Citation needed, because my roommate says no they weren't paid. He also says your roommate was paid to do a cheap smear job on people who legitimately were upset about climate change and polluting the water of an Indian reservation. He is currently fighting your roommate and your roommate is crying and pissing his pants and is sincerely sorry he was such a douchebag. However both our roommates know your roommate is still a douchebag and will probably go right back to spreading misinformation for the right wing.
Not "weird" just "annoying and arbitrary just like the rest of the security theater." There's no threat, the rules do nothing. The only logic here is "We made the rubes believe Islamic terrorists were coming after them. In exchange for the power they granted us to fight the bogeyman, we must pretend we are fighting Islamic terrorists."
TSA won't do anything because they're not laptops and the ban is on laptops and tablets. There may be some idiot journalist who thinks he has a big scoop when he realizes you can take laptop batteries on the plane, defeating the non-existent security, and maybe TSA will ban them too out of embarrassment. But that's a few steps after the ban.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised that Inforwars and other cult spokesmen would come up with lies about the high school kid. I mean, Obama did say something nice about him and he wasn't a white middle aged dude, so naturally, you fucks would convince yourself he had murdered people for islam.
To their credit, Gamestop has been doing this far worse for the past decade at least.
me: Hi, I'd like this game that came out last week - gamestop: Madden? Did you pre-order it? me: no, it's- gamestop: we don't have it but we do have plenty of PS one games me: Those are twenty years old... gamestop: That's why they're only $20! Me: w- gamestop: You want the extended warranty on that. What do you have to trade in for it? We give a dollar per 360 game.
They're not going great today, sure, but when radioshack was going that route, gamestop was inexplicably doing okay.
That is not how you "fight poverty." Nearly all the millennials buying houses have rich parents. If you're in a financial position to help your kids buy houses today, your kids cannot in any meaningful sense be considered to be at risk of poverty (unless they have mental illness).
How you fight poverty at a societal level is... actually fuck it, we all know the country is going to run as fast as it can in the exact opposite of the direction of that for the next few years, no point in actual solutions.
How you fight poverty is "1. Don't be poor 2. Have a lot of money 3. Don't get sick."
Why should the wealthy have to give up their money for others to not work?
Morally? Because the wealthy invariably did one of two things 1. Used state resources disproportionately to gain their wealth or, far far more often 2. Inherited it from their parents who disproportionately used state resources to gain their wealth.
They should give up some of their money because most of them simply won the birth lottery and most of the rest found a way to cheat, which don't strike most of us as good reasons to be able to have gold plated toilets while some kid in Detroit lacks running water.
Logistically, they should pay because we could easily find ways to make them pay, and society as a whole will be better off, including for the wealthy.
Jesus, man, you're really raving off on many tangents there. The "elites" of the DNC did what that is worse than screwing over the climate or trying to ban a religion?
No one that I can see is saying "just trust us we know what we're doing" if one's attention span is longer than a 2 year old. HRC talked as long as anyone was willing to listen to her, but the news was too busy covering the latest insult to a a minority group from the asshole of Trump. Climate change scientists publish hundreds of online articles a year detailing everything, but all conservatives are looking for is out of context quotes. It's like when Pelosi pointed out the GOP was spewing so many lies about Obamacare that America would never understand it until after it was passed. Predictably, the right wing told people she meant it was secret. She was right. Ten seconds of reading on Obamacare at any time would have revealed to most GOP voters Obamacare would be good for them, but the uneducated GOP voters don't have that capacity until it's about to be taken away and their health care bills are about to skyrocket up.
What does Obama's lifestyle have to do with anything?
The color of their skin matters because they're attacking every other color of skin. They have no common sense which is why they voted for their own healthcare to be repealed.
You do effectively prove that education is not the end all be all. I'm sure you have some education, yet
There are numbers on this subject. We really don't need to guess or say "Well it goes both ways cause I know some people on both sides" or "we don't really know do we?" Because we do: conservatives tend to have less education while liberals tend to have more. Not an absolute, sure, but there's clear bias.
