Besides, as usual they pervert things. Teh actual money from SLC is small enough we would tell them to bugger off. But some of it gets mixed into various state funding such that when we researched it we would not only lose direct SLC funding but ALL state funding as well. Mostly because teh various state funding sources couldn't PROVE there was not federal money mixed in at some point upstream so to be safe we would be cut.
Not permissable. Requests must be in writing, once per session and ID must be inspected.
> just make sure all the computer screens face a library employee's desk.
And you would want to go research that horribly embarrassing STD you just got diagnosed with on such a system, right? And all the little kiddies wandering the library should be watching too!
That is why we have one bank of machines with recessed monitors. Back when WE got to set our own policy adults at those machines were allowed unlimited access, adults on other machines could still IRC and such but web access was filtered. Children had to have parental permission for any access, and they checked a box to decide whether they were always filtered or used the adult rules.
But that was back in the fading last days of the old Republic... before the dark times. Before the Empire.
Then you don't understand what CPIA is all about. CIPA requires that adults be treated as children, the only difference is that an adult can make a written request (per session) for unfiltered access.
Not insightful at all. RTFL (Read The Fscking Law)
It requires that adults be treated as children. If you want unfiltered access you must request it in writing EACH session. Yes it sucks. Yes we obey it.
Damn straight. We already had a perfectly workable filtering policy so as an act of protest I fixed our systems to examine OUR policy and the new system and if they would have had unfiltered access under the policies of OUR board of control I throw up a big banner explaining that their access will be filtered against our will and showing the contact info for their Senaters and Rep and explaining that any complaints should be direcdted to them.
Of course now that the battle is lost I suspect I'll deprecate that feature and drop it from the next patron model I push out to the lab. Not that I might not work in some more subtle protest, but it looks like we are going to be stuck with treating adults like children for the indefinite future. So maintaining the two sets of data isn't a viable option anymore, now all I need to know is who is an adult and therefore eligable to applying for unfiltered access and if they have done so today.
I dunno, there is hope. I'm a Republican in a very 'red state', the very buckle of the bible belt even. But I'm happy to say I have yet to find a supporter of CIPA if I explain a) exactly what it does (treat adults like children, which will somehow protect the children) and b) that our library systems were filtered since '96 but the parents got to control it instead of Great White Father in Washington.
You are forgetting the reason for these sort of laws. They aren't intended to WORK. They are intended to make the people passing them FEEL better. Usually this sort of feelgood law comes from Dems, but in this case the Repubs were all too happy to join in on the fun.
Not insightful at all. RTFL (Read the Fscking Law)
The unblocking MUST be manually performed by library personel each visit. We technically violate that a bit by only clearing the unblock flags on patron accounts in a batch run from cron.daily but we do follow the rest of the law by requiring a request form to be signed and filed each day a patron wishes unfiltered access.
Yes it does suck. Yes it is a big waste of skilled labor[1]. Yes it discourages patrons from asking. But Great White Father in Washington has spoken and we obey.
[1] If not for the filtering requirement our patron lab (25 Linux boxen) would be almost entirely self service.
I'm a sysadmin at a public library. I have been following these fights for a few years and see only one solution. Kill SLC.
Eliminate the Schools and Libraries Corp and the tax that supports it and the problem goes away. These eternal attempts at control by the FedGov are only possible by the indirect method of tying it to Federal Money. The actual number of dollars our library gets that can be traced directly to SLC is small enough we would just tell them to shove it, but when we looked into it we found it intermingled throughout the state and other misc funding to the point we would lose a buttload of money. Kill SLC.
> Because these people were not military soldiers acting under state > sanction in an announced aggression against another country.
And by this logic I would assume we should locate and prosecute any surviving members of the French Resistance for terrorism? Sorry, it just doesn't work that way. Irregular forces are a fact of life in a war.
