderer exchanged a bag of cash on a 4th level ramp.

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    5. Re:Address for S2 Consulting is a house... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about this one: http://www.terraserver.com
      Maybe it's time for me to transfer to a Utah Marine artillery unit and call a fire mission on those grid coordinates. *grin*

      Oops. Did I say that out loud? Better post this anonymously thru a proxy in China..

  6. Phone "Out of order" for several days by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 4, Insightful
    If you want the phone company to tell people that your phone is out of order, this is what to do: Dial your own number. Wait for the busy signal. Put the line on hold or leave it off the hook.

    This is probably why S2's phone has been out of order "for several days".

    Bruce

    1. Re:Phone "Out of order" for several days by kfg · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah, but then a few days after that you're likely to find out your new paperboy is Mike Wallace.

      I hate when that happens.

      KFG

    2. Re:Phone "Out of order" for several days by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hi Mr Perens, is there a copy of this newsletter from ATT anywhere on the internet for us to see what it says? Thanks if you know.

    3. Re:Phone "Out of order" for several days by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I have to suspect they're out of business since their Web site shows a plain image with no content while archive.org shows they had previous content. And www.siliconstemcell.com, showing the same whois information as s2.com and s2.net, redirects to the FBI site. Also, looking up S2 at https://secure.utah.gov/bes/bes shows them as delinquent.

    4. Re:Phone "Out of order" for several days by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      AT&T newsletters are on Groklaw here and here

    5. Re:Phone "Out of order" for several days by jareds · · Score: 3, Informative

      The April 1985 $ echo newsletter announces that changes will be made to the agreements, and is available here (see page 5).
      The August 1985 $ echo newsletter announces that changes have been made to the agreements, and is available here (again, see page 5).

    6. Re:Phone "Out of order" for several days by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      If you want the phone company to tell people that your phone is out of order, this is what to do: Dial your own number. Wait for the busy signal. Put the line on hold or leave it off the hook.
      Don't forget that in order to undo the effect, you'll probably need to unplug all phones in the house (or office), not just the one that was off the hook, for several minutes.

      While we're talking phone tricks, here's a cute one for BellSouth. If you're late paying your bill and they temporarily disconnect you - this happens after you've missed 2 consecutive payments - go to bellsouth.com and post an ACH payment for $1.00. Something about their electronic payment system is coded to instantly reactivate a disconnected number as soon as a payment is received, but it doesn't check to see if the amount you paid covers your full balance.

      This will get your phone turned back on until you can afford to pay them the remainder. I don't know whether you can do it two months in a row, so I suggest sending them a check before you're 3 months late.
    7. Re:Phone "Out of order" for several days by shadowbearer · · Score: 1

      LOL.

      The funny thing about both posts is that both are plausible :)

      Argh. I need a high-temp brake for my spinning head.

      SB

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    8. Re:Phone "Out of order" for several days by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Netcraft reports that S2.com is running

      WINDOWS 2000 and IIS.

      Figures!

  7. This case is over... by Cpl+Laque · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We all know that is done done. SCO is done and if M$ doesn't cover their tracks they are done. I f you read Groklaw and I am sure many of you do SCO doesn't have a case.

    Worst case scenario IBM actually put AIX code into Linux. SCO doesn't own the code. SCO doesn't have copyright on the code. It's even in dispute with novell if SCO can even sue IBM over this AIX code anyways. Worst case is they will get a few bucks from IBM. Linux will remained unchanged. Obviously this case hasn't killed the adoption of Linux by many corporations. So I am not worried. Hell, SCOX is starting to plummet regardless of what Crazy Press Releases SCO makes. Do you think Autozone and Chrysler are worried about SCO? Even a large company would have trouble with the plethora of lawsuits SCO is dealing with and there will be more when all is said and done.

    Sleep easy slashdot No one is taking Linux from us.

    1. Re:This case is over... by nastyphil · · Score: 4, Informative

      If you read Groklaw and I am sure many of you do SCO doesn't have a case.

      What you mean is: if Groklaw's interperatation of the facts and the law in this case is accurate and mirrored by the presiding courts, THEN SCO doesn't have a case.

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    2. Re:This case is over... by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      if M$ doesn't cover their tracks they are done. Nonsense. Nobody cares. People **expect** big corporations to be bent just like they expect politicians to be bent. So long as their shareholders don't get hurt nothing will happen, any more than anything happened when Bush cheated to get Florida and lied to get a war.

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  8. Quick synompsis by cluge · · Score: 5, Insightful


    The more you dig into SCO, the more bovine feces you find. Some of these feces have a the distinct "redmond feces" smell, while other feces seem to have a vague odor of "corruption" and "bad legal advice". It's hard to tell the last 2 apart.

    The fact is that Microsoft had dominated the software market because the identified who/what was the industry standard and they under cut their price, and/or provided the product free OR bought out the competitor and silently buried the product. With Linux - it becomes very hard to utilize this successful strategy. This article seems to point to the developing theory that MS has taken the low road. When you can't compete, sue (in thise case finance the suer, keeping pretty hands "clean").

    In the end - this deserves more investigation. I'm still not convinced that this isn't just the most ellaborate pump and dump scheme yet devised.

    AngryPeopleRule

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    1. Re:Quick synompsis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I'm still not convinced that this isn't just the most ellaborate pump and dump scheme yet devised.

      The insiders have been seller shares since SCO first filed the suit. Their only purchases have been through the exercise of options. Not one of them has any confidence n the future of their company. Read it here. Even if this is exactly what McBride claims it is, a legitimate lawsuit, the folks who have the most knowledge about SCO's prospects for winning it are taking their money and running.

