iOS 5 Jailbroken

Mightee writes "MuscleNerd of the iPhone Dev Team has posted some pictures on his twitter account, confirming the jailbreak works fine on iOS 5, but of course it is limited to tethered boot only, which means you will have to connect it to your computer on every reboot. According to his initial testing, Cydia appears to be working just fine on his jailbroken 4th-gen iPod touch; he managed to install an SSHing utility app called iSSH successfully, which can be seen in one of the screenshots below."

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[BrokenBeta]

Article images seem to be broken.

Interestingly enough there are some images which are ok and link to related content, such as "Unusual Facts About Breasts" and "Goalkeeper Attacks Hot Reporter". These images seem to work ok.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Don't forget about the fact that CmdrTaco has a 2 millimeter penis long penis.

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[somersault]

2 millimeter penis long penis.

Somewhat redundant, but possibly grammatically and factually correct.

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[WrongSizeGlass]

Article images seem to be broken.

Here they are:

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[Anonymous Coward]

2 millimeter penis long penis.

Somewhat redundant, but possibly grammatically and factually correct.

It's just a new meme.

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[__aaqvdr516]

Forbidden, forbidden, and forbidden.

of course

[Anonymous Coward]

"but of course it is limited to tethered boot only". Does the word "of course" in there mean it assumes I knew this already, or find it very evident that this is so?

Re:of course

[WrongSizeGlass]

"but of course it is limited to tethered boot only". Does the word "of course" in there mean it assumes I knew this already, or find it very evident that this is so?

But of course.

Re:of course

[nthitz]

Jailbreaks since 4.2 have all been tethered boot only. It's the main reason I'm still running 4.1

Re:of course

[Anonymous Coward]

This isn't true at all; 4.3.3 has an untethered jailbreak.

Re:of course

[Deus.1.01]

No, he meant its not a Range Rover.

Re:of course

[RMingin]

Wrong. GeoHotz rolled out GreenPois0n last year. GP should, in theory, allow all of the then-current devices (pretty much everything before iPad 2) to have at least a tethered jailbreak forever. It's a very low level exploit. To become untethered, you need a userspace exploit that can reapply GP each bootup.

4.3.1-4.3.3 inclusive all have untethered exploits, courtesy of i0nic. I'm running 4.3.3 untethered on my iPad 1.

Well that didn't take long.

[scuzzmonkey69]

What is it? Less than 12 hours?

Re:Well that didn't take long.

[somersault]

I wasn't aware it was even on the horizon. Looking at the list of features, it seems like they are doing a nice job of copying Android 3.0.

Re:Well that didn't take long.

[Anonymous Coward]

Only fair since the original Android was a clone of iOS.

Re:Well that didn't take long.

[yarnosh]

Nah, had they copied Android they'd have problems with apps randomly starting and draining the battery. I actually talked to an Android user the other day who was talking about reinstalling the OS because of app/battery problems. Between that a recent malware problems, I wonder if Android is the Windows of mobile phones. (yes, I know there is literally a WIndows for mobile phones already)

Re:Well that didn't take long.

[iluvcapra]

They copied everything but the ads and carrier brown-nosing.

Re:Well that didn't take long.

[somersault]

I have a couple of Android devices (2.2 and 3.0) and they don't do that. He's probably got a load of dodgy widgets running on his desktop. It's the Windows of mobile phones in that it lets you install anything you want, yes. Accordingly, dumb people should stick to iOS.

Re:Well that didn't take long.

[biglig2]

Well, can you blame them? Poor old Steve, sitting hunched over the phone for hour after hour, waiting, praying, hoping that somersault will call...

"But Steve!" says Jonny. "The only sensible way to do notifications is to show a list of notifications!"
"But Steve!" says Scott. "We have to bring it up with a gesture, there's nowhere else to add a universal UI element!"

"To hell with you all!" snarled Steve. "somersault will think of a way to do it where we won't be accused of copying Android! He must think of a way!"

But in the end the call never came....

Re:Well that didn't take long.

[somersault]

Sure it was, I just felt like poking some fun at the fanbois. It's funny to watch them squirm when their worldview is conflicted.

Re:Well that didn't take long.

[yarnosh]

It is a well known issue, battery life on Android. And I'm not blaming Android directly. Certainly there are many reasons. Bad apps, dumb users, etc. But you can say that much about Windows. For some reason it takes a lot of extra effort/caution to maintain a healthy Windows/Android system than other systems. Just because someone might choose not to have to worry abotu that kind of shit and go iPhone, doesn't mean they're dumb. I, for one, don't think users shoudl have to worry about shit like that. These devices shoudl just work. Does it mean my options for installing apps are somewhat limited? Maybe, but in practice it really doesn't matter that much.

Re:Well that didn't take long.

[biglig2]

Lies!

The original Android was a clone of Blackberry.

It was only after the iPhone came out that it became a clone of iOS....

Re:Well that didn't take long.

[Hijacked Public]

Which was a 'clone' of OSX, which was a 'clone' of Mach, which was a 'clone' of BSD, which was a 'clone' of Unix, and so on and so forth.

Re:Well that didn't take long.

[tom17]

BUT BUT BUT APPLE SAID iOS IS ALREADY YEARS AHEAD!!!!

"With iOS 5, we’ve added over 200 new features — taking a mobile operating system that was already years ahead of anything else and moving it even further ahead. " - Apple.com

How do they get away with that? The problem is, people believe it because they said it.

Re:Well that didn't take long.

[dingen]

The initial release of Android was well over a year after the release of the iPhone.

Re:Well that didn't take long.

[Anonymous Coward]

How is OS X, an OS, a "clone" of Mach which is nothing but a kernel? And how is it a "clone" of BSD when the vast majority of the OS X APIs and software have nothing to do with the tacked on BSD part for the UNIX certification? You fail hard, fucktard.

Re:Well that didn't take long.

[larry bagina]

Android was a blackberry clone before it was an iPhoneOS clone.