Which is of course what nobody wants to admit this is all about. There is a war on between Radical Islam (which claims a much larger percentage of the Islamic world than we wish to admit to) and Western Civilization and nobody wants to admit it because to admit it would be to be forced into some unpleasant decisions. In the end we only have three choices:
1. Subvert Radical Islam and transform it into a belief system compatible with the existance of our civilization.
2. Launch the last crusade and convert them by the sword.
3. Keep ignoring the problem until they obtain WMD and see our civilization destroyed.
> And for Tim McVeigh. What was he rebelling aginst then? What was his > message to the world? What did he hope to accomplish by > "overthrowing" the government?
He believed the FedGov was hopelessly perverted from it's original design and had become a threat. Views I tend to also agree with. Where we differ is that he believed that peaceful redress was no longer an option and that large numbers were ready for a revolution, only needing a spark to set one off.
But the important point is that he was not a terrorist, but a mistaken revolutionary who properly paid the price for being wrong. But it is critical to keep in mind that he had the right to declare a revolution, and so do thee and me. But it not something to be undertaken lightly and one must be prepared to risk (like the Founders understood, the stakes are your "life, fortune and sacred honor") everything on such a venture. After all, if you don't have the right to declare a revolt then then two questions must be asked, "Who does?" and "By what right?"
Which gets us to the point the Founding Fathers were on about when they put the 2nd Amendment in. After all, they had just carried out a pretty violent revolution (using a non trivial amount of irregular warfare themselves) against the most powerful military on the planet and understood that they probably hadn't fought the last one in history so they wanted to make it easier to get rid of the next defective government when the time came. Remember these were radical dudes wont to spout lines like "The tree of Liberty must be occasionally watered with the blood of Patriots and Tyrants."
> they also seem to think Nazi's were communist instead of fascist?
Or perhaps they HAVE read their history and know the full name of the Nazi party was National Socialists. Interdemoninational rivalary is often more intense than hatred of completely differnent sects, which goes a lot towards explaining the grudge match action in WWII between Germany and Russia.
> Knowing US military, political and economic might, that seems fairly > brave move on France's (and Germany's) part to me.
How? Knowing the US, they know there isn't a chance in hell of us actually hurting France or Germany even if Osama showed up in Paris. We will snub them for a while in insignificant ways, but that is about it. Personally I support having the US withdraw from NATO and let em start learning just how much it costs to build and maintain a modern high tech military.
> It's bit like people calling 9/11 terrorists cowards...
Agreed, cowards they aren't. And I'd go you one more and say the guys that went splat into the Pentagon weren't terrorists. Terrorism is a deliberate attack against a civilian target and if anyone wants to call the Pentagon a civilian target I want them to explain just what they think a military one might be. The passengers were just collateral damage. (War is a bitch like that, which is why it is usually considered a 'bad thing'.)
Same for Tim Mcveigh and the OKC bombing not being terrorism. If a federal building full of feds and the machinery of the FedGov isn't a legit target, what is? No, Tim was part of a revolutionary force of less than a dozen, but it was an act of revolution, not terror. Of course I still agree with the State responding by planting the S.O.B.
Words mean things, and I get ticked when people try to expand the meaning of one word to the point where it loses any meaning.
Sounds like this project died from success. LRP hit a point where nobody was needing to scratch an itch anymore and development came to a halt. So the guy embarked on some wierd non-unix offshoot and found zero interest in that (duh!) so he is dropping out.
Perhaps it is time to let someone with an interest in maintaining the current codebase take it over. Doesn't sound like it would take much effort at this point other than backporting the occasional fix for an exploit.
This gadget is playing a pattern of magnetic signals, apparently through an 8bit DAC for each emitter. So by all appearances the patterns are copyrightable 'works' and copyright is eternal. (for all intents and purposes unless we kill Eisner/Disney) So assuming this guy isn't a quack for a minute, soon he will have an entensive library of all the patterns to enhance various mental abilities and perhaps even cure some mental diseases. But unlike the current medical companies which only get a patent for 10-19 years for a new drug or device, this guy could have an eternal monopoly on the 'content' to be played on this new machine. So while the machines themselves would eventually be dirt cheap, being knocked off in China, one person/company would have almost unlimited pricing power in making use of the new tech.
