... As any fule know, the initial conditions can have a profound impact on any time-dependent phenomena:-)
I was once solicited, directly from the salesfloor of my then employer ( my customer was a sales manager who I impressed), to work in sales for a major international insurance agency.
Upon the formal application I was turned down for employment (thank God).
Why? Because I'm not a joiner. I didn't belong to fraternity, Elks Lodge, Country Club, The Rotary, what have you.
Thus I didn't have, in their eyes, a ready pool of people the "invite' to purchase insurance. My abilites and professionalism as a salesman were completely irellevant to them.
My argument has nothing to do with the actual costs of service. The ISP knows all of its costs upfront, including the cost of a user that maxes out their bandwidth 24/7 and can set their pricing appropriately.
Nor is your example of the of the phone user valid since it is the ISP that sets the bandwidth caps and can do so whereever they want. On 56k dialup accounts the issue is made that much simpler. I am not using two connections when I am downloading an iso compared to one connection when browsing the web.
I am using more of the "community resources", yes, but I have payed to use that specified amount of resources.
If you do not wish me to be maxing out my bandwidth 24/7 charge by the bit or lower my throughput.
It really is that simple and there is no such thing as "accessive usage." Tell me exactly what I'm buying. Then give it to me.
I used to get first class postage for $.04. My mother only had to spend $.03 to send out my birth announcment cards (does that date me or what?).
I used to get unlimited cable internet service for 30 bucks. Now it's nudging 50. Some have chosen to take door number 2 (Of course both of these cases are government regulated monopolies to one extent or another). Although I pay more for my internet service said service has actually improved both in general quality (it would be hard not to accomplish this with any effort at all frankly. A friend of mine once wrote an essay entitled "We suck faster") and in terms of available bandwidth.
I'll note, however, that this phrase appears in their acceptable use policy:
. ..service may not be used to engage in any conduct that interferes with Road Runner's ability to provide service to others, including the use of excessive bandwidth.
By strict interpretation any use whatsoever could violate stricture number 1, given how cable operates over shared sub nets and "excessive bandwidth" is not defined. Since the ISP throttles bandwidth this should be a nonissue if they were operating properly.
An interesting aside though is that any stricture against running a server no longer appears in the policy and when I last transfered service and I raised the issue with the tech he said "we really don't give damn anymore. We just provide the wire to the house and the bandwidth."
Yes, a class action suit could be used to address the issue, but it isn't the proper action for enforcment. A suit is only proper to recover damages, and as we all know in cases like this the damages to individuals are small and the only ones who profit are the lawyers. In the end the consumer ends up paying the tab with increased costs to cover the loss anyway.
Every state has a consumer fraud division handled through the Attorney General's office. The proper course of action is to file an official grievance with said office, a matter of filling out a form and sending it in (you obtain the form by calling the office and requesting it).
If enough complaints are registered the matter gets looked into, and often taken care of. The Attorney General is a political office by indirection and he doesn't want to lose his/her cushy job anymore than the Governor (who appointed him/her) does.
People who send first class mail from NYC to LA are not "abusing the system."
The system takes such matters into account when it sets the postage price.
The phone company acts in similar ways when it sets its price for unlimited local calling. Some people talk more, some never seem to stop talking.
One can send certain kinds of mail at lower than first class rates if one wishes. Just as one can obtain limited calling at additional fees per call. You may assess your own usage and determine which might be the better deal for you, thus those whose usage is expected to be high naturally pay a premium for the premium service and such service can be expected to attract such users.
The populace understands this system and when they see "unlimited" assume this is the sort of averaged pricing structure they are dealing with, and they have every right to do so.
The ISPs know full well what the public thinks they are getting when they advertise their service as "unlimited," thus, if that is not actually what they intend to deliver they are, in the technical language that applies to such legal matters, "Lying Bastards" and should be treated as such.