      Bruce Perens is right when he says, "When a company makes unfounded assertions for a month or two, it can be dismissed as a mistake or wishful thinking. When the distortions continue for a full year, that suggests a less innocent conclusion. There are hard questions about what's going on--especially when deceived stockholders are liable to left in the lurch.".

    2. Re:Quick synompsis by shadowbearer · · Score: 1

      The more you dig into SCO, the more bovine feces you find. Some of these feces have a the distinct "redmond feces" smell, while other feces seem to have a vague odor of "corruption" and "bad legal advice". It's hard to tell the last 2 apart.

      Another is #3. Pure stupidity. But it's a very hard to discern scent among the other scents (see #1 and 2 by previous poster). It may only exist as trace elements in the feces analysis. However, it may also be an important part of the makeup of the feces.

      More study is required.

      SB

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    3. Re:Quick synompsis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heheh.. speaking of Pure stupidity, learn to count. ;)

  9. Wayback archive for S2 by merc · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Not sure how current the other listings for S2 are, but wayback machine shows their old website, which contains some interesting demographic data (particularly, an office in Redmond, WA).

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    It's true no man is an island, but if you take a bunch of dead guys and tie 'em together, they make a good raft.
    1. Re:Wayback archive for S2 by slandis · · Score: 2, Interesting

      *GASP*

      And then you remember that there are hundreds of businesses located in Redmond, Washington. The majority of which are located within 10 or so blocks of One Microsoft Way.

      OH NOES! It's a conspiracy. Nintendo must be in on this too, right? After all, they're a mere 4 blocks from Microsoft!

      Get over it. Not everything from Redmond is internally tied to Microsoft.

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    2. Re:Wayback archive for S2 by tuxtomas · · Score: 1

      The Royal Oak MI address is conveniently located near the Oakland County courthouse where the suit against DaimlerChrysler was filed.

      I might bring them a sack of bagels in the morning. See how everything is going. Be a dick for awhile.

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    3. Re:Wayback archive for S2 by Phragmen-Lindelof · · Score: 1

      I will probably get modded down for this but
      Would you just grow up?
      I am sure you are correct about offices in Redmond. You might agree that it is interesting that the content in their web page has been removed. Does this mean anything? Probably not. However, what harm do you see in someone posting a link to an archive of their old website?

    4. Re:Wayback archive for S2 by dvNull · · Score: 1

      What abuot lycoris ? They are in redmond too :)

  10. Covered by Eric Raymond ++ on Thelinuxshow tonight by bstadil · · Score: 5, Informative
    Head on over to TheLinuxshow tonight. Starting at 8 Central this issue will be covered in details plus a section on how to complain to the SEC about MS' involvement.

    If you take the trouble on filing a formal complain to the SEC you could actualy make a difference.

    Second the MS antitrust judge Kollar Kotelly needs to be informed as well. What MS is doing is directly against her ruling.

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  11. "News"forge? How about Conjectureforge. by dmccarty · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I think SCO's tactics are as despicable as they come, but let's keep it fair. Somehow I doubt that this story belongs in the "News and Trends" section of Newsforge. Try the "Conjecture and Hypothesis" section instead.

    What news are they reporting? It's not news when you whine about why phone numbers didn't work and why you could get in touch with attributions (Anderer, Sontag, etc.). It's not news when you start a paragraph with "That leaves us, for now, with a couple of major unanswered questions." News reporters answer questions; they don't ask them. And it's not news when your story is speckled with "imagine all the partnering," "Anderer appears to be" and "what you smell cooking in the kitchen is usually what is served."

    Give me a break. I'm all for Linux advocacy, but let me know when you have some real news.

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  12. ms conspiracy by codepunk · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The MS conspiracy theory is the only thing that makes sense when gaging SCO's actions. Who on earth
    would sink the ship without having a lifeboat. I whole heartedly believe as do most others that MS is the sole driving factor behind all of this. I have never seen a company as hell bent destined to sink as SCO. What other possible motive do they have??

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    1. Re:ms conspiracy by ggvaidya · · Score: 1

      They're going bankrupt; it's either Sue Sue Sue, innovate something new and quick that'll save their company (Yeah, right!) or fold nice and cleanly. Darl's just trying to turn a profit - however small - to boost investor confidence and get the money flowing back in. It's probably do-or-die for those guys right now.

      I'd feel sorry for them if they weren't trying to take away my penguin. *Grrrr!*

  13. Interesting column by Perens by UnknowingFool · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Now that SCO has dropped the trade secret argument, Perens dismantles their remaining arguments in his column. Hopefully IBM and RedHat are reading it.

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    1. Re:Interesting column by Perens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because I'm sure IBM legion of lawyers needs to take legal advice from Bruce Perens.

  14. Re:IANAL by Zeinfeld · · Score: 4, Interesting
    ...in light of Microsoft being declared in violation of anti-trust law, can they funnel money to others to tie up competitors in court?

    I said at the time that it was a really bad idea for the Netscape guys and Scott McNealy to start this particular type of pissing contest. In the first place the DoJ would have given Microsoftr a much tougher time if they had stuck to the original case rather than getting into the Web and Java stuff where the case was very weak.

    But more importantly the motives of Sun and Netscape looked to be mostly about how to set up an alibi for their own monumental incompetence. Oh dear, company folded, must have been those evil guys in Redmond not my own incompetence...

    Oh well at least this time that fool Jackson won't be involved.

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  15. MS got ripped off by Bull999999 · · Score: 1

    You'd figure this "S2" firm would've at least put up a half-way decent website and a team of Indian call center workers to answer phones for 50 mil.

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    1. Re:MS got ripped off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They used to have one.. Check wayback or look for my other anonymous coward post that has the link

    2. Re:MS got ripped off by Valdrax · · Score: 1

      Look, when you make a sock puppet, do you use hand-woven argyle or cheap, Wal-mart cotton-blend?
      Same principle, only with hooke... consultants.

