No prob, I was there tuesday and thursday. for some panels I was on/moderating as part of the Linux for Suits thing. I'm not sure who was in the booth that morning, but I was mainly flying into la, doing my thing, and flying back to San Jose. (both days).
So, there you go. I'm trying not to get myopic about how things are percieved in the outside world. It's easy within any group of any kind to lose objectivity, if you do, it's the end. But what's cool about Linux and such is that, unlike most companies we have people who are more than willing to call us on crap all the time, all we have to do is pay attention. And call me chirs, I'm only 28 for gods sake.
No, you're absolutely right. If Linux companys want the support of the community they can't do a poor job.
And I assure you that someone is being called on what happened at InternetWorld. It was poor showing for us. I could give you reasons and such, but I'm not going to talk about internal things here.
That said, obviously I can't ocmmment on the stock stuff, just to say I don't think that a valid effort has been done on the part of wall street to understand linux really, and for that matter linux companies should be doing a -much- better job of educating our finance folks in New York and elsewheree on why it's a better choice and is a good buy on the market.
I've said this before, although not here, if Linux companies want to succeed they have to be realy really really good at what they do. VA , for the most part, is really good at what we do, but we make mistakes and right now, we've not made a huge amount of them, but we are addressing it, I assure you.
Chris DiBona VA Linux Systems chris@valinux.com -- Grant Chair, Linux Int. Pres, SVLUG
Actually, our IPO was not open to the world, we were unable to get into a few countries dues to the flavor of thir securities law. I have to say that during our IPO, the international aspect made things 4x as hard to do in the time allotted.
That said, it was lot of fun to administer it, but I've never been as stressed in my life.
Chris DiBona VA Linux Systems -- Grant Chair, Linux Int. Pres, SVLUG
Thats interestng, I did overlook you on the first email that went out, but when I found out you were not on the original list, I added you and emailed you. I don't see how that's so bad. The original list was taken from contributor lists from programs, not sites. This was a mistake on my part which I tried to correct as I was working on the thing.
Anyhow, I know you don't hate me, but I did try to include you, even if it was later, that's why I felt it was important to respond.
That's bunk, man, I added you to the IPO myself. I also emailed you personally to ask you if you got it. After that I just figured you were'nt interested. I can forward you the emails if you like.
Dude, slashdot was posting these up well before they were even owned by andover. I mean, crap, these tiles are awesome. You can feel free to disagree with me, but Bowie is really good at this stuff.
Chris DiBona VA Linux Systems
-- Grant Chair, Linux Int. Pres, SVLUG
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No, don't worry about it, it's a legit thing to worry about, we do here, I tell you.
Chris DiBona -- Grant Chair, Linux Int. Pres, SVLUG
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What are you talking about? I'm just posting a file that cleans up web pages. nothing wrong with that, and it's on my personal site, not a VA site.
Here's another cool bit, you can post the code and say it's for cascading style sheets, but actually have the download link download the Real DeCSS, say off of the openDVD.org site:-)
Lets make thier jobs -hard-.
Chris DiBona VA Linux Systems
-- Grant Chair, Linux Int. Pres, SVLUG
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Hi all,
By mirroring this and putting up somewhere visible, you will be helping out big time. I don't know if this is being said, but this will both cost time, money and lead to frustration for the MPAA/DVD CCA lawyers, which is a good thing:-)
Again, a copy is Here. Mirror early! Mirror Often! Post your link here and muddy up their searches!
Chris DiBona VA Linux Systems
-- Grant Chair, Linux Int. Pres, SVLUG
I've mirrored it, as have many others...
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My Bad, Thanks for pointing that out. Well, perhaps that doesn't invalidate what I said though, maybe women are just jumping ship to industry faster:-)
Actually, a better statistic is whether Women CS majors are declining at the same rates as Men. I mean, most of the schools I talk to are losing attendees to the industry faster than they can enroll.
This is a bigger problem, for the schools anyhow, than only one group reducing. If , however, the attendance of women is becoming smaller at a different proportion than Men or other groups, then there is a problem.
Chris DiBona -- Grant Chair, Linux Int. Pres, SVLUG
This is one of the great joys of being on the webmaster alias is I get these things fast. I'd usually catch them here on slashdot, but I've been in boston all last week and haven't had a lot of time to read/. obsessively.
That said, the whole "I am just an end-user with no public Linux Credentials" thing is just silly, why shoudl a company of any size ignore anyone? That's not just bad business, it's stupid.
Chris DiBona -- Grant Chair, Linux Int. Pres, SVLUG
Just so you know, this post is entirely made up and not from VA in any way. In any sort of public forum there are always those that will abuse it, as we have all seen fairly often here.
So there you go. While this is a creative post, it's not for real. Specifically stating it for those who need it, there is no sweepstakes that VA is doing. We will be doing a theme contest soon enough via themes.org, but other than that there is nothing going on.