Re:Well that didn't take long.

[h4rr4r]

It matters a lot, go try to install scummvm, or a tethering app. Either users get freedom or they lose choice.

Re:Well that didn't take long.

[oakgrove]

Does it mean my options for installing apps are somewhat limited? Maybe, but in practice it really doesn't matter that much.

I think you may be glossing over some of the other obvious benefits of Android over the iPhone that are just as important. Things like choice of form factor for example. Some people like devices with slide out keyboards like the Samsung Epic 4G or blackberry-esque business phones like the Droid Pro. People, at least in the US, like to have a choice of carrier. Sprint and T-Mobile have Android, they don't have iPhones. And don't discount the widget loving contingent of Android users. Many people like those giant clock and weather report boxes on their home screens rather than just a static icon list. There are obviously many reasons people choose Android as evidenced by the meteoric rise in market share and it is a bit arrogant for you to presume what people "need to worry about" when it comes to their choice of phone.

Re:Well that didn't take long.

[TheRaven64]

And how is it a "clone" of BSD when the vast majority of the OS X APIs and software have nothing to do with the tacked on BSD part for the UNIX certification?

The vast majority of OS X APIs are heavily dependent on libc (FreeBSD libc + some Apple extensions) and on the kernel's BSD subsystem...

Re:Well that didn't take long.

[macs4all]

Which was a 'clone' of OSX, which was a 'clone' of Mach, which was a 'clone' of BSD, which was a 'clone' of Unix, and so on and so forth.

I'm pretty sure that they were referring to the general UI design.

Re:Well that didn't take long.

[macs4all]

Nah, had they copied Android they'd have problems with apps randomly starting and draining the battery. I actually talked to an Android user the other day who was talking about reinstalling the OS because of app/battery problems. Between that a recent malware problems, I wonder if Android is the Windows of mobile phones. (yes, I know there is literally a WIndows for mobile phones already)

Yeah, it's a real shame that iOS is so deficient in features!

Re:Well that didn't take long.

[macs4all]

It matters a lot, go try to install scummvm, or a tethering app. Either users get freedom or they lose choice.

Yeah, I just can't imagine how the iOS users stand only having 300,000 or so malware-free apps. The restrictions are horrible. Simply horrible.

Re:Well that didn't take long.

[jeremyp]

A fair proportion of OS X has its roots in BSD. In the kernel, the virtual file system and the network stack were originally taken directly from BSD. The system call API has BSD semantics and quite a lot of the command line utilities are ported from BSD. The BSD part was there from the start, long before OS X achieved Unix certification.

Re:Well that didn't take long.

[yarnosh]

I think you may be glossing over some of the other obvious benefits of Android over the iPhone that are just as important. Things like choice of form factor for example. Some people like devices with slide out keyboards like the Samsung Epic 4G or blackberry-esque business phones like the Droid Pro.

But that's not really a Droid vs. iOS thing. It is hardware.

People, at least in the US, like to have a choice of carrier.

For sure. I refused to get an iPhone because I don't want AT&T, but now there's Verizon, so at least there's some choice. But I was really referring to applications. THere's hardly a shortage of iPhone apps.

And don't discount the widget loving contingent of Android users. Many people like those giant clock and weather report boxes on their home screens rather than just a static icon list. There are obviously many reasons people choose Android as evidenced by the meteoric rise in market share and it is a bit arrogant for you to presume what people "need to worry about" when it comes to their choice of phone.

I'm just saying Android is the "Windows" of phones. I find the parallels that are arising to be rather amusing. There are definitly drawbacks ot all that "choice" and people should be aware of that. And I don't think it is fair to suggest that dumb people choose iPhone.

Disclaimer: I'm not actually a smartphone user of any sort, though I will probably get an iPhone because I don't have any preconcieved notions about how it should function. I just want something that works and isn't going to be a hassle to maintain should I choose to install lots of stuff.

Re:Well that didn't take long.

[jrroche]

It matters a lot, go try to install scummvm, or a tethering app. Either users get freedom or they lose choice.

Yeah, I just can't imagine how the iOS users stand only having 300,000 or so malware-free apps. The restrictions are horrible. Simply horrible.

If you have a million apps, and none of them give you the feature you want because it's restricted, you may as well have zero. If Honda lets me choose from 300,000 spoilers and paint colors for my car, but I have no way of getting cruise control installed, why would I care how many colors I have available?

Re:Well that didn't take long.

[somersault]

You mean it didn't have notifications before?

I wasn't blaming anything, it's sensible to copy good ideas.

Re:Well that didn't take long.

[somersault]

Well, a coworker with a new Android phone said to me how the battery life was atrocious. I had a look, told her to turn off WiFi and Bluetooth when she wasn't using them (and put a widget on her desktop to monitor these things, if it wasn't already there, I can't remember), and the next day she was saying how amazing the battery life was. I would have thought the iPhone had the same issues there though.

Re:Well that didn't take long.

[iluvcapra]

There were Android prototypes predating the iPhone announcement, like the HTC Omni and this rather suggestive keyboard candybar (doesn't look like an iPhone to me). Remember, Android was a company that had been developing their software for years before Google bought it.

Re:Well that didn't take long.

[somersault]

All Apple OSes are inherently tied to their hardware (or at least, they try to be).

It's always been that way since the first Apple computers, and there's no reason to think it will change. So pointing to the variety of hardware available on Android is a valid plus point.

The parallel to Windows is that it's popular and can run on a multitude of hardware, that seems about it. It's the same as OSX and Linux when it comes to malware too - but for the fact that those OSes aren't quite so popular. In fact it's slightly more secure than OSX and most Linux distros in that it gives you some insight into what privileges the app has. Users will always be able to install malware if you give them install privileges.

Re:Well that didn't take long.

[teh kurisu]

Don't forget the handsets. A fair few flagship handsets, like the HTC Evo 4G, have had pretty atrocious battery life due to their hardware.

