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Phoenix To Change Name
e8johan writes "Phoenix, the Mozilla-based web browser, is forced to change name. The new name has not yet been decided, but it is being
discussed
. The reason is that the BIOS manufacturer
Phoenix Technologies
dislikes the trademark infrigment. Next week version 0.5 will be released, with a new name."
It's important to note that this has been debated on and off in the Phoenix community for quite some time. Many of the users and theme developers are quite opposed to Phoenix changing its name, but the developers insist that it's a necessary evil. A proposal for the name change on the MozillaZine board spanned into a 20-page discussion.
Whatever they finally decide upon, it's going to take quite a while to win the approval of the users.
They should drop that silly X suffix that everyone is using and revert to their original name - Phoeni.
And there was me thinking you couldn't trademark actual words. Ignorant or what.
I'm sure the browser has many more users than BIOS, since I've NEVER seen a computer with Phoenix bios.
Does this mean that I can never use "Apple" as a name for my program?
How about "Internet Browsing Masterpiece"? Call it IBM for short.
Haven't we seen this before! (Windows!)
... as the only thing that can rise out of the ashes of a phoenix is another phoenix!
AnotherPhoenix(tm) just doesn't have quite the same ring however...
It has to be Mozuki. Mozilla, Mozilla....and Mozuki.
Stick Men
people are accidentally wandering onto their website, and they're afraid people might actually recognize their name again *grin*
A year spent in artificial intelligence is enough to make one believe in God.
Maybe Arizona should sue Phoenix Technologies for using the Phoenix name. Of course then we'll have the Greeks suing Arizona for stealing the name and then maybe Egypt will sue Greece, Arizona, and Phoenix Technologies in an effort to claim what is rightfully theirs.
We can only hope an actual Phoenix doesn't show up to claim what belongs to him/her/it.
How about "Award"? Hmm, maybe not... "AMI"! Nah, that won't work either...
Slashdot's first reaction to VMware
Next week version 0.5 will be released, with a new name
Like "Version 0.6"?
Personally I would go for "Feenicks"
I am a Karma Library.
How about Fawkes?
He has lived 3000 years ago and already used the word Phoenix :-)
How about "The browser formerly known as Phoenix"?
naah sig schmig
Redmond!
before we get into flaming phoenix (bios) let's just say phoenix (the browser) is pre-1.0 and so is the name.
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How about Mothra? Since they kinda compete.
"God fights on the side with the best artillery." - Napoleon, Marshal of France - speaking truth to power
"The reason is that the BIOS manufacturer Phoenix Technologies dislikes the trademark infrigment[sic]."
That should say that Phoenix Technologies dislikes the perceived trademark infringement. Whether or not there is actual trademark infringement in this case is very disputable.
www.timcoleman.com is a total waste of your time. Never go there.
Mozilla: I shall call him Mini-me!
and yes, it is a dupe.
I mean...both have to do with computers, Phoenix (the BIOS manufacturer) has been around for a long time, and I can see that they don't really like their name being used for something entirely different - which might confused people who don't know much about computers - like 'hey my computer also says Phoenix when it boots up, so it must be this same company'.
I mean: the KIllustrator vs. Adobe Illustrator thing some time ago was a bit weird, because Illustrator can be seen as a more general word that can't be trademarked.
However, in this case we are talking about the exact same name being used for different products - and it's not like 'Phoenix' is a generally used, meaningfull word that shouldn't be trademarked, in my opinion.
Every expression is true, for a given value of 'true'
It's a shame that Phoenix Technologies invented the word first.
Can they sue the ancient Greeks for trademark infringement? I'll bet there's big money in that.
Music wants to be free.
Here is a a browser that doesnt lack merit, so maybe we could change its name to the Award Browser?
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Isn't there a limit to what you can claim as infringement? If they were making their own BIOS chips and calling them "Phoenix", I could understand. But AFAIK, Phoenix Technologies doesn't make web browsers. If I made a soft drink called "Phoenix", I somehow don't think it would bother them as much...
You can only trademark English words to a certain extent... otherwise people could trademark the word "computer" and start collecting on every use.
But just call it the Browser formerly known as Phoenix.
How the hell ?
Phoenix is not a BIOS but a damn sexy browser, do Phoenix X plan to sell a BIOS-based web browser ?
Trolling using another account since 2005.
Let's call it BHBCWB - Butthead Bios Company Web Browser....
"TV, a medium as it is neither rare nor well done." Ernie Kovacs
Phoenix is a general word, the first occurences could be found in Egyptian writings and the works of Homer which date back around 1000 BC, I wonder how stupid the person was who granted this word as a trademark. He obviously didnt have school degree worth the paper it was written on.
I've NEVER seen a computer with Phoenix bios.
Heard of the "Award Modular BIOS"? That's a Phoenix BIOS as well.
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Leprechaun
Kirin
Unicorn
Gelatinous Cube
Rust Monster
Jabberwocky
C'thulu (doesn't count but who wouldn't love a browser named C'thulu?)
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If Jesus wants me it knows where to find me.
Hate to tell you this, but trademarks are allowed to be _real words_, y'know. Just because stones have rolled for millennia doesn't mean you can expect to call the browser Rolling Stone.
BZZT! Wrong! You can call the browser Rolling Stone. You cannot however, start a band called rolling stone, or sell music under a label called rolling stone. When will people learn that a trademark is a narrow thing? Phoenix bios is a software product, like the-browser-formally-known-as-phoenix, so it's fair enough they complained.
Send lawyers, guns, and money!
It outdates the browser by quite a bit, and has worked hard to built a reputable brand for itself. Everyone I know has at least heard of Phoenix bios, and it would be a huge disaster for them if the Phoenix name in association with computers would intuitively refer to a browser instead of their BIOS.
Bottomline is that they should have thought about this before they named their browser phoenix.
'nuff said.
Anyway, how about Internet Navigator? I think having a name that tells you what it does is a good start for converting n00bs.
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Such as Parrot, turkey and chicken ... yeah.
Phi-nix (where phi is the greek letter).
I think it should be called...
Microsoft Internet Explorer 7
then people will not only understand what it is, but they will go ahead and download it.
Know what I like about atheists? I've yet to meet one that believes God is on their side.
Well, I don't care what the name is. I like Phoenix.
I recently installed Windows on my spare laptop for some sega emulation. I needed a browser with tabs - I use Galeon on Linux usually - and Phoenix is great!!
