And Linux kernel 1.0 surely could be useful for something, why did they ever decide to improve upon that? 2.6.x is unnecessary, correct?
Improvement and advancement is always a good thing, regardless of the product category, or at what version certain people left for a competing product.
Excellent point. Why should ANY "simply another OS" product not be allowed to exist, as Slasdot posters would indicate as their preference for AmigaOS to not exist?
Also, many Slasdot posts ask what you'd possibly use AmigaOS for. It's simply an OS. Linux is simply an OS. *BSD is simply an OS. They can ALL be used for the same things, believe it or not...
Interesting point. The "other new Amiga" PowerPC motherboard is currently headlines on gentoo.org.
Political issues created a rift between Amiga Inc. the company and the people of MorphOS the "other Amiga OS platform" a few years ago. There were two PowerPC motherboards in development at the time that would have both run AmigaOS4. One was the AmigaOne currently sold by Eyetech, the other was the Pegasos being made by DCE, a company which somehow evolved from Phase5 who was the leading maker of Amiga CPU upgrade cards.
The software guys from Phase5 started their own OS, now called MorphOS, which was Amigalike and ran Amiga applications/games, etc. Their friends at DCE gave them Pegasos boards, and the two items were sold by Genesi to Amiga users on their side of the rift, while Amiga Inc., Hyperion, and Eyetech sell AmigaOne boards with AmigaOS 4.
Well, some MorphOS developers got mad that they had not been paid as promised by Genesi, and a rift formed there as well, and Genesi now seems to be turning their back on MorphOS. But they've embraced Linux, and are a partner with Gentoo now, as seen today at www.gentoo.org (Hopefully Gentoo won't see the payment situation some of the MorphOS coders claim to have never received, see www.morphos.net)
So, the "dead" Amiga market has directly, through some soap-opera routing, lead to a GentooPPC motherboard.
Is GentooPPC a BAD IDEA? No. Is running it on a PPC motherboard a BAD IDEA? No. Is the original reason this board exists, to run AmigaOS, a BAD IDEA? Apparently you guys think so... But without the Amiga, the Pegasos2 (aka "Open Desktop Workstation") motherboard would not be available to be advertized by and partnered with Gentoo Linux...
It's also supposedly now an official evaluation board at Freescale... (http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/overview.jsp?nodeId=018rH3bTdGZj9N58582822)
So please tell me, is the Amiga platform which has lead to something like this still a totally wacked and stupid bad idea to allow it to exist? Good things can still come of it.
I myself have some ideas that I think could be neat for the computer industry as a whole, resulting from my desire for a PowerPC Amiga Laptop with open docs so anyone can write whatever OS, drivers, etc. they want for it. I'm seriously interested in such a thing, to the extent I'm looking to find CAD softrware and soon plan to ask around at manufacturers to see what can be done. (Business politics/contracts apparently prevent AmigaOS 4 port to iBook/Powerbook...)
If Getting a license to run AmigaOS on such an open-platform PowerPC laptop is not possible, then I see no reason to make the laptop hardware I desire. Is this a good or bad situation? Do you demand that I stop researchng the business of making an open-platform PowerPC laptop, for no more reason than because I personally would want to run AmigaOS on it?
(I have not yet made a proposal to the OS guys to see what the licensing would be, I want to find out if making a laptop without ordering hundreds of thousands of units per month is even possible first...)
email web browsing word processor read PDF docs software development file managment (including PC folders via samba as Windows explorer sucks rotten eggs) games
Wow, that sounds a lot like what some people might use Linux for, doesn't it?
It's a matter of choice. Why should my choice be wrong for me, yet your non-Windows choice is right for you?
Consider the size of the market. They manufacture a few hundred boards at a time. Do you know how hard it is to get components like the Northbridge chip in such small quantities? Most vendors completely ignore such small purchase requests, severely limiting the choice, and thus the lack of competition lets the willing vendors take advantage... Over a few years a couple thousand have been made and sold, and the dealers (A good friend of mine is such a dealer of AmigaOne boards) can't get enough for the customers waving money at them, even at this high of a price. Crazy but true.
We aren't in the millions or hiundreds of thoudsands of units, so bulk pricing of course does not apply like it does for x86 or even Mac boards.
