I'm wondering if anyone can comment on the performance of VMware (and the potential performance of plex86 one day). I used Bochs to run Windows 98, and the performance was awful. The specs on my machine are: AMD K6-2 450 MHz, 256 Mb RAM. ----
Debian has the *RIGHT* version number sequenece. All this distribution hoping up to 7 is ridiculous.
Right? According to what? Morally right? Practically right? Or is this just your existential claim?
Picture things in 2 years, we're going to have Redhat Version 14, Slackware Version 15.1, and SuSE 42.
What is wrong with RedHat 14? Is 14 such a large number that we just can't fathom it? Or is it just that we're not used to it? We can only handle small numbers like 3.2 or 6.0 and numbers corresponding to a year like Windows 2000 or Office 97? It's just a number representing a release. ----
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Actually there are RPM's available. You can use the Helix Updater to get them. They'll be available under "Evolution Preview" in the Helix Updater Mirror list. Or if you want them now, you can scroll down to the bottom of the mirror list and use the Evolution Testing Mirror. I am not responsible for the consequences of your actions, should you choose the latter option.:) If you don't want to use the updater, you can ftp directly to the mirrors.:) ----
Yes but their current source base is so big now that it's quite intimidating to just join in. And GNOME developers don't produce mucho documentation at all.
What sort of documentation are you looking for. Perhaps I can help you find it. The Gnome Project has plenty of documentation. Also, if you're interested in developing for Gnome, check out The Gnome Developer's Site. In addition, resources such as mailing lists, newsgroups, national websites, and related projects can be found on Gnome's Resource Index. I hope this helps. ----
I personally don't think there should be an explanation of the terms used in every/. story. If you don't know what Evolution is, you can either choose to ignore the story, click on the appropriate links, or ask someone via a post. Learn to do a little research. ----
I have not experience the instability problems you are describing. Maybe you could give some more information, such as how you installed Gnome 1.2. Are you using the Helix RPMs? ----
One of Gnome's design goals is to reuse code. One of the ways they do this is by breaking code down into many libraries with individual functionality. Every library serves it's purpose(s). Which would you suggest they consolidate?
Also, if you insist on compiling, then you shouldn't complain; by now you should be getting good at it. As far as getting the dependencies right, might I suggest making SRPM's and compiling those? ----
No one will force you to use GTK+ themes for your QT apps. This is a nice announcement because now when I run QT applications (which is rare), I can use the current theme of my preferred professional toolkit, GTK+. ----
How does/. avoid these problems? Is it just higher bandwidth and faster/more machines?
Does k5 implement any sort of time delay between submissions (either stories or comments) coming from the the same ip address? Or was the problem that the attacker(s) used a highly distributed attack?
Whilst I appreciate that the GNOME team are also doing a good job of copying the whole Windows "look and feel", I have to say that what Linux needs is more distinction between its GUI and the Windows GUI, not less. Sure, it should be roughly equivalent to aid in user migration from MS to Linux, but it also needs to be distinctive to aid in brand recognition, and KDE has acheived this.
Interesting. The reason I use Gnome instead of KDE is because I think KDE is way too Win98ish...Gnome, on the other hand, with its tigert style icons, widget styles in most themes (like Helix's default theme), looks nothing like Windows. It has it's own look and feel that I love. ----
It would be nice to see one joint effort to produce a decent productivity suite for Linux. I hope that StarOffice can be used as the base, and features which aren't currently in the product can be taken from products which aren't as mature. I use GnuCash to see how it stacks up against Quicken (which I use also). It has almost all the features I require, but it is so dependent on GNOME.
Achtung isn't even listed as a component of Gnome Office. Maybe eventually it will be mature enough, but at this point...Guppi is also not listed as a component of Gnome Office at this point. ----
Does Gnome Office just sound like a collection of unrelated gtk/gnome software they're trying to group together to compete with kde's koffice?