Where have we seen this pattern before? Talk about an oportunity for a vulture capitalist!
> Right. How about you go and read the original post before you put your > foot in your mouth.
Yes, but the post I was replying to was ranting about man in the middle attacks that would affect affect "anyone using SSH" and I contend that anyone who gets nailed after their ssh client throws up a big scary "Someone may be attempting a man in the middle attack...." warning kinda deserves to get screwed into the ground. And people, LOOK at the damned URL on those ecommerce sites before you plug in that CC#.
Wrong. Go read the docs for SSH some more and while you are at it, learn the basics of public key crypto. A man in the middle attack is damn nigh imposible with a well designed system, and SSH2 is well designed. Mind you that SSH1 was a textbook example of why those who don't know the details of WHY crypto works should not design a cryptosystem, even from off the shelf parts.
Since a man in the middle won't happen if you pay attention to changes in the host key you only have to worry about one of the ends being compromised and giving up your keystrokes.
Or read another way, if you go short the market is giving you pretty good odds of making a sack of money with a small chance of losing around six times your bet. Too bad my Ameritrade account is an IRA and doesn't allow short trades.
Three to one he ends up at Microsoft. They do have a history of rewarding people who scuttle their own company in service to the greater glory of Microsoft. Or has the/. collective forgotten Rick Belluzzo, the destroyer of HP and SGI, already?
> Personally, I'd go with either OpenBSD or Linux.
This whole pissing fight is over Linux. Were SCO to get their injunction Linux is toast because it would mean they convinced a judge they have a shot at prevailing at trial. BSD is safe in theory, but we are already positing an insane parallel world where a judge would grant their injunction and nothing is safe there.
No, imagine for a second what would happen if they actually were to get their injunction requiring each and every copy of AIX to be collected and destroyed. The National Weather Service is using AIX for some of their weather modeling. What do they do, just cease operations for a few months while they port their software..... to WHAT? None of the other commercial UNIXen are safe, you can bet they aren't stupid enough to try porting to a rack of Dells running NT. So does the Weather Channel replace their feed with a slide saying "Out of Service pending resolution of SCO v IBM"? Follow the ripples down through the economy from all of the sites running AIX.
Now imagine the horror as every entity with a "licensed, not sold" product starts frantically researching how many companies their vendor licenses various bits from and calculating the odds of one of them getting into a pissing fight. You either get Congress going into emergency session to pass a law protecting the end users from being pawns in this new form of corporate blackmail or the economy collapses.
I can't believe they are this stupid! How can they possibly claim that IBM customers are operating without a valid license? SCO does not dispute that IBM possessed a valid license up through the end of Fri 13. So any copies that IBM sold before that date are perfectly legal licenses.
Any court that even takes any other legal theory seriously will destroy the entire US economy by creating uncertainty in ALL sub-licensed IP. And I have just enough faith remaining in the US legal system to believe that the judge will be bright enough to see the can of legal Whoop-Ass SCO is asking them to open.
I doubt it. We are just too damned efficient at killing off anything that looks like a predator.:)
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> Environmentally and economically there are good reasons to dislike them. > They kill a lot of birds. They break down a lot, requiring a fair energy > input to maintain, and they only work when the wind blows.
The wind pretty much blows all the time at the sites selected for wind farms. That is the primary selection criteria. The wind in the Nantucket area *averages* 18mph, which you would have known had you RTFA. And while the US doesn't have a long track record with windmills, other countries do and consider them profitable.
While I'll admit that wind isn't likely to solve all of our energy demands, it shouldn't be passed over when an opportunity comes along to harness an abundant resource. We should be working on wind, geothermal, tidal and building more nuke plants. Depending on imported oil is a very bad idea.
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> it's the fed's money
No, it is our money taken at gunpoint.