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  16. *awaits splat sound* by aweraw · · Score: 4, Funny

    I can hear the wailing of their rapidly falling stock and it makes me giddy, but really I just can't wait for the sound it will make at the end of its vertical journey ;-P

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    1. Re:*awaits splat sound* by El · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And the really wonderful thing about SCOX plumetting is... their lawyers "$9 million in fees" apparently consisted of $1 million in cash and 400,000 shares of SCOX stock! Uh, that would make it about $5 million as of today, Mr. Boies! Here's hoping the stock will be worth less than $40,000 before they have a chance to sell it!

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  17. Re:Covered by Eric Raymond ++ on Thelinuxshow toni by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    American Idol won't be over at 8CST.

  18. It won't be long now... by jmors · · Score: 5, Funny
    (setting) A dimly lit street corner in a City in Utah...

    DM: Pssst, hey buddy, come'ere

    Passerby: Who are you and what do you want?

    DM: Wanna buy a valuable license? (opens trench coat)

    Passerby: What's it a license for?

    DM: I can't tell you, if I tell you I would have to kill you, but truuuusssssttt me, it contains license to use some valuable IP!

    Passerby: How Much?

    DM: How much you got?

    Passerby: (pulling out his checkbook) I only have 12 dollars and 15 cents left in my account.

    DM: That'll do.

    Passerby: Who do I make the check out to?

    DM: Corporate Attorneys Suing Humanity, but you can abbreviate and just make it out to C.A.S.H

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  19. Re:"News"forge? How about Conjectureforge. by Bull999999 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I guess you haven't read mainstream news lately. There are planty news articles that end with "The call to YYY from ZZZ company did not return the call.". Acording you your logic, most of the news stories out there would be "Conjecture and Hypothesis".

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  20. Malfunction... by 222 · · Score: 1

    Another...*buzz* SCO *click* story *smoke*.
    SCOverload imminent...

  21. A little too obvious? by psi42 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "And why does domain registration information for S2.com give the obviously false phone number 123-456-7890"

    Indeed, why? I would think even SCO would be smart enough not to make an under-the-counter relationship with MS so blisteringly obvious.

    IMHO, this means either of two things:
    a) There is no under-the-counter conspiracy
    b) SCO is smoking even more crack than we previously thought :)

    I hate SCO as much as the next guy, but I would think that multi-billion dollar corporations would do a little better job covering their tracks.

    Or perhaps not. :)

    ~psi42

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    1. Re:A little too obvious? by Bull999999 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      MS hired a PR firm to create "I switched from Mac to XP" advertisement but the PR firm ended up using a stock phone that was discovered rather quickly.

      I guess is that MS hired a middleman to funnel the money through to SCO and that middleman (S2) did half-assed job funneling the money.

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  22. Slimy by Rodrin · · Score: 1

    Anybody that SCO hires has got to be just as slimy as SCO themselves. 'Nuff said.

  23. Height of S2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For those of you who aren't familiar with the Salt Lake Valley, this is prime real estate. The reason the roads don't go any further east is because they can't -- thems is mountains over thar. The address of S2 is up in the hills, a nice spot to build a mansion that overlooks the valley.

    1. Re:Height of S2 by aweraw · · Score: 1

      step 1: build mansion in Salt Lake valley hills
      step 2: "advise" failing software company
      step 3: place pinkie finger on bottom lip and laugh in maniacal fashion
      step 4: ???
      step 5: profit!

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  24. Re:"News"forge? How about Conjectureforge. by donnz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    For once, this really is "real news". It removes the case from "David protecting his precious IP from Goliath" to MS trying, in their normal trustworthy way, to subvert Linux.

    SCO has confirmed the memo is for real. If you look at the contract between S2 and SCO you can see that S2 was hired to:

    advise SCO as to any potential financings, either debt or equity, and assist SCO in arranging a customary revolving credit agreement or other financing in connection with any Transaction;

    And that is just a small part of the contract which is very wide ranging.

    To suggest that this guy didn't know what was going on with the financing deals is just ludicrous...Give me a break.

    So, this is important, it confirms what people suspected and frankly, it changes the entire nature of the case and SCOs accusations.

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  25. Re:"News"forge? How about Conjectureforge. by Optic7 · · Score: 1

    I too found the article to be weak.

    "While at IKON, he was a key member of the management team responsible for developing a new $550 million technology services division at IKON Office Solutions. Most of IKON's products, including printers, fax machines, copiers, and other tools, work with Microsoft Office software. Imagine all the partnering that was done at that time."

    Hmmm... so Mr. Anderer used to work for a company that manufactures printers that work with MS Office? Certainly this is evidence of a conspiracy! lol

  26. Re:"News"forge? How about Conjectureforge. by Brandybuck · · Score: 0

    Acording you your logic, most of the news stories out there would be "Conjecture and Hypothesis".

    Actually it's true. Most news stories out there are utter crap. I can't trust the newspapers, radio or television. And I certainly can't trust the internet or slashdot! Instead I have to pick out those few phrases here or there that aren't padded with weasel words, remove all adjectives, and still continue to doubt them without further substantiation.

    The news lies to you. The New York Times lies to you. CBS, NBC, and ABC lies to you. CNN and Fox lie to you. Rush and Drudge and NPR lie to you. And if you haven't figured it out by now, the editors of Slashdot couldn't tell you the truth if they had a gun held to their heads.

    Just one example. When the same news sources reported that 5.6% unemployment under Clinton Good, but currently report that 5.6% unemployment under Bush is Bad, they're liars. Plain and simple. Don't trust them. It doesn't matter what your political ideology is, don't trust them.