That's not necessarily fair on Android, because there are as many handsets with acceptable battery life as there are with mediocre battery life. But the mediocre ones are the ones that you hear about, and the reputation can stick. And there aren't any touch-screen smartphones that can come close to the battery life of older, dumber feature phones, simply because they're doing more, so you're never going to hear anybody singing the praises of their Android smartphone's battery life.

This is one of the advantages of Apple's vertical market (for Apple anyway) - the reputation of iOS for battery life lives or dies by the batteries that Apple choose to put in their devices.

Re:Well that didn't take long.

[iluvcapra]

Don't be TOO smug, Google did pull all of the tethering apps from their market, and if the main feature you want on your new Android phone is "Delete my VZ Navigator," you're SOL without jailbreaking, so you're back where the iPhone people are.

Re:Well that didn't take long.

[h4rr4r]

No matter what google does you can still install from outside the market. Meaning that wired tether can be done without rooting.

Try knowing what you are talking about, before you say something.

Re:Well that didn't take long.

[iluvcapra]

Some people like devices with slide out keyboards like the Samsung Epic 4G or blackberry-esque business phones like the Droid Pro.

Some people also like to be able to always run the latest OS without jailbreaking or waiting for their carrier modulo their OEM to get their act together.

Sprint and T-Mobile have Android, they don't have iPhones.

I don't have a Discover card either, I dunno how I survive without the added options. T-Mobile still exists?

There are obviously many reasons people choose Android as evidenced by the meteoric rise in market share and it is a bit arrogant for you to presume what people "need to worry about" when it comes to their choice of phone.

Two-for-one deals and "I want a phone that supplements an iPhone and is compatible with my network," is a powerful force. Android somehow has a majority of share and growth among smartphones, yet it does about 1/4 of all the mobile web browsing and something like 1/5th of all the app sales. These are people who don't care what phone they use, because they wanted feature phones and got upsold by marketing into an iPhone they couldn't buy. Android has many features but they don't penetrate most of its market, they're just there to make phones move off the shelf as "good enough" to compete with iPhones.

Re:Well that didn't take long.

[iluvcapra]

No matter what google does you can still install from outside the market. Meaning that wired tether can be done without rooting.

Oh I know, but I doubt more than 10% of Android users ever go anywhere other than the market for apps, and it does sorta ruin the possibility that anybody could ever sell a tethering app for money; and that doesn't dispose of my second point, homeslice.

Re:Well that didn't take long.

[h4rr4r]

You can sell apps outside the market, the amazon app store is one location. You could even sell them from your own website if you wanted too.

Not sure what you mean about me not disposing of your second point, but root is not needed for wired tether.

Re:Well that didn't take long.

[iluvcapra]

Unable to reproduce this fault on an iPhone, it'll run the day or two and the only time I ever go into the wifi menu is when I specifically don't want it to join things -- so I'm turning it off not to save power, but, ironically, to avoid getting bugged by a bunch of modal, non-Androidy notifications.

Re:Well that didn't take long.

[oakgrove]

Some people also like to be able to always run the latest OS without jailbreaking or waiting for their carrier modulo their OEM to get their act together.

Yeah, some people do. I'd bet it's mostly nerds (like myself) that run around on tech blogs more so than the general population. Normal people buy an appliance when they get a cell phone and that's what they want. You don't upgrade the OS on an appliance. Smartphones in particular are complicated. People that aren't nerds have a hard enough time just getting used to how it is out of the box, do you really think that just when they are starting to feel cool using their new device that they want the rug snatched from underneath them by rebooting their phone into an unfamiliar version of the OS? Of course they don't.

Two-for-one deals and "I want a phone that supplements an iPhone and is compatible with my network," is a powerful force.

I know, isn't it just terrible that there is a great smartphone that normal working people can actually afford? The HORROR!

Android somehow has a majority of share and growth among smartphones, yet it does about 1/4 of all the mobile web browsing and something like 1/5th of all the app sales.

Why lie, man? Do you think it helps your case to quote such easily verifiably bogus stats? Here, Android has 36.4 percent of smartphone subscribers in the US and it is extremely doubtful that it is higher than that worldwide what with the penetration of Symbian. That is no kind of a majority so please just stop. BTW, the exposition of your lies invalidates the rest of your argument that was based on said lies.

Re:Well that didn't take long.

[iluvcapra]

You can sell apps outside the market, the amazon app store is one location. You could even sell them from your own website if you wanted too.

Without the placement on the store you're doomed. No one outside a few enthusiasts will know you exist -- if you're going to sell Android apps, placement in the Market (and the cobranding and Google imprimatur) is obligatory, otherwise you're just some hack selling Palm software on a rack at the Office Depot circa 2001.

Not sure what you mean about me not disposing of your second point, but root is not needed for wired tether.

If you buy a Motorola, how do you delete MOTOBLUR without rooting? If you buy a Verizon phone, how do delete VZ Navigator without rooting?

It's the whole point really. People whine about Apple taking away their freedom and act like Android can polish the OEM's and carrier's shit, when in the end if you want to "do what you want with your own phone" you either have to jailbreak, Android OR iOS, or your options are very limited.

Re:Well that didn't take long.

[h4rr4r]

Without the placement on the store you're doomed. No one outside a few enthusiasts will know you exist -- if you're going to sell Android apps, placement in the Market (and the cobranding and Google imprimatur) is obligatory, otherwise you're just some hack selling Palm software on a rack at the Office Depot circa 2001.

Amazon app store disagrees with you, it is doing quite well.

If you buy a Motorola, how do you delete MOTOBLUR without rooting? If you buy a Verizon phone, how do delete VZ Navigator without rooting?

It's the whole point really. People whine about Apple taking away their freedom and act like Android can polish the OEM's and carrier's shit, when in the end if you want to "do what you want with your own phone" you either have to jailbreak, Android OR iOS, or your options are very limited.

You buy a phone with vanilla android, a Nexus model is a good example. I would rather have a slim selection of phones that run Android that I can own, vs no selection of iPhones I can actually own.

