Whether mandatory source code release is a good thing or not was not discussed at all. Instead, we get this totally out of topic attack. Way out of topic. So out of topic one wonders where the hell did that come from.
This dude need to stand under a cold shower for a very long time. Then followed by lessons in logical thinking.
Context: The U.S. Attorney came up with a spin that is making Dmitry look like a guilty person that is being let go in exchange of incriminating evidence against Elcomsoft.
It is true that DOJ never uses the term Plea Agreement--that would be outright lie, and not a "mistake" like the "former employee" incident. What they did was to make it _sounds_ like ("promotes the notion") a plea agreement. And I totally agree with Burton on that one. What Joe Burton said was to counter that spin: that there was _no_ plea agreement, that it only sounded like a plea agreement. I don't see it as a spin, it was rather to counter what people (very likely) might conclude in a careless reading of the US Attorney press release.
If you consider the counter as a spin, well, pretty much everything is a spin, maybe except for math.
As for the "mistake" of "former employee", if the US Attorney can misread "continuing through July 15, [he] was employed by . . . Elcomsoft" as Dimtry is no longer an employee, well, the lawyer that wrote that press release must not be paying attention. Just imagine, a US Attorney lawyer persecuting such a high profile case, and don't even know if Dimitry still works for Elcomsoft. They must be either stupid, careless, or purposefully misleading.
Also, Dimitry's statement of "not cooperating with the government" should be taken in two context:
To counter the misconception that the implication of "cooperation" means to say things in favor of US Attorney that will make Elcomsoft look bad. I.e., to spin against Elcomsoft.
The very next line he says that he will only tell the truth, and I would gather that that's is what he meant by "cooperating" with the US govt., and he did sign the agreement saying that he _will_ cooperate with the government.
From my reading of the various press releases, and the history of the case as recorded in places like slashdot (the paragon of unerring reporting:-), the aggression and the spin is being done by Adobe/govt. The defendents has been behaving in a very honorable manner: no ratting, no firing, no disavowal. If the press releases from the defendents are considered as spin, then there is not much under the sun that cannot be classified as spin.
Well, the guv'mint did say that Dmitry was a former employee of Elcomsoft, when Dmitry has been and still is employee by Elcomsoft. So they did lie in that aspect.
However, the more important damage is done by spin doctoring. This is to create a "negative" image of Elcomsoft, by insinuating (inaccurately) that Dmitry has distanced himself from Elcomsoft and "cooperating" with the guv'mint.
The rest of guv'mint press release is pretty much a spin, really saying nothing. Dmitry has always cooperated with the guv'mint, just by telling the truth. E.g., "Acknowledge his conduct in the offense". That's a spin. If a guy is apprehended for a crime. He is _not_ a criminal until proven to be so. Dmitry has _not_ been proven guilty in court. In fact, for this case, even the "offense" (crime) has not been proven in court. Nothing has been proven in court. In fact, the guv'mint dropped the case against Dmitry. Now, what does that say about the guv'mint's case? Perhas it's bunk?
Dood, you got to recognize spin when you see one. It is really easy. Spin is everywhere. No, it is not conspiracy, spin is what people do when they want to protect themelves, gain an advantage, etc.
Let's say you charge money for it, say people buy it, say you have many users. In general, you will _still_ not have enough time and resources to do everything that all your users want: immediate bug fix, immediate feature additions, complete support.
Could you do a better job if you charge money? Maybe. Maybe not. Say you want to start a company to do a word processor and charge for it. How long do you think you'll be around? Do you think your customers won't bitch and moan and complain?
Don't believe me? Go work for a few software companies.
Maybe the Abiword team need to restructure a little. Maybe they need to shield themselves from users more. Maybe they need more coders. Maybe they lack a project-manager like person. Maybe they are (forgive me:-) technically not good enough, like many software teams that work on $$$products. Maybe the users is more like the I'll-buy-it-if-it-has-this-feature type, and since Abiword is free, they try it out and ask for the feature which otherwise they would not ask for in a $$$product because they would not have bought it in the first place and would feel they have no right to ask for features and thus make resulting in more features requests to a free product like Abiword. Or maybe they just need to charge money to fund the development.
Who knows?
Nice condescending rant:
THE major problem with Open Source.
sorta work on it.
can't compete [with what?]
linux kids
_must_ give away the product (try "would like to")
Wrong in many places:
Can't make money with it.
Can't commit yourself to it full time.
[Not] a real programming team.
[Is not] capitalism (perhaps your idea of capitalism is pretty narrow).
$40k/yr == nice word processors (implying that the product is bug free, featureful, etc., and implying $40k/yr is satisfactory)
I used to buy a lot of stuff from mwave, until one day I got a busted CPU. A busted CPU was no big deal, what was not fine was that after I had returned it with an RMA, they did not promptly send a replacement. In fact, it took them two weeks to send a replacement, after many emails and phone calls. Every time it was a different story (mostly BS), like how they had not received the busted CPU yet (they had), that they'd send someone to check at the receiving (I have been to their physical site, and the receiving is probably about 20 meters from anywhere else), blah blah.
