Parent poster's question was more sophisticated than your answer. In fact, his question implies knowledge of your answer.
He asked what importance DNS service has to the Internet, not the WWW.
There are any number of uses for the internet where all parties concerned know all the relevant IP addresses. In these cases hostnames make life easier for humans here and there, but they aren't explicitly necessary.
Nope. Not gonna be like that at all. It's going to be like publish on demand.
Samples of cloth will be available for your examination. Every known dress/blouse/whatever in the world will be in the computer system. Your "avatar" will not be a simple representation but a perfect model of you created by laser input and the garment you select will be cut and assembled in the back to fit you perfectly, not just a generic size.
Brooks Brothers in NYC already does the laser fitting of men's suits. This "prediction" not only isn't far fetched, its early stages are already in commercial use.
Well, here's a well known humorous example of a way it could be done without even abandoning the Latin alphabet, although it would require a certain Latinization of English vowels (which would actually be a bit of alright).
Generally, and falsly, attributed to Mark Twain. The actual source is referenced on the web page.
It's easy to attribute it to Mr. Clemens since he was an advocate of "simplified" (which is actually to say phonetic) spelling, and others, such as Shaw, advocated dealing with the issue of English vowels by simply deleting them from writing in the manner of protosemtic languages and using shorthand writing.
Here's an interesting page that might provoke thought:
I'd have to write at least several pages to answer these issues I'm afraid, thus what follows is inherently lacking.
It is impossible to deal with Roman culture and not take into account Greek culture. The Latin alphabet is a concatenation of the Eutruscan and the Greek. However, some of the Eutruscan letters have have corespondence with the Greek.
Greek was developed from Phonecian starting sometime about 1000 BC. Phoenecian writing itself was in a prototypical form at the time (they hadn't even settled on which direction to write it yet, for instance) and the Greeks were psychologically free to adapt it as they pleased.
However, a point of interest, the Greek vowels corespond to the Semetic, the Latin vowels follow the Greek and the English follows the Latin.
But English has 20 vowels. Not five.
Spanish is a lovely language. Very Latinate, and it's actually difficult to misspell words in Spanish. The sounds simply corespond to the letters. You can make simple mistakes and typos easily enough but you really have to work at it to just plain get it wrong. The same is true of Latin and Greek. There's really no equivilant of spelling "fish" as "ghoti" in Spanish. In those instances where the pronuciation of a letter differs somewhat in a word from the standard alphabetic representation it uses an accent mark to note the correct pronuciation.
English, with its 20 vowel sounds as opposed to the 5 of Hebrew, has completely dropped the use of accent marks, and thus the use of vowels in the written word is often completely arbitrary, picking from perhaps as many as three "close fits." If one has not learned the "correct" vowel to use by rote and falls back on phonetics one is just as likely to pick any one of those three vowel letters as any of the others.
Greek and Latin evolved in a small world. Basically the Mediteranian basin. There was a good deal of trade and contact, but only with a limited number of fairly close neighbors. This resulted in well developed and very closely related languages that could easily share alphabets without any undue twisting of things.
In the case of the German language Luther had the advantage, although there were many distinct dialects of German, in that German was at least German.
English is a language of the globe. It always has been. It's completely polyglot. It's sounds and grammer are hammered together of bits and pieces from simply everywhere. It's Norse, German, French, Latin, Angle, etc. Its evolution follows the evolution of world voyaging and conquest. This makes it a wonderful language for prose.
It makes it unbearable (unbaribal/unbareubil) to spell with the Latin alphabet.
There have been a few phonetic alphabets proposed that would make the written English language nearly as phonetic as the Spanish. They've existed for over 100 years. Nobody cares.
Culture is very powerful.
And so we write our words as if they were Hebrew.
It's also interesting to note that modern English evolved in close relationship with the printing press and the fact that much of our spelling is a matter of convienience to the printer and has nothing to do with linguistics at all is not to be discounted.
