You're right that the mere fact that it was his constituents shouldn't be a major reason, but it would hit closer to home to put faces on the consequences. Realistically, it matters. Furthermore, he and his fellow politicians didn't realize how many jobs were involved. He worked in education and legislature, what does he know about manufacturing, or the scale of the industry?
It does change the balance of harms vs benefits.
When has a Corporate Special Interest Group ever told the complete truth?
In high school, I had a civics teacher who was also serving on the state legislature (it was a flyover state, not much important going on.) He said lobbyists at least at that level generally wouldn't lie to lawmakers: if a lobbyist loses his credibility with lawmakers, that really damages his ability to influence policy, they were usually a valuable source of information. His example was radar detectors in cars, the state was considering banning them. He didn't know anything about them, and until he talked to lobbyists, didn't realize that a radar detector manufacturer had a plant in that state. A significant number of his constituents' jobs could be affected.
There are clear cases where corporate special interest groups are scum, yes, but I think it's overly simplistic to imply that -all- interest groups are corrupt. I think this is more of a case of a generally corrupt industry with lobbyists. Big content is a worse blight on our culture and economy than lobbyists as a group are: plenty of lobbyists are working to make our politicians less ignorant on causes that affect you.
It's rare that the garden-variety "Geek" ever had much time for what could be called "intellectual" pursuits.There's not a high degree of literacy in geekdom, outside of their specialised technologies.
Plato? Proust? Swift? Wittgenstein? Wilde? Eco? Baudrillard? Pound? Spinoza? Aquinas? Borges?
You're right that they've never been the most literary or philosophical group, but there are multiple types of "intellectuals" A scientist definitely qualifies as "intellectual" in my book. At least 40% of scientists are geeks in my estimation, and most geeks seem to like science.
Maybe there are some geeks who are anti-academic, disliking the higher education system, and maybe they do have more of a voice than they used to. As an academic scientist, I dislike the notion that we spend too much time learning, but maybe we do pay too much for it. They have a point. But that's not "anti-intellectual" in my opinion.
I wasn't talking about the scientific nobel prizes. I was talking about the literature one specifically. This is more akin to "Backdoor girls 3 should win the adult movie award for sexiest scene given that debbie does dallas won and is far less sexy."
I also wasn't seriously suggesting "which one I like better" should be the standard for what deserves a nobel prize. The standards for the lit prize, set in Nobel's will, now that I look them up, are "the most outstanding work in an ideal direction... writings which, by virtue of their form and style, possess literary value."
Outstanding, form and style possessing artistic value. Not exactly concrete, measurable qualities. I'd take the position that Mario wins that one. Far bigger impact on our culture. Certainly outstanding from the field, undoubtedly the most played game from the NES era is a mario game, either 1 or 3 by critics and everyone else as well. Pioneering platformers in both 2D and then again in 3D, that certainly counts as a form with value. Stylistically, they are outstanding.
Culturally, I suspect they have a greater impact than the whole modernist movement did. Deeper meanings, there is an environmentalist streak to some of the games, especially sunshine. With Beckett, you have to dig so deep for meaning that I suspect most of the academics who claim they're there are just looking for meaning in tea leaves. His play "breath" was a pile of garbage and a baby crying, over in 30 seconds. There's no real value there, just english majors wanking each other off.
But the summary DOES mention that Cydia was working on the phone. It sounds like he installed iSSH using Cydia (I have no idea if iSSH is available through Cydia or just the app store) and that was the proof that it was working properly.
If he had installed an app available only through Cydia and not itunes, I don't know why that would be more convincing. Maybe for some reason iSSH was the only one that worked on iOS5?
It does seem true to me that in general, if someone says "Wait, not enough people participated in making that decision!!!" they
-don't actually care about the number of people making the decision so much as they care that they were not ONE of that number
-are more interested in trying to sound smart than doing anything.
or
-are opposed for some reason to the outcome of the decision but don't have any really convincing arguments to make against it
"The entire Web community should decide which features should be supported." Yeah, uh, the internet troll association just called. The features they want are whatever features no one else wants, and the features they're opposed to are any features that anyone else wants. Also they have some pictures from the.cx domain they want to submit for your consideration.
We also made a suggestion box for features to be supported, but they're all "FRIST SUGGESTION POST!!!1!!!!" for some reason.
Oh, and since we're consulting the whole community, the RIAA, MPAA, and Sony have several boxes of suggestions for features, but you can't look at them, they're mega-super-duper secret. I've just been sued for even mentioning the suggestions' existences.