Juln
Am I the only one who has visions of a Phoenix Bios rising from the ashes of a fried motherboard?
This isn't a duplicate story but rather a follow-up, announcing that the Ph??n?x project is no longer "considering" a name change but has, in fact, decided to change its name. Should have been a Slashback.
Moral: Always do a first level trademark search before you decide on a name for your software package.
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The fact that they are different products is the reason why it is not trademark infrengment. Yes, they are both related to computers, but they do two entirely different things.
It was me, I did it, I moved your cheese
like...RIAA - Refactored Internet Access Application.
;)
Yup, no grounds for anyone not in the software business to complain about that name
Why not just re-name it to GNU/Phoenix. ;)
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Lake Havasu
Parker
Window Rock
See, still plenty to choose from
C'mon that would be like calling some software "Microsoft Works".
Free as in mason.
would never in my right mind think that Phoenix web browser was out trying to compete with Phoenix Technologies. The business world is just really brutal and damaging to the technology world. But any how they do such a damn fine job with their web browser, maybe now they can look into venturing into developing a PC Bios (Phoenix:web browser based PC Bios "we *really* ignite technology!")
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Luckily, no insane organization called itself Gozilla or something. Otherwise, Mozilla will not be serving either... What's the fish.
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Don't give it a name. Just let people pick their own. It'll be like naming a new pet.
Phoenix *BIOS* has nothing to do with Phoenix *browser*. The two names do not create confusion, so Mozilla folks can use the name. A tradamark applies to one specific area. This is wy we have Macintosh apples and Macintosh computers, or, more recently, Windows XP and Athlon XP.
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If you think big enough, you'll never have to do it.
Pheonix?
Baz
Legally, the Phoenix browser does not infringe on Phoenix Technologies' trademark any more than the University of Phoenix, the City of Phoenix (or even the City of Phoenix). However, notice they said "The kind folks over at phoenix.com" - Phoenix Technologies has every right to be unhappy about about the Phoenix browser, and if they have politely asked the name to be changed, then this really isn't a legal issue. The Phoenix browser can be renamed simply to be nice.
:-)
IANAL, and I have no idea what I'm talking about. This is Slashdot after all.
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Jesus christ - to you and all the other retards out there saying 'but can you trademark English words? This is scandalous'. OFF COURSE YOU CAN
Ford, Skittles, Corona, Camel... Need any more examples. The guy who gave this trademark may not have all the degrees you appear to boast about having, but HE KNOWS WHAT A FUCKING TRADEMARK IS. You protect a word in a certain domain (in this case Phoenix in computers) to stop other people leeching your notoriety. Words can be trademarked many ways (Camel for cancer causing tobacco sticks and also for Perl books). All the dumbnuts who suggested that Phoenix made BIOS and not web browsers so couldn't hold a TM on web browsers called Phoenix have just missed the point. Ford made a black car shaped like a model T, but they didn't get a trademark on black cars shaped like model Ts, they got a trademark on the generic group, cars. Microsoft don't make firewalls, but that doesn't mean I could make one and call it MS Word.
Phoenix, AZ has been called that way for decades before even the concept of a BIOS was born.
Why should this 3 million citizens city have to change name because of a stupid company that has only name recognition among nerds anyway ?
And what should they call it instead ? Arizona City ?
Ridiculous.
The fact that they are different products
On the one hand, you have PhoenixBIOS and Award Modular BIOS, both products of Phoenix Technologies. Phoenix sells BIOS products that contain a ROM based web browser, designed for use in Web access terminals.
On the other hand, you have LinuxBIOS plus a ROM filesystem containing an X server and a web browser based on Mozilla code. This could possibly work in a Web access terminal.
So which is a "Phoenix BIOS"?
Now do you see why Phoenix Technologies is getting so upset?
Will I retire or break 10K?
I mean: the KIllustrator vs. Adobe Illustrator thing some time ago was a bit weird, because Illustrator can be seen as a more general word that can't be trademarked.
What, like Windows?
Phroenix
(Look at the "headers.")
Slashdot's token middle-aged housewife
Internet Information Searcher (IIS)
Phoenix Is No Bios (PINB)
Better Internet Organizing System (BIOS)
ah well,
other will make up many more.
Why are other peoples sig's always more witty ???
A company once sued for copyright infringement (for alledgedly copying the IBM BIOS) now becomes the one suing...
That'd have my vote, in fact I was just about to suggest it myself! It might serve as a lesson to companies whose legal departments take too strong a leaning to the assinine.
On the other hand it might be more advertising, good or bad, than they've gotten in a long time.
Everything will be taken away from you.
Could it be Phoenix Mail? It is computer related, it does have the word Phoenix in it... and more strangely, it has been available much longer than Phoenix the browser without any action taken on them by Phoenix Bios.
Or is there a selective method of choosing so-called infringers?
Welley Corporation - SLM Scammers
Newt - small cute and fast!
There is a program called GoZilla! that's a download manage I believe. And, the Mozilla people have been under a bit of pressure from the Godzilla folks.
Does this make my phoenix browser a collectors item now?
Don't Tread on Me
Salamander is a very good name. It's a mythological creature related to fire, like Phoenix, and it's a lizard, like Mozilla.
I hope that, if they change the name, they use this one.
Prescriptive grammar:linguistics
... you've got to call it "Itty Bitty Mozilla!"
~Philly
Kirin: A mythological beast from China and Japan similar to a Dragon (sort of a cross between a unicorn and a dragon). This is the only decent reference I could find. Fits in with the theme (grand mythical beasts with supernatural powers) of Mozilla and Phoenix. One legend has it that a Kirin was the father of Confucious ...
...)
(It's also a beer from Japan - but presumably they can't claim copyright since it's a common word and there isn't too much link between software and beer
Both having to do with computers didn't cut the mustard with the judge who threw out Microware Systems Corporation's suit against Apple over Mac OS 9, despite Microware's trademark on "OS-9," use of the name OS-9 since 1980, and Macintosh users who to this day post Macintosh questions on comp.os.os9 and nearly universally refer to that version of the Macintosh operating system as "OS 9".
Since they are not in the same market, and from what i see, not 'playing' on the otehrs success to trick people.. no real dispute here.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Trademarks infringe on YOU!
All of a sudden they became irrelevant. Does this slashdot article have anything to do with it? LinuxBIOS
Mozilla Lite seems like a good name to me.