Along that note I'll also point out that the Greek and Latin texts that have come down to us are not casual writing. Such as this spelling error laden post is. They are formal writings of professionals, and have had the benefit of careful proof reading and editing. Sometimes over the course of centuries before they became the version we know. Of course there are relatively few errors.
English writing in the time of Chaucer was a casual language, even though only a certain class of the educated would be expeted to read and write in it.
If one wished to write formally and "correctly" one wrote in Latin.
Just remember that it is an individual threshold. One man's -1 Flamebait is another man's +5 Funny.
Along those lines I can't say I derive any great satisfaction when one of my posts just gets modded up to +5 and sits there.
The ones that I take pleasure in are the ones that provoke a "mod war," where the post gets moderated a dozen times or so and span the complete range of adverbs.
Then I know I've written something that with some development and editing would turn into a good piece of writting by my own standards.
A standard which places the humorous agent provocateur, such as Twain and Swift, up at the top of the list. (Thoreau might fit into this catagory as well, but his humor is so incredibly dry and philosophically subtle that it often takes some pains to root it out. The sentence "As the time is short I will leave out all the flattery, and retain all the criticism.", comes to mind).
So, wouldn't that make Robert Morris the younger's UNIX worm the dark side of Closed Source/UNIX users?
The concepts simply have no logical connection. Of course most voting records demonstrate the willingness of the majority to accept such "logic," so Darl's statements might have some effect among those who don't note by his other pronouncements that he's a raving looney.
It all depends on whether the particular mod laughed or not really.
Under the right circumstances slipping on a banana peel is still funny.
As the 2000 year old man once noted:
"Tragedy is when I bang my thumb. Comedy is when you fall down a manhole and die."
It's all in your perspective. IAIYP in the modern way of phrasing things.
When dealing with the sort of humor that is based on language and spelling the appreciation of a certain cleverness is part of the humor response, so if you've seen something over and over again it loses something. On the other hand one can take a completely tired old pun in a new situation, give it a little twist, and it will be funny, at least in part, because the joke was already tired.
In this case the author of the joke didn't just put an "i" in front of everything and say "see, funny, huh?" He constructed a very simple sentence that used the "i" in a grammatically correct way and apropo to the subject.
Bear in mind that when you are reading Greek and Latin you are reading it in a Greek/Latin alphabet.
Bear in mind that when you are reading English you are reading it in a Greek/Latin alphabet.
Since you grew up thinking of the way you read and write as "correct" it doesn't really strike your attention that the fit is rather poor and that there is no proper English alphabet. This makes a difference.
Also bear in mind that the Greek and Latin texts you read have the benefit of fairly stable language development behind them, spanning millenia, whereas English had only existed for a couple of centuries or so by force fitting language, at the point of a sword, into another. This not only screws up the rules but screws up how one thinks about whether their are rules or not.
When this piece was written the Language was still being made up. In fact, Mr. Chaucer helped make it up. What you see is not simply bad and inconsistent spelling but technical experimentation.
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Not trying to take away for linux, but the OSs seem to strive for different things.
In a sense I think it's fair to say that Linux doesn't really strive for anything at all. That leaves you to do most of the striving. Which is good if you want to move in a particular direction or the striving itself is your goal.
FreeBSD does strive for something and if that something matches what you want, well, there ya go.
Ok, but, like, under that it's rock solid. You can't fool me sonny. It's turtles all the way down.
I'm afraid the remote access holes are simply what you get when management comes to development and says, "We think it would be really cool if people could just plug their toasters into the internet and just have them function without any user interaction."
And the next thing you know Asian porn spam is being scorched into your breakfast and then stealing your car.
Die langen Messer der Nacht Die langen Messer der Nacht Immer dem Rauch nach treten sie ein schreien sie lauter sie sind nicht allein Tanzen macht frei jedem das seine bewegliche Ziele schieBt auf die Beine
Pretty stirring stuff if you're a budding night stalker.