Yes lets! I was just at the dinosaurs in Cabazon, California. Leave it to creationists to buy dinosaur statues in an attempt to spread their ridiculous beliefs that dinosaurs themselves disprove. Kind of like vegans buying a giant statue of a steak to promote not eating steak.
Complaining about the fact that Nobel didn't make a provision in his will to institute a prize for a field of science that didn't exists in his time makes even less sense than the creationist argument that evolution isn't a science since Darwin wasn't awarded a Nobel Prize (hint: Darwin died before Nobel).
But it is probably complaint-worthy that evolution didn't get a category.
"I do not know an instance of a major mathematical advance initiated by a man past fifty."
Fair enough, but I don't think "we can't think of any advances made by anyone under 40" is good justification for keeping an age limit. That will only hold up until someone over 40 comes along with a major advance, at which point I suspect the reasoning will become cyclical: it can't be a major advance because he's over 40.
Or she. I'm assuming the Fields medal doesn't discriminate against gender?
Biology should also be a category. Awards for biologists are often shoehorned into physiology, medicine, or chemistry, but as with computing, that can't encompass the whole field. I think that Stephen Jay Gould and Niles Eldredge should have been given a Nobel for punctuated equilibrium, but evolutionary theory doesn't fit into any of those categories. Ecology and population genetics too seem like areas of biology that aren't covered.
Also seems like quite an oversight to give an award for literature but not other arts. Videogames specifically. You can't convince me that Samuel Beckett deserved a Nobel, but Shigeru Miyamoto, creator of Mario Bros doesn't. I've read waiting for Godot. Pretentious crap I say! I'd rather play Super Mario Sunshine than read Beckett.
On the bright side, a conductive bullet hitting the side will cause a nice discharge and maybe a fire.
You mean, if I'm in one of these cars, getting shot at with bullets COULD BE DANGEROUS? Goodness!
Or if a piece of metal pierces the capacitor after a collision, and the discharge either ignites gas fumes if the car is a hybrid, or the short heats something and causes a fire.
Again, I don't see how that would be unique to capacitors in the frame. Seems that if you have a collision, and gas is released, -that's- the dangerous part.
Also, if capacitors are in a door panel, which of course moves, then the energy-carrying cable leading out of the door will be flexed every time the door moves, until the day the cable breaks. Although window motor cables seem to endure without breaking, so maybe it's okay.
And power locks, and power to the mirrors. So... we agree this is probably not actually an insurmountable problem that engineers would be unable to solve, right?
I remember experiments in college with exploding-wire phenomena, where we pulsed conductors with capacitors and vaporized wires. This both generates a shock pulse and can do a soft X-ray discharge. Yeah, I want that in my car.
Ideally the engineers would have taken more classes on the subject and would be able to discern whether or not it was -safe- and would do some testing.
I skimmed the article, and I can say this much: they mean a fairly specific type and use of data.
Too much data from scientific results? Only the researcher him or herself would ever say there's "too much data." Everyone else says "not enough data." Everyone. At all times. Especially his committee and reviewers. Even when I've worked so hard for so long for so little money. After all, THEY'RE not the ones who are sacrificing their happiness, time, effort, hairline, and relationships to...
Uh, I mean, yeah, the article is vaguely worded and doesn't apply universally, and my life sucks.
The day it goes into effect, Amazon will terminate its affiliate relationships with everyone in California, and will continue doing business normally without paying a dime of sales taxes. This is what has happened in every state that has passed similar laws, and there's no reason any sane, intelligent person would believe that Amazon would value California affiliates so highly that they would not cut them off in a heartbeat if it meant not losing a sizable percentage of California sales to other companies that don't have to charge CA sales tax
I'm not familiar with the internal workings of Amazon, but I don't see how they could possibly just drop the world's 8th largest economy and suffer no losses. Are you saying the amount they'd lose by paying taxes would be greater than the amount they make on sales to California? Because I'm skeptical of that. I guess I'm not sane or intelligent.
6: Without Amazon and the like, your local stores have a virtual monopoly over providing you these items.
I don't think amazon and the like would disappear because they were taxed like other businesses. Even if they did, I still wouldn't be limited to "local" stores. Even if I were, that's STILL not a monopoly.
They are, but it's a big deficit and cutting alone is in my opinion not the best option. For one thing, in budget negotiations, it isn't just the crap that gets cut, what gets cut is the most politically expendable. Closing tax loopholes on businesses is, in my opinion, preferable to cutting dropout recovery programs, women's shelters, and scholarships.
Isnt this the state that recently just spent $100 million on a new school, and wants to outfit all their students with ipads?