My favorite example of this is "To Have and Have Not." Simply stunning film often unjustly derided as a Casablanca knockoff when it's, in fact, superiour ( my opinion, yadda, yadda and that other word that I forget).
Howard Hawks, Ernest Hemingway, William Faulkner.
I helps if the number of breathers is a)small b)stick to their balliwick c) all know how to frickin' breath.
didn't mean to misinterpret your post. . . It's probably more ambiguous then I implied
Another nasty habit of mine. I have a distinct preference for the parable as opposed to the direct statement. I consider it a plus if the parable contains a bit of wit. In this case I chose a parable from stock that was a bit on the colorful side.
Maybe if I had simply posted:
"Hey guys, what are you complaining about. Most of these antivirus people also offer antispam software. Simply buy it and filter the stuff out."
. ..Panasonic make it quite clear how they measure noise.
Zalman, Thermaltake and others neglect to specify this. ..
Exactly.
Fans (that is to say afficionados, not rotary oscillators) of older American cars sometimes like to point out that the older cars produced more hp from the same or lesser displacement than they do today, totally ingoring that the methodology of the measurement is completely different in the two cases.
Specicifically, in the case of older cars the methodology used was that guarunteed to produce the most impressive number to the consumer.
It depends a good deal on where you take the measurement from and there is a good deal latitude in this matter, even at the same distance from that noise source.
For instance, are they mearsuring the noise level with the device sitting on a bench, or in the case?
The in the case scenario isn't lying, per se, but it's certainly deceptive.
I have an interesting kneejerk reaction for an American, I stick up for the French. Perhaps this is influenced by living not too many doors down from the Marquis de Lafayette's local residence during the Revolution combined with childhood heros including Georges Guynemer and Roland Garros; not to mention possible bias from being able to trace my father's family back to Louis X (Ok, such a bad king that encyclopedias go staight from Louis IX to Louis XI) and hence back to Hugh Capet ( a cutthroat, but hey, a successful one).
The French has always had a reputation for being among the bravest of the brave (ok, so sometimes they were bravest when following behind a teenage girl, but we'll overlook that). Nor have they had any traditional reputation as loosers ( and when they did lose you could count on the fact that the winner was going to pay dearly).
Google on Verdun. In WWI Germany decided they were going to win the war by "bleeding France white." And they did. What they didn't count on was that France could bleed white and remain standing.
Verdun did not fall.
What the French have, as a culture, is a sense of the gallant. The problem here is that the ultimate in gallantry is to go down fighting for a noble cause. The role model is Roland, dying while defending the pass (as it is for the Greeks if it comes to that. The battle at Thermopolyae is one of the most remarkable events in military history).
Alain Prost once noted the irony that he was vilified in France while he was winning in a French car, but became a national hero when he started coming in second in an Italian car.
The point being that the French car was superiour. Almost not winning in a superiour car is the inferiour performance from the point of view of the gallant. Almost, but not quite, winning in an inferiour car is glorious. A Pomeranian taking it to a German Shepard, and going down in defeat, but in the process leaving the Shepard so bloodied that it must retire from the field and seek the ICU.
It isn't even fair to say the French like losing. Jacques Anquitil is a French God. He was a winner, but he won with guts and spirit. Raymond Poulidor is also a French God although he was the perenial bridesmaid to a Belgian, but pushed the Belgian all the way, with guts and spirit even though the cause was laregley hopeless.
To the Frenchman it's the spirit that counts more than the end result.
Elan!
And in WWII there were an awful lot of dead Germans as the result of brave Frenchman refusing to give up the fight just because their government did.
Oh heck, that's easy. We just put the French in charge of security, the Germans in charge of entertainment, the Italians in charge of sensitivity training, the Spanish in charge of production and sent the British out to bring back lunch.
Yeah, I know. In fact I was thinking while I was writing it, "Of course men only have two styles of clothing. Blue and grey."
I have the same problem with publish on demand if it comes to that. I love books. Therefore I love bookstores. I don't love some computer that will make me a book.