Re:Well that didn't take long.

[yarnosh]

The parallel to Windows is that it's popular and can run on a multitude of hardware, that seems about it.

When I start to hear people talking about reinstalling the Android OS to fix problems arising from applications they've instsalled, it reminds me a lot of working with Windows. Reinstalling when things get crazy used to be a very "Windows" thing to do. My girlfriend recently had to install some software to monitor apps because they were just spontaneously launching and wasting battery despite trying to configure the apps to not launch. The whole thing reminds me so much of my Window Hell days. Anyway, it makes *me* chuckle a bit. I don't put up with that kind of shit anymore.

Re:Well that didn't take long.

[Black.Shuck]

If you want to make fanboys squirm, it's good to start by not being wrong. Apple changed an entire industry. Google copied their work and have so far made only obvious, incremental improvements.

I'm not saying this isn't praiseworthy, but being over-congratulatory is a far more myopic worldview than one that fairly acknowledges Apple's initial hammer-blow followed by steady (if slow) improvements.

Re:Well that didn't take long.

[Anonymous Coward]

Every benefit you mentioned (aside from form-factor) can be achieved through jailbreaking/unlocking. Since I like the iPhone form factor just fine, I'll stick with that.

Re:Well that didn't take long.

[jo_ham]

The "meteoric rise" in Android might also have something to do with the legion of really cheap Android phones - people are wanting to get in on this whole "smartphone" thing, but don't want to pay a great deal.

Unfortunately, this is a double edged sword for Android - the cheap handsets help marketshare growth in an area that Apple is simply not competing in, but it can leave a negative impression of the platform as a whole.

I've used some beautiful Android phones, and I have used some really, really poor ones that do a disservice to the brand. The really nice ones are similar in cost to the iPhone, which is no real surprise. There are clearly pros and cons to each business model, but it pains me to see people using substandard stuff because they were taken in by the lure of a lower price.

Re:Well that didn't take long.

[Anonymous Coward]

When I start to hear people talking about reinstalling the Android OS to fix problems arising from applications they've instsalled, it reminds me a lot of working with Windows.

There are people that would rather buy a new computer than defrag their hard drive. That, of course, is just as stupid as it sounds. Please don't insult your own intelligence by validating that level of user stupidity. It's like smashing the lightbulb rather than turning off the switch. If your Android device doesn't work well with a particular collection of apps, uninstall the apps. Of course, what you are really arguing against is choice and flexibility. Hey, more power to you.

Re:Well that didn't take long.

[iluvcapra]

do you really think that just when they are starting to feel cool using their new device that they want the rug snatched from underneath them by rebooting their phone into an unfamiliar version of the OS? Of course they don't.

If people don't care about having the latest Android, then it's very questionable if they care very much about having any Android.

I know, isn't it just terrible that there is a great smartphone that normal working people can actually afford? The HORROR!

I think you miss my point -- it's not that they could afford them, it's that they had no preference for them. People are just buying the default and the features and market differentiation of Android is having only marginal effect. Android isn't bought because people want it, it's bought because it's what's on the shelf. Android users could become Windows users next week if Microsoft makes a better deal with Samsung and Verizon than Google makes, Android users aren't sticky. Google's completely dependent upon the carriers and OEMs to distribute their OS, and it's up to them what will run on their phones -- the bulk of the users clearly don't give a damn and will use any old thing as long as it has a touchscreen and plays movies and the web browser doesn't suck (even if they only have a quarter of the mobile web requests useragents compared to iOS's 2/3s).

The success of Android is built upon carriers and OEMs, and not upon the goodwill of its millions of end users. I would say it's a foundation of sand if Microsoft didn't do such a good job with the same business model in the 90s. Of course we all remember happy we were with our computers in that period...

Re:Well that didn't take long.

[Splab]

I don't get what I'm supposed to be doing with 300.000 apps; to me it just makes the SNR that much higher - at least on Android I get a search function build by someone with the ability to call up people who knows how to make searches...

Re:Well that didn't take long.

[oakgrove]

Every benefit you mentioned (aside from form-factor) can be achieved through jailbreaking/unlocking. Since I like the iPhone form factor just fine, I'll stick with that.

Well, of course, with enough effort and dedication, any software limitation can be broken through. Hell, if you had enough money and manpower, you could rewrite the entire OS to your liking. The only thing is, the points I outlined are available to everybody making the choice of an Android device while what you have here is only available to the vanishingly small proportion of the population that is willing and able to do a jailbreak. Now, I'm not denigrating this as I have immediately rooted every Android devices I've ever bought and installed Cyanogenmod/Tiamat kernel/you name it. But, I can do that, most people can't.

Re:Well that didn't take long.

[oakgrove]

I think you miss my point -- it's not that they could afford them, it's that they had no preference for them. People are just buying the default and the features and market differentiation of Android is having only marginal effect. Android isn't bought because people want it, it's bought because it's what's on the shelf. Android users could become Windows users next week if Microsoft makes a better deal with Samsung and Verizon than Google makes, Android users aren't sticky. Google's completely dependent upon the carriers and OEMs to distribute their OS, and it's up to them what will run on their phones -- the bulk of the users clearly don't give a damn and will use any old thing as long as it has a touchscreen and plays movies and the web browser doesn't suck

So, the crux of your argument is basically a series of anti-Android talking points that have no basis in any verifiable fact whatsoever and is just regurgitated on tech forums to fuel the fud flames and keep the fanboys happy? Got it.

Re:Well that didn't take long.

[somersault]

People keep assuming so much about my views. Apple definitely changed things for the better. They gave the smart phone world a kick in the ass. I always felt that mobile hardware was far in advance of the software/UI up until iOS shook things up. Looking at the list of updates in iOS5, they also have implemented some ideas from Android 3 (and earlier).

Re:Well that didn't take long.