Georgia... Isn't that the state that was going to ding that guy half a billion bucks and throw his ass in jail for 15 years, just for running some distributed key searching programs?
Lovely place. Avoid.
wtf? Its nice to see that the world will laugh when a man unknown for anything makes trite unthinking statements? Its not a black and white issue. All budgewood is doing is pumping this anti-linus bullshit. Listen, think for yourself... don't dismiss listen or anyone before you take a serious look for yourself. budgewood has failed to distinguish himself.
For those who justify continuation of copyrights after the decease of the author by saying that it benefits the dependents (wife, children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren, pets) of the authors, why is not the labor law rewritten to say that after Joe Laborer is dead, the employer keeps paying the salary for the next 70 years? After all, even Joe Laborer has wife and children!
I am sure you can find a few cases where a child is saved because of the absurd copyright rule, but if you try hard enough, you can justify almost anything. Besides, how can you prove that that particular child would not have been saved otherwise?
e.
The quotes you pulled from Xenomech does not sound stupid/silly/bad at all, despite your best effort in trying to make it so.
Yes, someone can be an idiot and get to that level, if enough of the population are idiots and vote along party lines, or think that Gore is too "robotic" and W is more "human", or think that voting republicans will benefit them more. Sometimes people vote out of fear, fear that the democrats will win.
I agree with Xenomech--W is a retard. And a cold-hearted liar to boot--check out W's electric chair record in TX, where everyone toasted is guilty beyond any reasonable doubt.
Anyway, this is getting out of topic...
Cheers,
e.
This post looks legit to me despite the AC status. I.e., you can believe it.
Cheers,
Ed.
(Only people from AT&T Labs-Research write "AT&T Labs-Research":-)
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How the hell did this guy get moderated to +5?
Whether mandatory source code release is a good thing or not was not discussed at all. Instead, we get this totally out of topic attack. Way out of topic. So out of topic one wonders where the hell did that come from.
This dude need to stand under a cold shower for a very long time. Then followed by lessons in logical thinking.
Context: The U.S. Attorney came up with a spin that is making Dmitry look like a guilty person that is being let go in exchange of incriminating evidence against Elcomsoft.
It is true that DOJ never uses the term Plea Agreement--that would be outright lie, and not a "mistake" like the "former employee" incident. What they did was to make it _sounds_ like ("promotes the notion") a plea agreement. And I totally agree with Burton on that one. What Joe Burton said was to counter that spin: that there was _no_ plea agreement, that it only sounded like a plea agreement. I don't see it as a spin, it was rather to counter what people (very likely) might conclude in a careless reading of the US Attorney press release.
If you consider the counter as a spin, well, pretty much everything is a spin, maybe except for math.
As for the "mistake" of "former employee", if the US Attorney can misread "continuing through July 15, [he] was employed by . . . Elcomsoft" as Dimtry is no longer an employee, well, the lawyer that wrote that press release must not be paying attention. Just imagine, a US Attorney lawyer persecuting such a high profile case, and don't even know if Dimitry still works for Elcomsoft. They must be either stupid, careless, or purposefully misleading.
Also, Dimitry's statement of "not cooperating with the government" should be taken in two context:
From my reading of the various press releases, and the history of the case as recorded in places like slashdot (the paragon of unerring reporting :-), the aggression and the spin is being done by Adobe/govt. The defendents has been behaving in a very honorable manner: no ratting, no firing, no disavowal. If the press releases from the defendents are considered as spin, then there is not much under the sun that cannot be classified as spin.
Cheers,
e.
Well, the guv'mint did say that Dmitry was a former employee of Elcomsoft, when Dmitry has been and still is employee by Elcomsoft. So they did lie in that aspect.
However, the more important damage is done by spin doctoring. This is to create a "negative" image of Elcomsoft, by insinuating (inaccurately) that Dmitry has distanced himself from Elcomsoft and "cooperating" with the guv'mint.
The rest of guv'mint press release is pretty much a spin, really saying nothing. Dmitry has always cooperated with the guv'mint, just by telling the truth. E.g., "Acknowledge his conduct in the offense". That's a spin. If a guy is apprehended for a crime. He is _not_ a criminal until proven to be so. Dmitry has _not_ been proven guilty in court. In fact, for this case, even the "offense" (crime) has not been proven in court. Nothing has been proven in court. In fact, the guv'mint dropped the case against Dmitry. Now, what does that say about the guv'mint's case? Perhas it's bunk?
Dood, you got to recognize spin when you see one. It is really easy. Spin is everywhere. No, it is not conspiracy, spin is what people do when they want to protect themelves, gain an advantage, etc.
e.