What's that, the mindless mass of Windows people are wrong, and Linux actually can be used to do stuff other than open disk folders and look at directory contents? You have applications? And games? Wow. Just the same, Slashdot feels AmigaOS is dead because the vast majority of Slashdot readers don't use it. That fact does not mean that no one uses it, just like Joe Average Windows user is wrong that no one used Linux for average day to day computing tasks.
> But honestly, what use does Amiga have now that Linux (or Mac OS X or Windows for that matter) can't do
That's EXACTLY what I meant. Thank you for proving my point. "Why use AmigaOS when you can use Linux instead"...
I ask you, why do you use Linux when there's so many more games/applications/etc available for Windows? Or does your pearticular personality fit with Linux better than it does with Windows? Well, mine fits with the AmigaOS user interface better than it does with Windows OR Linux. And so I use it instead. Thank you for respecting my right to choose what I prefer.
I use AmigaOS for email, web browsing, games, software development, reading PDF files, and jsut for fun. Games are of course a bit older but include commercial/retail ports of Myst, Quake1, Quake2, Nightlong, Wipeout 2097, Shogo, Heretic2, etc. We get most of the open-sourced games ported from GPL code as well, and I am looking forward to the GPL release of Quake3.
I don't like Windows. There are some user interface design points in Windows that are counter-intuitive to my personality. MS does nto allow me to change them to the way I personally would prefer them to be. But I use it for playing games not available for AmigaOS OR LINUX such as Half-Life2.
I like using Linux, but it required a lot more effort to get running to my preferences. Unlike Windows, it can be done in Linux. But it's often hard to do. I've got two Gentoo boxes. Wne I returned from my holiday vacation I did an emerge world on both of them, and both of those updates got messed up somewhere and now both machines are a bit weird. I don't feel like putting th eeffort into straighteneing them out, as I've done it before and know how much work it is. I use Linux for MythTV, geda electronics EDA tools, a LAN/internet firewall, and possibly soon some mechanical CAD stuff.
Each has its uses. Zero of these platforms lacks uses.
I wasn't referring to the status of the source code. I was referring to the market size and attitudes of one platform to the next.
Of the people that I know that don't use Linux, zero of them have any idea of what you'd use Linux for, and thus believe Linux has no use, and thus Linux users are wacked out of their minds for nto using Windows instead. Nearly all comments from Slashdot when an Amiga topic comes up are equally as ignorant as those Windows users comments about our beloved Linux.
P.S. in addition to my 3 Amigas currently set up and running and being used, I have 1 Windows box and 2 Gentoo machines.
The public beta, and the two updates to same, are available to everyone and ANYONE who owns the AmigaOns PowerPC motherboards. You don't need to eb a developer or sign any paperwork to get it, you only have to own the motherboard. So anyone with the hardware can, and should by now already have it. Sure, it's not an official final release, but it's quite usable by anyone with the cash to buy the motherboard.
Admittedly, the board is a bit expensive compared to PCs, but remember we're a far far smaller market and don't get any quantity discounts on components to build the things. Few chip vendors are willing to get involved with the small quantities at all and simply ignore such small markets, and we're happy to have a board at all...
AmigaOS has had preemptive multitasking since day 1 back in the 1980's.
Memory protection is another matter, it's not there as Linux users would expect it to be, no. It's a highly desired feature of course, but implementing it properly is an issue as it conflicts with some fundamental aspects of AmigaOS arcitecture. We want it, and it will likely happen someday, but current priorities fundamentally revolve around getting the OS ported to PowerPC native and getting it to run on new PowerPC motherboards, porting the 680x0 assembly to C, involving a great deal of "classic Amiga hardware" dependencies, as none of that hardware is present on new motherboards.
Once the fundamental porting is done then it will be time to look at rearchitecting things to allow memory protection, multiple users (it's currently a single-user OS so no user or group file or directory protection concepts). I don't know what all the project managment has in mind for adding such features, but users and developers do want them.
I always hate seeing Amiga come up on Slashdot. To all you guys, no, it's not dead. It's small and not popular. AmigaOS is to Linux what Linux is to Windows. Remember how many Windows users out there think you're crazy for using Linux and truely believe there is nothing to use Linux for except for server stuff before you post your "Amiga is dead" stuff, as you will be exactly correct as all those ignorant Windows users are in their comments about Linux and Linux users.