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  27. Next on Rock Bottom by agrippa_cash · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I don't doubt that there is a connection between Microsoft, S2 and SCO, but this article lays it on a little thick.
    ...Mike Anderer...a longtime ... friend of McBride, ... with an unlisted home phone number.
    As if having an unlisted phone number is unusual or a strong indicator of shady dealings. And later:
    Most of IKON's products...work with Microsoft Office software.
    I should hope so. And the last paragraph reads like Agatha Christy (not a compliment). I would not be at all surprised if Microsoft's ties to SCO were more numerous than is readily apparent, but this article is little more than conjecture and innuendo. I know those are KINDS of evidence, but I think we can do better.
    1. Re:Next on Rock Bottom by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 3, Interesting

      But did you use "123-456-7890" as your phone number when you registered your domain?

      Individually, all of these elements are innocent. Put together, while they might still turn out to be innocent, they certainly appear suspicious. Anderer, MS, and SCO could certainly dispel these suspicions if there was nothing to them and they wanted to. My guess is that they've got to get their stories straight, first. ;n)

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    2. Re:Next on Rock Bottom by Eivind · · Score: 1
      You're rigth. The elements does not in any way proove MS are behind them, not even really point in that direction.

      What they *do* point at, pretty consistently, is a less than reputable, less than serious company. Not that it's a huge surprise that SCO has dealings with consultants of similar moral fiber.

  28. Conspiracy Theories by StarWreck · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Since the release of Halloween X... the SCO and Microsoft "development" has been increasingly sounding like a massive conspiracy that has been in the works for at least several years.

    Did Mr. Anderers, Darl McBride and the other conspirators originally meet with Microsoft Agents while working at IKON when they hatched their plan?

    Was Silicon Stemcell created merely as a front to allow the conspirators to plan and work in secret? If not, then why is all that can be found out about Silicon Stemcell is that "may have moved again or gone out of business"? Was Silicon Stemcell actually just cast aside when their secret plot was ready to launch?

    Did Darl McBride position himself to become CEO of SCO merely to carry out the plot, planned years ahead of time? If not, then how is the connection between McBridge and Anderers at IKON explained?

    Was S2 also created as a front, to allow Mr. Anderers and the other conspirators into the front door that McBride had opened? If S2 is a real company, why does their website consist of 1 page with no links and no information and have their domain registered under a falsified phone number? How, exactly, did SCO even contact S2 to form their "business relationship" unless you take into account McBride's previous "friendship" with Anderers.

    YOU BE THE JUDGE!

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    1. Re:Conspiracy Theories by DF5JT · · Score: 1

      "Was Silicon Stemcell created merely as a front to allow the conspirators to plan and work in secret? "

      whois SiliconStemcell.com

      Registrant:
      S2 Partners, LLC
      4505 South Wasatch Blvd.
      Suite 200
      Salt Lake City, Utah 84124-4777
      United States

      and now please visit www.SiliconStemcell.com

      Conspiracy? Hah, there is no conspiracy!

    2. Re:Conspiracy Theories by StarWreck · · Score: 1

      AAAAH!!!! The website points to www.fbi.gov!!!!

      I discovered a real conspiracy and now they're going to kill me! AHHHH!!

      Didn't you read the article? The address you listed is no longer there "They may have moved or gone out of business".

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      ... and in the DRM, bind them.
  29. Enough already! by GoMMiX · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Just tell us when Darl is going to jail -- that's what we all really want to know.

    Ohh yeah, we also want to know when M$ gets a slap on the wrist. (If that even...)

    1. Re:Enough already! by Killjoy_NL · · Score: 1

      I'd rather see MS getting a knee in the groin.

      Not that I'm bitter or anything....

      --
      This is the sig that says NI (again)
  30. Re:"News"forge? How about Conjectureforge. by Bull999999 · · Score: 1

    I'd trust you but since you posted on slashdot, I can't, but if I can't trust you, your statement must be true but you posted on slashdot... My head hurts.

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  31. Obligatory Clippy Reference by ggvaidya · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hello, it looks like you're trying to set up a conspiracy against Linux! Would you like to:
    * Hire S2
    * Write a letter to MS asking for money
    * Buy 10,000 SCO licenses

    Sidepoint: if we refer to MS as M$, microserf, etc., what must they be calling us in Redmontland? Something obscene, I don't doubt ...

    1. Re:Obligatory Clippy Reference by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      *Write a press release

      Re: your sidepoint: I thought we're commies or hippies.

      --
      It's not offtopic, dumbass. It's orthogonal.
    2. Re:Obligatory Clippy Reference by StarWreck · · Score: 3, Funny

      All right, I'm not the best photo-manipulator... but here.

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  32. can't stress this enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    www.freebsd.org

  33. Re:"News"forge? How about Conjectureforge. by Tony-A · · Score: 1

    Dunno about you, but I prefer my news before it breaks.

    (That's why I read Slashdot at work;)

  34. s2? by bluetrident · · Score: 1

    wait. the super solenoid in the evas?

    wow, i thought that was only in NGE.

  35. Re:"News"forge? How about Conjectureforge. by Jeremi · · Score: 3, Insightful
    When the same news sources reported that 5.6% unemployment under Clinton Good, but currently report that 5.6% unemployment under Bush is Bad, they're liars.


    Nope, sorry. Calling something "good" or "bad" is an opinion, not a fact. If you don't agree with their opinion, fine, but calling people liars just because you disagree with their opinion discredits nobody but yourself.


    For your reference, lying would be if they said that the unemployment rate was 2.2% when the official figure was really 5.6%.