Everyone together now: What warranty?
Bad logic, because you over simplified it.
Let's say you charge money for it, say people buy it, say you have many users. In general, you will _still_ not have enough time and resources to do everything that all your users want: immediate bug fix, immediate feature additions, complete support.
Could you do a better job if you charge money? Maybe. Maybe not. Say you want to start a company to do a word processor and charge for it. How long do you think you'll be around? Do you think your customers won't bitch and moan and complain?
Don't believe me? Go work for a few software companies.
Maybe the Abiword team need to restructure a little. Maybe they need to shield themselves from users more. Maybe they need more coders. Maybe they lack a project-manager like person. Maybe they are (forgive me :-) technically not good enough, like many software teams that work on $$$products. Maybe the users is more like the I'll-buy-it-if-it-has-this-feature type, and since Abiword is free, they try it out and ask for the feature which otherwise they would not ask for in a $$$product because they would not have bought it in the first place and would feel they have no right to ask for features and thus make resulting in more features requests to a free product like Abiword. Or maybe they just need to charge money to fund the development.
Who knows?
Nice condescending rant:
THE major problem with Open Source.
sorta work on it.
can't compete [with what?]
linux kids
_must_ give away the product (try "would like to")
Wrong in many places:
Can't make money with it.
Can't commit yourself to it full time.
[Not] a real programming team.
[Is not] capitalism (perhaps your idea of capitalism is pretty narrow).
$40k/yr == nice word processors (implying that the product is bug free, featureful, etc., and implying $40k/yr is satisfactory)
Anyway, check out the GIMP.
Cheers,
e.
???
It seems to work for me with bash 2.05a.
Huh? Your mail in the folder are still encrypted. It is only decrypted at your MUA.
www.debka.com looks like a pro-Isreali news site with an axe to grind.
- General Inside Information
You are kidding, right?
Yep. The attack is only on Talibans, not Afghanistan. Of course, expect some minimal collateral damage, say, a few thousands dead civilians?
I used to buy a lot of stuff from mwave, until one day I got a busted CPU. A busted CPU was no big deal, what was not fine was that after I had returned it with an RMA, they did not promptly send a replacement. In fact, it took them two weeks to send a replacement, after many emails and phone calls. Every time it was a different story (mostly BS), like how they had not received the busted CPU yet (they had), that they'd send someone to check at the receiving (I have been to their physical site, and the receiving is probably about 20 meters from anywhere else), blah blah.
Needless to say, I am not buying from them again.
Caveat emptor, I suppose. Cheers!
Ha ha ha. "Here's the MATH"??? 6000 x 100,000 = 600,000,000.
Moron. And anonymously cowardly, too.
Georgia... Isn't that the state that was going to ding that guy half a billion bucks and throw his ass in jail for 15 years, just for running some distributed key searching programs? Lovely place. Avoid.
I hope that Hemos doesn't think that this is really happening?
wtf? Its nice to see that the world will laugh when a man unknown for anything makes trite unthinking statements? Its not a black and white issue. All budgewood is doing is pumping this anti-linus bullshit. Listen, think for yourself... don't dismiss listen or anyone before you take a serious look for yourself. budgewood has failed to distinguish himself.
$40k per version of windows server version:
.NET comes out, then you'll get to pay $0.01 per page printed to a Win.NET server. Try the new login screen:
Win2K 2000
WinXP 2002
WinWinWin 2004
WinWinWinAgain 2006
Hmmm... Do you have to pay for chainging the clients as well? Win98, WinMe, WinYou, WinWhat...
Also, wait till
User Name:
Password:
Log on to:
Credit Card #:
8^)
e.
For those who justify continuation of copyrights after the decease of the author by saying that it benefits the dependents (wife, children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren, pets) of the authors, why is not the labor law rewritten to say that after Joe Laborer is dead, the employer keeps paying the salary for the next 70 years? After all, even Joe Laborer has wife and children! I am sure you can find a few cases where a child is saved because of the absurd copyright rule, but if you try hard enough, you can justify almost anything. Besides, how can you prove that that particular child would not have been saved otherwise? e.
The quotes you pulled from Xenomech does not sound stupid/silly/bad at all, despite your best effort in trying to make it so. Yes, someone can be an idiot and get to that level, if enough of the population are idiots and vote along party lines, or think that Gore is too "robotic" and W is more "human", or think that voting republicans will benefit them more. Sometimes people vote out of fear, fear that the democrats will win. I agree with Xenomech--W is a retard. And a cold-hearted liar to boot--check out W's electric chair record in TX, where everyone toasted is guilty beyond any reasonable doubt. Anyway, this is getting out of topic... Cheers, e.
Sometime this month. Forgot the exact date. Cheers, e.
This post looks legit to me despite the AC status. I.e., you can believe it. Cheers, Ed. (Only people from AT&T Labs-Research write "AT&T Labs-Research" :-)