Not flashy but it explains what it is nicely.
...PNP?
or: 'Phoenix's Not The Other Phoenix' PNTOP?
or: Phoenix Ain't Phoenix (PAP)?
or even better: Phoenix Ain't Phoenix So Moveon Electronic Assembler Representatives! (PAP SMEAR)?
Okay. I'm going back to making turkey now. (Instead of corn.)
...Browzilla
...because Flagstaff doesn't want to share their name, either.
~Idarubicin
... they should call it "Browser".
But don't forget to trademark it.
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Et saeculis miris actis etiam Mors perierit
Seriously. I wish someone would have the balls to stand up and fight this kind of crap. Hell, if we all started crap flooding Phoenix.com's email inboxes with hate letters, they might give up on pressuring the Phoenix browser team.
/. every day, the more angry I get and the more I see that the system is failing the people entirely.
Let's face it, the courts generally don't care about you unless you have money or influence. So now we must take our battle against greedy and stupid corporations to the streets, or at least the net. Its not right we have to resort to this, but the more I read
Its time to take it back the only way we have left, though a massive grassroots campaign to fill their boxes with angry letters and to push every negative thing about that company into the limelight as much as possible until they cave in to our rightful demands that they use some fucking common sense.
--Won't that be grand? Computers and the programs will start thinking and the people will stop. - Dr. Walter Gibbs
and make it a stylized E that is NOT like Microsofts. then people will call it Ie and we all can roll it out corperate wide without the Idiots running It knowing any better.
Remember, anything you can do that goes against the IDIOTS in IT the better....
Please use unique names for your programs. You can't imagine the hassles is causes when a word used in the area you are researching gets used by a popular game or app. Please make up something new, and if the big dictionaries, encyclopedias, and search engines can't recognize it, use that instead.
WARNING: goatse.cx
Phoenix is a word thousands of years old, it has been used in mythology, in movies, to name places, as a last name, and in many other places. The word and idea have been around long before copyright and trademark and therefore should not be able to have trademark rights at all. This is like M$ tring to copyright generic words to describe their software like windows, word, notepad, etc. Good thing those cases lost, we would have to have to pay royalties whether we bought windows 9x or double hung Anderson's.
The only reason this is enforceable is because the lawyers of america will do any dirty trick in the book and be able to win the case. It has been proven that you can get away with murder if you have enough $$.
Again, lawyers are ruining America. Every day is another day where they harm our rights. This process can only be stopped with an armed revolution.
Internet Exploiter 0.6?
The city of Phoenix has also been asked to change it's name.
When asked for comment one of the locals said "what is a BIOS?"
I am writing to protest the request by your company that the people who have created the Phoenix internet web browser change the name of their product. There is no likelihood of confusion between the Phoenix browser and your BIOS products. The Phoenix browser does not even make money. It is an open-source product. It bears no relation to your products. It does not dilute your trademark any more than Phoenix, Arizona or references to Phoenix the mythological creature. The word Phoenix existed for thousands of years prior to your company's existence.
Your action comes off as high-handed and unnecessary meddling and I politely and respectfully request that you withdraw your demand.
I think it would be more reasonable for all concerned to clarify their trademarks: you are Phoenix Technologies and you sell the Phoenix BIOS. They are Phoenix.ORG and they provide the Phoenix Browser. If this clarification is made, why not permit the continued use of the names? They could call it the Phoenix.ORG browser.
Call it Tucson, just down the road.
You never made a decent BIOS anyway.
It can take a lifetime to gain a customer and only a moment to lose one. Adobe should be good company for you. Keep up the good work.
What, like Windows?
:P
Yes, much like Windows.
Last time I checked, Microsoft doesn't have a copyright/Trademark on the word Windows....
I mean, when I type 'XFree86 -version' I still see 'XFree86 Version 4.2.0 / X Window System' so it must still be legal, right?
Every expression is true, for a given value of 'true'
How's this for a precedent:
"Whether a mark is sufficiently distinctive to be capable of being diluted is a similarly open-ended question, and a mark's position on the "spectrum" of distinctiveness will not be dispositive.81 Even well-known, inherently distinctive marks may be incapable of being diluted if there is extensive third-party use. Under this theory, Domino's Pizza, Inc., successfully argued that its mark DOMINO'S for pizza delivery services did not dilute Amstar's arbitrary and famous mark DOMINO for sugar.82"
Google turned up 6,190,000 matches for "Phoenix", btw.
Time is what keeps everything from happening all at once.
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The true probleme for Phoenix Technologies, is that they have an Internet Browser too, check thise +rescu e/fw_connect.htm
:)
http://www.phoenix.com/en/products/firstwar
The fun question is : is that browser based on gecko ?
Soaring trough the web at warp speed 5.
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Soar Soar, v. i. (A"eronautics)
To fly by wind power; to glide indefinitely without loss of
altitude.
HTTP/1.1 400
Is that they name it "Trademark" and trademark it.
Slashdot: Failed Car Analogies. Amateur Lawyering. Anecdote Battles.
How about "Microzilla", seems to convey that it is a micro version of Mozilla.
Here are some other suggestions from the story the first time it was posted.
And what should they call it instead ? Arizona City ?
The two leading canidates are "West Scottsdale" and "Ahwatukee North." I expect there will be a couple of dozen propositions the next few general elections till it all gets sorted out.
-- MarkusQ
How about just adding a silent "K" or an extra "X" to the end? KPhoenix Phoenixx
The new name shall be PIMP - PIMP Is Maybe Phoenix
"A smaller Mozilla"
Name shows the connection to Mozilla
Name hints a smaller Mozilla
Will attrcat Latino users
or patents, MUST be defended, or you can lose the trademark.
This is why you see so many Trademark infringement cases, they MUST be defended, or the owner risks losing the trademark.
The spanish equivalent.
Like:
MNM - MNM is Not Mozilla.
My first recommendation would be for them to contact the EFF and have them look over whatever letter they got for it. If they simply got a nicely worded letter, they can nicely ignore it and wait for an actual cease and desist before even worrying about this.
I don't think Phoenix BIOS has a leg to stand on because of one simple thing, they have to prove that the other party's use of their trademark could potentially cause confusion in the marketplace. Nobody with a brain is going to go looking for a BIOS and try and install the Phoenix browser on their chip, and likewise they won't try and check out the latest slashdot headline with a BIOS, so I think it would be an easy task for a lawyer to prove that the marketplace for the two products is not the same, and therefore no potential confusion.