Integration is planned through the use of Bonobo, which incidentally is the component architecture that Sun has chosen to use with Star Office. So you'll be able in a Gnome version of AbiWord, some time in the future, to embed a spreadsheet (gnumeric, excel, star office) in an AbiWord document and even edit from that shell, using the familiar gnumeric controls. ----
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Indeed. One of the most deadly substances known to man is Dihydrogen Monoxide, yet we have our daily intake of dhmo every day... ----
Miguel is not ranting on how much Unix sucks because he hates it. Quite the opposite. As has been pointed out, all OS's suck. Miguel is saying, Unix sucks (which is tantamount to saying here is at least one weakness I see in it), here's why, and I'm going to try to fix it. That is the beauty of free software.
Another point I see people making is that they think that Miguel is trying to force users to use Gnome. That somehow what he is saying is that he wants to dictate policy for you. Goodness! That's not what he's saying. He sees it as a weakness that Unix doesn't have some commonality in terms of a component architecture, font rendering, printing, toolkit, etc. The Gnome Project aims to give developers who choose to do so a set of libraries and API's to hack with that provide commonality. It gives opportuntiy for further freedom, not less! ----
No, most of the world's commercial desktop software was written for Windows, because *big drum roll here*... most of the world's commercial desktops run Windows!
Um, that's more or less what standardization is. Windows is the desktop "standard" because it runs on nearly all desktops worldwide. ----
Unix's problems come from its longstanding approach of not deciding policy. The kernel does not decide policy; neither does the C library, the X libraries, or the window system in general. The people who decided that X users could pick their own window manager created a situation where there were many, many window managers to choose from; "they were smoking crack."
So what's he offering to do? Start "deciding policy" for us? Is this a thinly veiled excuse for heavy-handed GNOMification of existing apps like xscreensaver, rather than the more sensible solution of letting them be visible through GNOME?
No, you miss the point. It's not about Gnome deciding policy. It's about creating libraries and API's to hack against (if you want to, there will always be choice, Miguel or anyone else in the Gnome camp will tell you that) for common tasks such as printing, image manipulation, font rendering, the toolkit, etc. So, by *choice*, if you want, you can use a set of applications that have some commonality.
Miguel is an open admirer of how Microsoft does software development.
Someone please tell me this is a belated April Fools joke!
It's not a joke, but it might not mean what you think it means. I've had the opportunity to talk with Miguel (while waiting for Phantom Menace to start) about his views on software design, and particularly how Microsoft does it. What he admires about Microsoft is there reuse of code through a set of common libraries and their component architecture. Granted if the code is unstable, you're going to have a lot of unstable applications. That's where he doesn't admire Microsoft. So he wants to pick the good things that Microsoft is doing, and improve, by writing stable, quality code. Check out the code to gnumeric some time if you want to see some beautiful code. ----
Choice is a good thing, yes. The problem with Unix isn't choice. Miguel was complaining about the lack of code sharing and idea sharing, which is ironic, because most people think of Linux as a bundle of software that shares code since it's all under the GPL, and this is true to some degree, but when it comes to things like fonts or printing architecture, or X, it's just a mess. You can have choice while still sharing code, especially on fundamental things like font rendering. This is what Miguel is attempting to do. He isn't trying to get everyone to give up their choice and use Gnome and only Gnome. He's trying to create a set of libraries and API's to hack against that will create some more effecient code and idea sharing for common tasks. ----
Whatever happened to that KDE & GNOME common component archetecure?