[somersault]

What? Choosing to have your wireless enabled, bluetooth enabled, brightness high, etc are not "faults", they're user choices. The same woman said her husband had an app to reduce power usage on his iPhone, which I assume did things like disable unused wireless connections.

Re:Well that didn't take long.

[iluvcapra]

It seems like you can only get an open Android phone by disposing of most of what would make Android appealing and competitive.

I was recently looking for a milspec phone possibly to replace the iPhone. There are a few, but they're Motorola and ship with Eclair, today, which makes me oh-so-curious as to wether they (or Sprint) will get around to updating them. And even better, they aren't GSM and Cyanogenmod doesn't support them. So I can either have a backward phone that might or might not run the future apps I want to run, or I can spend my days in Forum Hell trying to keep the thing up to date.

I really wouldn't be in the market for a Nexus -- if I'm going to get an Android I'd want to get back into using a hardware keyboard, and the Nexus's always seemed flimsier than an iPhone to me. A lot of Android phones don't seem to have the same build quality and as long as so many of them insist on "battery door bragging rights," a battery door I would never use, I guess I'm stuck. After my Treo 650 I never want to see another battery door as long as I live.

And while Google is good at many things, I am not confident of their ability to do good end-user customer service. Very few companies can come close to dropping by one of our shops, of the six in town, where they replace your phone and it restores from an image so perfect the only way you'd know is by looking at the serial number. Somebody should copy that feature, but most vendors don't do that. I do know one that does, though.

Re:Well that didn't take long.

[iluvcapra]

talking points that have no basis in any verifiable fact whatsoever and is just regurgitated on tech forums to fuel the fud flames and keep the fanboys happy?

That's why we're here, isn't it? :)

Make a positive argument -- I'm just riffing here, lay out why I'm wrong. Don't complain that my argument is defective thus you're right.

Re:Well that didn't take long.

[iluvcapra]

What? Choosing to have your wireless enabled, bluetooth enabled, brightness high, etc are not "faults", they're user choices.

I would say that having to switch these off for the sake of power resource management is a fault-- you really shouldn't have to worry about it. Switching it off because you really don't want to use wifi, because the plane's landing or you're in some sort of high-security or EMR-controlled area, is a legit reason.

I dunno how such an app (on a non-jailbroken iPhone) would work, a 3rd party app cannot switch the wifi on and off, that's a plain security hole, because it would allow malware to do denial of service.

Re:Well that didn't take long.

[yarnosh]

There are people that would rather buy a new computer than defrag their hard drive. That, of course, is just as stupid as it sounds. Please don't insult your own intelligence by validating that level of user stupidity.

I'm not. She's really trying to solve the problem and she is tech savvy, but it is looking like it will be easier to just reinstall. The solution is not as obvious as defragging. When I had to use Windows, even I had to resort to reinstalling many times because trying to figure out what was really wrong was just driving me crazy. To this day, troubleshooting Windows drives me bonkers. But I can troubleshoot OS X or LInux without too much trouble.

It's like smashing the lightbulb rather than turning off the switch. If your Android device doesn't work well with a particular collection of apps, uninstall the apps.

It is an option, but it isn't isn't a whole lot better than reinstalling the whole system and starting from scratch. Especially since most data is synced outside of the phone.

Of course, what you are really arguing against is choice and flexibility.

I'm not arguing against anyting. I'm pointing out the downside to all that "choice" and in particular that it appears to resemble the mess found on Windows. I never had such problem on Linux, where flexibility is a mantra.

Re:Well that didn't take long.

[scot4875]

Oh I know, but I doubt more than 10% of Android users ever go anywhere other than the market for apps

Doesn't matter one fucking bit. They still can if they want to.

--Jeremy

Re:Well that didn't take long.

[MobileTatsu-NJG]

Sure it was, I just felt like poking some fun at the fanbois. It's funny to watch them squirm when their worldview is conflicted.

Heh. "I meant to do that."

Re:Well that didn't take long.

[MobileTatsu-NJG]

There were Android prototypes predating the iPhone announcement, like the HTC Omni and this rather suggestive keyboard candybar (doesn't look like an iPhone to me). Remember, Android was a company that had been developing their software for years before Google bought it.

So what you mean is it's extra clear that they were copying the iPhone.

Re:Well that didn't take long.

[oakgrove]

I'm not. She's really trying to solve the problem and she is tech savvy, but it is looking like it will be easier to just reinstall.

You are taking an anecdotal situation of a particular user's bad experience and using it as an indictment of the whole platform. Sure, a side effect of being able to download what you want when you want is going to manifest itself in facebook-widget-weatherbug service-itis until the phone slows to a crawl. And not every Android dev is a hotshot. A particular example is up until honeycomb, you could run any downloading in the same thread as the UI thus blocking the app from updating its interface until whatever it was you were downloading was done. You didn't have to do this but some people just don't know any better. Guess what, Honeycomb and Ice Cream going forward will not allow you to do this without throwing an exception. That's how it's done. You don't abandon the open platform because people are abusing it. You route around the damage and everyone including the bad developers ends up better for it in the end.

Here's another anecdote for you. I have 2 Android phones and a Motorola Xoom. I have never had the problems you mention and my phone runs blazingly fast. It's not that hard, dude.

It is an option, but it isn't isn't a whole lot better than reinstalling the whole system and starting from scratch.

Uninstalling multiple apps takes less than 5 minutes. Re imaging the phone and setting it all back up can take over an hour. How is that not a "whole lot better"?

Re:Well that didn't take long.

[iluvcapra]

Not really, I think they were just happy to copy whatever was winning that quarter. The suggestion that Android was a premeditated feature-for-feature counterstrike against the iPhone is false, but it's clear that Android absorbed the post-iPhone reality (let's put it that way, shall we?) a lot faster than RIM, Microsoft, Sony-Ericsson, Nokia, etc. did.

Obviously the Android developers have their own ideas about what should be in a phone, but one of their biggest ones is "match our competitors in features."

Re:Well that didn't take long.

