I've got a 9600 radeon on my other machine and I don't get the screwy red lines but sometimes on boot it just goes blank, sleep mode issue again I suspect. I find that if I just do a cntl-alt F2 for an alternate session and then do a cntl-alt F7 it usually comes back.
I like linux a lot more than windows, but these pesky little annoyances frustrate the bejeasus out of me.
Thanks, I'll try this. I want to run it in the native resolution for the monitor which is 1600x1200. If the standard radeon driver works this way I'll bag the ATI driver. I don't need any acceleration for what I'm doing and I'd rather have the resolution and clearity of the dvi input rather than the dsub.
Piss me off. Got a Dell 2001FP to work with a second machine I set up. Figured for what I needed I didn't need to get a 9600 so I went for a 9200 only to find out that for some reason the DVI output is hosed. After some googling found no one else can seem to make it work either. Not a hardware problem as it works fine in windows. Never again for ATI.....
I think not but it has been so long. I was design manager at VLSI Technology. We made a 12Mhz chipset which was our first, I thought for the 386 but it may have been for the 286. Our chip set was used by IBM for their "reentry" back into the ISA bus channel PC's after their big micro-channel effort resulted in them loosing half of their market share by dropping the ISA box for a while.
The cache comment is correct, regardless of the CPU it was going to work with. We reversed engineered the Norton SI benchmark and found out what it was doing. We were tempted but did not go forward as it would have been a useless feature. Point is, any silicon vendor out there hawking their wares knows what the benchmarks are doing and will do "what ever it takes" to either explain away the bad marks and figure out how to make their silicon look better. It becomes a gray area when you start tweaking just to tweak as opposed to adding anything of real value.
I've worked in the PC industry more years than I care to think about. All graphic card vendors tweak their drivers and bios to make their cards look better. If people didn't put so much emphisis on benchmarks for buying decisions then there would not be much reason to tweak things but the reality of the world is they do.
On a side note, me and my team many, many years ago designed, what was at the time, one of the fastest chip sets for the blinding new 12 Mhz 386 PC. We had discovered that the Norton SI program that everyone was using to benchmark PC's based most of it's performance on a small 64 Byte (yes, that is not a typo 64 BYTE) loop. We had considered putting a 64 byte cache in our memory controller chip but our ethos won at the end of the day as cleary what we would have done would have been discovered and the benchmark would have been rewritten. Had we done it however, for our 15 mins of fame our benchmarks would have been something crazy like 10x or 100x better than anything out there.
I've been an engineer for 28 years. My Christmas bonus from the company this year was to get laid off. In my local area (Phoenix) There are hundreds of engineers who have been tossed out in the last 6 months with no end in sight.
I'm not sorry I became an engineer but I have no desire to return to the field even if there were some jobs, which of course, there are not.
All of the companies are moving to small management teams and are outsourcing everything, mostly over seas to Taiwan and India. This country will never learn. First we did it with manufacturing and now we are doing it with engineering. Douglass Adams was right, we are going to be nothing but a bunch of Phone Sanatizers and we will all be in the first arc to go.
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Let's call it BHBCWB - Butthead Bios Company Web Browser....
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Stupid conference was a looser anyway. Just a boondogle for exec's to drink together on the company's money and get laid....
You want to jack yourself in and ignore the world? Have at it. I could care less.
I'm not asking anyone to do or see things my way. I've just had enough of technology. Been working in it for more than I care to think about. Is the world a better place because of it? Maybe. Maybe not.
Keep your perspective is all I'm saying.
As far as questioning motives, I'm not questioning anyone's motive's.
Humans already have loads of free time now and what do we do? We piss it away watching Jerry Springer and WWF eating cheezy poof's on the sofa turning into fat slobs.
For me, I'd rather spend a little more time outside and with real people instead of wiring myself more than I already am.
Technology has it's place...serving me not usurping me.
A billion of these buggers out there and the still work like crap. How many bazillion hours have all of us wasted, reformatting hard drives, reinstalling drivers, yada, yada, yada
Hopefully maybe by 2 billion we will have a product that really servers users rather than abuse them.
Well it's been a million years so what is the answer?
To what question?
What do you mean what question? The answer to life, the world, the universe and everything?
Your not going to like it!
What do you mean I'm not going to like it? Tell me the answer.
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Not true at the moment. These simulations were run on RedHat 6.2 running on 1Ghz PIII's. EDA vendors are currently dumping all NT support like crazy and jumping to support Linux. Most chip suppliers are setting up massive (100's of PC's running Linux) simulation farms for the above reason. PC's are cheap. Linux is great and for EDA apps it screams compared to SUN solutions. SUN makes nice machines and great OS's. Just way out of line in a cost/performance tradeoff.