Thank you for your respect. And to the article poster, we're not welcome here, please don't bother Slashdot again...
OK, KVMs are cool and I have a 4-port. But I'm considering adding a Mac to my rig. Can a Mac share keyboards/mice with PCs? If I trade up to a USB KVM and use USB->PS/2 port adaptors for the older machines I currently have set up that can't use USB keyboards or mice? And no - adding USB to them is not an option...
Or putting a KVM in my livingroom to share my wireless keyboard/mouse kit between my MythTV box, Gentoo server/firewall box, Xbox and PSX2? Anything recomended for that, though I think USB can be shared between all these for keyboard and mouse both if needed. console->USB adaptors as needed and all...
Is the Longhorn pre-version available to anyone and everyone that owns a PC? The Amiga "prerelease" and the two updates to it are availabel to anyone and everyone that owns an AmigaOne. Before July or so 2004 only those in the beta program could get it, and the normal public AmigaOne machine owners were stuck with Linux. That's no longer true.
Can we at least call it a somewhat denser form of vapor? Perhaps something closer to a condensate?;)
Besides, slashdot guys don't want Amiga discussion happening anywhere in the universe anyway, so aren't you happy that it's off the list and you don't have to roll your eyes at it this year?
Uhm, OS4 beta is available to the public now. So is an update. And so is a second update as of December. So while it's not a "final" release, the public beta is being used by people who have an AmigaOne motherboard. (PowerPC CPU, PCI, AGP, USB, PS.2 keyboard/mouse, etc)
So with normal people not in the private beta program using AmigaOS 4 now, it may not qualify for this list anymore? I'm not sure what the nitty gritty details of public beta vs final release are...
So, if I have Spybot Search & Destroy or another of that sort of utility installed, and it removes the spyware I'm not supposed to know about being there, am I guilty of tampering with evidence or something?
We need an anti-spam law that would punish companies from hiring spammers to push the send button for them. As it is, if we take down one spam kind, then Circuit City (for example as their spam a few years ago led to me boycotting them) will hire a new spam king to send me their ads. If the law doesn't discourage the likes of Circuit City from hiring spammers, they will continue to do so. If Circuit City was fined or otherwise sanctioned as punishment for spamming me, then the spam kings would not have many customers left to hire them, and they would not have nearly as many ads to send.
Doesn't this make sense? How could the lawmakers screw that up, and let the sellers continue hiring different spammers that haven't been taken down yet????????
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>Everyone talks about Canada's "socialized medicine" >being so different in principle than the United >States', but really, when you think about it, >that's exactly what an insurance company is >supposed to be!
Yea, and there's other people who say how great the American healthcare system is. If that's true, then why did the family of a boy my sister was in junior high school with have to have bake sales and literally beg people for donations so he could get a heart transplant and not die?
Do Canadians have to turn into beggars to be able to get medical teatments to prevent imminent death? Or is their system more friendly to those who are gravely ill and they can get fixed up without the hassle of begging from your neigbors?
Sorry dude, but our system in the USA does have some problems.
Does slashdot have a way to send private messages to other users so we don't fill up this stuff with somewhat off-topic stuff??
Anyway, All AmigaOne buyers during the long-term Earlybird promotion should have received a CD by now. If not, call them up and ask about it... That was a public release, and I don't think many people have bought an AmigaOne after the Earlybird offer stopped. The first public update to that public beta CD is available for registered owners via download, I don't know the exact web adress to the update though.
I myself have it as I'm part of the ATI Radeon driver development group, and thus need access tothe newest stuff and to the betatesters to find our bugs.
>>You don't actually provide a valid reason why >>it's not a "*really* good to have many more >>people" use Gentoo.
>Yes, actually, he did:
>>I mean that gentoo isn't an easy to handle >>distro, you have to spend time to understand it >>and able to use it.
>Because installing Gentoo currently is about 2 >steps away from installing LFS, you simply cannot >do it without learning a LOT about GNU/Linux at a >very low level.
Uhm, might not this graphical installer be an attempt to improve this situation???