You tell me. I googled about the ipad thing and only came up with one private school arming all their students with ipads. That's not the California budget, if private institutions want to waste their own money, that's their money. I wouldn't put it past some idiotic individuals proposing that, but the legislature proposing -any- spending increase on education, let alone an ungodly amount as that, I would need to see in writing.
And 100 million for a school? Shocking! Trivial when you consider that the state deficit is 27 Billion, and I wonder how much of that 100 million came out of the state's coffers, but still, shocking!
And now theres supposed to be some kind of sympathy because theyre (still) running out of money?
They're not asking for sympathy, they're asking for the money they're supposed to be getting.
Maybe, just maybe, countries don't need to "run" - they just need to "exist". Food for thought.
(sigh) existing WOULD require money. Armies aren't free, and there was a reasonable fear that England would take us back over even if we DID boot them out. So no, your comment shows no thought, and has no relevance to the discussion.
I'd argue that the wastes in private funding, to find drugs that have no benefit to the public, are more often just wastes, while the article points out several reasons why the "duh" studies using public funds are not as wasteful as you might think.
As opposed to what? The private funds which are typically used to find a new drug with exactly the same efficacy as an old drug that the patent is going to expire on?
No, it was the lack of representation that got us a revolution. They didn't have cable news back then: no one was dumb enough to believe that the new country would run without any taxes of any kind.
They might lose that much however, as companies move out of state and leave people unemployed.
Maybe, but there are teachers, school employees, government workers, law enforcement, and a large number of other people working on tax dollars that are definitely facing unemployment too due to the budget shortcomings. The legislature should ideally weigh the harms of that against the potential disadvantages of actually collecting a tax they said they were going to tax and those companies should have been budgeting for in the first place...
But of course I'm not even fooling myself, this WILL BE decided based on lobbyists and how willing we voters are to believe that all taxes are evil things that only hurt us.
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You're right that the mere fact that it was his constituents shouldn't be a major reason, but it would hit closer to home to put faces on the consequences. Realistically, it matters. Furthermore, he and his fellow politicians didn't realize how many jobs were involved. He worked in education and legislature, what does he know about manufacturing, or the scale of the industry? It does change the balance of harms vs benefits.
When has a Corporate Special Interest Group ever told the complete truth?
In high school, I had a civics teacher who was also serving on the state legislature (it was a flyover state, not much important going on.) He said lobbyists at least at that level generally wouldn't lie to lawmakers: if a lobbyist loses his credibility with lawmakers, that really damages his ability to influence policy, they were usually a valuable source of information. His example was radar detectors in cars, the state was considering banning them. He didn't know anything about them, and until he talked to lobbyists, didn't realize that a radar detector manufacturer had a plant in that state. A significant number of his constituents' jobs could be affected.
There are clear cases where corporate special interest groups are scum, yes, but I think it's overly simplistic to imply that -all- interest groups are corrupt. I think this is more of a case of a generally corrupt industry with lobbyists. Big content is a worse blight on our culture and economy than lobbyists as a group are: plenty of lobbyists are working to make our politicians less ignorant on causes that affect you.
It's rare that the garden-variety "Geek" ever had much time for what could be called "intellectual" pursuits.There's not a high degree of literacy in geekdom, outside of their specialised technologies. Plato? Proust? Swift? Wittgenstein? Wilde? Eco? Baudrillard? Pound? Spinoza? Aquinas? Borges?
Wiki says an intellectual is "An intellectual is a person who uses intelligence (thought and reason) and critical or analytical reasoning in either a professional or a personal capacity."
You're right that they've never been the most literary or philosophical group, but there are multiple types of "intellectuals" A scientist definitely qualifies as "intellectual" in my book. At least 40% of scientists are geeks in my estimation, and most geeks seem to like science.
Maybe there are some geeks who are anti-academic, disliking the higher education system, and maybe they do have more of a voice than they used to. As an academic scientist, I dislike the notion that we spend too much time learning, but maybe we do pay too much for it. They have a point. But that's not "anti-intellectual" in my opinion.
I wasn't talking about the scientific nobel prizes. I was talking about the literature one specifically. This is more akin to "Backdoor girls 3 should win the adult movie award for sexiest scene given that debbie does dallas won and is far less sexy."
I also wasn't seriously suggesting "which one I like better" should be the standard for what deserves a nobel prize. The standards for the lit prize, set in Nobel's will, now that I look them up, are "the most outstanding work in an ideal direction... writings which, by virtue of their form and style, possess literary value."