You mean this? Well nothing is really being done, but people have begun talking about it. Perhaps now that Sun will be releasing Star Office under the GPL and it will be using Bonobo, maybe KDE and other projects will consider using it also. It's kind of a snowball effect, the more projects using Bonobo you get, the more you'll get. ----
I realize what you are trying to say. That's why I said that Microsoft formats are prolific. I'm not saying good format filters aren't useful; in point of fact, they are. But to say that an office suite is not truly useful unless it has good Microsoft filters, is absurd.:) ----
That is absurd. Microsoft formats, while prolific, are not ideal. The XML formats of open source applications such as gnumeric and AbiWord, are much, much easier to process, grep, hack on, etc. Reading Microsoft's formats is not the only reason people have an office suite. Some of us actually use it for productivity and don't need to read Microsoft file formats at all. LaTex, for example is extraordinarily useful... ----
Miguel did not say that Star Office 6.0 is based on the Bonobo component model. What he said is that he is pleased that Sun has chosen to use Bonobo as a component model. Part of the openoffice.org roadmap includes porting to GKT+ and using Bonobo and other Gnome technologies. But it remains to be seen how much of this work has actually done. ----
There are a veritable plethora of reasons why Sun might release Star Office under the GPL, but one reason might be simply to extend the power and interoperability of Star Office by switching to the GTK+ toolkit and possibly even using other Gnome technologies such as gnome-print and bonobo. One of the biggest complaints against Star Office is that it tries to be it's own OS (Hmm...sound like another text processing program?) with it's start button, it's own "desktop", file manager, toolkit, etc. With the adoption of Gnome technologies by converting Star Office to GPL, they would suddenly gain interoperability with Gnome applications and have the use of a component architechture to share resources. In addition the potential for KDE getting in on the fun is endless. ----
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I'm wondering if anyone can comment on the performance of VMware (and the potential performance of plex86 one day). I used Bochs to run Windows 98, and the performance was awful. The specs on my machine are: AMD K6-2 450 MHz, 256 Mb RAM.
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Right? According to what? Morally right? Practically right? Or is this just your existential claim?
Picture things in 2 years, we're going to have Redhat Version 14, Slackware Version 15.1, and SuSE 42.
What is wrong with RedHat 14? Is 14 such a large number that we just can't fathom it? Or is it just that we're not used to it? We can only handle small numbers like 3.2 or 6.0 and numbers corresponding to a year like Windows 2000 or Office 97? It's just a number representing a release.
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Actually there are RPM's available. You can use the Helix Updater to get them. They'll be available under "Evolution Preview" in the Helix Updater Mirror list. Or if you want them now, you can scroll down to the bottom of the mirror list and use the Evolution Testing Mirror. I am not responsible for the consequences of your actions, should you choose the latter option. :) If you don't want to use the updater, you can ftp directly to the mirrors. :)
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What sort of documentation are you looking for. Perhaps I can help you find it. The Gnome Project has plenty of documentation. Also, if you're interested in developing for Gnome, check out The Gnome Developer's Site. In addition, resources such as mailing lists, newsgroups, national websites, and related projects can be found on Gnome's Resource Index. I hope this helps.
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I personally don't think there should be an explanation of the terms used in every /. story. If you don't know what Evolution is, you can either choose to ignore the story, click on the appropriate links, or ask someone via a post. Learn to do a little research.
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I have not experience the instability problems you are describing. Maybe you could give some more information, such as how you installed Gnome 1.2. Are you using the Helix RPMs?
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Also, if you insist on compiling, then you shouldn't complain; by now you should be getting good at it. As far as getting the dependencies right, might I suggest making SRPM's and compiling those?
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No one will force you to use GTK+ themes for your QT apps. This is a nice announcement because now when I run QT applications (which is rare), I can use the current theme of my preferred professional toolkit, GTK+.
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Does k5 implement any sort of time delay between submissions (either stories or comments) coming from the the same ip address? Or was the problem that the attacker(s) used a highly distributed attack?
Just a few thoughts...
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Interesting. The reason I use Gnome instead of KDE is because I think KDE is way too Win98ish...Gnome, on the other hand, with its tigert style icons, widget styles in most themes (like Helix's default theme), looks nothing like Windows. It has it's own look and feel that I love.
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And Quicken is so dependent on Windows.
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Achtung isn't even listed as a component of Gnome Office. Maybe eventually it will be mature enough, but at this point...Guppi is also not listed as a component of Gnome Office at this point.
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Integration is planned through the use of Bonobo, which incidentally is the component architecture that Sun has chosen to use with Star Office. So you'll be able in a Gnome version of AbiWord, some time in the future, to embed a spreadsheet (gnumeric, excel, star office) in an AbiWord document and even edit from that shell, using the familiar gnumeric controls.
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Indeed. One of the most deadly substances known to man is Dihydrogen Monoxide, yet we have our daily intake of dhmo every day...