Of course, as someone pointed out, in a legal system where you have to pay your lawyer tax any time you want to defend yourself, lots of stupid things happen because people can't afford to defend themselves. Donate to the EFF this holiday season, and buy yourself some freedom for years to come.
How about Feenicks?
That would be (very) funny. Of course, that would have to depend on the Japanese goodwill. But since they let Disney copy everything but the original words, I think there's hope...
Another idea would be Perman. At least, his symbol looks like a P.
TBFKAP
I like that
A sig is redundant.
Can you have trademark on fantasy animals names which have already existed more than (i don't know how many years?). They are having a trademark on something they didn't invent. Sounds weird. Think about it. Next thing you know D&D is having the change their Monsters Manuals...
This is a formal letter. Please cease and desist the use of the word "trademark", hereafter referred as "trademark".
-- Note: If you don't agree with me, don't bother replying. I won't read it.
It's obvious that Phoenix was chosen expressly for the purposes of fomenting controversy and a slashdotting. For this very reason I cannot in good conscience recommend any product created by manipulative open sores "programmers." It's time to draw a line in the sand. It's time for the technocratic dorks to assume their share of responsibility in the community of moral beings. It is time to nail the ESRs and the RMSes to the cross or, at the very least, poke their fatty flesh with a sharp stick.
If it's a lighter weight implementation of the Mo-zilla browser, wouldn't that make it Lesszilla? :)
Liquor
Sanity is a highly overrated commodity.
TINNAPB
For This Is Not Named After Phoenix BIOSYou keep going until you die..."Me".
Hydra would be a nice name too. And it is sort of a dragon (many headed monster/serpent)... Kind of goes along with the naming scheme (Chimera, Mozilla..)
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..Phoenux?
From http://www.spywareinfo.com/
"Some weeks ago, the developer for the Phoenix browser posted to the project's message boards that they had been contacted by Phoenix Tech about their use of their "trademark". Apparently Phoenix Tech claims to have trademarked the word "Phoenix".
I emailed Phoenix Tech to ask them under what name and/or number did they have the word "phoenix" registered since I could not find it at the patent office. I asked them what legal actions they intended to take in regards to the Phoenix browser. I asked them what they intended to do about all of these organizations, who also use the word "phoenix". Would you be shocked to discover that they refused to answer?"
kedi
Well, at least they're both lightweight...
I've heard a lot of discussion that phoenix will be rename "Skyhoper." (Thank you voices in my head for the input)
Actually... there's a download utility called GoZilla.
They should call it "Speedy Gonzales" or just "Gonzales" ... andale andale andale!!
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This is petty and stupid. If Phoenix (the web browser) was a piece of computer hardware -THEN- I could understand why Phoenix (the bios guys) would have issue. But it's not.
I mean, it's a fricken WEB BROWSER. And a free one at that! Like.. really. Give me a break. =)
... they should call it just "Internet 7".
Also helps building the user-base.
Who'da thunk i'd be able to run my fav. browser and have it also be a tribute to my name... And now they have to change it. Drat... Well... Here are some suggestions based on names people have given me that are 'close' to mine:
...
:P
Peenix
Phonox
Fenix
P
Fee
Or forget all those names and be REAL cool... Choose my name instead! ComeON! If Lindows can get away with it DaPhoenix can get away with it...
"Hey dude? Whats that awesome web browser your running? "
"DaPhoenix"
(and then i'd have a browser that was REALLY named after me)
-- -=innocent ramblings from the mind of an insomniatic programmer=-
How about 'Mozita' :)
the "-1, Wrong" mod category?
in the style of fat yorkshireman of imprecise but definitely not inconsiderate years, who has spent the majority of his life gorging himself on cigarettes and alcohol.
monkeh......monkeh.... tell us a story monkeh
this sig steers like a cow. and i can prove it
Mecha-Streisand!
http://rocknerd.co.uk
Back in the BBS days, it was a nifty 2-way transfer protocol. I believe the developer of Front Door was part of the team that made it.
How about we call it: - "The Browser formally Known as Phoenix".
I would say sorry to those who can't see that character, but you are actually the more fortunate.
tourettes
How about Thunderbird?
according to this it is the Aboriginal American's name for the phoenix myth.
Mozillai ?
why not just change how it's written..
it's spelled (afaik) feenix/feeniks/fenix in several languages..
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
...had the same name, there was always a big joke... we often spelled it "Feenicks".
FLR
I can't belive it's not microsoft internet explorer.
:) very very good beer
I propose:
"Phoenix the web browser, not PhoenixBios who are a bunch of fsckers"
- The unexamined life is not worth leading -
As I recall, it's not trademark infringement unless it falls into the same area, such that the average consumer could be confused by it. Furthermore, trademarks must be specified *at the time of registration* as to exactly what they cover, and that specification cannot be expanded without re-registering the trademark.
The only way I can see for Phoenix Tech to have a case is if their trademark registration is broad enough to cover just about any program that can be run on a computer (not just physical BIOS chips and not just BIOS code). Anyone actually looked up what theirs covers??
Phoenix BIOSs suck (IMO they're still stuck in the 386 era), so who'd want to be confused with them anyway!!
~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
What are the Feenicksian lawyers lake?
Pretty tough, given that they have the full backing of Lucasfilm and News Corporation.
Could we take them?
Given that both those who are Fox and those who aren't Fox are out to get us, I don't think we have much of a chance against a movie studio.
Will I retire or break 10K?
How long before Mozilla has to change their logo because it's a pretty blatant theft of the Toronto Raptors logo? (NBA basketball team, for those who don't know)
Tuus crepidae innexilis sunt.
... one of the things about trademark laws is that it's a bit of a land rush. Since the city of Phoenix has never (to my knowledge) filed a trademark application for "Phoenix" for computer software, hardware or services, then I'm afraid the city will have to change it's name. :-) No, seriously, if a company in Phoenix wanted to set up a software company called Phoenix Software, then there *could* be a conflict, and it is up to the courts to finally adjudicate whether there could be potential confusion or "passing off". If I set up a company called "McDonalds Hard Cider" then even though McDonalds the restaurant chain don't sell or make hard cider, you can bet their lawyers would be buying new Mercedes with the profits!
...
Unconnected comment:
The International Brotherhood of Magicians (IBM) was around long before International Business Machines
Phoenobelix -- when one trademark infringement is not enough.