Besides, as usual they pervert things. Teh actual money from SLC is small enough we would tell them to bugger off. But some of it gets mixed into various state funding such that when we researched it we would not only lose direct SLC funding but ALL state funding as well. Mostly because teh various state funding sources couldn't PROVE there was not federal money mixed in at some point upstream so to be safe we would be cut.
> Just change the passwords weekly
Not permissable. Requests must be in writing, once per session and ID must be inspected.
> just make sure all the computer screens face a library employee's desk.
And you would want to go research that horribly embarrassing STD you just got diagnosed with on such a system, right? And all the little kiddies wandering the library should be watching too!
That is why we have one bank of machines with recessed monitors. Back when WE got to set our own policy adults at those machines were allowed unlimited access, adults on other machines could still IRC and such but web access was filtered. Children had to have parental permission for any access, and they checked a box to decide whether they were always filtered or used the adult rules.
But that was back in the fading last days of the old Republic... before the dark times. Before the Empire.
Then you don't understand what CPIA is all about. CIPA requires that adults be treated as children, the only difference is that an adult can make a written request (per session) for unfiltered access.
Not insightful at all. RTFL (Read The Fscking Law)
It requires that adults be treated as children. If you want unfiltered access you must request it in writing EACH session. Yes it sucks. Yes we obey it.
Damn straight. We already had a perfectly workable filtering policy so as an act of protest I fixed our systems to examine OUR policy and the new system and if they would have had unfiltered access under the policies of OUR board of control I throw up a big banner explaining that their access will be filtered against our will and showing the contact info for their Senaters and Rep and explaining that any complaints should be direcdted to them.
Of course now that the battle is lost I suspect I'll deprecate that feature and drop it from the next patron model I push out to the lab. Not that I might not work in some more subtle protest, but it looks like we are going to be stuck with treating adults like children for the indefinite future. So maintaining the two sets of data isn't a viable option anymore, now all I need to know is who is an adult and therefore eligable to applying for unfiltered access and if they have done so today.
I dunno, there is hope. I'm a Republican in a very 'red state', the very buckle of the bible belt even. But I'm happy to say I have yet to find a supporter of CIPA if I explain a) exactly what it does (treat adults like children, which will somehow protect the children) and b) that our library systems were filtered since '96 but the parents got to control it instead of Great White Father in Washington.
You are forgetting the reason for these sort of laws. They aren't intended to WORK. They are intended to make the people passing them FEEL better. Usually this sort of feelgood law comes from Dems, but in this case the Repubs were all too happy to join in on the fun.
Not insightful at all. RTFL (Read the Fscking Law)
The unblocking MUST be manually performed by library personel each visit. We technically violate that a bit by only clearing the unblock flags on patron accounts in a batch run from cron.daily but we do follow the rest of the law by requiring a request form to be signed and filed each day a patron wishes unfiltered access.
Yes it does suck. Yes it is a big waste of skilled labor[1]. Yes it discourages patrons from asking. But Great White Father in Washington has spoken and we obey.
[1] If not for the filtering requirement our patron lab (25 Linux boxen) would be almost entirely self service.
I'm a sysadmin at a public library. I have been following these fights for a few years and see only one solution. Kill SLC.
Eliminate the Schools and Libraries Corp and the tax that supports it and the problem goes away. These eternal attempts at control by the FedGov are only possible by the indirect method of tying it to Federal Money. The actual number of dollars our library gets that can be traced directly to SLC is small enough we would just tell them to shove it, but when we looked into it we found it intermingled throughout the state and other misc funding to the point we would lose a buttload of money. Kill SLC.
THE SLC MUST BE DESTROYED.
> Because these people were not military soldiers acting under state
> sanction in an announced aggression against another country.
And by this logic I would assume we should locate and prosecute any surviving members of the French Resistance for terrorism? Sorry, it just doesn't work that way. Irregular forces are a fact of life in a war.