I've always prefered Die Gedanken sind Frei (Thoughts are Free) myself.
Die Gedanken sind frei, wer kann sie erraten, Sie fliehen vorbei, wie nachtliche Schatten. Kein Mensch kann sie wissen, kein Jager erschieBen,
I'm sorry, but the floppy disk was invented at IBM and has been used to store copies of AIX. Clearly that means, under the terms of IBM's contract with SCO, that SCO is the intellectual property rights owner of the floppy disk.
If you use a floppy disk to load Linux, the stolen property of SCO, your floppy disk license will be revoked and Darl McBride will, ummmmmm, issue a press release daring you to cross this line.
Don't get mad at Microsoft; get mad at eWeek for placing the the silly ad where they placed it.
Yeah, I can do that, but then that's their business so they're not likely to give it up. Microsoft payed them to put the ad there.
This sort of placement is so common these days I barely even notice it. It's the ironic pairings that catch my attention these days -- Like when a broadcast of Brave New World was sponsored by Zoloft with the their little bouncing sad face/happy face cartoon.
"Do you feel depressed? This might be a serious medical condition. Get HAPPY!"
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The printers didn't like ye olde thorn.
KFG
Parent poster's question was more sophisticated than your answer. In fact, his question implies knowledge of your answer.
He asked what importance DNS service has to the Internet, not the WWW.
There are any number of uses for the internet where all parties concerned know all the relevant IP addresses. In these cases hostnames make life easier for humans here and there, but they aren't explicitly necessary.
KFG
I am part K-raut you insensitive K-lod!
Well Jeez. Don't go getting all sauer over it.
KFG
Nope. Not gonna be like that at all. It's going to be like publish on demand.
Samples of cloth will be available for your examination. Every known dress/blouse/whatever in the world will be in the computer system. Your "avatar" will not be a simple representation but a perfect model of you created by laser input and the garment you select will be cut and assembled in the back to fit you perfectly, not just a generic size.
Brooks Brothers in NYC already does the laser fitting of men's suits. This "prediction" not only isn't far fetched, its early stages are already in commercial use.
KFG
Well, here's a well known humorous example of a way it could be done without even abandoning the Latin alphabet, although it would require a certain Latinization of English vowels (which would actually be a bit of alright).
A Plan for the Simplification of English Spelling
Generally, and falsly, attributed to Mark Twain. The actual source is referenced on the web page.
It's easy to attribute it to Mr. Clemens since he was an advocate of "simplified" (which is actually to say phonetic) spelling, and others, such as Shaw, advocated dealing with the issue of English vowels by simply deleting them from writing in the manner of protosemtic languages and using shorthand writing.
Here's an interesting page that might provoke thought:
Mark Twain's Simplified Spelling
KFG
I did. He just started rambling on about "singing himself" or some such nonsense, so I told him he could go bugger himself for all I cared and left.
KFG
I'd have to write at least several pages to answer these issues I'm afraid, thus what follows is inherently lacking.
It is impossible to deal with Roman culture and not take into account Greek culture. The Latin alphabet is a concatenation of the Eutruscan and the Greek. However, some of the Eutruscan letters have have corespondence with the Greek.
Greek was developed from Phonecian starting sometime about 1000 BC. Phoenecian writing itself was in a prototypical form at the time (they hadn't even settled on which direction to write it yet, for instance) and the Greeks were psychologically free to adapt it as they pleased.
However, a point of interest, the Greek vowels corespond to the Semetic, the Latin vowels follow the Greek and the English follows the Latin.
But English has 20 vowels. Not five.
Spanish is a lovely language. Very Latinate, and it's actually difficult to misspell words in Spanish. The sounds simply corespond to the letters. You can make simple mistakes and typos easily enough but you really have to work at it to just plain get it wrong. The same is true of Latin and Greek. There's really no equivilant of spelling "fish" as "ghoti" in Spanish. In those instances where the pronuciation of a letter differs somewhat in a word from the standard alphabetic representation it uses an accent mark to note the correct pronuciation.