According to the latest legal findings, you are now thinking about a heavyset French gentleman who boots your PC whilst wielding a large stone (it is unclear whether or not you can still use the noun obelisk while online).
a burnt bird, just like five hundred years ago... jeez people, trademarks, copyrights, BLAH,BLAH,BLAH I could understand it if the web bowser made bios products, or the bios people made a web browser... apples to oranges
... to boycott products of Phoenix Technologies. This is stupid, but maybe "Bye-Oze" would be a good name.
.nosig
That's an appropriate bird for the season
Call it Phönix...
looks wired and the best: US lawyers can't sue you b/c they don't know how to write 'ö' with their keyboards.
What if the city of Phoenix decided that they liked the publicity that the Phoenix browser brought to the city and wanted them to keep the name? Could someone countersue Phoenix Technologies for trying to lock up what used to be a public domain name?
You're bound to be unhappy if you optimize everything. --Donald Knuth
Moilla? would that work
as in mo illa than IE
Could Greek historians sue Pheonix Technologies? ;-)
How about 'Gamera' or 'Mothra'? BTW, does anyone else here pronounce Mozilla "MOT-ZILLA"? I always thought it was a cross between mozzarella and Godzilla, so it made sense, but whenever I talk to people, they always say "Moh-zilla". Urgh.
Trademark Infrigment 0.5!
...that will probably be forced to change it's name soon, too.
sheesh!!!
Amy..?
What bullcrap. They should counter-sue. There is no dilution among people using either product.
Lawer to witness: "Phoenix is a browser currently used by and large solely by the technically elite. As a member of that class of persons, do you think this browser program is made by the people who make chips that start up your computer?"
I think we know what the witnesses would say, and as a peer suitable for a jury of peers, I know what I would say.
Why not use a unpronounciable symbol (as that ex-"Prince" wannabe does)?
I think they should go for something snappy that illustrates the simplicity and speed of the browser..
something like "Catalyst" maybe
Last.fm - join the social music revolution
How about Mozilla lite? Cause thats what it is.
OSS has won some past PR battles. Enough well written emails to Phoenix Technologies along with some good media articles might be enough to make Phoenix technologies change their mind.
The Program Formerly Known As Pheonix
IOException - Can't Speak
Isn't there a character named 'Phoenix' from the X-Men comics? Shouldn't Marvel be getting a piece of the action too?
The word PHOENIX has been around long before there were abacuses, let alone slide rules and computers. Also, Phoenix Technologies makes FIRMWARE not software. Or maybe I should call my friend, John Roberts, who founded Phoenix SYSTEMS, a maker of electronic gadgetry going back many decades, and tell him that there's a company called Phoenix Technologies infringing on HIS name. After all, turnabout is fair play........
Here's a practical suggestion. Phoenix Technologies browser product is called FirstWare Connect. Anyone of us working for a company that is considering this product should do everything they can to sabotage the purchase and use of this product until Phoenix Technologies discontinues this stupid course of action. It has worked with other moron companies. On another note, didn't I just see that the open source BIOS is now working?
But we can come up with other names that make sense too. How about something that harkens to the Netscape name (not so obviously that it presents a trademark issue of course). Example: Lightscape (or Litescape). Maybe that's too similar, and we should expand the search to related themes. Galeon used this approach for its name, which is a decent name. Some other cool ship name?
Something like K-meleon, on the other hand is a shitty name (if for no other reason than it's not only hard to spell and thus hard to search for and find on the web).
If you can find a mythological name that seems appropriate (has some associated imagery) and sounds decent rolling off the tongue then fine. Otherwise, we shouldn't limit ourselves to the mythological figures/Phoenix-alike names. I don't want this to end up as another open source project rendered inaccessible to a wide audience by a shitty name (think: Ogg Vorbis). I'll never be able to download and install something on my mother's computer if I have to tell her it's an Ogg Vorbis player.
Chibi-zilla
Mozilla Lite
Netscape 8
SINTH (Sinth Is Not Too Huge)
SINTHUM (Sinthum Is Not Too Huge Unlike Mozilla)
ASM (A Small Mozilla)
Phoenix the BIOS company actually does sell a web browser (FirstView Connect). Now it's targeted towards the embedded market, but how much more clear a trademark issue can you have here?
If Microsoft came out with an open source browser intended only for Windows use and called it MSzilla, people would be flipping their lids and crying foul.
This seems really dumb.
What's next?
Gecko electronics shuts down Netscape's Gecko?
The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either. - Benjamin Franklin
I propose a branch and a separate patch to replace all name occurences to "Phoenix".
Would the GPL allow a swedish chef patch to the documentation?
If we all throw a stink, maybe they'll back down.
The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either. - Benjamin Franklin
I think they should change the name
to "Trademark Violation". Then whenever
someone accuses another of trademark violation,
they can charge the accuser with violating
their trademark on Trademark violations.
Maybe a slashdot poll would be in order.
Textbooks and Open Educational Resources
PENIX??
Articulos para gente geek: Poleras, linux, libros y mas
Use Phoenix Technology's handy user feedback page and let them know what you think of them bullying our open source project:
Call it Komodo, if thats not the greatest name ever you can paint me red and i'll roar like a lizard.
This is a company that produces bios software. For once it's exactly the people on slashdot who have the power. Boycott Pheonix bios and mb's that use it, email Pheonix and let them know exactly what your doing and why. If you own an online storefront don't sell boards that use pheonix bios, if you work in a tech shop, don't sell machines with pheonix bios, don't build machines, refuse to consider machines with pheonix bios for the new computer lab or workstations. I'm willing to bet there are alot of slashdotters who control purchasing and selling power in this area... I know I do.
Choose one.
I would change the browser name to an unintelligable symbol, and go by "The browser formerly known as Phoenix" ....
Karma? Karma? I don't need no stinkin' karma.
Neither is Ford, Cheverolet or R.J. Reynolds. These are all just people's names.
General Electric isn't a "custom" name in the tradition of Exxon and Acura either and both words are dictionary words.
"Bob's Hoover Repair Shop" wouldn't be a custom name either, being a combination of a common proper noun and ordinary dictionary words.
Perhaps more to the point would be the name of an actual veterinary clinic not far from my home: "Honest Bob's Pet Repair Shop."