It will come out somewhere in the middle I suspect. Men actually don't all dress in business suits (which is why it's a suit tailor that's doing this already. It's the only easy application and the price of the garment is high). Women may have a lot of clothes available, but the actuall range of what they buy might be narrower than you think (I've done a fair amount of clothes shopping with/for women. Successfully enough that I've never had to take something back because she couldn't stand it).
You'll have a semiregular store with attractor stock in it, and the "stock" range of clothing in the computer.
Flannel shirts, for instance. Popular with both men and women.
Only they'll actually fit.
The same with bookstores. All the really neat flashy books with pictures of clothes, planes and kitty cats will still be displayed and sold conventionally. Great Expectations will be publish on demand.
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... As any fule know, the initial conditions can have a profound impact on any time-dependent phenomena :-)
I was once solicited, directly from the salesfloor of my then employer ( my customer was a sales manager who I impressed), to work in sales for a major international insurance agency.
Upon the formal application I was turned down for employment (thank God).
Why? Because I'm not a joiner. I didn't belong to fraternity, Elks Lodge, Country Club, The Rotary, what have you.
Thus I didn't have, in their eyes, a ready pool of people the "invite' to purchase insurance. My abilites and professionalism as a salesman were completely irellevant to them.
Does that shed any light on your curiosity?
KFG
My argument has nothing to do with the actual costs of service. The ISP knows all of its costs upfront, including the cost of a user that maxes out their bandwidth 24/7 and can set their pricing appropriately.
Nor is your example of the of the phone user valid since it is the ISP that sets the bandwidth caps and can do so whereever they want. On 56k dialup accounts the issue is made that much simpler. I am not using two connections when I am downloading an iso compared to one connection when browsing the web.
I am using more of the "community resources", yes, but I have payed to use that specified amount of resources.
If you do not wish me to be maxing out my bandwidth 24/7 charge by the bit or lower my throughput.
It really is that simple and there is no such thing as "accessive usage." Tell me exactly what I'm buying. Then give it to me.
KFG
I used to get first class postage for $.04. My mother only had to spend $.03 to send out my birth announcment cards (does that date me or what?).
.service may not be used to engage in any conduct that interferes with Road Runner's ability to provide service to others, including the use of excessive bandwidth.
I used to get unlimited cable internet service for 30 bucks. Now it's nudging 50. Some have chosen to take door number 2 (Of course both of these cases are government regulated monopolies to one extent or another). Although I pay more for my internet service said service has actually improved both in general quality (it would be hard not to accomplish this with any effort at all frankly. A friend of mine once wrote an essay entitled "We suck faster") and in terms of available bandwidth.
I'll note, however, that this phrase appears in their acceptable use policy:
. .
By strict interpretation any use whatsoever could violate stricture number 1, given how cable operates over shared sub nets and "excessive bandwidth" is not defined. Since the ISP throttles bandwidth this should be a nonissue if they were operating properly.
An interesting aside though is that any stricture against running a server no longer appears in the policy and when I last transfered service and I raised the issue with the tech he said "we really don't give damn anymore. We just provide the wire to the house and the bandwidth."
KFG
Yes, a class action suit could be used to address the issue, but it isn't the proper action for enforcment. A suit is only proper to recover damages, and as we all know in cases like this the damages to individuals are small and the only ones who profit are the lawyers. In the end the consumer ends up paying the tab with increased costs to cover the loss anyway.
Every state has a consumer fraud division handled through the Attorney General's office. The proper course of action is to file an official grievance with said office, a matter of filling out a form and sending it in (you obtain the form by calling the office and requesting it).
If enough complaints are registered the matter gets looked into, and often taken care of. The Attorney General is a political office by indirection and he doesn't want to lose his/her cushy job anymore than the Governor (who appointed him/her) does.
KFG
from NYC to LA for $.37.
People who send first class mail from NYC to LA are not "abusing the system."