Outstanding, form and style possessing artistic value. Not exactly concrete, measurable qualities. I'd take the position that Mario wins that one. Far bigger impact on our culture. Certainly outstanding from the field, undoubtedly the most played game from the NES era is a mario game, either 1 or 3 by critics and everyone else as well. Pioneering platformers in both 2D and then again in 3D, that certainly counts as a form with value. Stylistically, they are outstanding.
Culturally, I suspect they have a greater impact than the whole modernist movement did. Deeper meanings, there is an environmentalist streak to some of the games, especially sunshine. With Beckett, you have to dig so deep for meaning that I suspect most of the academics who claim they're there are just looking for meaning in tea leaves. His play "breath" was a pile of garbage and a baby crying, over in 30 seconds. There's no real value there, just english majors wanking each other off.
But the summary DOES mention that Cydia was working on the phone. It sounds like he installed iSSH using Cydia (I have no idea if iSSH is available through Cydia or just the app store) and that was the proof that it was working properly.
If he had installed an app available only through Cydia and not itunes, I don't know why that would be more convincing. Maybe for some reason iSSH was the only one that worked on iOS5?
He did install Cydia too, from those screenshots.
Yes, but in those screenshots, it's right next to Cydia (the app store alternative) which is definitely not.
It does seem true to me that in general, if someone says "Wait, not enough people participated in making that decision!!!" they
.cx domain they want to submit for your consideration.
-don't actually care about the number of people making the decision so much as they care that they were not ONE of that number
-are more interested in trying to sound smart than doing anything.
or
-are opposed for some reason to the outcome of the decision but don't have any really convincing arguments to make against it
"The entire Web community should decide which features should be supported." Yeah, uh, the internet troll association just called. The features they want are whatever features no one else wants, and the features they're opposed to are any features that anyone else wants. Also they have some pictures from the
We also made a suggestion box for features to be supported, but they're all "FRIST SUGGESTION POST!!!1!!!!" for some reason.
Oh, and since we're consulting the whole community, the RIAA, MPAA, and Sony have several boxes of suggestions for features, but you can't look at them, they're mega-super-duper secret. I've just been sued for even mentioning the suggestions' existences.
Particularly with that guy who claims to have invented the Internet winning one for making a scientifically inaccurate movie
Does the fact that Al Gore never said he invented the internet make you question whether you're wrong about everything else?
Yes lets! I was just at the dinosaurs in Cabazon, California. Leave it to creationists to buy dinosaur statues in an attempt to spread their ridiculous beliefs that dinosaurs themselves disprove. Kind of like vegans buying a giant statue of a steak to promote not eating steak.
Complaining about the fact that Nobel didn't make a provision in his will to institute a prize for a field of science that didn't exists in his time makes even less sense than the creationist argument that evolution isn't a science since Darwin wasn't awarded a Nobel Prize (hint: Darwin died before Nobel).
But it is probably complaint-worthy that evolution didn't get a category.
"I do not know an instance of a major mathematical advance initiated by a man past fifty."
Fair enough, but I don't think "we can't think of any advances made by anyone under 40" is good justification for keeping an age limit. That will only hold up until someone over 40 comes along with a major advance, at which point I suspect the reasoning will become cyclical: it can't be a major advance because he's over 40.
Or she. I'm assuming the Fields medal doesn't discriminate against gender?
Biology should also be a category. Awards for biologists are often shoehorned into physiology, medicine, or chemistry, but as with computing, that can't encompass the whole field. I think that Stephen Jay Gould and Niles Eldredge should have been given a Nobel for punctuated equilibrium, but evolutionary theory doesn't fit into any of those categories. Ecology and population genetics too seem like areas of biology that aren't covered.
Also seems like quite an oversight to give an award for literature but not other arts. Videogames specifically. You can't convince me that Samuel Beckett deserved a Nobel, but Shigeru Miyamoto, creator of Mario Bros doesn't. I've read waiting for Godot. Pretentious crap I say! I'd rather play Super Mario Sunshine than read Beckett.
On the bright side, a conductive bullet hitting the side will cause a nice discharge and maybe a fire.
You mean, if I'm in one of these cars, getting shot at with bullets COULD BE DANGEROUS? Goodness!
Or if a piece of metal pierces the capacitor after a collision, and the discharge either ignites gas fumes if the car is a hybrid, or the short heats something and causes a fire.
Again, I don't see how that would be unique to capacitors in the frame. Seems that if you have a collision, and gas is released, -that's- the dangerous part.
Also, if capacitors are in a door panel, which of course moves, then the energy-carrying cable leading out of the door will be flexed every time the door moves, until the day the cable breaks. Although window motor cables seem to endure without breaking, so maybe it's okay.