Which is of course what nobody wants to admit this is all about. There is a war on between Radical Islam (which claims a much larger percentage of the Islamic world than we wish to admit to) and Western Civilization and nobody wants to admit it because to admit it would be to be forced into some unpleasant decisions. In the end we only have three choices:
1. Subvert Radical Islam and transform it into a belief system compatible with the existance of our civilization.
2. Launch the last crusade and convert them by the sword.
3. Keep ignoring the problem until they obtain WMD and see our civilization destroyed.
> And for Tim McVeigh. What was he rebelling aginst then? What was his
> message to the world? What did he hope to accomplish by
> "overthrowing" the government?
He believed the FedGov was hopelessly perverted from it's original design and had become a threat. Views I tend to also agree with. Where we differ is that he believed that peaceful redress was no longer an option and that large numbers were ready for a revolution, only needing a spark to set one off.
But the important point is that he was not a terrorist, but a mistaken revolutionary who properly paid the price for being wrong. But it is critical to keep in mind that he had the right to declare a revolution, and so do thee and me. But it not something to be undertaken lightly and one must be prepared to risk (like the Founders understood, the stakes are your "life, fortune and sacred honor") everything on such a venture. After all, if you don't have the right to declare a revolt then then two questions must be asked, "Who does?" and "By what right?"
Which gets us to the point the Founding Fathers were on about when they put the 2nd Amendment in. After all, they had just carried out a pretty violent revolution (using a non trivial amount of irregular warfare themselves) against the most powerful military on the planet and understood that they probably hadn't fought the last one in history so they wanted to make it easier to get rid of the next defective government when the time came. Remember these were radical dudes wont to spout lines like "The tree of Liberty must be occasionally watered with the blood of Patriots and Tyrants."
> they also seem to think Nazi's were communist instead of fascist?
Or perhaps they HAVE read their history and know the full name of the Nazi party was National Socialists. Interdemoninational rivalary is often more intense than hatred of completely differnent sects, which goes a lot towards explaining the grudge match action in WWII between Germany and Russia.
> Knowing US military, political and economic might, that seems fairly
> brave move on France's (and Germany's) part to me.
How? Knowing the US, they know there isn't a chance in hell of us actually hurting France or Germany even if Osama showed up in Paris. We will snub them for a while in insignificant ways, but that is about it. Personally I support having the US withdraw from NATO and let em start learning just how much it costs to build and maintain a modern high tech military.
> It's bit like people calling 9/11 terrorists cowards...
Agreed, cowards they aren't. And I'd go you one more and say the guys that went splat into the Pentagon weren't terrorists. Terrorism is a deliberate attack against a civilian target and if anyone wants to call the Pentagon a civilian target I want them to explain just what they think a military one might be. The passengers were just collateral damage. (War is a bitch like that, which is why it is usually considered a 'bad thing'.)
Same for Tim Mcveigh and the OKC bombing not being terrorism. If a federal building full of feds and the machinery of the FedGov isn't a legit target, what is? No, Tim was part of a revolutionary force of less than a dozen, but it was an act of revolution, not terror. Of course I still agree with the State responding by planting the S.O.B.
Words mean things, and I get ticked when people try to expand the meaning of one word to the point where it loses any meaning.
Sounds like this project died from success. LRP hit a point where nobody was needing to scratch an itch anymore and development came to a halt. So the guy embarked on some wierd non-unix offshoot and found zero interest in that (duh!) so he is dropping out.
Perhaps it is time to let someone with an interest in maintaining the current codebase take it over. Doesn't sound like it would take much effort at this point other than backporting the occasional fix for an exploit.
This gadget is playing a pattern of magnetic signals, apparently through an 8bit DAC for each emitter. So by all appearances the patterns are copyrightable 'works' and copyright is eternal. (for all intents and purposes unless we kill Eisner/Disney) So assuming this guy isn't a quack for a minute, soon he will have an entensive library of all the patterns to enhance various mental abilities and perhaps even cure some mental diseases. But unlike the current medical companies which only get a patent for 10-19 years for a new drug or device, this guy could have an eternal monopoly on the 'content' to be played on this new machine. So while the machines themselves would eventually be dirt cheap, being knocked off in China, one person/company would have almost unlimited pricing power in making use of the new tech.