    (And if you think it's impossible for a 5.6% unemployment rate to be "good" one year and "bad" during another, consider how that figure is computed -- it's currently artificially low because so many people have stopped looking for work, and thus are no longer considered "unemployed", even though they remain jobless)

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    I don't care if it's 90,000 hectares. That lake was not my doing.
  36. The SCO Group is dying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    The SCO Group is dying

    It is official; NASDAQ confirms: the SCO Group (SCOX) is dying

    One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered SCO Group when NASDAQ confirmed that SCOX market price has dropped yet again, now down to less than a half of its October trading price. Coming on the heels of a recent NASDAQ report which plainly states that SCOX has lost more market capitilization, the market serves to reinforce what we've known all along. SCO Group is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by being dead last in a recent NASDAQ Losers list.

    You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict SCO's future. The hand writing is on the wall: SCO Group faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for SCO because SCO is dying. Things are looking very bad for SCO. As many of us are already aware, SCO continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

    UnixWare is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core users. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time SCO Group CEO Daryl McBride and Chris Sontag, the SCO vice president only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: SCO Group is dying.

    Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

    Window's leader Bill Gates states that there are 70 users of Linux. How many users of UnixWare are there? Let's see. The number of UnixWare versus Linux posts on Usenet and Slashdot is roughly in a ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there must be about 70 * 5 = 350 UnixWare users.

    Due to the troubles of the Lindon, Utah company, abysmal sales and so on, the SCO Group may go out of business and be taken over by Microsoft, who sells another troubled OS. Now that UnixWare is also dead, its corpse is to be turned over to yet another charnel house.

    All major surveys show that SCO Group has steadily declined in market share. SCO Group is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If UnixWare is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. UnixWare continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, UnixWare is dead.

    Fact: the SCO Group is dying.

    1. Re:The SCO Group is dying by tuxtomas · · Score: 1

      Thats the best use of old-troll-post ever. Quite hilarious.

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    2. Re:The SCO Group is dying by bgeer · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      The really funny part is that 3 people modded it interesting.

    3. Re:The SCO Group is dying by shadowbearer · · Score: 0, Flamebait


      Agreed.

      Nice to know it's not only me who thinks that some moderators have been really stupid in their use of mod points lately.

      SB

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      It's old. The more humans I meet, the more I like my cats. At least they are honest.
  37. BOFH explains SCO lawsuit by WCMI92 · · Score: 4, Funny

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/30/36116.html

    HILARIOUS. And using licenses to shit as an example is so appropriate.

    --
    Corporatism != Free Market
    1. Re:BOFH explains SCO lawsuit by corbettw · · Score: 3, Informative
      --
      God invented whiskey so the Irish would not rule the world.
    2. Re:BOFH explains SCO lawsuit by shadowbearer · · Score: 1


      OMFG, that's priceless.

      Thanks!! The more I read it, the more the subtle jokes come out...

      You owe me a new keyboard, Simon :)

      SB

      --
      It's old. The more humans I meet, the more I like my cats. At least they are honest.
  38. Re:Covered by Eric Raymond ++ on Thelinuxshow toni by fishbonez · · Score: 4, Informative
    Second the MS antitrust judge Kollar Kotelly needs to be informed as well. What MS is doing is directly against her ruling.

    The Technical Committee is responsible for enforcing the Final Judgement from the MS anti-trust case. You can submit complaints about MS possibly violating the Final Judgement to them. However when I emailed them, they sent me back the following reply:

    The Technical Committee has received your email dated March 9th, 2004, regarding SCO Group and Microsoft Corp. The issues you raise in your communication are not within the scope of the Technical Committee's mandate to assist the United States and the Settling States in the enforcement of the consent decree with Microsoft.

    For more information regarding the Governments' antitrust lawsuit against Microsoft or the settlement in the United States District Court for the District of Columbia, the following websites may be helpful:

    http://www.dcd.uscourts.gov/microsoft-2001.html - District Court site
    http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/cases/ms_index.htm - Department of Justice site
    http://www.microsoft-antitrust.gov - Joint States site
    http://www.microsoft.com/legal/settlementprogram - Microsoft

    Thank you for your interest in the Microsoft antitrust litigation and the Technical Committee. Any future correspondence may be addressed to complaints@thetc.org.

    I do not agree with their assessment as they are charged with enforcing the Final Judgement, which states the following:

    Section III. Prohibited Conduct
    F. Microsoft shall not retaliate against any ISV [Independent Software Vendor] or IHV [Independent Hardware Vendor] because of that ISV's or IHV's:
    1. developing, using, distributing, promoting or supporting any software that competes with Microsoft Platform Software or any software that runs on any software that competes with Microsoft Platform Software, or
    2. exercising any of the options or alternatives provided for under this Final Judgment.

    I think that MS's alleged behavior in the SCO matter clearly falls under that section and warrants an investigation. But the Technical Committee is saying that this is not their job. However, I saw no qualifiers on their website limiting their enforcement to particular sections of the Final Judgement. Perhaps when a clearer picture of MS's actions emerges, they will be more inclined to investigate but I suspect it will fall to the Justice Department to investigate.
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    Master Shake: You say that about everything you own. You should own toys. They're fun.
  39. Ever notice that www.sco.com is running linux? by MauMan · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Ever notice that www.sco.com is running linux (Netcraft.com)? I guess Unixware is not up to the task....

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    ------- Code to try when you're bored: qsort( 0, UINT_MAX, sizeof( int* ), IntCompare );
  40. Re:"News"forge? How about Conjectureforge. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are planty news articles that end with ...

    That's well and good for agricultural news but we're dealing with IT here.

  41. Wait...they wrote Halloween II? by Frennzy · · Score: 1

    Can they introduce me to Jamie Lee Curtis?

    On a more serious note, and I am probably just a loser, (quiet you), but perhaps you could take it easy on the folks who don't follow the SCO debacle with baited breath, and explain what you mean instead of using archaic pseudonyms for actual events?

  42. Assembly is more like needlepoint than swordplay by Dareth · · Score: 1

    You make alot of small sticks, none of which individually amount to very much, but over time add up to something greater than the sum of their parts.