The system takes such matters into account when it sets the postage price.
The phone company acts in similar ways when it sets its price for unlimited local calling. Some people talk more, some never seem to stop talking.
One can send certain kinds of mail at lower than first class rates if one wishes. Just as one can obtain limited calling at additional fees per call. You may assess your own usage and determine which might be the better deal for you, thus those whose usage is expected to be high naturally pay a premium for the premium service and such service can be expected to attract such users.
The populace understands this system and when they see "unlimited" assume this is the sort of averaged pricing structure they are dealing with, and they have every right to do so.
The ISPs know full well what the public thinks they are getting when they advertise their service as "unlimited," thus, if that is not actually what they intend to deliver they are, in the technical language that applies to such legal matters, "Lying Bastards" and should be treated as such.
KFG
Regulation already exists. It's called "Truth in Advertising." It simply needs to be effectively applied.
KFG
. . .the compressing of a couple dozen elf jobs into Arwen's character. . .
The very process that gives us our King Arthurs and Robin Hoods.
KFG
. . . this is somewhat understandable.
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I say, I say, I say that's a joke son. Don'cha know a joke son.
You'll never catch a moderation like that. I can walk around your post, I can step in it, I can even jump over it, I can. .
KFG
KFG
Have you missed the entire last 30 years?
Do you ignore everything happened before you entered kindergarten?
KFG
My favorite example of this is "To Have and Have Not." Simply stunning film often unjustly derided as a Casablanca knockoff when it's, in fact, superiour ( my opinion, yadda, yadda and that other word that I forget).
Howard Hawks, Ernest Hemingway, William Faulkner.
I helps if the number of breathers is a)small b)stick to their balliwick c) all know how to frickin' breath.
KFG
didn't mean to misinterpret your post. . . It's probably more ambiguous then I implied
Another nasty habit of mine. I have a distinct preference for the parable as opposed to the direct statement. I consider it a plus if the parable contains a bit of wit. In this case I chose a parable from stock that was a bit on the colorful side.
Maybe if I had simply posted:
"Hey guys, what are you complaining about. Most of these antivirus people also offer antispam software. Simply buy it and filter the stuff out."
KFG
. . .Panasonic make it quite clear how they measure noise.
.
Zalman, Thermaltake and others neglect to specify this. .
Exactly.
Fans (that is to say afficionados, not rotary oscillators) of older American cars sometimes like to point out that the older cars produced more hp from the same or lesser displacement than they do today, totally ingoring that the methodology of the measurement is completely different in the two cases.
Specicifically, in the case of older cars the methodology used was that guarunteed to produce the most impressive number to the consumer.
KFG
It depends a good deal on where you take the measurement from and there is a good deal latitude in this matter, even at the same distance from that noise source.
For instance, are they mearsuring the noise level with the device sitting on a bench, or in the case?
The in the case scenario isn't lying, per se, but it's certainly deceptive.
KFG
A non-root account can't read any other users' mailboxes unless a system is set up incorrectly.
Yes. That's what he said.
KFG
I might point out that it isn't necessary at all for Grandpa to have any idea what Grandma is up to for the scenario to hold true.
I might also point out that mob controled neighborhoods are peaceful and law abiding, exceptiong the activities of the mob.
When a store owner pays to have his store not trashed he expects his store not to get trashed.
The mob looks upon anyone trashing stores in "their territory" as challanging their authority and devaluing their "service."
When order (as opposed to law) meets the illegal the issue on either the practical side or the philosophical side is rarely straightforward or simple.
KFG
My Grandma makes pink prophylactics
She pierces each one with a pin
My Grandpa does cut rate abortions
My God how the money rolls in
KFG
I have an interesting kneejerk reaction for an American, I stick up for the French. Perhaps this is influenced by living not too many doors down from the Marquis de Lafayette's local residence during the Revolution combined with childhood heros including Georges Guynemer and Roland Garros; not to mention possible bias from being able to trace my father's family back to Louis X (Ok, such a bad king that encyclopedias go staight from Louis IX to Louis XI) and hence back to Hugh Capet ( a cutthroat, but hey, a successful one).