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Another point I see people making is that they think that Miguel is trying to force users to use Gnome. That somehow what he is saying is that he wants to dictate policy for you. Goodness! That's not what he's saying. He sees it as a weakness that Unix doesn't have some commonality in terms of a component architecture, font rendering, printing, toolkit, etc. The Gnome Project aims to give developers who choose to do so a set of libraries and API's to hack with that provide commonality. It gives opportuntiy for further freedom, not less!
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He's not just ranting. He's a true hacker. He's saying Unix Sucks, here's why, and I'm going to try to fix it.
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Um, that's more or less what standardization is. Windows is the desktop "standard" because it runs on nearly all desktops worldwide.
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So what's he offering to do? Start "deciding policy" for us? Is this a thinly veiled excuse for heavy-handed GNOMification of existing apps like xscreensaver, rather than the more sensible solution of letting them be visible through GNOME?
No, you miss the point. It's not about Gnome deciding policy. It's about creating libraries and API's to hack against (if you want to, there will always be choice, Miguel or anyone else in the Gnome camp will tell you that) for common tasks such as printing, image manipulation, font rendering, the toolkit, etc. So, by *choice*, if you want, you can use a set of applications that have some commonality.
Miguel is an open admirer of how Microsoft does software development.
Someone please tell me this is a belated April Fools joke!
It's not a joke, but it might not mean what you think it means. I've had the opportunity to talk with Miguel (while waiting for Phantom Menace to start) about his views on software design, and particularly how Microsoft does it. What he admires about Microsoft is there reuse of code through a set of common libraries and their component architecture. Granted if the code is unstable, you're going to have a lot of unstable applications. That's where he doesn't admire Microsoft. So he wants to pick the good things that Microsoft is doing, and improve, by writing stable, quality code. Check out the code to gnumeric some time if you want to see some beautiful code.
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Choice is a good thing, yes. The problem with Unix isn't choice. Miguel was complaining about the lack of code sharing and idea sharing, which is ironic, because most people think of Linux as a bundle of software that shares code since it's all under the GPL, and this is true to some degree, but when it comes to things like fonts or printing architecture, or X, it's just a mess. You can have choice while still sharing code, especially on fundamental things like font rendering. This is what Miguel is attempting to do. He isn't trying to get everyone to give up their choice and use Gnome and only Gnome. He's trying to create a set of libraries and API's to hack against that will create some more effecient code and idea sharing for common tasks.
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You mean this? Well nothing is really being done, but people have begun talking about it. Perhaps now that Sun will be releasing Star Office under the GPL and it will be using Bonobo, maybe KDE and other projects will consider using it also. It's kind of a snowball effect, the more projects using Bonobo you get, the more you'll get.
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I realize what you are trying to say. That's why I said that Microsoft formats are prolific. I'm not saying good format filters aren't useful; in point of fact, they are. But to say that an office suite is not truly useful unless it has good Microsoft filters, is absurd. :)
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you don't have to buy it, but here is a bit of their reasoning behind why they GPL'd StarOffice and not Solaris or Java.
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That is absurd. Microsoft formats, while prolific, are not ideal. The XML formats of open source applications such as gnumeric and AbiWord, are much, much easier to process, grep, hack on, etc. Reading Microsoft's formats is not the only reason people have an office suite. Some of us actually use it for productivity and don't need to read Microsoft file formats at all. LaTex, for example is extraordinarily useful...
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Miguel did not say that Star Office 6.0 is based on the Bonobo component model. What he said is that he is pleased that Sun has chosen to use Bonobo as a component model. Part of the openoffice.org roadmap includes porting to GKT+ and using Bonobo and other Gnome technologies. But it remains to be seen how much of this work has actually done.
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There are a veritable plethora of reasons why Sun might release Star Office under the GPL, but one reason might be simply to extend the power and interoperability of Star Office by switching to the GTK+ toolkit and possibly even using other Gnome technologies such as gnome-print and bonobo. One of the biggest complaints against Star Office is that it tries to be it's own OS (Hmm...sound like another text processing program?) with it's start button, it's own "desktop", file manager, toolkit, etc. With the adoption of Gnome technologies by converting Star Office to GPL, they would suddenly gain interoperability with Gnome applications and have the use of a component architechture to share resources. In addition the potential for KDE getting in on the fun is endless.
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