The urban government useful vs rural government bad thing is one factor probably, but there's definitely an element of tribalism going on in the GOP today that causes some uneducated rural whites to vote for Trump. And the GOP has definitely undergone a brain drain where all they stand for is saying "no" to anything besides tax cuts.
I feel like this sentiment doesn't apply when malice has been proven repeatedly OR when the stakes are this high.
The GOP has repeatedly demonstrated aggression to a majority of the country. One of the GOP tactics to pacify the majority of people who will be hurt by these policies is to play dumb.
Viruses aren't actually "everywhere." Sterility is actually pretty easy if human hands and bodily fluids aren't involved, as they wouldn't be here. So there would be no viruses or bacteria.
Likewise, the DNA isn't going to be spraying everywhere any more than computing using a hard drive involves platters and magnets flying all around the air.
Viruses and bacteria evolve because they're much more than nucleotides, and because they duplicate their own nucleotides with some degree of error. DNA by itself is inert and does nothing aside from fall apart at extremely long timescales. It's not going to be replicating itself and introducing errors.
"However unlikely, is it possible" is in fact not a valid question in this case since likelihood does in fact matter. "However unlikely, is it possible that a hard drive with an encyclopedia on it could achieve sentience?" If you can say "no" to the question, then you can say "no" to your question. If you have to say yes to the hard drive question, then realize there's little use to pondering extremely unlikely hypothetical situations. Finally, if you're worried about viruses, be worried about non-fictional ones. Ebola is real and is out there already. You have billions of cells WITH proteins and DNA. The possibility that a world-ending virus is going to form inside you is far more likely than one being kicked out without any proteins by MS.
The flu virus hijacks your body's cells to reproduce pretty much the same way. Surely you've heard of the flu virus.
Citation needed. Yes influenza has DNA, but it also has an envelope in order to get into the cells. DNA just floating around in the air isn't going to get into a cell. DNA floating around in your bloodstream even is going to get shredded by your immune system. So please, prove to me that naked DNA outside of cells can cause viruses inside the cells.
The suggestion that there should be a biosafety level 5, higher than an intact ebola virus, for DNA by itself is patently absurd.
I'm not sure what prions have to do with anything either. This is not going to be biochemical reactions with transcription, translation, chaperones, and proteins. Proteins are not going to be generated.
The company working with MS, Twist biosciences, make DNA on silicone dots.. Not using living cells with translation machinery. It sounds like there's no proteins involved in the synthesis or the "writing" of data.
Reading the data will most likely be through nanopore technology. Again, no translation, generation of proteins, or any other biological process going on there.
So tell me, where the hell is a prion or any other protein going to be generated in that process?
Finally, I'm not convinced it's a mathematical certainty that the sequences for any pathogen WOULD be generated. They're extremely long sequences. If there were legitimate concerns that viruses could spontaneously generate from protein-free, sterile DNA, and if MS were unable to keep themselves from injecting their data into their veins and if there are viruses whose DNA can magically worm their way into human cells, it's entirely possible for MS to automatically scan for DNA being written that happens to be similar to a pathogen's genome and disrupt it. Say "only write that half in this block, put a spacer with a bunch of stop codons, then put the other half somewhere else.
Again, you're describing something that is less likely than a regular hard drive achieving sentience and going skynet.
Nucleases are everywhere, but you wouldn't be rubbing data DNA on your shoe prior to working with it. They're not going to "evolve" to counter anti-nuclease activity because the DNA is going to be kept away from the bacteria with the nucleases.
There's no biosafety level 5, it only goes up to four.
More importantly, no to the rest of it.These are not going to be living things, they're going to be dried nucleotides on paper most likely. There is going to be no transcription or translation and creation of proteins. First of all that's much more difficult and doesn't happen on its own. Second that would defeat the point of data storage. Having the DNA doing stuff would cause its degradation and loss.
It's like saying "don't download that encyclopedia on that external hard drive! It might achieve sentience!" Nothing is happening to the data either way, and in both cases, making "life" would be impossible.