If you have any questions, please feel free to email me at chris@valinux.com.
Chris DiBona Linux Community Evangelist, VA Linux Systems
From what I understand Andover was doing the selling of ads and slashdot was putting them up. But really, what's the difference. From what I understand one of the benefits of the andover purchase was that Rob and Jeff could go back to doing their thing without worrying about the money aspect, but I'm not sure about that.
As far as clicking through for the good of the supporters, I think that you should maybe redirect your good natured visiting to the community projects we'll put into rotation.
Chris DiBona -- Grant Chair, Linux Int. Pres, SVLUG
Actually, the Judge in Santa Clara voided the claim on the linker defendants in the case, so in fact unless things have changed we are not named.
That said, VA has about 3 people spending some amount of time on the case and we are trying to decide exactly how much we want to dedicate to the cause and such.
As far as a counter suit goes, that's more a question for the EEF in my mind, as they are the central organizing body in this case .
Chris DiBona -- Grant Chair, Linux Int. Pres, SVLUG
Of course we will, we'll accept advertisers who are competitors so long as they pay! I mean, the Linux marketplace is so much bigger than just VA, after all.
It would be very un-subtle to do otherwise and would definately cause more problems then provide benefits.
Chris DiBona VA Linux Systems -- Grant Chair, Linux Int. Pres, SVLUG
That's fair, I'm sorry things got too weird between us (va and you). As an aside, I also grabbed really lame names before like sourceanvil and such that were too lame to use.
Anyhow, in the future if there is anything VA or I can do, let me know.
We sell systems based on Open Source software and provide significant amounts of consulting services to companies building major sites on the Internet like eToys, Akamai, DoubleClick, and Starmedia
It was badly formed. Starmedia doesn't buy consulting services from us, but they are a big customer of ours. I can think of a bunch of different ways to say it appropriately, but it was a simple mistake, sorry.
Chris DiBona -- Grant Chair, Linux Int. Pres, SVLUG
Bowie, I'm sure you came up with Sourceforge and I'm sure you talked with trae, but as the guys who was in charge of hosting over here and the guy who registered the names on internic (well before anyone else did, I might add) I take issue with your complaining about it. I had no idea that had the name in your head to use, I thought it up and I registered it, and then we used it, at first for a machine we were bringing online to butress a failing machine and afterwords to launch sourceforge.net
I know you had something going on with Trae, and I know you guys don't get along because of it, but what I don't understand is why you have such a huge problem with both us and freshmeat offering hosting services. This is not brain surgery to come up with this stuff, it's obvious that it is a needed service and VA has been hosting projects and groups since well before my time here, and at least streching back to 1996.
As far as System 12 goes, If you want to go forward with it, I'll give you some hardware to set it up, all I heard about was that system 12 was going to be a GTK widget repository and you'd do some hosting, and I was looking forward to that. Why do you think that if sourceforge and Server 51 exists that you can't be there too? If anything it'd be good for them to have the competition.
Chris DiBona -- Grant Chair, Linux Int. Pres, SVLUG
Slashdot Mirror
Chris DiBona
VA Linux Systems
--
Grant Chair, Linux Int.
Pres, SVLUG
So, there you go. I'm trying not to get myopic about how things are percieved in the outside world. It's easy within any group of any kind to lose objectivity, if you do, it's the end. But what's cool about Linux and such is that, unlike most companies we have people who are more than willing to call us on crap all the time, all we have to do is pay attention. And call me chirs, I'm only 28 for gods sake.
Chris
--
Grant Chair, Linux Int.
Pres, SVLUG
And I assure you that someone is being called on what happened at InternetWorld. It was poor showing for us. I could give you reasons and such, but I'm not going to talk about internal things here.
That said, obviously I can't ocmmment on the stock stuff, just to say I don't think that a valid effort has been done on the part of wall street to understand linux really, and for that matter linux companies should be doing a -much- better job of educating our finance folks in New York and elsewheree on why it's a better choice and is a good buy on the market.
I've said this before, although not here, if Linux companies want to succeed they have to be realy really really good at what they do. VA , for the most part, is really good at what we do, but we make mistakes and right now, we've not made a huge amount of them, but we are addressing it, I assure you.
Chris DiBona
VA Linux Systems
chris@valinux.com
--
Grant Chair, Linux Int.
Pres, SVLUG
Chris
--
Grant Chair, Linux Int.
Pres, SVLUG
That said, it was lot of fun to administer it, but I've never been as stressed in my life.
Chris DiBona
VA Linux Systems
--
Grant Chair, Linux Int.
Pres, SVLUG
Anyhow, I know you don't hate me, but I did try to include you, even if it was later, that's why I felt it was important to respond.