Why would the Gentoo people NOT want to make their product easier to use, and thus more likely to be used by more people??? A graphical installer doesn't mean it's going to stay as "challenging" to get it working as it was before. After going through the Gentoo install process myself, many times to finaly get it right last week after months of on-and-off trying, I'd be very happy to see it get easier, and I look forward to seeing what they come up with.
That's an out of date web page is what it is, dated August 7, 2002 yet "last updated" on Oct 15, 2003.
There's been a public beta release, and then a public update to same since then. You can actually go buy a PowerPC motherboard today, and I think the first public beta ships with it on CD, then you can register and download the public beta update. Today. For real.
Just because you slashdotters have left it for dead does NOT mean it's not being developed.
AmigaOS 4.0 is currently in development. I have a Beta copy at home. A non-final "prerelease" version has been shipped to people who bought the AmigaOne motherboards based on PowerPC CPU, of which there are now a few versions including both ATX and mini-ATX form factors. The mini-ATX one (strangely named the micro-AmigaOne or micro-A1, which makes the planned micro-ATX board name probably confusing as well)
Sure, most of what you can run on this OS version is ports of open-source SDL games, (there are a small number of other things already though) but this OS rev entirely finished yet, so what can you expect? It's still "under development"...:)
I guess being in that category as well maks my side job to be the IT one. My "real" job is a semiconductor (fancy word for microchip hehe) design engineer.
But my college degree was in "computer engineering" so everyone in my family thinks I studied Windows for my education and I'm supposed to fix all their problems...
I have a cousin with an IT degree and he's taken to charging family for help to discourage them from annoying him. He must be smarter than I am.
The most I've used Windows for myself was getting Cygwin running so I can access the two linux boxen in my livingroom (a MythTV box and the other is destined to become an internet firewall to supplement my hardware firewall with some throttling features so my roommate doesn't hog the whole wire, and perhaps a DNS server or something for kicks, as well as a CVS server and icarus verilog host...) from the Windows box in my bedroom.:)
Maybe when I get HalfLife 2 I'll spend more time with Windows.
> From what I can tell, they're pissed off at people > buying items, getting the rebates, then returning > the items, and more.
This seems to be a theme in this topic. So, if Best Buy doesnt' want people doing this, then stop doing rebates. Ring up the item at the "advertized price" and be done with it. If they return it, you give them that amount back, perhaps less a restocking fee.
I once returned an item I'd gotten that had a rebate, an ATI Radeon card of some sort that I culdn't convince to do anything. I'd already cut out the UPC code and mailed it in for a $50 rebate. I told the lady at the counter that, explaining why the UPC code wasnt on the box for her to scan. She asked if I minded her deducting $50 from my refund, as that $50 would be coming in the mail from my rebate eventually, I said fine, and all was cool. I don't think she would have returned the thing, even though it was broken, if I'd said no to that. Seems a reasonable way to do things. If they quite doing "photocopy of UPC" rebates they wouldn't have that problem, I still see one of those come up now and then that you don't have to send the original UPC to anyone...
No, I still hate Circuit City for spamming my email for a long long time a few years ago. I talked to their customer service people pleasding them to stop but they didn't. In return for their "courtesy", I decided not to bu ythe fancy SVHS VCR I was saving up to buy from them, and haven't been back since, other than to see in-person things I'd like to buy from other people that don't have certain items on display. That was about 5 years ago. CompUSA later pissed me off, and I'm just about out of local places to shop.:)
> (I know CompUSA is notorious for this, not sure about Best Buy)
Last time I went to CompUSA for a rebate sale item I saw on their web store (I was looking for that item and they happened to have the best price at the time according to their web store) I was told that to receive the rebate form at all that I needed to pring in the flyer or print out their web store page I saw this deal on. Having gone there during lunch hour at work, it was easier to go to Best Buy and buy the same thing there, they had a competing brand of the same thing on the same rebate price.
It was closer to do Best Buy than to drive back to work, print web page, drive back to CompUSA, etc...
Any wonder I've taken to ordering most stuff from Newegg the last couple years?? I haven't really even been back to CompUSA since then. Their sales people really know how to rake in the paying customers!!
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And Linux kernel 1.0 surely could be useful for something, why did they ever decide to improve upon that? 2.6.x is unnecessary, correct?
Improvement and advancement is always a good thing, regardless of the product category, or at what version certain people left for a competing product.