Life requires a lot more than DNA. There are some plant viruses IIRC that can reproduce simply by injecting their DNA or RNA sequence into plant cells. But I didn't hear about any such human viruses. Viruses require protein machinery to take over the cell in addition to their DNA. You synthesize the smallpox genome and inject it into your veins, you're not going to develop smallpox.
... I mean, I wouldn't try that myself, but my fears over doing that are purely illogical.
The smallpox genome is also a 186 kilobase sequence. It's not something that's sure to show up with much frequency even if all the DNA in MS's storage were to get into your cells. If anyone knows a way of calculating how much DNA you'd need to synthesize at random before you came up with those specific 186000 nucleotides, I'd be very interested, but I'm guessing it's a lot.
Finally, synthesizing nucleotides is old hat. The scale and cost is the new thing here. You want to synthesize a smallpox genome? You can do that already. There aren't even any laws against it yet! It's going to cost you a lot and again, DNA itself wouldn't do shit besides freak people out, but you can. It'd be much easier just to find smallpox itself. But either way, there's nothing completely new here besides it's now cheap and fast enough to consider doing for data storage.
Huh? It's the socialists that are fighting to deregulate drugs and take control of drugs from the medical cartel.... It's the doctors in the US that proscribe the strongest and most expensive antibiotics that are creating the problem because they love profit more than humanity.
I'm honestly confused. Are you arguing socialists are the problem here or capitalism among doctors is?
Considering what Erdogan's guards did to peaceful protestors during the recent white house visit, and considering Trump appears to have said nothing about it, I'm a little worried anyway. I mean, Trump studies fellow democratically elected popular presidents from other countries very well...
But as an excuse, relevant industries definitely would argue "it'll solve itself" or close enough. Big agriculture lobbyists are likely arguing that to republican lawmakers right now, saying "look, we've 'voluntarily' reduced our use of the emergency antibiotics, so we don't really need to go *chuckle* 'organic' right? We'll take steps to reduce it on our own while saving jobs in your district, hint hint."
The claim doctors make is similar: "People are demanding antibiotics less, we just need to educate the people (who are ignorant and stubborn enough to still be demanding antibiotics for every cough and thus are never going to listen). If I tell them no, they'll just go to someone who will say yes! It's hard being a doctor!" Somehow that's the justification I get when I say "Hey, how about we put doctors in jail for prescribing antibiotics without a lab test showing it's bacterial?"
So yes, I think it's worth pointing out that the free market will never solve any problem more complex than "Which of these apples are cheaper?" because people ARE that ignorant, and selfish interested parties DO suggest the problem will solve itself.
There's a point to be made here. The dark ages bit is hyperbole, the vast majority of what goes into you being healthy is prevention, sanitation, gloves, and not throwing your feces into the street.
A lot of people these days seem okay with returning to the dark ages in terms of science and learning vs religion anyway. And they don't seem very sympathetic to sick people either. Maybe instead remind them that before antibiotics, soldiers died of infections nearly as often as they did of battle. Right wingers still care about soldiers right? At least in terms of their health BEFORE they fight?
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Citation needed, because my roommate says no they weren't paid. He also says your roommate was paid to do a cheap smear job on people who legitimately were upset about climate change and polluting the water of an Indian reservation. He is currently fighting your roommate and your roommate is crying and pissing his pants and is sincerely sorry he was such a douchebag. However both our roommates know your roommate is still a douchebag and will probably go right back to spreading misinformation for the right wing.
Source: my other roommate says so.
Not "weird" just "annoying and arbitrary just like the rest of the security theater." There's no threat, the rules do nothing. The only logic here is "We made the rubes believe Islamic terrorists were coming after them. In exchange for the power they granted us to fight the bogeyman, we must pretend we are fighting Islamic terrorists."
TSA won't do anything because they're not laptops and the ban is on laptops and tablets. There may be some idiot journalist who thinks he has a big scoop when he realizes you can take laptop batteries on the plane, defeating the non-existent security, and maybe TSA will ban them too out of embarrassment. But that's a few steps after the ban.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised that Inforwars and other cult spokesmen would come up with lies about the high school kid. I mean, Obama did say something nice about him and he wasn't a white middle aged dude, so naturally, you fucks would convince yourself he had murdered people for islam.