Chris
--
Grant Chair, Linux Int.
Pres, SVLUG
Chris DiBona
vA Linux Systems
--
Grant Chair, Linux Int.
Pres, SVLUG
Chris DiBona
VA Linux Systems
--
Grant Chair, Linux Int.
Pres, SVLUG
Chris DiBona
--
Grant Chair, Linux Int.
Pres, SVLUG
Chris
--
Grant Chair, Linux Int.
Pres, SVLUG
Lets make thier jobs -hard-.
Chris DiBona
VA Linux Systems
--
Grant Chair, Linux Int.
Pres, SVLUG
By mirroring this and putting up somewhere visible, you will be helping out big time. I don't know if this is being said, but this will both cost time, money and lead to frustration for the MPAA/DVD CCA lawyers, which is a good thing :-)
Again, a copy is Here. Mirror early! Mirror Often! Post your link here and muddy up their searches!
Chris DiBona
VA Linux Systems
--
Grant Chair, Linux Int.
Pres, SVLUG
Chris DiBona
VA Linux Systems
--
Grant Chair, Linux Int.
Pres, SVLUG
Chris DiBona
VA Linux Systems
--
Grant Chair, Linux Int.
Pres, SVLUG
Chris
--
Grant Chair, Linux Int.
Pres, SVLUG
This is a bigger problem, for the schools anyhow, than only one group reducing. If , however, the attendance of women is becoming smaller at a different proportion than Men or other groups, then there is a problem.
Chris DiBona
--
Grant Chair, Linux Int.
Pres, SVLUG
That said, the whole "I am just an end-user with no public Linux Credentials" thing is just silly, why shoudl a company of any size ignore anyone? That's not just bad business, it's stupid.
Chris DiBona
--
Grant Chair, Linux Int.
Pres, SVLUG
Just so you know, this post is entirely made up and not from VA in any way. In any sort of public forum there are always those that will abuse it, as we have all seen fairly often here.
So there you go. While this is a creative post, it's not for real. Specifically stating it for those who need it, there is no sweepstakes that VA is doing. We will be doing a theme contest soon enough via themes.org, but other than that there is nothing going on.
If you have any questions, please feel free to email me at chris@valinux.com.
Chris DiBona
Linux Community Evangelist, VA Linux Systems
--
Grant Chair, Linux Int.
Pres, SVLUG
As far as clicking through for the good of the supporters, I think that you should maybe redirect your good natured visiting to the community projects we'll put into rotation.
Chris DiBona
--
Grant Chair, Linux Int.
Pres, SVLUG
That said, VA has about 3 people spending some amount of time on the case and we are trying to decide exactly how much we want to dedicate to the cause and such.
As far as a counter suit goes, that's more a question for the EEF in my mind, as they are the central organizing body in this case .
Chris DiBona
--
Grant Chair, Linux Int.
Pres, SVLUG
It would be very un-subtle to do otherwise and would definately cause more problems then provide benefits.
Chris DiBona VA Linux Systems
--
Grant Chair, Linux Int.
Pres, SVLUG
Chris DiBona
VA Linux Systems
--
Grant Chair, Linux Int.
Pres, SVLUG
Anyhow, in the future if there is anything VA or I can do, let me know.
Chris DiBona
--
Grant Chair, Linux Int.
Pres, SVLUG
We sell systems based on Open Source software and provide significant amounts of consulting services to companies building major sites on the Internet like eToys, Akamai, DoubleClick, and Starmedia
It was badly formed. Starmedia doesn't buy consulting services from us, but they are a big customer of ours. I can think of a bunch of different ways to say it appropriately, but it was a simple mistake, sorry.
Chris DiBona
--
Grant Chair, Linux Int.
Pres, SVLUG
Bowie, I'm sure you came up with Sourceforge and I'm sure you talked with trae, but as the guys who was in charge of hosting over here and the guy who registered the names on internic (well before anyone else did, I might add) I take issue with your complaining about it. I had no idea that had the name in your head to use, I thought it up and I registered it, and then we used it, at first for a machine we were bringing online to butress a failing machine and afterwords to launch sourceforge.net
I know you had something going on with Trae, and I know you guys don't get along because of it, but what I don't understand is why you have such a huge problem with both us and freshmeat offering hosting services. This is not brain surgery to come up with this stuff, it's obvious that it is a needed service and VA has been hosting projects and groups since well before my time here, and at least streching back to 1996.
As far as System 12 goes, If you want to go forward with it, I'll give you some hardware to set it up, all I heard about was that system 12 was going to be a GTK widget repository and you'd do some hosting, and I was looking forward to that. Why do you think that if sourceforge and Server 51 exists that you can't be there too? If anything it'd be good for them to have the competition.
Chris DiBona
--
Grant Chair, Linux Int.
Pres, SVLUG