I'd wager there isn't another Honest Bob's Pet Repair Shop anywhere in the world. This phrase, made up of nothing more than a common name and common dictionary words is a legitimate trademark.
Historically there has been no problem with this concept. The problem has only arisen recently when rich and litigously agressive companies seek to claim *ownership* of a word due the their holding of a trademark.
This is pure bunk. Honest Bob's Pet Repair Shop does NOT have the exclusive right to the use of the word "pet" or "shop" or "Bob's," even with regard to other veterinary clinics. Nothing in either trademark law itself or the history of litigation over trademarks implies that right.
The trademark is for "Honest Bob's Pet Repair Shop" * as a whole.* As a whole it is a "custom" name.
To complicate matters using particular art may be a mark. That is, in fact, why it's called a trade*mark* rather than tradename. A common lawyer trick is to trademark a particular word displayed in a particular *way.* This appears to be what Phoenix Technologies has done. They have invented a "custom" font for the word Phoenix and trademarked it. Such a mark does *NOT* confer exclusive rights to the *word,* only the graphic in the abstract sense.
That doesn't stop the lawyers from waving around their trademark registration on the graphic and claiming exclusive rights to the word the graphic contains. Have YOU got the $20,000 and 5 years it would take to fight them? They do. In their case it's their job.
In your case it's your life ruined. Guess who wins?
Trust me, the lawyers ( at least the good ones, there are crappy lawyers who actually haven't a clue about legal philosophy. Go figure) are perfectly aware of all of this. They know they don't necessarily have a case ( in this instance they might because both companies deal with computer software) but take these threatening tactics anyway. Their company hired them to trample the opposition and that's what they do.
It isn't the fault of trademark law.
If anything it's the fault of the damned Judges, part of whose job is to throw out obviously bullshit complaints, or at least deal with them in a fairly summary fashion. Nowadays pretty much every doofey complaint gets the full dog and pony show and just the pretrial fillings alone in such a case are enough to break the average Joe.
KFG
I must have wandered into an alternate universe again.
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I think it's just a case of Phoenix envy.
Two companies can share the same name if its used for different purposes. Look at me - I have a trademark on MORPHEUS for the purpose of image manipulation, while some other company has a trademark for MP3/Music purposes.
Morphing Software
I like the name 'phoenix' because it is reborn from a bigger, older, mozilla.
;-) [http://uk.geocities.com/pottermovie/quizjava.htm]
What is the name of the phoenix in Harry Potter (2).
Some quizmaster must have been wondering the same.
What is the name of Dumbledores Phoenix?
1. Firebolt
2. Flamer
3. Fawkes
4. Fizz
Fawkes is the right answer, is that a good name for a lightweight webbrowser?
Another suggestion:
-Huma-
Huma means "phoenix" in Persian. It was a name that Baba used as a pen name. Whenever he wrote a poem he used this name. In both Persian and Egyptian mythology the story of the phoenix is similar. A phoenix is a bird that consumes itself by fire and is reborn from its ashes. It is also a merciful bird.
A Phoenix is like a bird with red and gold feathers and known to have a beautiful song. A Phoenix life span varies from different versions, 500 years, 540 years, 1000 years, 1461 years and even 12,9994 years. The Phoenix builds a nest and sets itself on fire and a new Phoenix springs from the pyre. In ancient Egypt the Phoenix represented the sun and in Greek Mythology it presents the early morning. Early Christian custom adopted the Phoenix as a symbol of immortality and resurrection and modern folklore uses the Phoenix as a sign of rebirth, renewal, and starting one more. There only exists one Phoenix at a time. One potential explanation for the Phoenix legend is that some large birds spread their wings over fires so that the smoke exterminates vermin.
If you mod this up, your slashdot background will turn into a beautiful sunset!
I feel they should re-name it to "Feenicks".
Mix the failings of Usenet with the shortcomings of the World Wide Web and the result is slashdot.
Ernie.
New name: Xienohp - Phoneix reversed.
I think there's a thing we should keep in mind before keep going with this discussion. Why do we download certain software, in this case, a browser? I think the most of the people download software because of its capabilities rather than because of its name. So we should not care about the final name if this browser is as powerful as everybody says.
I think they should use the name "Xenix" *.
:)
* It's a deceased Unixlike OS by... Microsoft, and the name sounds just like phoenix. After that Lindows case, I think they should try this one.
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Karma is overrated, whoring is ok.
Phoenix is going to include a web browser in their BIOS!
While it sucks that they have to change the name of the browser, it's cool that the project has gained enough recognition to even be noticed by the Phoenix BIOS people. It shows how good the word of mouth has been concerning Mozilla and its offshoots.
--They say only a fool looks at the finger pointing to the sky...
Suggestion: Hinotori (Phoenix in Japanese)
Besides, a classic manga (japanese comic) by Osamu Tezuka and game from Konami in 1987 based on the the same manga for the MSX 2 computer system. I doubt someone would sue because of this name.
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Karma is overrated, whoring is ok.
Google is great, but how about a real trademark search?
Stop worrying about the risks of nuclear power and start worrying about the risks of not using nuclear power.
I think we're all beginning to lose sight of the real issue here, which is: what are we going to call ourselves? Erm, and I think it comes down to a choice between "The League Against Salivating Monsters" or, my own personal preference, which is "The Committee for the Liberation and Integration of Terrifying Organisms and their Rehabilitation Into Society."
Erm, one drawback with that -- the abbreviation is "CLITORIS."
(I love Red Dwarf)
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Internet Explorer (n): Another bug -- that is, a feature that can't be turned off -- in Windows.
Since Sherlock and Watson are already taken, why not Colombo? It fits the bumbling, yet effective way that the Phoenix browser slowly searches and tries to find the "right answer" to our browsing needs....
> Phoenix BIOSs suck (IMO they're still stuck in the 386 era), so who'd want to be confused with them anyway!!
For the last three or so years, Phoenix BIOSs are internally just Award BIOSs.
... since "Phoenix" is, apparently, dead.
It was better than Space Invaders! I still play it on Mame sometimes. I had it on the Atari 2600 too!
(What? Pheonix BIOS? They think they have first dibs on the name?)
Um.... PRIOR ART?!?! I this consitutes a piece of software with the name that pre-dates the BIOS.
Mozilla + Phoenix = Mozoenix. Or Mozenix.
Phomoenix?
PH -> F
Phoenix -> FEONIX
Ph*ck them-> ????? them!