I don't know why you buy computers for, but we buy them to run our applications. I don't give a flying f*#& about benchmarks, CPU speed, Cache and any other dribble PC manufactures or reviewers or dipshits like yourself spew about. What I care about is getting the job done as fast as possible and as cheap as possible. For MY work and MY applications that solve MY problems, Intel machines running Linux perform at a cost
performance ratio 6x to 8x better than anything SUN makes. YOUR milage may vary. Your intelligence or lack thereof will help keep SUN around. Go ahead an flush your $$$ away. You've obviously flushed your brains away.
I don't know what APPLICATIONS you people are running but it seems all you are comparing are SPEC marks. We run Cadence Verilog and Synopsys synthesis on our Dell PIII 1Ghz machines and they blow the frigging doors of all of our SPARC's. For IC design applications at least 64Bit vs 32 Bit is a non issues as most of the apps are not compiled for 64bits. Performance is mostly just CPU clock speed so a 1Ghz PIII runs at just over 2x a Sun Ultra 450. Given that there is about a 3-4x difference in cost and about a 2x performance bonus you get about a 6x-8x cost/performance benifit. I'll take Intel machines all day long. Sun better wake up or they are going to lose the CAD market. Course, I don't think they really care about that one anyway.
No...I know very much both what WPA was and what it did. I use the term only as a metaphor. On one hand I have to take my hat off to Motorola in raising so much money for such an outlandish scheme. I honestly don't believe that was their original intent......mostly.....but that is the way it worked out. Problem is that in making such a public joke out of it, it is going to make it that much harder for anyone with a serious business plan to make anything similar, even if it could work.
Who I really feel bad for is the engineers and people that worked on it. You put your heart and soul into something wanting to believe in it. They were all led off a cliff........
If it works like most big companies the leaders that promoted it within the company were probably all promoted and given bonuses. Anyone who actually did the work but pointed out the holes in the program were probably "reassigned" or asked to leave. The investors, well, I believe it was either P.T. Barnum or W.C. Fields that said "Never give a sucker an even break"
This stupid project has been nothing but a WPA program from the start. The government division of Motorola was running out of projects with peace breaking out when the wall came down. They dream up this scam, form a consortium and get about 9B$ of OPM and SHOCK of SHOCKS, they are the prime to build the satellites!! Hmmmm seems like a good way to keep people employed for a while. Now as they build the hardware they slowly divest themselves of the whole thing so that at operations time they are only a minor share holder in the whole kit and kabodle......point is they ain't got no down side. Don't believe me........check their stock lately? A bone headed idea from the start.....let it burn.
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I've got a 9600 radeon on my other machine and I don't get the screwy red lines but sometimes on boot it just goes blank, sleep mode issue again I suspect. I find that if I just do a cntl-alt F2 for an alternate session and then do a cntl-alt F7 it usually comes back.
I like linux a lot more than windows, but these pesky little annoyances frustrate the bejeasus out of me.
Thanks, I'll try this. I want to run it in the native resolution for the monitor which is 1600x1200. If the standard radeon driver works this way I'll bag the ATI driver. I don't need any acceleration for what I'm doing and I'd rather have the resolution and clearity of the dvi input rather than the dsub.
Piss me off. Got a Dell 2001FP to work with a second machine I set up. Figured for what I needed I didn't need to get a 9600 so I went for a 9200 only to find out that for some reason the DVI output is hosed. After some googling found no one else can seem to make it work either. Not a hardware problem as it works fine in windows. Never again for ATI.....
I think not but it has been so long. I was design manager at VLSI Technology. We made a 12Mhz chipset which was our first, I thought for the 386 but it may have been for the 286. Our chip set was used by IBM for their "reentry" back into the ISA bus channel PC's after their big micro-channel effort resulted in them loosing half of their market share by dropping the ISA box for a while.
The cache comment is correct, regardless of the CPU it was going to work with. We reversed engineered the Norton SI benchmark and found out what it was doing. We were tempted but did not go forward as it would have been a useless feature. Point is, any silicon vendor out there hawking their wares knows what the benchmarks are doing and will do "what ever it takes" to either explain away the bad marks and figure out how to make their silicon look better. It becomes a gray area when you start tweaking just to tweak as opposed to adding anything of real value.
I've worked in the PC industry more years than I care to think about. All graphic card vendors tweak their drivers and bios to make their cards look better. If people didn't put so much emphisis on benchmarks for buying decisions then there would not be much reason to tweak things but the reality of the world is they do.
On a side note, me and my team many, many years ago designed, what was at the time, one of the fastest chip sets for the blinding new 12 Mhz 386 PC. We had discovered that the Norton SI program that everyone was using to benchmark PC's based most of it's performance on a small 64 Byte (yes, that is not a typo 64 BYTE) loop. We had considered putting a 64 byte cache in our memory controller chip but our ethos won at the end of the day as cleary what we would have done would have been discovered and the benchmark would have been rewritten. Had we done it however, for our 15 mins of fame our benchmarks would have been something crazy like 10x or 100x better than anything out there.