[yarnosh]

You are taking an anecdotal situation of a particular user's bad experience and using it as an indictment of the whole platform.

No, I took an anecdotal situation and said it reminded me of Windows. And you're getting all defensive. You haven't really dispelled my impression either. In fact, you're using the exact same excuses people use to defend Windows and its stupid problems. Yes, I get that those problems are a side effect of flexibility and choice, but dont' try to pretend the the problems aren't there.

Uninstalling multiple apps takes less than 5 minutes. Re imaging the phone and setting it all back up can take over an hour. How is that not a "whole lot better"?

Because it is ALL the apps that are launching. SHe's end up either uninstalling everything or doing it one by one, checking to see ifthe problem has gone away after each uninstall. Wow, the fact that we're even going down this road totally reinforces my impression of Android. This is shit that users shouldn't have to deal with.

Re:Well that didn't take long.

[MobileTatsu-NJG]

You know that Eric Schmidt was on Apple's board during that time, right?

Re:Well that didn't take long.

[oakgrove]

Yes, I get that those problems are a side effect of flexibility and choice, but dont' try to pretend the the problems aren't there.

The problem of driving a car is having to get gas. The problem of living in a free society is having to pay taxes. You don't have a point other than stating the obvious.

Because it is ALL the apps that are launching.

Bull. "ALL" of her apps are not launching on boot. Please stop lying or better inform yourself.

SHe's end up either uninstalling everything or doing it one by one, checking to see ifthe problem has gone away after each uninstall

Learn to use your phone. In the settings, there is an option called "Applications". It will tell you everything that is running at that moment. Use common sense to figure out what app is causing a problem. App downloads lots of data from the 'net? Might be a problem.

Wow, the fact that we're even going down this road totally reinforces my impression of Android. This is shit that users shouldn't have to deal with.

No, the fact that we are going down this route is you are both (with all due respect) clueless on how to use your phone. Obviously, you'd rather have the walled garden experience than take the minimal amount of time it takes to not install a bunch of crap apps on your Android device. The rest of us with more than 2 brain cells to bang together will continue using our Android devices.

Re:Well that didn't take long.

[yarnosh]

The problem of driving a car is having to get gas.

No, it is more like the problem with driving certain kinds of cars is that they are more problementic, on average, to own and maintain in order to allow more flexibility.

Bull. "ALL" of her apps are not launching on boot. Please stop lying or better inform yourself.

Lying? Why would I do that? The point is that there appears to be no particular pattern or any one set of apps that are launching spontaneously. WTF does it matter if it is at boot or not?

Learn to use your phone. In the settings, there is an option called "Applications". It will tell you everything that is running at that moment. Use common sense to figure out what app is causing a problem. App downloads lots of data from the 'net? Might be a problem.

FIrst of all, it isn't my phone. But you'd know that if you were actually listening to me rather than getting a defensive about a mobile phone operating system. Second, who the hell are you to accuse me of lying and trying trivialize technical problems you know almost nothing about other than the few details I've revealed here?

(with all due respect)

With all due respect, fuck off. You don't get to say "with all due respect" after accusing me of lying and talking down to me like I'm an idiot.

Re:Well that didn't take long.

[oakgrove]

With all due respect, fuck off. You don't get to say "with all due respect" after accusing me of lying and talking down to me like I'm an idiot.

Awww... you mad, bro?

Re:Well that didn't take long.

[iluvcapra]

Are you saying he absconded with the secret plans, Snidely Whiplash-style? I like my iPhones but Google had a mobile strategy just as long as Apple probably did; they did buy Android in 2005, and their prototypes gave no impression of apeing the iPhone until after the iPhone announcement. As far as I can tell Google was full steam ahead to sell GoogBerry's until at least late 2007, when the whole landscape was in the leading edge of iPhone disruption.

Re:Well that didn't take long.

[MobileTatsu-NJG]

You've got an executive on the inside, you've got Google with intimate knowledge of the phone long before-hand (Google Maps / Youtube integration), and you've got RIM as the king of the world even after the G1's release. Did they hastily copy Apple at the last minute, or did they buy Android to copy them? I don't know and you don't know. There's easily enough there, though, to cast doubt on the idea that after the iPhone started to take off, Google suddenly said "ooh yeah we should totally ape that!"

Re:Well that didn't take long.

[Kalriath]

Unless the carrier disables installation of non-market apps.

Re:Well that didn't take long.

[MeateaW]

With an iPhone, your only option is to reinstall. Because when stuff breaks, you haven't got enough control to figure out what is wrong.

My wifes iPhone stopped taking calls properly. reinstall iOS fixed it. But ofourse now its a 3g with 4.0 iOS, and guess what. It runs like arse. yay.

Re:Well that didn't take long.

[somersault]

I did o_0 There's nothing contradictory about Android copying iOS when it first came out, and iOS copying Android now. I just wanted to point it out to those who seem to think that Apple is always light years ahead of everyone else.

Re:Well that didn't take long.

[somersault]

I would say that having to switch these off for the sake of power resource management is a fault

That's like saying that you should just keep your car's engine running 24/7 in case you need to use it, that your computer's fans should just be spinning at max all day, that your HDD should never spin down, etc. It doesn't make sense to waste energy like that, especially when you're not connected to the mains, and given the state of current battery/wireless tech.

If your device is Wi-Fi only, it's fine to leave it on, but on devices that also have 3G on all the time, you need all the power you can get. My phone's 3G connection was responsible for 56% of the device's power usage in the last day and a half (the device itself now has 50% power left), and that's only with about 2 minutes on Facebook, and a couple of texts sent/received.

503 smoking hole

[drinkypoo]

Was this an intentional DDoS or just a superfail on the part of the editorship?

Re:503 smoking hole

[geminidomino]

Probably just a slashdotting.