Artificial intelligence is the study of how to make real computers act like the ones in the movies.
But Phoenix (the company) also sells browsers.
...The reason is that the BIOS manufacturer Phoenix Technologies dislikes the trademark infrigment.
Phew!
I've lost track of the times I've restarted my machine, held down the delete key and tried to load up slashdot using the BIOS instead of the web browser by mistake. Now I can surf again without fear of making this foolish mistake!
Code, Hardware, stuff like that.
Oops, it isn't using GPL. Never mind...
Another lizard monster of mythology is the Basilisk. This bad fucker will turn its prey to stone with a gaze, like the Medusa. There's also a quite cool similarly named real-life lizard, which is capable of running across a water surface without sinking. Other fun mythological monsters that could perhaps make good browser names include the Roc (a gigantic bird, like a Phoenix), Fenris (the wolf monster of Norse mythology), or Jormangund. The latter might in fact be appropriate (although unfortunately long and difficult to pronounce), since Jormangund (also called "Midgaardsormen", the Midgaard Serpent) is a gigantic dragonlike serpent which encircles the realm of humans (Midgaard / Earth). I somehow like the association of a web browser with a creature that encircles the world.
Six sick
Wasn't Killustrator an obvious case of infringement?
Where Adobe has a vector based graphics program called Illustrator.
Where Killustrator is an open source vector based graphics program.
They could have called it Kill, and there would be no case for infringement.
Or they could have called it KVector. Or KPotato. Or Kantor. But they chose to call it Killustrator, which, remove the K, is a *trademarked* name. Now, if Killustrator was an open sourced Ogg Vorbis jukebox, there wouldn't be a problem because there's no way to confuse Killustrator Jukebox with Adobe Illustrator...
It's as if the browser was named PInternet Pexplorer. Hmmm.
Or if Microsoft made a game console called the Microsoft XPlayStation.
Hmmm.
GPL Deconstructed
Why not take the same approach? Call it "Project Phoenix" or "The Phoenix Project" and call the browser something bland? IIRC, a trademark only applies to exact wording - i.e. "The Phoenix Project(TM)" does not infringe on "Phoenix(TM)", even if they both are vaguely software-related in some way. At least it puts you in a defensible position. Just an idea anyway. Let me know if I am completely wrong. Obviously, Phoenix can still sue and argue trademark dilution if they really want, but they would have to prove that there's a reasonable chance for confusion. That seems difficult no matter what. And frankly, Phoenix can sue them anyway if they want, even if they've ceased the offending usage (they can still argue damage has been done to their brand recognition - hah!) - no reason to run scared from a lawsuit, it just encourages more frivolous suits.
I bet Phoenix, the Migthy One, will rise and crush everyone and everybody using its holy name. Beware, Phoenix Technologies!
...Award.
How about... Pr0nzilla?
How about "Big Bird"!
What are Pheonix Technologies actauly registered as Pheonix TM or Pheonix Tefhnologies TM? It is quite likely the latter, so why is Pheonix an infrignement of copyright?
Murphy's Law of Research: Enough research will tend to support your theory.
A department store in London by the name of Harrods was very keen a while back on suing every shopowner in the world whose surname was Harrod or Harold or Herod... The town of otorohanga changed its name to Harrodsville in protest.
Can you imagine if every "AJ Patel, tobacconist" shop were to sue the others what confusion would result (or are they actually a chain like WH Smith?)
Exactly. When I hear Pheonix BIOS, I think crap 386 that won't boot. They have no customer recognition anyway. When was that last time you heard a computer buyer say, "I want to have a new motherboard, and it needs 6 USB and a Pheonix BIOS."
Saskboy's blog is good. 9 out of 10 dentists agree.
Rodan, Known as the dignified "samurai of the skies,"
Rodan & Fire Rodan
Rodan hung out with Godzilla, AND... came back from a volcano to be in another movie (hmm,. like Phoenix)
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The Black Widow spider has decided to sue all other black spiders with markings on their bellies, stating that they are infringing on its trademark. "The black widow has worked to maintain its image in the insect community, and these imposters are getting a free ride" said a black widow spokesman. The copycats will have to alter their appearance or pay a licensing fee.
Don't forgete the following mythical creatures:
Geek with Girlfriend
Honest Politician
Trustworthy Computing
Secure Windows
etc...
You can have it fast, accurate, or pretty. Pick any 2.
you could have problems with Saul Zaentz's
Tolkein Enterprizes.
They have the rights to various elements of the
Hobbit and LOTR.
Somebody else just pointed out that the Chimera browser (Mac OS X/Cocoa GUI using Gecko rendering engine) is now called "Navigator" or "Chimera Navigator" but the project is still called "The Chimera Project". This apparently was due to threat of lawsuit there by some trademark holder on "Chimera".
Most, if not all Mac users who use Chimera call it Chimera. The app itself may be called navigator in the Finder, but if you say: "The new Chimera is out." everyone knows what you're talking about. It may have a legal name Navigator, what would seem like a problem given Netscape's Navigator, but it's referred to as Chimera. Even on the Chimera site the word Navigator is no where to be found. Take this page for example.
Fenix Down was the name of the item which would revive a character from the dead in the old Final Fantasy games. It was an incorrect reverse transliteration. Phoenix is spelled phonetically in Japanese, but to go backwards, if you don't know how to spell it, you would write "fenix", or maybe "fenikksu".
They used fenix in the English versions of the games. No one I knew had any idea what a "fenix" was.
My other first post is car post.
well actually it wasn't, but that would make a better story.
and the slogan can be:
"In honor of the company who made us change the name."
... Godzilla?
here's an informative thread...see ted's post, five comments down.
would've been nice if this had been posted in the story itself.
I clipped a bit from here if you're interested... and BTW i think Phoenix (BIOS) doesn't do this kind of sleazy shit anymore. I think.
It used to be good to pick a catchy, pronounceable, real-world name for a product. On the Internet, on the other hand, it's good to pick something unique and distinctive: "Phoenix" has 6.1 million hits on Google, something like "MicroZilla" has 10. Microsoft and Sun made similarly stupid choices with "C#" and Java ("C#" occurs in music, and the special character makes it difficult to search for). So, check Google before picking a product or project name.
Don't drink and code. Otherwise your programs will crash.
As proof, look at Windows. Windows was written after a week long binge.
According to government records the only names not yet trademarked are Popplers and Zitsels.