    Swordplay, even with a rapier, uses less finesse, and more plain old-fashioned overkill.

    That said, I prefer swords to needles. I prefer C++ to assembly. Though at times I still wish I could take a claymore to my computer!

    --

    I only look human.
    My mother is a halfling and my dad is an ogre, so that makes me an Ogreling
  43. Darl's Address... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Funny you should mention that? ;)

    Wonder if it would be possible to picket Darl's house? Betcha his neighbors wouldn't be too happy, though, and it would be kinda bad for them. I mean, they haven't done anything wrong here (at least not that we know of).

    However, should you wish to contact Darl politely, here is how to do so:

    End Reader License Agreement: By reading this, you agree not to sue me and to use this only in a legal manner.

    The SCO Group
    355 South 520 West
    Suite 100
    Lindon, Utah 84042 USA
    801-765-4999 phone
    801-765-1313 fax

    Contact SCO online
    http://www.thescogroup.com/company/feedbac k/index. html

    Darl C McBride
    1799 Vintage Oak Ln
    Salt Lake City, UT 84121-6539

    Darl's home phone #: (801)424-2006
    Darl's office phone #: 801-932-5820

    Email Darl: darl@sco.com

    1. Re:Darl's Address... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod this up. This is really useful info.!

    2. Re:Darl's Address... by shadowbearer · · Score: 1


      Mod it down. This is really redundant info.

      Fer chrissakes already. Hasn't this been posted a couple thousand times in the last year? It's pretty easy to find, even for n00bs. I'm sure that media journalists won't have problems finding it (if they don't, they're not a journalist)

      Oh, and (OT) who says AC's can't karma whore?

      Sheese already.

      SB

      --
      It's old. The more humans I meet, the more I like my cats. At least they are honest.
    3. Re:Darl's Address... by 16K+Ram+Pack · · Score: 1
      This stuff is a really BAD idea. For two reasons...

      Firstly, I don't think anyone deserves to have their homes picketed. Not even a scumbag like DMcB.

      Secondly, posting his personal details just allows Darl to be let off the hook. He can claim 'victim' status and that he has an armed bodyguard. That is, SCO aren't a bunch of litigious bastards, they are the victims in all this.

      You want to do something about SCO? Picket their offices, leaflet outside SCO conferences, write to the SEC, your congressman, post letters in journals whenever SCO is mentioned, correcting any innaccuracies and spin, write OSS software that strengthens Linux, give some dosh to sites like groklaw.net.

    4. Re:Darl's Address... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn, I thought Anonymous Coward was just a niche'd nickname...

    5. Re:Darl's Address... by boisepunk · · Score: 1

      Crap post karma will be mine Darl McBride sucks my nuts Good day all!

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  44. Hey /. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Try picasso.s2.com

    - Your anonymous tipster

  45. SCO Consultant S2 Strategic Consulting In Depth by Bobdoer · · Score: 1

    Am I the only one who read this as "SCO Consultant S2 Strategic Consulting is Death"?

    1. Re:SCO Consultant S2 Strategic Consulting In Depth by baxissimo · · Score: 1

      No, I read it as "SCO blah bl-blah blah b-blah blah blah."

  46. Unemployment by MrYotsuya · · Score: 2, Informative

    Just one example. When the same news sources reported that 5.6% unemployment under Clinton Good, but currently report that 5.6% unemployment under Bush is Bad, they're liars.

    The difference is that under Clinton, the number of jobs actually increased. Under Bush II, there's a net loss of about 2.3 million jobs.

  47. How is this for lying? by dmaxwell · · Score: 1

    I would say counting burger-flipping McJobs as "Manufacturing Jobs" on official government reports is a lie. "Look 'Manufacturing jobs' went up 7% last quarter." Unfortunately, someone thought it would be a brilliant election year tactic but the Dems found about it too soon and had a field day with it.

  48. Re:Covered by Eric Raymond ++ on Thelinuxshow toni by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Reminds me of the DOJ response to the complaints about the final judgement:

    We received about 7000 coherent complaints, with these 10 arguments.... We don't agree with them.

    Who is responsible for making sure the enforcers do their job?

  49. Errr.... by Xenographic · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Okay, I can understand a bit of restraint. Only the judge gets to decide which side will prevail* and even the most highly paid lawyer can't predict how cases will play out in the end.

    However, all of the information PJ of Groklaw bases her conclusions on is available to the public. It is all there for you to read, at your leisure, in the Groklaw archives. She's not asking you to believe her with respect to evidence no one else has ever seen (unlike, say, Darl...)

    That said, I will still say that SCO clearly doesn't have much of a case, even though IANAL. I mean, I seem to remember both Novell and IBM's lawyers, as well as several outside lawyers calling SCO's action against them "meritless" ... (and yes, I am aware of their vested interests, but even so...)

    * This star is here because I think that SCO has always requested jury trials for some reason. In a jury trial, the judge decides the law, and the jury decides all the facts. Thus, the judge instructs the jury about how they should vote depending on what they believe the facts of the case to be. The judge cannot decide any of the facts, not even incontrovertable ones, and to do so is a reversible error. In other words, I personally think that SCO believes themselves more able to snow a jury concerning this than a judge, but that's just me...

    1. Re:Errr.... by Citizen+of+Earth · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I personally think that SCO believes themselves more able to snow a jury concerning this than a judge, but that's just me...

      If you're innocent, ask for a judge. If you're guilty, ask for a jury. I'm sure a similar thing works for the plaintiff.

  50. Unlisted Numbers? by Xenographic · · Score: 4, Insightful

    For a person to have an unlisted number is one thing. That's pretty normal.

    But for a company to have no good way to contact them? That's one of the first things most people look for (or should look for...) in spotting a fly-by-night online business...