I've been an engineer for 28 years. My Christmas bonus from the company this year was to get laid off. In my local area (Phoenix) There are hundreds of engineers who have been tossed out in the last 6 months with no end in sight.
I'm not sorry I became an engineer but I have no desire to return to the field even if there were some jobs, which of course, there are not.
All of the companies are moving to small management teams and are outsourcing everything, mostly over seas to Taiwan and India. This country will never learn. First we did it with manufacturing and now we are doing it with engineering. Douglass Adams was right, we are going to be nothing but a bunch of Phone Sanatizers and we will all be in the first arc to go.
Let's call it BHBCWB - Butthead Bios Company Web Browser....
Stupid conference was a looser anyway. Just a boondogle for exec's to drink together on the company's money and get laid....
Timeshare for one and all...just be sure you hook up with our new and improved USB chicklett keyboard....
Love is grand......
Divorce is 100 grand....
You want to jack yourself in and ignore the world? Have at it. I could care less.
I'm not asking anyone to do or see things my way. I've just had enough of technology. Been working in it for more than I care to think about. Is the world a better place because of it? Maybe. Maybe not.
Keep your perspective is all I'm saying.
As far as questioning motives, I'm not questioning anyone's motive's.
Humans already have loads of free time now and what do we do? We piss it away watching Jerry Springer and WWF eating cheezy poof's on the sofa turning into fat slobs.
For me, I'd rather spend a little more time outside and with real people instead of wiring myself more than I already am.
Technology has it's place...serving me not usurping me.
A sucker is born every minute....
A billion of these buggers out there and the still work like crap. How many bazillion hours have all of us wasted, reformatting hard drives, reinstalling drivers, yada, yada, yada
Hopefully maybe by 2 billion we will have a product that really servers users rather than abuse them.
Well it's been a million years so what is the answer?
To what question?
What do you mean what question? The answer to life, the world, the universe and everything?
Your not going to like it!
What do you mean I'm not going to like it? Tell me the answer.
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Not true at the moment. These simulations were run on RedHat 6.2 running on 1Ghz PIII's. EDA vendors are currently dumping all NT support like crazy and jumping to support Linux. Most chip suppliers are setting up massive (100's of PC's running Linux) simulation farms for the above reason. PC's are cheap. Linux is great and for EDA apps it screams compared to SUN solutions. SUN makes nice machines and great OS's. Just way out of line in a cost/performance tradeoff.
I don't know why you buy computers for, but we buy them to run our applications. I don't give a flying f*#& about benchmarks, CPU speed, Cache and any other dribble PC manufactures or reviewers or dipshits like yourself spew about. What I care about is getting the job done as fast as possible and as cheap as possible. For MY work and MY applications that solve MY problems, Intel machines running Linux perform at a cost performance ratio 6x to 8x better than anything SUN makes. YOUR milage may vary. Your intelligence or lack thereof will help keep SUN around. Go ahead an flush your $$$ away. You've obviously flushed your brains away.
I don't know what APPLICATIONS you people are running but it seems all you are comparing are SPEC marks. We run Cadence Verilog and Synopsys synthesis on our Dell PIII 1Ghz machines and they blow the frigging doors of all of our SPARC's. For IC design applications at least 64Bit vs 32 Bit is a non issues as most of the apps are not compiled for 64bits. Performance is mostly just CPU clock speed so a 1Ghz PIII runs at just over 2x a Sun Ultra 450. Given that there is about a 3-4x difference in cost and about a 2x performance bonus you get about a 6x-8x cost/performance benifit. I'll take Intel machines all day long. Sun better wake up or they are going to lose the CAD market. Course, I don't think they really care about that one anyway.
No...I know very much both what WPA was and what it did. I use the term only as a metaphor. On one hand I have to take my hat off to Motorola in raising so much money for such an outlandish scheme. I honestly don't believe that was their original intent......mostly.....but that is the way it worked out. Problem is that in making such a public joke out of it, it is going to make it that much harder for anyone with a serious business plan to make anything similar, even if it could work.
Who I really feel bad for is the engineers and people that worked on it. You put your heart and soul into something wanting to believe in it. They were all led off a cliff........
If it works like most big companies the leaders that promoted it within the company were probably all promoted and given bonuses. Anyone who actually did the work but pointed out the holes in the program were probably "reassigned" or asked to leave. The investors, well, I believe it was either P.T. Barnum or W.C. Fields that said "Never give a sucker an even break"
This stupid project has been nothing but a WPA program from the start. The government division of Motorola was running out of projects with peace breaking out when the wall came down. They dream up this scam, form a consortium and get about 9B$ of OPM and SHOCK of SHOCKS, they are the prime to build the satellites!! Hmmmm seems like a good way to keep people employed for a while. Now as they build the hardware they slowly divest themselves of the whole thing so that at operations time they are only a minor share holder in the whole kit and kabodle......point is they ain't got no down side. Don't believe me........check their stock lately? A bone headed idea from the start.....let it burn.