I wonder if this could get past the laptop ban? Maybe like a google cardboard for the display, a USB keyboard, pi, battery?
Actually, I guess you wouldn't need the pi really, could just use bluetooth keyboard and mouse.
Actually I might rather just not fly back to the US again if I ever leave.
To their credit, Gamestop has been doing this far worse for the past decade at least.
me: Hi, I'd like this game that came out last week -
gamestop: Madden? Did you pre-order it?
me: no, it's-
gamestop: we don't have it but we do have plenty of PS one games
me: Those are twenty years old...
gamestop: That's why they're only $20!
Me: w-
gamestop: You want the extended warranty on that. What do you have to trade in for it? We give a dollar per 360 game.
They're not going great today, sure, but when radioshack was going that route, gamestop was inexplicably doing okay.
That is not how you "fight poverty." Nearly all the millennials buying houses have rich parents. If you're in a financial position to help your kids buy houses today, your kids cannot in any meaningful sense be considered to be at risk of poverty (unless they have mental illness).
How you fight poverty at a societal level is... actually fuck it, we all know the country is going to run as fast as it can in the exact opposite of the direction of that for the next few years, no point in actual solutions.
How you fight poverty is "1. Don't be poor 2. Have a lot of money 3. Don't get sick."
Why should the wealthy have to give up their money for others to not work?
Morally? Because the wealthy invariably did one of two things 1. Used state resources disproportionately to gain their wealth or, far far more often 2. Inherited it from their parents who disproportionately used state resources to gain their wealth.
They should give up some of their money because most of them simply won the birth lottery and most of the rest found a way to cheat, which don't strike most of us as good reasons to be able to have gold plated toilets while some kid in Detroit lacks running water.
Logistically, they should pay because we could easily find ways to make them pay, and society as a whole will be better off, including for the wealthy.
Jesus, man, you're really raving off on many tangents there. The "elites" of the DNC did what that is worse than screwing over the climate or trying to ban a religion?
No one that I can see is saying "just trust us we know what we're doing" if one's attention span is longer than a 2 year old. HRC talked as long as anyone was willing to listen to her, but the news was too busy covering the latest insult to a a minority group from the asshole of Trump. Climate change scientists publish hundreds of online articles a year detailing everything, but all conservatives are looking for is out of context quotes. It's like when Pelosi pointed out the GOP was spewing so many lies about Obamacare that America would never understand it until after it was passed. Predictably, the right wing told people she meant it was secret. She was right. Ten seconds of reading on Obamacare at any time would have revealed to most GOP voters Obamacare would be good for them, but the uneducated GOP voters don't have that capacity until it's about to be taken away and their health care bills are about to skyrocket up.
What does Obama's lifestyle have to do with anything?
The color of their skin matters because they're attacking every other color of skin. They have no common sense which is why they voted for their own healthcare to be repealed.
You do effectively prove that education is not the end all be all. I'm sure you have some education, yet
There are numbers on this subject. We really don't need to guess or say "Well it goes both ways cause I know some people on both sides" or "we don't really know do we?" Because we do: conservatives tend to have less education while liberals tend to have more. Not an absolute, sure, but there's clear bias.
The urban government useful vs rural government bad thing is one factor probably, but there's definitely an element of tribalism going on in the GOP today that causes some uneducated rural whites to vote for Trump. And the GOP has definitely undergone a brain drain where all they stand for is saying "no" to anything besides tax cuts.
AC is being sarcastic. For the willfully ignorant/forgetful out there
You're
still
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safe.
I feel like this sentiment doesn't apply when malice has been proven repeatedly OR when the stakes are this high.
The GOP has repeatedly demonstrated aggression to a majority of the country. One of the GOP tactics to pacify the majority of people who will be hurt by these policies is to play dumb.
Viruses aren't actually "everywhere." Sterility is actually pretty easy if human hands and bodily fluids aren't involved, as they wouldn't be here. So there would be no viruses or bacteria.