    Why? Because if you buy a good or service from them and they don't deliver what they've promised, who are you going to contact to complain? And how are you going to get your money back?

    It's pretty simple, really...

    1. Re:Unlisted Numbers? by shadowbearer · · Score: 1

      Mod parent up (score me -1 Redundant) but this is a VERY GOOD POINT

      SB

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    2. Re:Unlisted Numbers? by DickBreath · · Score: 1

      But for a company to have no good way to contact them? That's one of the first things most people look for (or should look for...) in spotting a fly-by-night online business...

      Hey, now you're making me start to worry about those enlargement pills I ordered.

      --

      I'll see your senator, and I'll raise you two judges.
  51. That's "Crazy Press Releases" Copyright 2003 2004 by Duhavid · · Score: 1

    Well, you know the drill.

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  52. Bah :P by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You should have mentioned that it's just puppets (and, hence, probably SFW) :P

    The picture I had, which I am now trying to beat out of my mind, was on par with goatse & tubgirl. If you'll excuse me, I think I'll watch some TV now. I BADLY need to wash my brain after that...

  53. What does that have to do with SCO? by sharkey · · Score: 1

    Vinod Valloppillil and Josh Cohen are the named authors of the Halloween II document.

    --

    --
    "Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next.
  54. Number of Employees by nytmare · · Score: 1

    So how many employees does S2 have (is there anyone besides Anderer and his secretary)?

    IIRC, Anderer left SCO in Aug 03 and started S2 which consults for SCO.

  55. AIX source code question by Keith+McClary · · Score: 1

    After IBM delivers copies of the AIX source code, SCO will then get just two weeks to conclude its examination and make any additional claims.

    Will IBM give Darl the code on easily copiable CD's or on a truckload of paper accompanied by IBM guards?

  56. wayback s2.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Check out:

    http://web.archive.org/web/20010425142653/http:/ /s 2.com/index.html

    From wayback you can see there site has changed many times. It used to be owned by someone else and in the mid 90s was a sports site. A few years back we find things like:

    S2 is a second-generation entrepreneurial venture firm that specializes in developing and accelerating companies that commercialize emerging technologies across a wide spectrum of industries.

    S2 is headquartered in Salt Lake City, UT, with additional offices in Redmond, WA, Detroit, MI and Columbia, SC. S2 Capital, the company's affiliated financial firm, is located in Charleston, SC.

    They really did have a lot of offices as you can see:

    S2 - Headquarters

    56 East Broadway
    Salt lake City, UT
    84111
    v.801.415.2100
    f.801.415.2101

    info@s2.com

    S2 - Central States

    123 South Main
    Royal Oak, MI
    48067
    v.248.837.1400
    f.248.837.1401

    S2 - Southeast

    1200 Main St. ste. 1000
    Columbia, SC
    29201
    v.803.772.5922
    f.803.733.6799

    S2 - Northwest

    8195 166th Ave. NE ste. 101
    Redmond, WA
    98052
    v.425.882.2893
    f.425.881.5773

    S2 Capital

    418 king St.
    Charleston, SC
    29403
    v.843.722.8670
    f.843.937.8518

    1. Re:wayback s2.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One other thing.. Althought you can't view the press releases, you can see the date of the first one shows S2 came into existence in 2001.

  57. Let's have a look at some aerial photography by dcavanaugh · · Score: 1, Interesting

    If your address is correct, then have a look at this

  58. Good things grow on cowshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    Oo, look at the shiny buttons!

  59. Re:"News"forge? How about Conjectureforge. by Brandybuck · · Score: 1

    Calling something "good" or "bad" is an opinion, not a fact.

    Precisely! The news outlets are reporting opinions as facts.

    --
    Don't blame me, I didn't vote for either of them!
  60. Re:Covered by Eric Raymond ++ on Thelinuxshow toni by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Uh, unless SCO had a high profile woman in management, I doubt if the SEC will do much about anything. They seem to be about worthless. Maybe if SCO was in New York...

  61. Re:IANAL by shadowbearer · · Score: 1

    and you know, I know you do, that it was the change in fed administration that killed the penalties that MS was going to pay.

    Jackson, in his public comments (I'll agree they were stupid, within our current justice system) was trying to point out to the hoi polloi just how fucked up our system is...I have to admit he was right, even tho he fucked up the case badly. I find that disgusting. To me it's a defect in the system.

    It's just more ammo for the argument that the details of court cases involving publicly held companies should also be public knowledge. Oh, hell, that's an old and mostly dead argument now, tho. I don't even care enough to go into why anymore; it'll be at least a few generations before it's halfway fixed (it only took 3 generations to fuck it up)

    No matter how you look at it, Zeinfeld, the court system is so convulated that it really accomplishes nothing anymore. It's C4F.

    Nice post, anyway. You pretty much hit it on the head.

    Bah. Humbug, even.

    SB

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  62. This is hilarious! by r_j_prahad · · Score: 3, Funny

    I just found this help-wanted ad on Monster.com. My keyboard is now full of coffee! Find it here.

    Job Description: SCO Unix Contractor
    Qualified candidate will need to recover root passwords and change them, plus store securely for future use if need be.
    Candidate needs to be able to understand file structure & applications running on machine(s) & determine if it is possible for the contractor to support the systems until June of this year.


    Ohhh, my side hurts from laughing so hard! I wonder what the story is behind this one....

  63. Re:Covered by Eric Raymond ++ on Thelinuxshow toni by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Isn't this technical committee made up of Microsoft people on the absurd assumption that they will police themselves and report any problems to the judge?

    Give me a fucking break.

  64. In the back room of SCO... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Doomed.
    We're doomed.
    Doomed.
    Dooooommmmed.
    mumble... mumble...
    Doomed.