English, with its 20 vowel sounds as opposed to the 5 of Hebrew, has completely dropped the use of accent marks, and thus the use of vowels in the written word is often completely arbitrary, picking from perhaps as many as three "close fits." If one has not learned the "correct" vowel to use by rote and falls back on phonetics one is just as likely to pick any one of those three vowel letters as any of the others.
Greek and Latin evolved in a small world. Basically the Mediteranian basin. There was a good deal of trade and contact, but only with a limited number of fairly close neighbors. This resulted in well developed and very closely related languages that could easily share alphabets without any undue twisting of things.
In the case of the German language Luther had the advantage, although there were many distinct dialects of German, in that German was at least German.
English is a language of the globe. It always has been. It's completely polyglot. It's sounds and grammer are hammered together of bits and pieces from simply everywhere. It's Norse, German, French, Latin, Angle, etc. Its evolution follows the evolution of world voyaging and conquest. This makes it a wonderful language for prose.
It makes it unbearable (unbaribal/unbareubil) to spell with the Latin alphabet.
There have been a few phonetic alphabets proposed that would make the written English language nearly as phonetic as the Spanish. They've existed for over 100 years. Nobody cares.
Culture is very powerful.
And so we write our words as if they were Hebrew.
It's also interesting to note that modern English evolved in close relationship with the printing press and the fact that much of our spelling is a matter of convienience to the printer and has nothing to do with linguistics at all is not to be discounted.
Along that note I'll also point out that the Greek and Latin texts that have come down to us are not casual writing. Such as this spelling error laden post is. They are formal writings of professionals, and have had the benefit of careful proof reading and editing. Sometimes over the course of centuries before they became the version we know. Of course there are relatively few errors.
English writing in the time of Chaucer was a casual language, even though only a certain class of the educated would be expeted to read and write in it.
If one wished to write formally and "correctly" one wrote in Latin.
KFG
Just remember that it is an individual threshold.
One man's -1 Flamebait is another man's +5 Funny.
Along those lines I can't say I derive any great satisfaction when one of my posts just gets modded up to +5 and sits there.
The ones that I take pleasure in are the ones that provoke a "mod war," where the post gets moderated a dozen times or so and span the complete range of adverbs.
Then I know I've written something that with some development and editing would turn into a good piece of writting by my own standards.
A standard which places the humorous agent provocateur, such as Twain and Swift, up at the top of the list. (Thoreau might fit into this catagory as well, but his humor is so incredibly dry and philosophically subtle that it often takes some pains to root it out. The sentence "As the time is short I will leave out all the flattery, and retain all the criticism.", comes to mind).
KFG
So, wouldn't that make Robert Morris the younger's UNIX worm the dark side of Closed Source/UNIX users?
The concepts simply have no logical connection. Of course most voting records demonstrate the willingness of the majority to accept such "logic," so Darl's statements might have some effect among those who don't note by his other pronouncements that he's a raving looney.
KFG
Anyone care to clarify what a wet slap is?
Just hazzarding a guess here really, but is it, maybe, a slap, that's wet?
KFG
Anyplace people are writing English is grammer nazi paradise. That's one of the reasons there are so many of them.
KFG
PCs should not be used for sledgehammer testing.
Indeed. That's why God invented the IBM 360.
KFG
This joke is so not funny anymore.
It all depends on whether the particular mod laughed or not really.
Under the right circumstances slipping on a banana peel is still funny.
As the 2000 year old man once noted:
"Tragedy is when I bang my thumb. Comedy is when you fall down a manhole and die."
It's all in your perspective. IAIYP in the modern way of phrasing things.
When dealing with the sort of humor that is based on language and spelling the appreciation of a certain cleverness is part of the humor response, so if you've seen something over and over again it loses something. On the other hand one can take a completely tired old pun in a new situation, give it a little twist, and it will be funny, at least in part, because the joke was already tired.