Re:503 smoking hole

[plunderscratch]

This is a better link, and is where the images in the linked article are being hot-linked from anyway ...

http://www.redmondpie.com/jailbreak-ios-5-iphone-ipad-ipod-touch-successful-tethered-only/

Only on iPod Touch 4gen

[vgerclover]

Keep in mind this only works on the iPod Touch 4th generation because of a hardware/firmware vulnerability that can't be feasible patched. iPad2 can't be jailbrocken yet.

Re:Only on iPod Touch 4gen

[Anonymous Coward]

It will work on any device using the A4 processor. The iPad 2 uses an A5.

Wow Moron Alert

[Wovel]

ISSH is an App store app...(Yes I did RTFA and look at the pics)

Please stop posting summaries from uninformed idiots.

Re:Wow Moron Alert

[interkin3tic]

Yes, but in those screenshots, it's right next to Cydia (the app store alternative) which is definitely not.

Re:Wow Moron Alert

[Wovel]

I never claimed the article was wrong, only that the summary was written by an uniformed idiot.

Re:Wow Moron Alert

[interkin3tic]

But the summary DOES mention that Cydia was working on the phone. It sounds like he installed iSSH using Cydia (I have no idea if iSSH is available through Cydia or just the app store) and that was the proof that it was working properly.

If he had installed an app available only through Cydia and not itunes, I don't know why that would be more convincing. Maybe for some reason iSSH was the only one that worked on iOS5?

Re:Wow Moron Alert

[Wovel]

TFA does not mention iSsh coming from Cydia. They do show tethering app in Cydia. Real issue is the posting of summaries written by uninformed idiots.

iSSH is not for jailbreaks

[MadChicken]

iSSH is just* a SSH client, available from the App Store. Installing it means nothing. TFA should have referred to installing OpenSSH server and connecting to it through [something like] iSSH.

*by just, I don't discount the amazing featureset of the program, including tunneling, VNC and X11. It's a "must have" app.

Re:iSSH is not for jailbreaks

[interkin3tic]

He did install Cydia too, from those screenshots.

Re:iSSH is not for jailbreaks

[jeremyp]

The article description is a fail. One of the screen shots shows an iSSH session logged into what appears to be his iPod touch.

Jailbreak for iSSH?

[theJML]

Wow, I GOTTA jailbreak mine so I can get iSSH! oh, wait, that's right, I've got TouchTerm which looks quite a bit better.

And yes, I know there are other reasons to Jailbreak, but none have really been a big deal to me. Notifications and lock screen info are the only two reasons that persuade me enough to do it and well, they're part of iOS5. So, nothing to see here, moving along.

Re:Jailbreak for iSSH?

[pandrijeczko]

I want you to take a deep breath, close your eyes and think of an image of two cute little Golden Retriever puppies peeping out of a pair of bedroom slippers.

There... feel a bit calmer now?

Why does anyone care?

[Anonymous Coward]

Why are people even bothering to jailbreak a device that is bent on limiting them? At one point the iPhone provided value over other similar devices but now you can get a largely open platform with equivalent or better hardware and a great software library easily.

Re:Why does anyone care?

[RMingin]

Same reason we root (jailbreak) our Android devices. Nobody except Google (who stopped selling their handset) sold a handset that you could truly control without jailbreaking/rooting/etc.

Re:Why does anyone care?

[h4rr4r]

Motorola Droid.
I never rooted it, I just flashed an OS that already had root.
Also the Nexus line of phones is still being sold, so not sure what you mean about google not selling phones.

Re:Why does anyone care?

[RMingin]

Flashing a custom ROM with root access *is* rooting.

Re:Why does anyone care?

[h4rr4r]

No, the difference is that rather than exploiting a security bug I got an OS with su built in.

Jailbreaking and "rooting" normally refer to things like rageagainstthecage which in that case uses a udev exploit that any app could attack.

Re:Why does anyone care?

[RMingin]

And I built a custom IPSW for my iPad with the changes pre-applied, and restored that. Same difference.

Re:Why does anyone care?

[h4rr4r]

Since you do not have the source and could not therefore patch the vulnerabilities no it is not that same at all.

iOS5 is out?

[indecks]

nt

It blows my mind

[d3ac0n]

That people would put up with having to jump through so many hoops just to have a jailbroken iPhone.

Don't get me wrong; I like Apple products. But Apple seems to go to such lengths to prevent the end user from using the phone in the way they want it just boggles my mind that so many supposed geeks here on /. still want to be part of that experience.

Personally I'm on WebOS. While it's a miniscule platform compared to iOS, "jailbreaking" it isn't even necessary. Just punch in the konami code and you are in developer mode, instantly enabling the ability to load up thousands of homebrew apps, themes, patches and mods.

Even my non-techie father had it figured out in minutes once I showed him how. I can't imagine trying to explain having to tether your phone JUST TO BOOT IT after jailbreaking.

I guess I'm spoiled.

Re:It blows my mind

[Anonymous Coward]

you really don't need to jump through that many hoops, only a couple guys who are interested and capable need to find an exploit. the rest of us download an application and press a button or two. and Apple doesn't really actively attempt to thwart their efforts, they just fix the exploits because they are exploits that anyone (with good intentions or not) can use. take a look at Sony: that's a company that fights back.

Re:It blows my mind

[BitZtream]

I can run anything I want on my iPhone without all this silly jailbreaking BS, though it does require a yearly $99 tax for the privledge, the experience is far enough above and beyond all other devices that the $99/year compared to the $1500/year or so for cell service it doesn't seem to be nearly as big a deal as it sounds at first.

If you want a cheap hackable phone, the iPhone clearly isn't it, but its fairly easy to run anything you want as a techie, which, lets face it, pretty much the only people who care about jailbreaking are techies.

Re:It blows my mind

[TheRaven64]

the $1500/year or so for cell service

Seriously? Wow.

Re:It blows my mind

[h4rr4r]

$99 a year to lease the rights to use your own device is not a big deal?
Please mail me $100 a year to drive your car over 55mph.

Re:It blows my mind

[ObiWanKenblowme]

If you start providing free maintenance and updates to my car - regardless of whether I pay you the $99/yr - then I'll consider it.