Likewise, the DNA isn't going to be spraying everywhere any more than computing using a hard drive involves platters and magnets flying all around the air.
Viruses and bacteria evolve because they're much more than nucleotides, and because they duplicate their own nucleotides with some degree of error. DNA by itself is inert and does nothing aside from fall apart at extremely long timescales. It's not going to be replicating itself and introducing errors.
"However unlikely, is it possible" is in fact not a valid question in this case since likelihood does in fact matter. "However unlikely, is it possible that a hard drive with an encyclopedia on it could achieve sentience?" If you can say "no" to the question, then you can say "no" to your question. If you have to say yes to the hard drive question, then realize there's little use to pondering extremely unlikely hypothetical situations. Finally, if you're worried about viruses, be worried about non-fictional ones. Ebola is real and is out there already. You have billions of cells WITH proteins and DNA. The possibility that a world-ending virus is going to form inside you is far more likely than one being kicked out without any proteins by MS.
Yes, lets fight fairly, as we're aware the other side has not and will not. Surely we will preserve our freedoms that way. ~/s
The flu virus hijacks your body's cells to reproduce pretty much the same way. Surely you've heard of the flu virus.
Citation needed. Yes influenza has DNA, but it also has an envelope in order to get into the cells. DNA just floating around in the air isn't going to get into a cell. DNA floating around in your bloodstream even is going to get shredded by your immune system. So please, prove to me that naked DNA outside of cells can cause viruses inside the cells.
The suggestion that there should be a biosafety level 5, higher than an intact ebola virus, for DNA by itself is patently absurd.
I'm not sure what prions have to do with anything either. This is not going to be biochemical reactions with transcription, translation, chaperones, and proteins. Proteins are not going to be generated.
The company working with MS, Twist biosciences, make DNA on silicone dots.. Not using living cells with translation machinery. It sounds like there's no proteins involved in the synthesis or the "writing" of data.
Reading the data will most likely be through nanopore technology. Again, no translation, generation of proteins, or any other biological process going on there.
So tell me, where the hell is a prion or any other protein going to be generated in that process?
Finally, I'm not convinced it's a mathematical certainty that the sequences for any pathogen WOULD be generated. They're extremely long sequences. If there were legitimate concerns that viruses could spontaneously generate from protein-free, sterile DNA, and if MS were unable to keep themselves from injecting their data into their veins and if there are viruses whose DNA can magically worm their way into human cells, it's entirely possible for MS to automatically scan for DNA being written that happens to be similar to a pathogen's genome and disrupt it. Say "only write that half in this block, put a spacer with a bunch of stop codons, then put the other half somewhere else.
Again, you're describing something that is less likely than a regular hard drive achieving sentience and going skynet.
Engineers have fixed those issues by such technology as "not sneezing into your test tubes" and "freezers" and "not storing DNA in sunlight."
If your DNA is out in the open collecting dust and microbes, you're asking for it to be contaminated. DNA is more than stable enough to work on without using so much as gloves. Consider that Lincoln's DNA from when he was assassinated is still readable despite having been stored at room temperature for over a century in non-sterile conditions. RNA? Sure, that would get shredded pretty rapidly. DNA though is extremely robust. The people at microsoft and twist biosciences aren't stupid.
Nucleases are everywhere, but you wouldn't be rubbing data DNA on your shoe prior to working with it. They're not going to "evolve" to counter anti-nuclease activity because the DNA is going to be kept away from the bacteria with the nucleases.
There's no biosafety level 5, it only goes up to four.
... I mean, I wouldn't try that myself, but my fears over doing that are purely illogical.
More importantly, no to the rest of it.These are not going to be living things, they're going to be dried nucleotides on paper most likely. There is going to be no transcription or translation and creation of proteins. First of all that's much more difficult and doesn't happen on its own. Second that would defeat the point of data storage. Having the DNA doing stuff would cause its degradation and loss.
It's like saying "don't download that encyclopedia on that external hard drive! It might achieve sentience!" Nothing is happening to the data either way, and in both cases, making "life" would be impossible.