The French has always had a reputation for being among the bravest of the brave (ok, so sometimes they were bravest when following behind a teenage girl, but we'll overlook that). Nor have they had any traditional reputation as loosers ( and when they did lose you could count on the fact that the winner was going to pay dearly).
Google on Verdun. In WWI Germany decided they were going to win the war by "bleeding France white." And they did. What they didn't count on was that France could bleed white and remain standing.
Verdun did not fall.
What the French have, as a culture, is a sense of the gallant. The problem here is that the ultimate in gallantry is to go down fighting for a noble cause. The role model is Roland, dying while defending the pass (as it is for the Greeks if it comes to that. The battle at Thermopolyae is one of the most remarkable events in military history).
Alain Prost once noted the irony that he was vilified in France while he was winning in a French car, but became a national hero when he started coming in second in an Italian car.
The point being that the French car was superiour. Almost not winning in a superiour car is the inferiour performance from the point of view of the gallant. Almost, but not quite, winning in an inferiour car is glorious. A Pomeranian taking it to a German Shepard, and going down in defeat, but in the process leaving the Shepard so bloodied that it must retire from the field and seek the ICU.
It isn't even fair to say the French like losing. Jacques Anquitil is a French God. He was a winner, but he won with guts and spirit. Raymond Poulidor is also a French God although he was the perenial bridesmaid to a Belgian, but pushed the Belgian all the way, with guts and spirit even though the cause was laregley hopeless.
To the Frenchman it's the spirit that counts more than the end result.
Elan!
And in WWII there were an awful lot of dead Germans as the result of brave Frenchman refusing to give up the fight just because their government did.
KFG
Oh heck, that's easy. We just put the French in charge of security, the Germans in charge of entertainment, the Italians in charge of sensitivity training, the Spanish in charge of production and sent the British out to bring back lunch.
I expect everything's going to be just fine.
KFG
Pardon me sir, but do you have a license for the parent poster?
KFG
I am trying to be funny here, no disrespect
:)
Well, yes, and none taken. But that was my joke.
Another reason aren't lifelike is because they don't make you put them through college, buy them a new car and then take your house away from you.
No, I'm not bitter. What makes you think that?
KFG
You left out a possibility. He's a moron who thinks Applebee's is classy.
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Given the circumstances of his arrest. .
KFG
Yeah. I tried to get that too. My salesperson said, "Ummmmmmmm, what's an IQ?"
KFG
Don't be silly. They never say a word.
KFG
No, it's a sex toy site. The sex toys just happen to look like naked women.
Yes, some might well consider that pornographic. Others might simply consider it a display of wares.
Yeah, it's not safe for work so your warning is valid. No, I'm not just being pedantic. I really thought your post might need a little clarifying.
Yes, I've looked. Big deal.
KFG
Yeah, I know. In fact I was thinking while I was writing it, "Of course men only have two styles of clothing. Blue and grey."
I have the same problem with publish on demand if it comes to that. I love books. Therefore I love bookstores. I don't love some computer that will make me a book.
It will come out somewhere in the middle I suspect. Men actually don't all dress in business suits (which is why it's a suit tailor that's doing this already. It's the only easy application and the price of the garment is high). Women may have a lot of clothes available, but the actuall range of what they buy might be narrower than you think (I've done a fair amount of clothes shopping with/for women. Successfully enough that I've never had to take something back because she couldn't stand it).
You'll have a semiregular store with attractor stock in it, and the "stock" range of clothing in the computer.
Flannel shirts, for instance. Popular with both men and women.
Only they'll actually fit.
The same with bookstores. All the really neat flashy books with pictures of clothes, planes and kitty cats will still be displayed and sold conventionally. Great Expectations will be publish on demand.
KFG