> AmigaOS 4.0 is simply another OS.
Excellent point. Why should ANY "simply another OS" product not be allowed to exist, as Slasdot posters would indicate as their preference for AmigaOS to not exist?
Also, many Slasdot posts ask what you'd possibly use AmigaOS for. It's simply an OS. Linux is simply an OS. *BSD is simply an OS. They can ALL be used for the same things, believe it or not...
Interesting point. The "other new Amiga" PowerPC motherboard is currently headlines on gentoo.org.
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Political issues created a rift between Amiga Inc. the company and the people of MorphOS the "other Amiga OS platform" a few years ago. There were two PowerPC motherboards in development at the time that would have both run AmigaOS4. One was the AmigaOne currently sold by Eyetech, the other was the Pegasos being made by DCE, a company which somehow evolved from Phase5 who was the leading maker of Amiga CPU upgrade cards.
The software guys from Phase5 started their own OS, now called MorphOS, which was Amigalike and ran Amiga applications/games, etc. Their friends at DCE gave them Pegasos boards, and the two items were sold by Genesi to Amiga users on their side of the rift, while Amiga Inc., Hyperion, and Eyetech sell AmigaOne boards with AmigaOS 4.
Well, some MorphOS developers got mad that they had not been paid as promised by Genesi, and a rift formed there as well, and Genesi now seems to be turning their back on MorphOS. But they've embraced Linux, and are a partner with Gentoo now, as seen today at www.gentoo.org (Hopefully Gentoo won't see the payment situation some of the MorphOS coders claim to have never received, see www.morphos.net)
So, the "dead" Amiga market has directly, through some soap-opera routing, lead to a GentooPPC motherboard.
Is GentooPPC a BAD IDEA? No. Is running it on a PPC motherboard a BAD IDEA? No. Is the original reason this board exists, to run AmigaOS, a BAD IDEA? Apparently you guys think so... But without the Amiga, the Pegasos2 (aka "Open Desktop Workstation") motherboard would not be available to be advertized by and partnered with Gentoo Linux...
It's also supposedly now an official evaluation board at Freescale... (http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/overvie
So please tell me, is the Amiga platform which has lead to something like this still a totally wacked and stupid bad idea to allow it to exist? Good things can still come of it.
I myself have some ideas that I think could be neat for the computer industry as a whole, resulting from my desire for a PowerPC Amiga Laptop with open docs so anyone can write whatever OS, drivers, etc. they want for it. I'm seriously interested in such a thing, to the extent I'm looking to find CAD softrware and soon plan to ask around at manufacturers to see what can be done. (Business politics/contracts apparently prevent AmigaOS 4 port to iBook/Powerbook...)
If Getting a license to run AmigaOS on such an open-platform PowerPC laptop is not possible, then I see no reason to make the laptop hardware I desire. Is this a good or bad situation? Do you demand that I stop researchng the business of making an open-platform PowerPC laptop, for no more reason than because I personally would want to run AmigaOS on it?
(I have not yet made a proposal to the OS guys to see what the licensing would be, I want to find out if making a laptop without ordering hundreds of thousands of units per month is even possible first...)
My own uses for AmigaOS:
email
web browsing
word processor
read PDF docs
software development
file managment (including PC folders via samba as Windows explorer sucks rotten eggs)
games
Wow, that sounds a lot like what some people might use Linux for, doesn't it?
It's a matter of choice. Why should my choice be wrong for me, yet your non-Windows choice is right for you?
Consider the size of the market. They manufacture a few hundred boards at a time. Do you know how hard it is to get components like the Northbridge chip in such small quantities? Most vendors completely ignore such small purchase requests, severely limiting the choice, and thus the lack of competition lets the willing vendors take advantage... Over a few years a couple thousand have been made and sold, and the dealers (A good friend of mine is such a dealer of AmigaOne boards) can't get enough for the customers waving money at them, even at this high of a price. Crazy but true.
We aren't in the millions or hiundreds of thoudsands of units, so bulk pricing of course does not apply like it does for x86 or even Mac boards.
It's as dead to me as Linux is dead to you.