And power locks, and power to the mirrors. So... we agree this is probably not actually an insurmountable problem that engineers would be unable to solve, right?
I remember experiments in college with exploding-wire phenomena, where we pulsed conductors with capacitors and vaporized wires. This both generates a shock pulse and can do a soft X-ray discharge. Yeah, I want that in my car.
Ideally the engineers would have taken more classes on the subject and would be able to discern whether or not it was -safe- and would do some testing.
1 Sony CD Walkman and lots of less expensive Sony stuff.
Wait... what's less expensive than a Sony CD Walkman? A broken Sony CD walkman? A Sony minidisc player? A year's subscription to PSN?
I skimmed the article, and I can say this much: they mean a fairly specific type and use of data.
Too much data from scientific results? Only the researcher him or herself would ever say there's "too much data." Everyone else says "not enough data." Everyone. At all times. Especially his committee and reviewers. Even when I've worked so hard for so long for so little money. After all, THEY'RE not the ones who are sacrificing their happiness, time, effort, hairline, and relationships to...
Uh, I mean, yeah, the article is vaguely worded and doesn't apply universally, and my life sucks.
The day it goes into effect, Amazon will terminate its affiliate relationships with everyone in California, and will continue doing business normally without paying a dime of sales taxes. This is what has happened in every state that has passed similar laws, and there's no reason any sane, intelligent person would believe that Amazon would value California affiliates so highly that they would not cut them off in a heartbeat if it meant not losing a sizable percentage of California sales to other companies that don't have to charge CA sales tax
I'm not familiar with the internal workings of Amazon, but I don't see how they could possibly just drop the world's 8th largest economy and suffer no losses. Are you saying the amount they'd lose by paying taxes would be greater than the amount they make on sales to California? Because I'm skeptical of that. I guess I'm not sane or intelligent.
6: Without Amazon and the like, your local stores have a virtual monopoly over providing you these items.
I don't think amazon and the like would disappear because they were taxed like other businesses. Even if they did, I still wouldn't be limited to "local" stores. Even if I were, that's STILL not a monopoly.
I'm paying too much in taxes to get nothing in return.
Really? You have no law enforcement or roads in your area? ... actually I guess that might somewhat cancel itself out.
Or they could rein in their budget.
They are, but it's a big deficit and cutting alone is in my opinion not the best option. For one thing, in budget negotiations, it isn't just the crap that gets cut, what gets cut is the most politically expendable. Closing tax loopholes on businesses is, in my opinion, preferable to cutting dropout recovery programs, women's shelters, and scholarships.
Isnt this the state that recently just spent $100 million on a new school, and wants to outfit all their students with ipads?
You tell me. I googled about the ipad thing and only came up with one private school arming all their students with ipads. That's not the California budget, if private institutions want to waste their own money, that's their money. I wouldn't put it past some idiotic individuals proposing that, but the legislature proposing -any- spending increase on education, let alone an ungodly amount as that, I would need to see in writing.
And 100 million for a school? Shocking! Trivial when you consider that the state deficit is 27 Billion, and I wonder how much of that 100 million came out of the state's coffers, but still, shocking!
And now theres supposed to be some kind of sympathy because theyre (still) running out of money?
They're not asking for sympathy, they're asking for the money they're supposed to be getting.
Maybe, just maybe, countries don't need to "run" - they just need to "exist". Food for thought.
(sigh) existing WOULD require money. Armies aren't free, and there was a reasonable fear that England would take us back over even if we DID boot them out. So no, your comment shows no thought, and has no relevance to the discussion.
I'd argue that the wastes in private funding, to find drugs that have no benefit to the public, are more often just wastes, while the article points out several reasons why the "duh" studies using public funds are not as wasteful as you might think.
As opposed to what? The private funds which are typically used to find a new drug with exactly the same efficacy as an old drug that the patent is going to expire on?
No, it was the lack of representation that got us a revolution. They didn't have cable news back then: no one was dumb enough to believe that the new country would run without any taxes of any kind.
They might lose that much however, as companies move out of state and leave people unemployed.
Maybe, but there are teachers, school employees, government workers, law enforcement, and a large number of other people working on tax dollars that are definitely facing unemployment too due to the budget shortcomings. The legislature should ideally weigh the harms of that against the potential disadvantages of actually collecting a tax they said they were going to tax and those companies should have been budgeting for in the first place...
But of course I'm not even fooling myself, this WILL BE decided based on lobbyists and how willing we voters are to believe that all taxes are evil things that only hurt us.