Where have we seen this pattern before? Talk about an oportunity for a vulture capitalist!
> Right. How about you go and read the original post before you put your
> foot in your mouth.
Yes, but the post I was replying to was ranting about man in the middle attacks that would affect affect "anyone using SSH" and I contend that anyone who gets nailed after their ssh client throws up a big scary "Someone may be attempting a man in the middle attack...." warning kinda deserves to get screwed into the ground. And people, LOOK at the damned URL on those ecommerce sites before you plug in that CC#.
Wrong. Go read the docs for SSH some more and while you are at it, learn the basics of public key crypto. A man in the middle attack is damn nigh imposible with a well designed system, and SSH2 is well designed. Mind you that SSH1 was a textbook example of why those who don't know the details of WHY crypto works should not design a cryptosystem, even from off the shelf parts.
Since a man in the middle won't happen if you pay attention to changes in the host key you only have to worry about one of the ends being compromised and giving up your keystrokes.
He wasn't working for Microsoft, he was just an ordinary criminal.
Nope, I envision it as a boxing match. Paul Rueubens vs Mike Tyson. And we all know how that will end. I can see the headlines now:
Iron Mike eats Pee Wee Herman.
Or read another way, if you go short the market is giving you pretty good odds of making a sack of money with a small chance of losing around six times your bet. Too bad my Ameritrade account is an IRA and doesn't allow short trades.
Three to one he ends up at Microsoft. They do have a history of rewarding people who scuttle their own company in service to the greater glory of Microsoft. Or has the /. collective forgotten Rick Belluzzo, the destroyer of HP and SGI, already?
> Personally, I'd go with either OpenBSD or Linux.
This whole pissing fight is over Linux. Were SCO to get their injunction Linux is toast because it would mean they convinced a judge they have a shot at prevailing at trial. BSD is safe in theory, but we are already positing an insane parallel world where a judge would grant their injunction and nothing is safe there.
No, imagine for a second what would happen if they actually were to get their injunction requiring each and every copy of AIX to be collected and destroyed. The National Weather Service is using AIX for some of their weather modeling. What do they do, just cease operations for a few months while they port their software..... to WHAT? None of the other commercial UNIXen are safe, you can bet they aren't stupid enough to try porting to a rack of Dells running NT. So does the Weather Channel replace their feed with a slide saying "Out of Service pending resolution of SCO v IBM"? Follow the ripples down through the economy from all of the sites running AIX.
Now imagine the horror as every entity with a "licensed, not sold" product starts frantically researching how many companies their vendor licenses various bits from and calculating the odds of one of them getting into a pissing fight. You either get Congress going into emergency session to pass a law protecting the end users from being pawns in this new form of corporate blackmail or the economy collapses.
I can't believe they are this stupid! How can they possibly claim that
IBM customers are operating without a valid license? SCO does not
dispute that IBM possessed a valid license up through the end of Fri 13.
So any copies that IBM sold before that date are perfectly legal licenses.
Any court that even takes any other legal theory seriously will destroy
the entire US economy by creating uncertainty in ALL sub-licensed IP.
And I have just enough faith remaining in the US legal system to believe
that the judge will be bright enough to see the can of legal Whoop-Ass SCO is asking them to open.
I doubt it. We are just too damned efficient at killing off anything that looks like a predator. :)
> Environmentally and economically there are good reasons to dislike them.
> They kill a lot of birds. They break down a lot, requiring a fair energy
> input to maintain, and they only work when the wind blows.
The wind pretty much blows all the time at the sites selected for wind farms. That is the primary selection criteria. The wind in the Nantucket area *averages* 18mph, which you would have known had you RTFA. And while the US doesn't have a long track record with windmills, other countries do and consider them profitable.
While I'll admit that wind isn't likely to solve all of our energy demands, it shouldn't be passed over when an opportunity comes along to harness an abundant resource. We should be working on wind, geothermal, tidal and building more nuke plants. Depending on imported oil is a very bad idea.