What's that, the mindless mass of Windows people are wrong, and Linux actually can be used to do stuff other than open disk folders and look at directory contents? You have applications? And games? Wow. Just the same, Slashdot feels AmigaOS is dead because the vast majority of Slashdot readers don't use it. That fact does not mean that no one uses it, just like Joe Average Windows user is wrong that no one used Linux for average day to day computing tasks.
> But honestly, what use does Amiga have now that Linux (or Mac OS X or Windows for that matter) can't do
That's EXACTLY what I meant. Thank you for proving my point. "Why use AmigaOS when you can use Linux instead"...
I ask you, why do you use Linux when there's so many more games/applications/etc available for Windows? Or does your pearticular personality fit with Linux better than it does with Windows? Well, mine fits with the AmigaOS user interface better than it does with Windows OR Linux. And so I use it instead. Thank you for respecting my right to choose what I prefer.
I use AmigaOS for email, web browsing, games, software development, reading PDF files, and jsut for fun. Games are of course a bit older but include commercial/retail ports of Myst, Quake1, Quake2, Nightlong, Wipeout 2097, Shogo, Heretic2, etc. We get most of the open-sourced games ported from GPL code as well, and I am looking forward to the GPL release of Quake3.
I don't like Windows. There are some user interface design points in Windows that are counter-intuitive to my personality. MS does nto allow me to change them to the way I personally would prefer them to be. But I use it for playing games not available for AmigaOS OR LINUX such as Half-Life2.
I like using Linux, but it required a lot more effort to get running to my preferences. Unlike Windows, it can be done in Linux. But it's often hard to do. I've got two Gentoo boxes. Wne I returned from my holiday vacation I did an emerge world on both of them, and both of those updates got messed up somewhere and now both machines are a bit weird. I don't feel like putting th eeffort into straighteneing them out, as I've done it before and know how much work it is. I use Linux for MythTV, geda electronics EDA tools, a LAN/internet firewall, and possibly soon some mechanical CAD stuff.
Each has its uses. Zero of these platforms lacks uses.
I wasn't referring to the status of the source code. I was referring to the market size and attitudes of one platform to the next.
Of the people that I know that don't use Linux, zero of them have any idea of what you'd use Linux for, and thus believe Linux has no use, and thus Linux users are wacked out of their minds for nto using Windows instead. Nearly all comments from Slashdot when an Amiga topic comes up are equally as ignorant as those Windows users comments about our beloved Linux.
P.S. in addition to my 3 Amigas currently set up and running and being used, I have 1 Windows box and 2 Gentoo machines.
The public beta, and the two updates to same, are available to everyone and ANYONE who owns the AmigaOns PowerPC motherboards. You don't need to eb a developer or sign any paperwork to get it, you only have to own the motherboard. So anyone with the hardware can, and should by now already have it. Sure, it's not an official final release, but it's quite usable by anyone with the cash to buy the motherboard.
Admittedly, the board is a bit expensive compared to PCs, but remember we're a far far smaller market and don't get any quantity discounts on components to build the things. Few chip vendors are willing to get involved with the small quantities at all and simply ignore such small markets, and we're happy to have a board at all...
AmigaOS has had preemptive multitasking since day 1 back in the 1980's.
Memory protection is another matter, it's not there as Linux users would expect it to be, no. It's a highly desired feature of course, but implementing it properly is an issue as it conflicts with some fundamental aspects of AmigaOS arcitecture. We want it, and it will likely happen someday, but current priorities fundamentally revolve around getting the OS ported to PowerPC native and getting it to run on new PowerPC motherboards, porting the 680x0 assembly to C, involving a great deal of "classic Amiga hardware" dependencies, as none of that hardware is present on new motherboards.
Once the fundamental porting is done then it will be time to look at rearchitecting things to allow memory protection, multiple users (it's currently a single-user OS so no user or group file or directory protection concepts). I don't know what all the project managment has in mind for adding such features, but users and developers do want them.
I always hate seeing Amiga come up on Slashdot. To all you guys, no, it's not dead. It's small and not popular. AmigaOS is to Linux what Linux is to Windows. Remember how many Windows users out there think you're crazy for using Linux and truely believe there is nothing to use Linux for except for server stuff before you post your "Amiga is dead" stuff, as you will be exactly correct as all those ignorant Windows users are in their comments about Linux and Linux users.