PS - Car analogies fail.

Re:It blows my mind

[h4rr4r]

Either way this $99 to rent the right to use your device is a sick system. We really needs laws against this sort of thing.

Re:It blows my mind

[jrroche]

I can run anything I want on my iPhone without all this silly jailbreaking BS, though it does require a yearly $99 tax for the privledge, the experience is far enough above and beyond all other devices that the $99/year compared to the $1500/year or so for cell service it doesn't seem to be nearly as big a deal as it sounds at first.

Where can you pay a $99/yr fee to Apple to get them to legitimately allow jailbroken features? And where can you pay $99/yr to avoid paying $1500/yr for cell service? What are you even talking about?

Re:It blows my mind

[Anonymous Coward]

Either way this $99 to rent the right to use your device is a sick system. We really needs laws against this sort of thing.

Is there a crime here? Can you actually explain what is "sick" about this, and how we can clearly discriminate between this "sickness" and the "healthy" system you'd prefer?

For bonus points, explain how under your regime real people, who want to make a living, could actually run a phone company.

Re:It blows my mind

[lpp]

He's referring the Apple Developer program. For $99/yr you get access to their provisioning portal where you can grab a certificate and provisioning profile that allows you to develop for the iPhone. There are a LOT of things you can do with your iPhone apps, on an iPhone, that would never see the light of day in the app store, but can still be performed in an iPhone app on a non-jailbroken iPhone.

Of course, that also means that to take advantage of any such apps, you would need the source code in order to be able to get it signed and installed on your iPhone. Not so big a deal for open source software. More of an issue for some closed source app normally installed only on jailbroken iPhones.

Re:It blows my mind

[h4rr4r]

Ownership of a good would come with control of it in a healthy system. This current iphone method has all the failings of leasing/renting, lack of full control and recurring payments for full usability, with none of the advantages like replacement in case of damage.

I fail to see how this would hurt anyone who runs a phone company. HTC seems to be doing just fine, same with carriers. This seems to just be about keeping control of hardware in the hands of those blessed by apple.

Re:It blows my mind

[WatertonMan]

So you want leasing and renting equipment made illegal?

Re:It blows my mind

[h4rr4r]

No, just the law to recognize that this is leasing or renting and if not sold that way then it is fraud.

Re:It blows my mind

[Kielistic]

I'm fairly certain they only want to make leasing a system they claim to be selling illegal. It is slightly false advertising after all.

Re:It blows my mind

[MobileTatsu-NJG]

Don't get me wrong; I like Apple products. But Apple seems to go to such lengths to prevent the end user from using the phone in the way they want it just boggles my mind that so many supposed geeks here on /. still want to be part of that experience.

Have you seen the articles about Android and opening up permissions for apps? Heh.

Re:It blows my mind

[Kalriath]

You don't need the code, just an unsigned binary blob which you can run codesign on.

Re:It blows my mind

[Rich0]

Uh, you'll have to keep paying that $99/yr long after updates are no longer available for your phone, and you don't get free maintenance of any kind with that - just updates.

iOS 5 Released?

[darkshot117]

Anyone else totally confused by this article, first they say, iOS 5 was released yesterday, then a few paragraphs down they say iOS 5 is only available in beta to developers right now. Nice job getting the facts straight. Made me go try to update my phone only to discover its not actually released.

Tethered != Jailbroken

[BitZtream]

I'm sorry, but a jailbroken device can fucking reboot without being plugged in. If it needs to be plugged in, its just a crappy hack, not a completed jailbreak.

The only people who think that this tethered shit is a jailbreak are the hax0rs who didn't finish the job.

Re:Tethered != Jailbroken

[ifrag]

Oh good, thank god you're here to enlighten us as to where the line is drawn on jailbreaks. We might have all been confused and thought it was actually completed.

On a different note, how often do people actually reboot their phones other than when installing an OS update? I'm thinking probably never.

Re:Tethered != Jailbroken

[Anonymous Coward]

No, it can reboot, it's just not jailbroken any more after it reboots, so all of your jailbreak apps will just immediately crash, as well as Safari, for some reason.

You really don't need to reboot your phone that often, and unless you're hooking into/replacing Springboard or other system stuff then you're fine even if you do have an unscheduled reboot.

Re:Tethered != Jailbroken

[Unequivocal]

I don't have an iPhone, but what happens when it runs out of batteries? My android reboots when I plug it back in.

Re:Tethered != Jailbroken

[ifrag]

I don't have an iPhone, but what happens when it runs out of batteries?

Before the battery is totally gone it goes into some low power mode where the phone cannot actually be used until charged. Pressing the button to wake it just shows some red battery thing on screen.

Re:Tethered != Jailbroken

[babywhiz]

I reboot my phone every 3 days.....idk what is on it that eats up avail memory, but even killing processes doesn't help. Battery is drained after watching Netflix after a couple of hrs....it stopped hooking up to the wireless.....it pops up telling me invalid voicemail password even tho I have never entered a voicemail pw....apps will just close automatically without warning or touching....used to be able to just respring, but now it takes a full reboot to get it all working again.....(yes, I am still on 4.2)

Why bother?

[Anonymous Coward]

Why bother with this? I mean, doesn't everyone now know that apple lock down their phones, so why bother getting the latest and greatest? Why not just buy an Android phone with similar hardware specs?

What's the reason for spending so much time on this? Is it just curiosity or "because it is there"? I don't get it...

Masturbation is always nice too

[Anonymous Coward]

Same thing really.

Why tell anyone?

[JinjaontheNile]

Surely if they have broken a beta version, they would be better to wait until a few weeks after the production version is released and thus maximise it's usefulness .
Telling everyone also tells Apple where the weakness lies and beta is relatively easy to fix

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[formation]

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iOS 5 is out??

[Anonymous Coward]

Apple.com says it's coming in the Fall:

http://www.apple.com/ios/ios5/