  65. First I read it as it was supposed to be. by JollyFinn · · Score: 1
    SCO [BLAH BLAH BLAH] Strategic consultant in death.

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  66. Not all bad by Laconian · · Score: 1

    Oh well, at least they didn't write that atrocity Halloween H2O.

  67. Basic Background on Silicon Stemcell by Snerdley · · Score: 3, Informative
    Try a simple Google for "silicon stemcell" and if you "feel lucky", you'll find an article from 1999:
    Firm seeks to protect ideas
    Basically it says what you'd expect:
    "Our goal is to protect, extend and acquire intellectual property," said Anderer, who's Silicon Stemcell's president and chief executive officer.
    Perhaps more forboding is this quote (again from 1999, this time about a broadband firm):
    "We are very optimistic about our ability to go out and license these technologies in several different ways."
  68. That's an insult to hookers everywhere... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You insensitive clod!

  69. Some better photographs... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    S2 and Darl

  70. Re:"News"forge? How about Conjectureforge. by JohnFluxx · · Score: 1

    No, if you can't trust him, then the statement is unknown whether it is true or not.

  71. Re:Covered by Eric Raymond ++ on Thelinuxshow toni by Short+Circuit · · Score: 1

    So write them back with that information and ask them how it's outside of their jurisdiction.

    Perhaps they have to wait until they hear what the SEC has to say about MS paying off SCO.

  72. Re:"News"forge? How about Conjectureforge. by ediron2 · · Score: 1
    but let's keep it fair.
    Fair? About the company infamous for 'DOS isn't done 'til Lotus won't run?' and 'Embrace and extend'?

    Fair? About a convicted abuser of monopoly powers? One who has shown no contrition nor seems to have learned any lesson!?

    Fair? About the company that coined FUD and made it a household name?

    Fair? About bits of evidence hinting they're partnering with SCO via a very shady multimillion dollar deal with a shell corp?

    Fair? Anywhere involving Darl and SCO?

    (imagine me, laughing until I fall off my chair):

    Bwah-hah-hah! Don't give away all your good jokes. Sell 'em. Comedy writers make some serious cash.

  73. SCOX down by aquabat · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    OT: SCO stock just touched ten dollars even, a few minutes ago - :)))))

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  74. Re:"News"forge? How about Conjectureforge. by BigBadBri · · Score: 1
    Well, the ignorant asshole didn't reply to my email to him, so I guess it's not surprising he's upped and skipped town leaving his phone unplugged.

    The email address, by the way, came from the University of South Carolina Research Foundation, of which he is a director.

    It was such a nice email, too ;)

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    oh brave new world, that has such people in it!
  75. Raymond++ ? by BigBadBri · · Score: 1
    Is that the object oriented, as opposed to the target oriented Raymond?

    Will there be a typesafe (non-firing, perhaps) version called Raymond#?

    Or is he going all retro and considering forming the Raymones?

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    oh brave new world, that has such people in it!
  76. People have picketed SCO by Xenographic · · Score: 1

    People have picketed SCO's offices.

    There's an ancient article on that somewhere on Groklaw.

    However, when they did, some mysterious signs saying something to the effect of "we support communism" appeared along with the protesters' signs.

    The leader of the protest group, who knew everyone there, took pictures of those signs (which were also posted somewhere on Groklaw), and vouched for the fact that NONE of those signs were made by the protesters.

    I leave it to you to conclude just how those signs got there, exactly... I think you know who I think did it. And I no longer write off any underhanded tactics as something they wouldn't use...

  77. Darl's got a gun--- by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And will be using it on Red Faction servers this evening. Darl Mcbride

  78. Re:"News"forge? How about Conjectureforge. by thirdrock · · Score: 1

    Just one example. When the same news sources reported that 5.6% unemployment under Clinton Good, but currently report that 5.6% unemployment under Bush is Bad, they're liars.

    No, that makes them disreputable. The press lies consistently, but demonstrating that requires much you to be extremely specific on what, how and what-kind-of lies they make.

    -lies of ommission - the most common type of lie. Paints a false picture by leaving out certain information that contradicts the 'angle' of the story

    - semantic lies - where the meaning of words are redefined in a 'a word means whatever I say it means' kind of way.

    - adjectorial, adverbial and nominalisation lies - where words like 'good' , 'better' , 'the economy' that have no specific factual meaning that can be disputed, but are emotionally loaded with a specific emotional response, are used to convey opinions, true or false without recourse to debate.

    I could go on, but perhaps you should do some reading to fine-tune your argument.

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  79. Re:IANAL by Zeinfeld · · Score: 1
    and you know, I know you do, that it was the change in fed administration that killed the penalties that MS was going to pay.

    look, even though this is the most inept and corrupt administration since 1876 I don't think the administration change had a major effect. The real win for microsoft was that the Appeals court only threw out half the case, even though admitting that the judge was unacceptably biased.

    There was no way that the DoJ was going to get a breakup through the supreme court with that particular hole in the case. They knew that any decision that came from the lower courts could be challenged by Microsoft with a good chance of success.

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  80. Re:IANAL by shadowbearer · · Score: 1


    I agree with you, but the timing is still suspicious to me. The DoJ was still hanging onto the penalties side until the admin change - back when it happened, I thought the timing was funny, but not tremendously so.

    After observing the Bush administration in action, however, particularly the pandering to corporate interests that goes on, I've changed my mind. It fits in all too well.

    But perhaps I need to tweak my tinfoil hat :)

    What really sucks is that we'll likely never know, unless someone who was in the decision tree at the time writes a best-selling book 10 years from now :)

    Since 1876? Hell, I consider it the most corrupt *ever*; but partially because there is more opportunity for it now than there was during the Grant administration. Compare the potential benefits of corruption then and now....ouch...

    Cheers,
    SB

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