Life requires a lot more than DNA. There are some plant viruses IIRC that can reproduce simply by injecting their DNA or RNA sequence into plant cells. But I didn't hear about any such human viruses. Viruses require protein machinery to take over the cell in addition to their DNA. You synthesize the smallpox genome and inject it into your veins, you're not going to develop smallpox.
The smallpox genome is also a 186 kilobase sequence. It's not something that's sure to show up with much frequency even if all the DNA in MS's storage were to get into your cells. If anyone knows a way of calculating how much DNA you'd need to synthesize at random before you came up with those specific 186000 nucleotides, I'd be very interested, but I'm guessing it's a lot.
Finally, synthesizing nucleotides is old hat. The scale and cost is the new thing here. You want to synthesize a smallpox genome? You can do that already. There aren't even any laws against it yet! It's going to cost you a lot and again, DNA itself wouldn't do shit besides freak people out, but you can. It'd be much easier just to find smallpox itself. But either way, there's nothing completely new here besides it's now cheap and fast enough to consider doing for data storage.
Quit getting spooked by biology.
"You're." And given your tendency to describe yourself when criticizing others, why do you consider yourself a liar?
Huh? It's the socialists that are fighting to deregulate drugs and take control of drugs from the medical cartel.... It's the doctors in the US that proscribe the strongest and most expensive antibiotics that are creating the problem because they love profit more than humanity.
I'm honestly confused. Are you arguing socialists are the problem here or capitalism among doctors is?
You're really whining about Obama's pension?
Considering what Erdogan's guards did to peaceful protestors during the recent white house visit, and considering Trump appears to have said nothing about it, I'm a little worried anyway. I mean, Trump studies fellow democratically elected popular presidents from other countries very well...
I didn't say "death to" anyone. At most I said "Sickness to all current US presidents!" That's not really an "ism" of any type.
You're trying so very hard to be offended while simultaneously accusing leftists of being too sensitive.
As I said, when right wingers criticize the left, they describe themselves.
You don't have a sense of humor anymore? People aren't supposed to be able to laugh?
As usual, when right wingers criticize the left, they describe themselves.
Right winger vs black lives matter
Trump voter vs man of Indian descent.
Effects of Christians insisting Muslims are dangerous
It does indeed sound like at least some libertarians argue antibiotics are the only medicine government should regulate.
But as an excuse, relevant industries definitely would argue "it'll solve itself" or close enough. Big agriculture lobbyists are likely arguing that to republican lawmakers right now, saying "look, we've 'voluntarily' reduced our use of the emergency antibiotics, so we don't really need to go *chuckle* 'organic' right? We'll take steps to reduce it on our own while saving jobs in your district, hint hint."
The claim doctors make is similar: "People are demanding antibiotics less, we just need to educate the people (who are ignorant and stubborn enough to still be demanding antibiotics for every cough and thus are never going to listen). If I tell them no, they'll just go to someone who will say yes! It's hard being a doctor!" Somehow that's the justification I get when I say "Hey, how about we put doctors in jail for prescribing antibiotics without a lab test showing it's bacterial?"
So yes, I think it's worth pointing out that the free market will never solve any problem more complex than "Which of these apples are cheaper?" because people ARE that ignorant, and selfish interested parties DO suggest the problem will solve itself.
We could take a huge chunk of the threat out by intelligently regulating antibiotic use in farm animals. But I've been accused of being an evil socialist elitist bent on destroying all american jobs. Why do I hate jobs and love big government so much? Why can't I just accept that jobs heal all sickness, we don't need laws, just jobs jobs jobs jobs?
There's a point to be made here. The dark ages bit is hyperbole, the vast majority of what goes into you being healthy is prevention, sanitation, gloves, and not throwing your feces into the street.
A lot of people these days seem okay with returning to the dark ages in terms of science and learning vs religion anyway. And they don't seem very sympathetic to sick people either. Maybe instead remind them that before antibiotics, soldiers died of infections nearly as often as they did of battle. Right wingers still care about soldiers right? At least in terms of their health BEFORE they fight?