In this case the author of the joke didn't just put an "i" in front of everything and say "see, funny, huh?" He constructed a very simple sentence that used the "i" in a grammatically correct way and apropo to the subject.
I got a mild giggle out of it.
SCO sue me.
KFG
Bear in mind that when you are reading Greek and Latin you are reading it in a Greek/Latin alphabet.
Bear in mind that when you are reading English you are reading it in a Greek/Latin alphabet.
Since you grew up thinking of the way you read and write as "correct" it doesn't really strike your attention that the fit is rather poor and that there is no proper English alphabet. This makes a difference.
Also bear in mind that the Greek and Latin texts you read have the benefit of fairly stable language development behind them, spanning millenia, whereas English had only existed for a couple of centuries or so by force fitting language, at the point of a sword, into another. This not only screws up the rules but screws up how one thinks about whether their are rules or not.
When this piece was written the Language was still being made up. In fact, Mr. Chaucer helped make it up. What you see is not simply bad and inconsistent spelling but technical experimentation.
Hacking.
KFG
Well, at the very least that would make it quick, cheap and easy to get to the TT.
KFG
I wonder how Huxley would feel?
Told ya so?
KFG
Not trying to take away for linux, but the OSs seem to strive for different things.
In a sense I think it's fair to say that Linux doesn't really strive for anything at all. That leaves you to do most of the striving. Which is good if you want to move in a particular direction or the striving itself is your goal.
FreeBSD does strive for something and if that something matches what you want, well, there ya go.
KFG
Ok, but, like, under that it's rock solid. You can't fool me sonny. It's turtles all the way down.
I'm afraid the remote access holes are simply what you get when management comes to development and says, "We think it would be really cool if people could just plug their toasters into the internet and just have them function without any user interaction."
And the next thing you know Asian porn spam is being scorched into your breakfast and then stealing your car.
KFG
It's a reference to a song:
Die langen Messer der Nacht
Die langen Messer der Nacht
Immer dem Rauch nach
treten sie ein
schreien sie lauter
sie sind nicht allein
Tanzen macht frei
jedem das seine
bewegliche Ziele
schieBt auf die Beine
Pretty stirring stuff if you're a budding night stalker.
I've always prefered Die Gedanken sind Frei (Thoughts are Free) myself.
Die Gedanken sind frei, wer kann sie erraten,
Sie fliehen vorbei, wie nachtliche Schatten.
Kein Mensch kann sie wissen, kein Jager erschieBen,
Anyway, here's a langen Messer:
The long knife
KFG
Badgers? Badgers? We don't need no steenking badgers!
KFG
. . . they just recognize that any equally useful alternative would be just another flavor of the same juice.
Bingo! He's wrung the bell. Give the man a prize.
KFG
Ah, well, thanks for clarifying that for me. I haven't used a recent laptop. This implies soft switching, which has certain implications.
I'll have to look into it.
KFG
To be quickly followed by the Night of the Long Bulk Erasers.
KFG
I'm sorry, but the floppy disk was invented at IBM and has been used to store copies of AIX. Clearly that means, under the terms of IBM's contract with SCO, that SCO is the intellectual property rights owner of the floppy disk.
If you use a floppy disk to load Linux, the stolen property of SCO, your floppy disk license will be revoked and Darl McBride will, ummmmmm, issue a press release daring you to cross this line.
KFG
Don't get mad at Microsoft; get mad at eWeek for placing the the silly ad where they placed it.
Yeah, I can do that, but then that's their business so they're not likely to give it up. Microsoft payed them to put the ad there.
This sort of placement is so common these days I barely even notice it. It's the ironic pairings that catch my attention these days -- Like when a broadcast of Brave New World was sponsored by Zoloft with the their little bouncing sad face/happy face cartoon.
"Do you feel depressed? This might be a serious medical condition. Get HAPPY!"
Ok, back to the program. Cue the Soma riot.
KFG