Thank you for your respect. And to the article poster, we're not welcome here, please don't bother Slashdot again...
OK, KVMs are cool and I have a 4-port. But I'm considering adding a Mac to my rig. Can a Mac share keyboards/mice with PCs? If I trade up to a USB KVM and use USB->PS/2 port adaptors for the older machines I currently have set up that can't use USB keyboards or mice? And no - adding USB to them is not an option...
Or putting a KVM in my livingroom to share my wireless keyboard/mouse kit between my MythTV box, Gentoo server/firewall box, Xbox and PSX2? Anything recomended for that, though I think USB can be shared between all these for keyboard and mouse both if needed. console->USB adaptors as needed and all...
Is the Longhorn pre-version available to anyone and everyone that owns a PC? The Amiga "prerelease" and the two updates to it are availabel to anyone and everyone that owns an AmigaOne. Before July or so 2004 only those in the beta program could get it, and the normal public AmigaOne machine owners were stuck with Linux. That's no longer true.
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Can we at least call it a somewhat denser form of vapor? Perhaps something closer to a condensate?
Besides, slashdot guys don't want Amiga discussion happening anywhere in the universe anyway, so aren't you happy that it's off the list and you don't have to roll your eyes at it this year?
Uhm, OS4 beta is available to the public now. So is an update. And so is a second update as of December. So while it's not a "final" release, the public beta is being used by people who have an AmigaOne motherboard. (PowerPC CPU, PCI, AGP, USB, PS.2 keyboard/mouse, etc)
So with normal people not in the private beta program using AmigaOS 4 now, it may not qualify for this list anymore? I'm not sure what the nitty gritty details of public beta vs final release are...
So, if I have Spybot Search & Destroy or another of that sort of utility installed, and it removes the spyware I'm not supposed to know about being there, am I guilty of tampering with evidence or something?
We need an anti-spam law that would punish companies from hiring spammers to push the send button for them. As it is, if we take down one spam kind, then Circuit City (for example as their spam a few years ago led to me boycotting them) will hire a new spam king to send me their ads. If the law doesn't discourage the likes of Circuit City from hiring spammers, they will continue to do so. If Circuit City was fined or otherwise sanctioned as punishment for spamming me, then the spam kings would not have many customers left to hire them, and they would not have nearly as many ads to send.
Doesn't this make sense? How could the lawmakers screw that up, and let the sellers continue hiring different spammers that haven't been taken down yet????????
>Everyone talks about Canada's "socialized medicine"
>being so different in principle than the United
>States', but really, when you think about it,
>that's exactly what an insurance company is
>supposed to be!
Yea, and there's other people who say how great the American healthcare system is. If that's true, then why did the family of a boy my sister was in junior high school with have to have bake sales and literally beg people for donations so he could get a heart transplant and not die?
Do Canadians have to turn into beggars to be able to get medical teatments to prevent imminent death? Or is their system more friendly to those who are gravely ill and they can get fixed up without the hassle of begging from your neigbors?
Sorry dude, but our system in the USA does have some problems.
Does slashdot have a way to send private messages to other users so we don't fill up this stuff with somewhat off-topic stuff??
Anyway, All AmigaOne buyers during the long-term Earlybird promotion should have received a CD by now. If not, call them up and ask about it... That was a public release, and I don't think many people have bought an AmigaOne after the Earlybird offer stopped. The first public update to that public beta CD is available for registered owners via download, I don't know the exact web adress to the update though.
I myself have it as I'm part of the ATI Radeon driver development group, and thus need access tothe newest stuff and to the betatesters to find our bugs.
>>You don't actually provide a valid reason why
>>it's not a "*really* good to have many more
>>people" use Gentoo.
>Yes, actually, he did:
>>I mean that gentoo isn't an easy to handle
>>distro, you have to spend time to understand it
>>and able to use it.
>Because installing Gentoo currently is about 2
>steps away from installing LFS, you simply cannot
>do it without learning a LOT about GNU/Linux at a
>very low level.
Uhm, might not this graphical installer be an attempt to improve this situation???
Why would the Gentoo people NOT want to make their product easier to use, and thus more likely to be used by more people??? A graphical installer doesn't mean it's going to stay as "challenging" to get it working as it was before. After going through the Gentoo install process myself, many times to finaly get it right last week after months of on-and-off trying, I'd be very happy to see it get easier, and I look forward to seeing what they come up with.