Or how about "Sosumi Browser"?
If you were blocking sigs, you wouldn't have to read this.
At least Phoenix (the browser) beats Phoenix (the bios) if you ask Google.
My suggestions:
Kokoda (dragon)
Raptor (the dinosaur) (It tears shreds of Internet Explorer)
Anti-MS Internet Exploder
Goanna (an Aussie lizard... also known as a Sand Monitor)
Stargate (after the TV series)
Mozilla Jr.
Minizilla
MoreZilla
MultiZilla
LCARZilla
AraneaVola (Web Fly in Latin)
AraneaPorta (Web Gate in Latin)
ParvulusAranea (Tiny Web in Latin)
StabilisAranea (stable/steadfast Web in Latin)
VeloxAranea (quick/rapid/swift/fast Web in Latin)
ParvulusVeloxAraneaStabilis P.V.A.S (Tiny Fast Web Stable in Latin)
I hope you found them mildy amusing...
Mini Moz.
Lawyers for the state of Arizona reported today that the city of Phoenix received a threatening later, stating that the city's name is infringing on a trademark. Although the city has been around for much longer than the trademark, and has nothing to do with it, a lawyer none only as X (as it can not be trademarked), said "Well, in light of recent rulings, anyone with a trademark has the right to control anything remotely related to that trademark! If it's written in the same language, they own it." Calls to the mayor seemed to be redirected to Phoenix Technologies, and were not returned.
i sez they oughta change Phoenix's name to "Shithead Bios Manufacturer"
Gobble gobble! Hopefully it won't gobble gobble your system resources!
Berto
It was announced yesterday that Phoenix Technologies, the BIOS manufacturer, is facing legal action from Herodotus and his publishers.
Herodotus, a sprightly 2,430 year old author from Greece, claims that Phoenix Technologies stole the name, and the concept of the "Phoenix" from his writing. "I've got merchandising rights on that dumb burning bird," he was reported to have said.
Ancient Egyptian writers strongly disagree, claiming that Herodotus stole their concept of the "Bennu Bird", renamed it, and is trying to exploit it in the marketplace. "We had the 'Book of the Dead' before Herodotus was a lump in his daddy's trousers. He's nothing but a cheap rip-off merchant," claimed an Egyptian spokesman.
Representatives from Phoenix Technologies denied any connection between Herodotus' mythical creation and their products. "Obviously, a BIOS is a different sort of thing to a bird. And whilst our BIOSes do occasionally burst into flames, we make no claim that they rise again from the dead."
how about a real trademark search [uspto.gov]?
That's a later step nowadays. Google is still step 1 because it's easiest. In general, trademark searches proceed as follows, with the most effective sieves (in rejections per unit effort) listed first:
Will I retire or break 10K?
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There aint no pancake so thin it doesn't have two sides.
Lamezilla. Now thats a name!
Quit Slashdot Today!
Fenix :) )
Penix
Foenix
Pfoenix (as in price pfister the pfaucet maker)
PfuckUPhoenix (just remember, as above, the F is silent
And there are the old standbys from the browser wars:
Internet Exploiter,
Internet Exploder
(and one of my fav's)
Nutscrape.
.
Have you read the moderator guidelines? Well, have you, PUNK? (and I want a Karma: Gnarly option)
I looked, and I didn't see anyone else reccomend "Cheetah." Seems to be the obvious choice for me.
I missed the fact about the embedded browser.
The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either. - Benjamin Franklin
To the Slashdot editors: do you think you could just add a little notice in the story about the fact that Phoenix.com does make a browser? That totaly changes the situation...
It's been a while since I've seen a BIOS made by anyone besides Phoenix.
RMN
~~~
...and keep current name (for example, "Phoenix Navigator").
I recall this is what Palm had done with their first product, which was first named "Pilot", but was changed to "Palm Pilot" due to trademark issue raised from Pilot Co.
We also have a project underway called 'phoenix' - as, no doubt, plenty of other people do as well.
What on earth are we supposed to do whenever we want to name a project? Revert to some MD5-like encrypted string to represent the name of a product/project just so we dont infringe on someone's trademark?
How about "LkjnmfBU39Mjh3m,sj3m,(3kw" as a product name - catchy no?
When will it end?
Pheonix (the bios-maker) give some official support (funding? serverspace? hot meals?) to the Pheonix (the mozilla-based browser) project in an effort to "co-opt the brand recognition" and do BOTH the entities some good? Malice gets us nowhere.
I'm glad about this, as actually Phoenix is the name of Acorn/Pace's web browser, that started off as 'Browse' some years ago before moving into set top boxes.
In fact I have Phoenix v2.09i2 loaded now, and it ain't on my Linux box!
#include <sig.h>
Hate to upset you there, but unless your BIOS comes from AMI, then you almost certainly have a Phoenix BIOS.
Hint: Phoenix/Award are the same company.
a rose by any other name still renders the same
If phoenix, the BIOS manufacturer is giving them hard time, just call it "Vogler" (The Bird Hunter Specialist)
echo '[q]sa[ln0=aln80~Psnlbx]16isb572CCB9AE9DB03273snlbxq' |dc
q: why do they call it a pap-smear?
a: if they called it a cunt-scrape, no one would get one.
So how about Lesszilla?
"I may not have morals, but I have standards."
"Bazilla" Reflects the "browser only" philosophy, don't you think? .. Or maybe "Justzilla"...
Phoenix in Spanish is Fenix.
Problem solved.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
They're the same company NOW. However... all *my* Award BIOSs predate the merger.
And when I'm doing the buying, I stick to AMI if I have any choice. Fewer bugs, vastly better large HD support.
~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
Maybe someone already said this but Pegasus would be a cool name, kinda fits too.
Bozo is the Brotherhood of Zips and Others. Bozos are people who band
together for fun and profit. They have no jobs. Anybody who goes on a
tour is a Bozo. Why does a Bozo cross the street? Because there's a Bozo
on the other side. It comes from the phrase vos otros, meaning others.
They're the huge, fat, middle waist. The archetype is an Irish drunk
clown with red hair and nose, and pale skin. Fields, William Bendix.
Everybody tends to drift toward Bozoness. It has Oz in it. They mean
well. They're straight-looking except they've got inflatable shoes. They
like their comforts. The Bozos have learned to enjoy their free time,
which is all the time.
-- Firesign Theatre, "If Bees Lived Inside Your Head"
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