That's an out of date web page is what it is, dated August 7, 2002 yet "last updated" on Oct 15, 2003.
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There's been a public beta release, and then a public update to same since then. You can actually go buy a PowerPC motherboard today, and I think the first public beta ships with it on CD, then you can register and download the public beta update. Today. For real.
http://www.forefronttechnologiesinc.com/Product
http://www.softhut.com/cgi-bin/test
http://www.compuquick-am
And those are just the USA dealers I'm personally aware of.
To the Duke Nukem Forever guy from another comment, can you get a public beta of that game??
> So what if its not being developed?
:)
Just because you slashdotters have left it for dead does NOT mean it's not being developed.
AmigaOS 4.0 is currently in development. I have a Beta copy at home. A non-final "prerelease" version has been shipped to people who bought the AmigaOne motherboards based on PowerPC CPU, of which there are now a few versions including both ATX and mini-ATX form factors. The mini-ATX one (strangely named the micro-AmigaOne or micro-A1, which makes the planned micro-ATX board name probably confusing as well)
Sure, most of what you can run on this OS version is ports of open-source SDL games, (there are a small number of other things already though) but this OS rev entirely finished yet, so what can you expect? It's still "under development"...
I guess being in that category as well maks my side job to be the IT one. My "real" job is a semiconductor (fancy word for microchip hehe) design engineer.
:)
But my college degree was in "computer engineering" so everyone in my family thinks I studied Windows for my education and I'm supposed to fix all their problems...
I have a cousin with an IT degree and he's taken to charging family for help to discourage them from annoying him. He must be smarter than I am.
The most I've used Windows for myself was getting Cygwin running so I can access the two linux boxen in my livingroom (a MythTV box and the other is destined to become an internet firewall to supplement my hardware firewall with some throttling features so my roommate doesn't hog the whole wire, and perhaps a DNS server or something for kicks, as well as a CVS server and icarus verilog host...) from the Windows box in my bedroom.
Maybe when I get HalfLife 2 I'll spend more time with Windows.
> From what I can tell, they're pissed off at people
> buying items, getting the rebates, then returning
> the items, and more.
This seems to be a theme in this topic. So, if Best Buy doesnt' want people doing this, then stop doing rebates. Ring up the item at the "advertized price" and be done with it. If they return it, you give them that amount back, perhaps less a restocking fee.
I once returned an item I'd gotten that had a rebate, an ATI Radeon card of some sort that I culdn't convince to do anything. I'd already cut out the UPC code and mailed it in for a $50 rebate. I told the lady at the counter that, explaining why the UPC code wasnt on the box for her to scan. She asked if I minded her deducting $50 from my refund, as that $50 would be coming in the mail from my rebate eventually, I said fine, and all was cool. I don't think she would have returned the thing, even though it was broken, if I'd said no to that. Seems a reasonable way to do things. If they quite doing "photocopy of UPC" rebates they wouldn't have that problem, I still see one of those come up now and then that you don't have to send the original UPC to anyone...
No, I still hate Circuit City for spamming my email for a long long time a few years ago. I talked to their customer service people pleasding them to stop but they didn't. In return for their "courtesy", I decided not to bu ythe fancy SVHS VCR I was saving up to buy from them, and haven't been back since, other than to see in-person things I'd like to buy from other people that don't have certain items on display. That was about 5 years ago. CompUSA later pissed me off, and I'm just about out of local places to shop. :)
> (I know CompUSA is notorious for this, not sure about Best Buy)
Last time I went to CompUSA for a rebate sale item I saw on their web store (I was looking for that item and they happened to have the best price at the time according to their web store) I was told that to receive the rebate form at all that I needed to pring in the flyer or print out their web store page I saw this deal on. Having gone there during lunch hour at work, it was easier to go to Best Buy and buy the same thing there, they had a competing brand of the same thing on the same rebate price.
It was closer to do Best Buy than to drive back to work, print web page, drive back to CompUSA, etc...
Any wonder I've taken to ordering most stuff from Newegg the last couple years?? I haven't really even been back to CompUSA since then. Their sales people really know how to rake in the paying customers!!